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We, the Myn of NS, hereby declare that...

...oooh, nevermind.

*looks around*

she's not here yet....

Shouldn't that havy byyn

ooooh nyvyrmynd?

Santa Barbara, you are a visionary.

:)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8444685&postcount=213

I guess so, but we myn are just lazier than dames, methinks.

*bakes cookies and makes herself look pretty for the myn*

*bakes cookies and makes herself look pretty for the myn*

Great! Our first babe-o-rama!!

*runs to put down toilet seat*

We, the Myn of NS, hereby declare that...

...oooh, nevermind.
What the?

*bakes cookies and makes herself look pretty for the myn*
cheers doll, now get back in the kitchen and make me some pie :D


(hehe somebody had to say it :p )

cheers doll, now get back in the kitchen and make me some pie :D


(hehe somebody had to say it :p )
sure thing sweetheart *kisses him on the cheek* you just put your feet up, dinner will be ready in an hour

Great! Our first babe-o-rama!!

*runs to put down toilet seat*

You are already giving in, weakling.

It is male apologists like you who are giving myn a bad name.

You are already giving in, weakling.

It is male apologists like you who are giving myn a bad name.

My bad.

*runs to toilet, tinkles and sprinkles all over the seat*

Take THAT, wench!

What the?

You miss all of the good stuff, Sinuhue.

this party needs more hos n bitches

Dude, I think HerPower is gone. It's a shame, I never tire of making fun of trolls.

this party needs more hos n bitches

You got that right...

*wears mothers panties*

Hiya darling..

My bad.

*runs to toilet, tinkles and sprinkles all over the seat*

Take THAT, wench!
that's ok, i guess it just wasn't as long as you thought, nevermind eh


*cleans toilet and leaves seat up*

"Ah well, same time tomorrow lads"

"Same time tomorrow"

You got that right...

*wears mothers panties*

Hiya darling..

Good thing Branin isn't here, he would never stop *shuddering*.

It's a bit tight.. but I'm alright.

You got that right...

*wears mothers panties*

Hiya darling..
hey sexy

You are already giving in, weakling.

It is male apologists like you who are giving myn a bad name.My bad.

*runs to toilet, tinkles and sprinkles all over the seat*

Take THAT, wench!
rolflmao... best. post. ever :p

Only on NS could a parody of a Matriarchal discussion turn into a thread of cross-dressers in less than twenty posts.

i agree, down with women! oppress them!

oh wait

that kinda leaves me a bit fucked in later life...

;)

You miss all of the good stuff, Sinuhue.
Apparently...it looks like she'd already cut and run by the time I got here. *flexes claws*...I can't wait to sink my teeth into her 'arguments'.

i agree, down with women! oppress them!

oh wait

that kinda leaves me a bit fucked in later life...

;)

...or not f***ed at all.

We, the Myn of NS, hereby declare that...

...oooh, nevermind.
I am not going to fall into your pathetic trap. You already have your patriarchy. Go ahead and ridicule my ideas. Deep down you know we need a change. And men needs no spelling change. We don't call you malewomyn. You already have the majority of the language at your beck and call.

Dude, you crack me up. Good work. I'm gonna start printing all the HerPower threads out at turning them into comedy books. This time next year, I'll be a millionaire.

I am not going to fall into your pathetic trap. You already have your patriarchy. Go ahead and ridicule my ideas. Deep down you know we need a change. And men needs no spelling change. We don't call you malewomyn. You already have the majority of the language at your beck and call.
Where were you when Jesussaves wrote a scathing rebuttal to your thread? It was entitled "It's time for Matrimony". I really wish you would have seen it before it was locked.

...or not f***ed at all.
youve confused me

Dude, you crack me up. Good work. I'm gonna start printing all the HerPower threads out at turning them into comedy books. This time next year, I'll be a millionaire.
Don't denigrate me with your male names for your reproductive parts. I'm no dude. Laugh all you want. Go ahead and mock me as so many here feel they have to. My ideas have merit, but I guess you can't see beyond the threat to your power they pose to the greater good they would bring.

I am not going to fall into your pathetic trap. You already have your patriarchy. Go ahead and ridicule my ideas. Deep down you know we need a change. And men needs no spelling change. We don't call you malewomyn. You already have the majority of the language at your beck and call.
Yes! I knew if I kept peeking back in you'd be here...

So if you aren't going to fall 'into the trap', then why are you posting? You realise that we're just going to take you to task for your extreme ideas, don't you?

Don't denigrate me with your male names for your reproductive parts. I'm no dude. Laugh all you want. Go ahead and mock me as so many here feel they have to. My ideas have merit, but I guess you can't see beyond the threat to your power they pose to the greater good they would bring.

You are no better than them. You've also got me completely wrong. When you see reason, and agree that leadership should be based on ability, NOT sex, then I'll stop taking the piss out of you. I am not threatened by this, I honestly couldn't care less. All politicians are lying gits, regardless of sex, so I hate them all equally.

Don't denigrate me with your male names for your reproductive parts. I'm no dude. Laugh all you want. Go ahead and mock me as so many here feel they have to. My ideas have merit, but I guess you can't see beyond the threat to your power they pose to the greater good they would bring.
:D I was actually starting to think you might be serious until this....

Oh my sides hurt! *gasps and wheezes in laughter*

Yes! I knew if I kept peeking back in you'd be here...

So if you aren't going to fall 'into the trap', then why are you posting? You realise that we're just going to take you to task for your extreme ideas, don't you?

Now, now...all are welcome here.

There's plenty o' room in the kitchen for her...

You are no better than them. You've also got me completely wrong. When you see reason, and agree that leadership should be based on ability, NOT sex, then I'll stop taking the piss out of you. I am not threatened by this, I honestly couldn't care less. All politicians are lying gits, regardless of sex, so I hate them all equally.
Yes, leadership must be based on ability. But things are so skewed right now that only the men are judged to have that ability! A quota would fix that! Able womyn would be able to have a chance at the power they deserve, and it would not force men out! It would simply let them be represented to the percentage that they deserve. Why should it continue to be 80/30 representation in favor of men? What is wrong with a more even split?

Where were you when Jesussaves wrote a scathing rebuttal to your thread? It was entitled "It's time for Matrimony". I really wish you would have seen it before it was locked.
HerPower was here and not Jesussaves, then she went away and Jesussaves makes a parody thread, then goes away and shes back...that must mean that--

Jesussaves is Bruce Banner!!! Wait, I mean...


(I'm not really speculating on puppetry, I just wanted to make that joke)

:D I was actually starting to think you might be serious until this....

Oh my sides hurt! *gasps and wheezes in laughter*
Go ahead and join the club of those who simply laugh at my ideas instead of considering them. You support the patriarchy and the suppression of womyn just as they do.

Yes, leadership must be based on ability. But things are so skewed right now that only the men are judged to have that ability! A quota would fix that! Able womyn would be able to have a chance at the power they deserve, and it would not force men out! It would simply let them be represented to the percentage that they deserve. Why should it continue to be 80/30 representation in favor of men? What is wrong with a more even split?
positive discrimination is discrimination, discrimination is wrong.

therefore, positive discrimination is wrong.

HerPower was here and not Jesussaves, then she went away and Jesussaves makes a parody thread, then goes away and shes back...that must mean that--

Jesussaves is Bruce Banner!!! Wait, I mean...


(I'm not really speculating on puppetry, I just wanted to make that joke)
That was a little convenient, wasn't it. Wait...so Jesussaves is a puppet and HerPower is a puppet of the puppet? Who could keep that straight in their head? If it IS true...the puppet master is a genius and my new god...

Yes, leadership must be based on ability. But things are so skewed right now that only the men are judged to have that ability! A quota would fix that! Able womyn would be able to have a chance at the power they deserve, and it would not force men out! It would simply let them be represented to the percentage that they deserve. Why should it continue to be 80/30 representation in favor of men? What is wrong with a more even split?

Anyone else see something wrong with this statement? I made a few adjustments to make it easier to see.

True equality should have no quotas. At all. No further discussion needed.

Go ahead and join the club of those who simply laugh at my ideas instead of considering them. You support the patriarchy and the suppression of womyn just as they do.
Listen up. I'll say it once. I am a feminist. That means I'm for gender equity. Not male superiority, not female superiority. As I've said before, two wrongs won't make a right. The last thing I support is the suppression of women, (I just about spelled it womyn, cripes) but I do not want my sons (that I may have) growing up feeling inferior to women either. We need balance, not more unbalance.

Go ahead and join the club of those who simply laugh at my ideas instead of considering them. You support the patriarchy and the suppression of womyn just as they do.
Maybe it's just me, but I've never called my genitalia 'dude.' I think laughing at that idea isn't really supporting patriarchy as much as it is recognizing that it's funny as hell to think of dudes calling their members dude.

positive discrimination is discrimination, discrimination is wrong.

therefore, positive discrimination is wrong.
Faulty logic. it is not discrimination. it is making sure discrimination does not happen. What is discriminatory about making sure that womyn and men are represented evenly? Womyn are not a minority, so why are they represented that way in government?

You are no better than them. You've also got me completely wrong. When you see reason, and agree that leadership should be based on ability, NOT sex, then I'll stop taking the piss out of you. I am not threatened by this, I honestly couldn't care less. All politicians are lying gits, regardless of sex, so I hate them all equally.
if you hate all politicians, do you agree that there are those who don't need leadership, and having accepted their responsibility to themselves are truly free? as such i believe that argueing that one gender are more suited to leadership than the other proves a lack of initiative and that the person advocating such beliefs is under the yoke of their 'leaders'. a huge factor of peoples resentment of people in power is that they have let themselves be controlled, at one time or another.

Who is to say that even if you enforce a 50 50 split in politics that worthy candidates are going to be found? How would it work? Would you run men and women together, but only allow one gender to win? How would that be democratic? As well, you haven't dealt with the issue of how more women in politics (while something I support) is necessarily going to 'change everything for the better'.

That was a little convenient, wasn't it. Wait...so Jesussaves is a puppet and HerPower is a puppet of the puppet? Who could keep that straight in their head? If it IS true...the puppet master is a genius and my new god...
If they are indeed the same person you do have to admire the ability to completely commit. On a certain level that is some quality writing (if they are indeed puppets of the same author).

Faulty logic. it is not discrimination. it is making sure discrimination does not happen. What is discriminatory about making sure that womyn and men are represented evenly? Womyn are not a minority, so why are they represented that way in government?
forcing, say, a 50/50 even split is discrimination on the basis of gender

if there are 6 free jobs, 7 male applicants and 3 female applicants, then the 3 female ones would automatically be accepted, whereas the 7 male ones would have to go through a selection process...because theyre male

that is discrimination

the best person for the job regardless of gender, race, whatever should get the job.

if you hate all politicians, do you agree that there are those who don't need leadership, and having accepted their responsibility to themselves are truly free? as such i believe that argueing that one gender are more suited to leadership than the other proves a lack of initiative and that the person advocating such beliefs is under the yoke of their 'leaders'. a huge factor of peoples resentment of people in power is that they have let themselves be controlled, at one time or another.
I don't hate all politicans. I hate the patriarchal system which takes power away from womyn. If you try to have anarchy, men will again come to power using violence against womyn. We have to enforce equality. Clearly it will not just happen on its own, or it would have by now.

forcing, say, a 50/50 even split is discrimination on the basis of gender

if there are 6 free jobs, 7 male applicants and 3 female applicants, then the 3 female ones would automatically be accepted, whereas the 7 male ones would have to go through a selection process...because theyre male

that is discrimination

the best person for the job regardless of gender, race, whatever should get the job.
No it isnot! Womyn are half of the population! They should have half of the political positions! How is that unfair? How is that discrimination? There are two genders and everything should be shared farily among them!

If they are indeed the same person you do have to admire the ability to completely commit. On a certain level that is some quality writing (if they are indeed puppets of the same author).
I'd like to see them together...too bad that Jesussaves thread got locked. Now THAT would be twisted if they WERE the same person...how could you keep it straight? HerPower would be mispelling and quoting the bible, and Jesussaves would be saying womyn and man-hating... :D I think the puppet master would have a melt down...

Na...the styles just don't synch.

Faulty logic. it is not discrimination. it is making sure discrimination does not happen. What is discriminatory about making sure that womyn and men are represented evenly? Womyn are not a minority, so why are they represented that way in government?
such inequalities cannot be corrected over night by quotas and regulation. to be truly fair society must change as a result of people's views. Only through education can gender equality be achieved (as I believe it should). Gender Quotas would only create resentment and would be more of a blow than a boon to equality in society as a whole.

No it isnot! Womyn are half of the population! They should have half of the political positions! How is that unfair? How is that discrimination? There are two genders and everything should be shared farily among them!
so you dont think in the case i gave that its discrimination to put males through a selection process...just because by accident of their birth they are male?


The problem of discrimination would be solved by simply employing the best person for the job, regardless of their sex

No it isnot! Womyn are half of the population! They should have half of the political positions! How is that unfair? How is that discrimination? There are two genders and everything should be shared farily among them!

So would you rather have a woman not suited to a job doing it in place of a man who is perfectly qualified, in order to fill out quotas?

No it isnot! Womyn are half of the population! They should have half of the political positions! How is that unfair? How is that discrimination? There are two genders and everything should be shared farily among them!
If the female half is not suited to the job they shouldn't have half of the positions. Same with the male half. There are just some jobs that can never be split 50/50 and still get the same quality of work done. If you think otherwise, try out my old construction job. You won't last a week.

Why can't you people accept that womyn out there want this? that we deserve it? If speaking my mind somehow makes me a puppet, then what does it make you, who only laugh at me? Discrimination is everywhere and it is such a part of our society that we cant' escape it. it is in our religions. It is in our schools. it is in our governments. We can change that and make this world a better one, free of violence and war and rape and hatred. that won't happen by itself, it is going to take hard work, and ti is going to take serious action before this world is possible. Are you afraid of work?

babies make up a sizable proportion of the population, should we have quotas for them in government?

Best applicants from those who apply.

Why can't you people accept that womyn out there want this? that we deserve it? If speaking my mind somehow makes me a puppet, then what does it make you, who only laugh at me? Discrimination is everywhere and it is such a part of our society that we cant' escape it. it is in our religions. It is in our schools. it is in our governments. We can change that and make this world a better one, free of violence and war and rape and hatred. that won't happen by itself, it is going to take hard work, and ti is going to take serious action before this world is possible. Are you afraid of work?
Do you have any Italian in you?

such inequalities cannot be corrected over night by quotas and regulation. to be truly fair society must change as a result of people's views. Only through education can gender equality be achieved (as I believe it should). Gender Quotas would only create resentment and would be more of a blow than a boon to equality in society as a whole.
Education is not enough! Womyn must have power first. Schools are run by men. the materials are developed by men. Our children are indoctribnated early on to accept this system. Only a radical change can shake this mentality. Enforcement of gender equality is the only way it will truly happen.

Why can't you people accept that womyn out there want this? that we deserve it? If speaking my mind somehow makes me a puppet, then what does it make you, who only laugh at me? Discrimination is everywhere and it is such a part of our society that we cant' escape it. it is in our religions. It is in our schools. it is in our governments. We can change that and make this world a better one, free of violence and war and rape and hatred. that won't happen by itself, it is going to take hard work, and ti is going to take serious action before this world is possible. Are you afraid of work?
Well, yes-but I'm a Slacker.

Why'd you bail on your own thread? You're giving bumpage and therefore more 'impressions' to the parody than the actual idea. (dig the use of advertising lingo...so hip)

so you dont think in the case i gave that its discrimination to put males through a selection process...just because by accident of their birth they are male?


The problem of discrimination would be solved by simply employing the best person for the job, regardless of their sexThere is never just one person best for the job. There are many. Put good candidates together by gender so that you can fulfil the quotas. Quotas will not keep good candiates out, it will allow mroe good candidates in! Womyn don't choose their gender either, they are born that way, but through this accident of birth they are forced into terrible gender roles that limit their potential. Why can you see this only in favor of men and not see how it would benefit womyn and free them to realize their potential?

Education is not enough! Womyn must have power first. Schools are run by men.

so the way to get equality is to force one sex over another? :confused:

I don't hate all politicans. I hate the patriarchal system which takes power away from womyn. If you try to have anarchy, men will again come to power using violence against womyn. We have to enforce equality. Clearly it will not just happen on its own, or it would have by now.
i am in no way advocating anarchy. i am suggesting that to be free one must take responsibility for one's own actions on such a way that they do not need to be controlled by governmental (for example) authority so that authority can deal with those who lack such respoonsibility. also you seem to be advocating a system which takes power away from men while you should concentrate on how to give power to women. these are mutually exclusive goals.

So would you rather have a woman not suited to a job doing it in place of a man who is perfectly qualified, in order to fill out quotas?
No I'm not saying that! Stop putting words in my mouth! Plenty of womyn are qualified but they are never given a chance because men think they should stay in the home instead or take menail jobs. HOw is that fair? You would simply say that 50p per cent of the jobs must be held by womyn. Womyn are qualified and if not they need the training to be qualified but that way we would have more equality in the workplace. It will be harder that way, but all good things take work.

There is never just one person best for the job. There are many. Put good candidates together by gender so that you can fulfil the quotas. Quotas will not keep good candiates out, it will allow mroe good candidates in! Womyn don't choose their gender either, they are born that way, but through this accident of birth they are forced into terrible gender roles that limit their potential. Why can you see this only in favor of men and not see how it would benefit womyn and free them to realize their potential?

view it the other way. 3 shit male candidates, 7 good female ones.

Who do we choose?

Men take shit jobs that women don't want. Many of those jobs the average woman can't even do. How many women want to work in a steel mill, or on a construction site, or on a crab boat? These are hard, dirty, dangerous jobs that help account for why men have a lower average life expectancy than women. HerPower, you should be thanking us for some level of gender inequality.

There is never just one person best for the job. There are many. Put good candidates together by gender so that you can fulfil the quotas. Quotas will not keep good candiates out, it will allow mroe good candidates in! Womyn don't choose their gender either, they are born that way, but through this accident of birth they are forced into terrible gender roles that limit their potential. Why can you see this only in favor of men and not see how it would benefit womyn and free them to realize their potential?
because no matter how you look at it, its discrimination.

discrimination of any kind is wrong

(oh, and by the way, sex and gender are different, a person can have a female gender and a male sex...)

If the female half is not suited to the job they shouldn't have half of the positions. Same with the male half. There are just some jobs that can never be split 50/50 and still get the same quality of work done. If you think otherwise, try out my old construction job. You won't last a week.
That is a stereotype. Many womyn can do physcially demanding jobs but are told that they are weak and should go for more feminine jobs instead. that is propoganda. we have many excelent female athletes and many womyn in the army. we are more tolerant of pain because we have to be in order to endure childbirht. Given a chance, we can be as strong and as good as men. Not all womyn will want to be construction workers, but many will and they can do it! Don't say they can't just because right now they aren't being allowed.

babies make up a sizable proportion of the population, should we have quotas for them in government?

Best applicants from those who apply.
Don't be ridiculous. we are talking about adults not children.

Do you have any Italian in you?
What does that have to do with anythign? No, I am not Italian. I am a womyn first. My ethnicity does not matter.

Don't be ridiculous. we are talking about adults not children.

That's ageism that is. For hundreds of years, adults have oppressed children. Come, all ye youngsters. We must rise up now, and fight for our right to a say in the workplace, in the home, and in the government. We deserve the same opportunities as everyone else. We are, after all, human beings.

Don't be ridiculous. we are talking about adults not children.

shoe size? skin colour? hair colour? number of teeth? eye-colour?

Well, yes-but I'm a Slacker.

Why'd you bail on your own thread? You're giving bumpage and therefore more 'impressions' to the parody than the actual idea. (dig the use of advertising lingo...so hip)
I went back to that thread but its all about soccer now, and pointless. i came here to challenge this thread because there already is a patriarchy. we don't need more of it. What do you want to know specifically? All I am getting are insults and laughter. If you want to know more about my ideas ask me and I will try to answer if not now, then later when I can.

shoe size? skin colour? hair colour? number of teeth? eye-colour?
None of those things matter.

I went back to that thread but its all about soccer now, and pointless. i came here to challenge this thread because there already is a patriarchy. we don't need more of it. What do you want to know specifically? All I am getting are insults and laughter. If you want to know more about my ideas ask me and I will try to answer if not now, then later when I can.

Is soccer pointless? Are you now saying we should oppress the soccer players, and sports players, since they've been oppressing women for so long. Soccer players are human beings too you know, they have feelings, and rights.

That is a stereotype. Many womyn can do physcially demanding jobs but are told that they are weak and should go for more feminine jobs instead. that is propoganda. we have many excelent female athletes and many womyn in the army. we are more tolerant of pain because we have to be in order to endure childbirht. Given a chance, we can be as strong and as good as men. Not all womyn will want to be construction workers, but many will and they can do it! Don't say they can't just because right now they aren't being allowed.
I hiked up a mountain with a broken ankle. Please don't tell me about pain tolerance. Also, the average guy can lift a 96 pound sack of concrete over his head and load it into a cement mixer. The average woman can't. Women capable of doing such heavy work are the exception, not the rule. They can't comprise 50% of the workforce in such jobs because there simply aren't enough women capable of doing the job well or safely. What do you want employers to do? Should they just not build things because there aren't enough qualified women to fill the quota?

Education is not enough! Womyn must have power first. Schools are run by men. the materials are developed by men. Our children are indoctribnated early on to accept this system. Only a radical change can shake this mentality. Enforcement of gender equality is the only way it will truly happen.
i was educated in schools where women were/are just as involved in descision making proccesses as men. this 'radical change' is already underway, by taking a stance that to some seems extremist you risk creating resentment to this change, a change which is in large part due to education. do you realise that what you are doing her is attempting to educate us?

Is soccer pointless? Are you now saying we should oppress the soccer players, and sports players, since they've been oppressing women for so long. Soccer players are human beings too you know, they have feelings, and rights.
It has nothing to do with gender equity. Start a soccer topic. I like soccer but it doesn't have anythign to do with a Matriarchy.

What does that have to do with anythign? No, I am not Italian. I am a womyn first. My ethnicity does not matter.
Do you want some?

None of those things matter.
so its ok to be racist, as long as you treat males and females equally?

see, that was always my one major problem with feminism, they neglect all the other disadvantaged groups...

there should be an "equalist" movement, where you just want everyone to be equal, not just based on sex

I hiked up a mountain with a broken ankle. Please don't tell me about pain tolerance. Also, the average guy can lift a 96 pound sack of concrete over his head and load it into a cement mixer. The average woman can't. Women capable of doing such heavy work are the exception, not the rule. They can't comprise 50% of the workforce in such jobs because there simply aren't enough women capable of doing the job well or safely. What do you want employers to do? Should they just not build things because there aren't enough qualified women to fill the quota?
They can't right now because they don't. If you have womyn doing those jobs they will build up the strenght. most men are using their strenghty from an early age and get used to it. So can we. You can't take a womyn who sits in an office all day and make her a construction worker over night, but you can encourage them from school age to think about that route since it makes good money anyway, and soon they will be strong enough to do it. we are always put into the jobs that require little strenght and then you point to our lack of strenght as a reason to keep keeping us out. That'sunfair.

shoe size? skin colour? hair colour? number of teeth? eye-colour?

ethnic minorities are under-represented, why not quota for them too?

Too many politicians are middle aged, why not old and young people?

and who would you choose out of 3 shit male candidates and 7 good female ones?

eh, troll?

i was educated in schools where women were/are just as involved in descision making proccesses as men. this 'radical change' is already underway, by taking a stance that to some seems extremist you risk creating resentment to this change, a change which is in large part due to education. do you realise that what you are doing her is attempting to educate us?
It may exist to some extent in our countries, but the majority of the world still keep their womyn in ignorance and positions of no power. How can we rejoice at our own sucesses and ignore the horrors being suffered by most womyn?

Do you want some?
Keep your inuendos to yourself. I don't need a man to fulfil me.

They can't right now because they don't. If you have womyn doing those jobs they will build up the strenght. most men are using their strenghty from an early age and get used to it. So can we. You can't take a womyn who sits in an office all day and make her a construction worker over night, but you can encourage them from school age to think about that route since it makes good money anyway, and soon they will be strong enough to do it. we are always put into the jobs that require little strenght and then you point to our lack of strenght as a reason to keep keeping us out. That'sunfair.
at the end of the day, there are basic biological differences between males and females that mean that, as a rule, males are physically stronger

They can't right now because they don't. If you have womyn doing those jobs they will build up the strenght. most men are using their strenghty from an early age and get used to it. So can we. You can't take a womyn who sits in an office all day and make her a construction worker over night, but you can encourage them from school age to think about that route since it makes good money anyway, and soon they will be strong enough to do it. we are always put into the jobs that require little strenght and then you point to our lack of strenght as a reason to keep keeping us out. That'sunfair.
Ever hear of testosterone? In men it starts getting produced in huge quantities around puberty. It's anabolic. That means it builds muscle mass. The only way the average woman can be as strong as the average man is to train as an elite athelete, or to supplement with steroids. Sorry, biology has made us physically different in more ways than just our sex organs.

so its ok to be racist, as long as you treat males and females equally?

see, that was always my one major problem with feminism, they neglect all the other disadvantaged groups...

there should be an "equalist" movement, where you just want everyone to be equal, not just based on sex
I am not a racist! Womyn of any color and men of any color need to be respected! I said none of those thing smatter because they don't. Only gender matters.

They can't right now because they don't. If you have womyn doing those jobs they will build up the strenght. most men are using their strenghty from an early age and get used to it. So can we. You can't take a womyn who sits in an office all day and make her a construction worker over night, but you can encourage them from school age to think about that route since it makes good money anyway, and soon they will be strong enough to do it. we are always put into the jobs that require little strenght and then you point to our lack of strenght as a reason to keep keeping us out. That'sunfair.

Alright, you find me ten womEn on NS that want to work on a building site. You cannot FORCE womEn into becoming manual labour workers, which is exactly what you are proposing. That's absolutely no better, if not worse, than us men supposedly do now, forcing womEn into office jobs. You are, I'm afraid, a hypocrite of the highest order.

Keep your inuendos to yourself. I don't need a man to fulfil me.
Actually I was thinking of putting it in u endo.

ethnic minorities are under-represented, why not quota for them too?

Too many politicians are middle aged, why not old and young people?

and who would you choose out of 3 shit male candidates and 7 good female ones?

eh, troll?
womyn are not a minority they are a majority yet they are a minority in power. minorities are not underpresented they are already minorities. the majority should have the majority power. That is what democracy is about. The majority by 52 per cent are womyn.

Ever hear of testosterone? In men it starts getting produced in huge quantities around puberty. It's anabolic. That means it builds muscle mass. The only way the average woman can be as strong as the average man is to train as an elite athelete, or to supplement with steroids. Sorry, biology has made us physically different in more ways than just our sex organs.
CEO jobs don't need physical strenght but still men have most of those positions too. your arguement is flawed.

You've avoided the question..

Just example.. There's space for 6 places to be CEO's.

There's 3 guys and 7 girls in the waiting room.

All 3 guys are useless.. And there's 7 girls who are all damn capable.

Do you fill in the 3 because their guys? Because if not.. your a hypocrite to what you stand for.

womyn are not a minority they are a majority yet they are a minority in power. minorities are not underpresented they are already minorities. the majority should have the majority power. That is what democracy is about. The majority by 52 per cent are womEn.

Surely all groups should have equal rights to power? And surely, womEn are the majority by 4%, not 52%? Unless there are 52% more womEn in the world than men.

They can't right now because they don't. If you have womyn doing those jobs they will build up the strenght. most men are using their strenghty from an early age and get used to it. So can we. You can't take a womyn who sits in an office all day and make her a construction worker over night, but you can encourage them from school age to think about that route since it makes good money anyway, and soon they will be strong enough to do it. we are always put into the jobs that require little strenght and then you point to our lack of strenght as a reason to keep keeping us out. That'sunfair.
you are arguing against millenia of evolution. it is not just physical strength, but also the structure of the human frame that is important. through a long term inequality the male frame is more suitable for heavy lifting than the female. there are many things that women are more suited to than men. this is not propoganda it is fact. the sexes are different, live with it.

I am not a racist! Womyn of any color and men of any color need to be respected! I said none of those thing smatter because they don't. Only gender matters.
no it doesnt, sex doesnt matter - in my eyes humans are humans regardless of anything, and everybody should be treated equally

do i have to point out the difference between sex and gender again??

CEO jobs don't need physical strenght but still men have most of those positions too. your arguement is flawed.
You said a 50/50 split in all positions. Now you want to exclude some? My position's flawed? At least mine's consistent.

Alright, you find me ten womEn on NS that want to work on a building site. You cannot FORCE womEn into becoming manual labour workers, which is exactly what you are proposing. That's absolutely no better, if not worse, than us men supposedly do now, forcing womEn into office jobs. You are, I'm afraid, a hypocrite of the highest order.
No. there are many womyn who would like the money and the opportunity to have these jobs but they dont' want to be harrased or made fun of so they go into something considered more feminine. Give womyn the opportunity to do it and they will. You wont' have a 50/50 split in construction jobs right away . You could start slow, with a quota of 70/30, then 60/40 then 50/50. I realize this could take many years to do but it could be done.

Actually I was thinking of putting it in u endo.
You can't argue with my points so you wish to dominate me sexually. How typica.l

CEO jobs don't need physical strenght but still men have most of those positions too. your arguement is flawed.

If you are to fill the top places. You must fill the lowest of lowest of jobs as well.. because you do represent the 52% Majority.

What about the garbagemen? The road sweepers? The sewer cleaners, the construction workers and other low class jobs that is majoritily taken by men. Lets put a quota on that so that women can work there as well.

No. there are many womyn who would like the money and the opportunity to have these jobs but they dont' want to be harrased or made fun of so they go into something considered more feminine.
dont you realise it works the other way as well?

look at childcare, or nursing

You've avoided the question..

Just example.. There's space for 6 places to be CEO's.

There's 3 guys and 7 girls in the waiting room.

All 3 guys are useless.. And there's 7 girls who are all damn capable.

Do you fill in the 3 because their guys? Because if not.. your a hypocrite to what you stand for.I'm not avoiding the question I just think I've already answered it. a quota would be work because you would have to go out and find candidates that are suitable to fill them. If there were 7 girls all capable you would still have to only hire 3 of them and go out and find 3 good males.

Surely all groups should have equal rights to power? And surely, womEn are the majority by 4%, not 52%? Unless there are 52% more womEn in the world than men.
no, there are 52% women and 48% men you know what I meant. But because there is sometimes variation in the population, only a 50/50 split would be really fair.

No. there are many womEn who would like the money and the opportunity to have these jobs but they dont' want to be harrased or made fun of so they go into something considered more feminine. Give womEn the opportunity to do it and they will. You wont' have a 50/50 split in construction jobs right away . You could start slow, with a quota of 70/30, then 60/40 then 50/50. I realize this could take many years to do but it could be done.

Or, how about, you shut up, and realise that we aren't oppressing womEn, and that they are free to work pretty much whereever they damn well please. Last time womEn were given freedom of jobs, i.e. WW1, they kept the jobs of the men who went off to fight, meaning that those who risked their lives in war defending France came back to be unemployed, and harrased by womEn like you, demanding equality. Is that fair on those men?

you are arguing against millenia of evolution. it is not just physical strength, but also the structure of the human frame that is important. through a long term inequality the male frame is more suitable for heavy lifting than the female. there are many things that women are more suited to than men. this is not propoganda it is fact. the sexes are different, live with it.
They are different, but one is not inferior to the other the way that womyn has been made inferior. Most construction jobs now use machinery and womyn can do that work just as good as a man.

I'm not avoiding the question I just think I've already answered it. a quota would be work because you would have to go out and find candidates that are suitable to fill them. If there were 7 girls all capable you would still have to only hire 3 of them and go out and find 3 good males.

So you're going to force people into jobs that they're not interested in simply because they are qualified?


edit: Ooh, can we forcibly enlist women into the military to keep a 50/50 split there as well?

no it doesnt, sex doesnt matter - in my eyes humans are humans regardless of anything, and everybody should be treated equally

do i have to point out the difference between sex and gender again??
Sex is gender. Sexuality is different. A womyn is a womyn in sex and gender and a man is a man in sex and gender. There isn no difference.

no, there are 52% women and 48% men you know what I meant. But because there is sometimes variation in the population, only a 50/50 split would be really fair.

I know, why don't we have a culling of women, and certain ethnic groups. Make sure there is an absolutely dead equal number of men and women of each racial group in the world, and then everyone will be equal. We'll feed women testosterne and anabolic steroids so they can work in the harder jobs, and then you'll have true equality. Happy now? Good.

I'm not avoiding the question I just think I've already answered it. a quota would be work because you would have to go out and find candidates that are suitable to fill them. If there were 7 girls all capable you would still have to only hire 3 of them and go out and find 3 good males.

And your going to leave the spot empty for 3 good males? What if it's a specialist job like a microsurgeon, where very few exists in the country? The rest already all have jobs. When the demand is greater than supply?

Why would you forsake the other 3 more girls when they are readily at hand? Willing to do the work effeciently and well? Are you 'Doing them a favour' by not giving them the job because of Quota's?

I'm sorry. We can't take you. We have quota's. Only 3 female workers are allowed to work in our place, no more, no less. Because it's to ensure that females are treated equally in our society.

Or, how about, you shut up, and realise that we aren't oppressing womEn, and that they are free to work pretty much whereever they damn well please. Last time womEn were given freedom of jobs, i.e. WW1, they kept the jobs of the men who went off to fight, meaning that those who risked their lives in war defending France came back to be unemployed, and harrased by womEn like you, demanding equality. Is that fair on those men?
Womyn were asked to go outside the home for the first time and they did so to support their men. Then they were asked to mekly go back home when the men returned. How ridiculous. They found out they were just as good at those jobs and that they had been lied to for years and told they were weak. We are not weak, we can do it and we will do it. You don't see the oppression because you benefit from it. If the men didn't want us to work they never should have opened that box up. Plus womyn in most of the world still don't have that opportunity. what about them? are they not opppressed just because I can get a job here?

You said a 50/50 split in all positions. Now you want to exclude some? My position's flawed? At least mine's consistent.
I never said I wanted to exclude some. 50/50 in everything.

You can't argue with my points so you wish to dominate me sexually. How typica.l
Yeah, that's it. I can't argue with your points ( actually I have ), and I want to dominate you sexually (actually I was just kidding). Lighten up. Get over yourself. Try to see more of the world before you convince yourself that you know exactly what's up. Maybe when you hit 25 you'll mellow out a bit.

If you are to fill the top places. You must fill the lowest of lowest of jobs as well.. because you do represent the 52% Majority.

What about the garbagemen? The road sweepers? The sewer cleaners, the construction workers and other low class jobs that is majoritily taken by men. Lets put a quota on that so that women can work there as well.
you have yoru facts wrong. most of the lowest paying and most dangerous jobs are held by womyn. Sweatshops, prostitution, and so on. And it means 50/50 in everything. That means womyn will fill low positions but so will men and they will both fill the high ones instead of just men having them.

WomEn were asked to go outside the home for the first time and they did so to support their men. Then they were asked to mekly go back home when the men returned. How ridiculous. They found out they were just as good at those jobs and that they had been lied to for years and told they were weak. We are not weak, we can do it and we will do it. You don't see the oppression because you benefit from it. If the men didn't want us to work they never should have opened that box up. Plus womEn in most of the world still don't have that opportunity. what about them? are they not opppressed just because I can get a job here?

And so heroes, veterans, wounded, and poor were forced to seek new jobs so that womEn could cling onto their precious jobs in armaments factories, building weapons and shells that would ultimately kill them from chemical poisoning. Yeah, go you.

By the way, those construction jobs pay way better than even schoolteachers get, so don't act like they're getting a raw deal there.

so its ok to be racist, as long as you treat males and females equally?

see, that was always my one major problem with feminism, they neglect all the other disadvantaged groups...

there should be an "equalist" movement, where you just want everyone to be equal, not just based on sex

well said well said!!! Equality of opportunity for all!!!

I know, why don't we have a culling of women, and certain ethnic groups. Make sure there is an absolutely dead equal number of men and women of each racial group in the world, and then everyone will be equal. We'll feed women testosterne and anabolic steroids so they can work in the harder jobs, and then you'll have true equality. Happy now? Good.
No. No more killing. You men have done enough of that. I never said I wanted to kill off anyone.

I never said I wanted to exclude some. 50/50 in everything.
So then what do you do when you find you can't fill the women's quota in certain jobs? I asked this question before and you avoided it by saying my position was flawed. Clearly it's your position that's flawed since you don't have an answer for this sweetie.

Yeah, that's it. I can't argue with your points ( actually I have ), and I want to dominate you sexually (actually I was just kidding). Lighten up. Get over yourself. Try to see more of the world before you convince yourself that you know exactly what's up. Maybe when you hit 25 you'll mellow out a bit.
So in two years I'll be a submissive littel twit who love the patriarchy. idoubt it.

And so heroes, veterans, wounded, and poor were forced to seek new jobs so that womEn could cling onto their precious jobs in armaments factories, building weapons and shells that would ultimately kill them from chemical poisoning. Yeah, go you.
you needed us there and we did a good job. you started the wars and you are responsible for them. Don't blame us for doing our jobs.

By the way, those construction jobs pay way better than even schoolteachers get, so don't act like they're getting a raw deal there.

Woah, your so right. Men are evil, vindictive, oppressive bastards. We should all quit our jobs and give them to women, who can obviously do them so much better. Go on then love, there's a pile of explosives, there's a quarry, off you go. There's a TIG welder, there's some metal, after you. There's a pile of materials, theres some plans. We need that building up in six months, so get to it.

Actually I was thinking of putting it in u endo.

Award for funniest post in this thread so far....

No it isnot! Womyn are half of the population! They should have half of the political positions! How is that unfair? How is that discrimination? There are two genders and everything should be shared farily among them!
Sorry, got to catch up here...

Okay, I agree with this, but I don't agree that it can happen through quotas. Women have to fight for their political rights, yes, but getting them because someone says they have to fill x number of seats has limited usefulness. They did it in Rwanda (the quotas) to get women into a pretty even split, but now its up to women to keep it that way.

By the way, those construction jobs pay way better than even schoolteachers get, so don't act like they're getting a raw deal there.
Bullshit!!!! I started in construction at $6.75/hour. My top pay was only about $17/hour with no benefits at a seasonal construction job. It was way harder and more dangerous than teaching, the pay was lower, and the benefits were non-existant. You women don't know how good you have it. Many guys like me work in shit jobs like the one I described.

you needed us there and we did a good job. you started the wars and you are responsible for them. Don't blame us for doing our jobs.

This is so stupid, I'm not even going to bother answering. All men are, after all, imperialistic Serbian Nazis who shoot Archdukes for fun, and just so happen to fancy lands in China. That's right, and all womEn are perfect angels, never committed a crime, never killed a man, never caused a war. Get real man, get real.

Sex is gender. Sexuality is different. A womyn is a womyn in sex and gender and a man is a man in sex and gender. There isn no difference.
wow, you got that completely wrong

Sex is physical, gender is psychological...well, thats the easiest way to describe it

believe me when i say there can be a difference between sex and gender in a person

Education is not enough! Womyn must have power first. Schools are run by men. the materials are developed by men. Our children are indoctribnated early on to accept this system. Only a radical change can shake this mentality. Enforcement of gender equality is the only way it will truly happen.
Education is important, yes. But our education in the west has really managed to include women's issues and it's just getting better. We need to help our sisters in the rest of the world better their own education, but 'taking over' won't do that. It's a more complex issue.

So you're going to force people into jobs that they're not interested in simply because they are qualified?


edit: Ooh, can we forcibly enlist women into the military to keep a 50/50 split there as well?

Quoting myself because it seems I was ignored.

Woah, your so right. Men are evil, vindictive, oppressive bastards. We should all quit our jobs and give them to women, who can obviously do them so much better. Go on then love, there's a pile of explosives, there's a quarry, off you go. There's a TIG welder, there's some metal, after you. There's a pile of materials, theres some plans. We need that building up in six months, so get to it.
No, we aren't asking you to giv eup your jobs! Just give us equal acess to them! 50/50, not 99/1 in favor of womyn. You are twisting this.

So in two years I'll be a submissive littel twit who love the patriarchy. idoubt it.
No, you'll figure out that your current attitude doesn't win anyone over to your side but the immature and the damaged, and turns everyone else against you. You'll learn to take a joke, you'll learn to give them as good as you get. You'll learn what's important, and how to fight for it effectively. And you'll be a mature, respected, pleasant person. Or you'll go on as you currently are and end up like Dworkin. A walking joke.

Quoting myself because it seems I was ignored.

But if HerPower gets his way, we won't need a military, because womEn will rule, and the world will be perfectly peaceful. All those American hating Islam extremists will realise the error of their ways, repent for their sins, and sit down at home to make their wives dinner.

Silly you Sdaeriji. Honestly.

If you are to fill the top places. You must fill the lowest of lowest of jobs as well.. because you do represent the 52% Majority.

What about the garbagemen? The road sweepers? The sewer cleaners, the construction workers and other low class jobs that is majoritily taken by men. Lets put a quota on that so that women can work there as well.
Hey, don't forget here (god now I'm going to look like I'm backing her up, but she does have a FEW things right...a very few), that many low paying jobs belong to women too. Janitors and baby sitters and seamstresses and half-time cashiers and such. The majority of half time work is given to women, not because they necessarily want it. Many women end up taking three or four of these part time positions to make ends meet. At least as a welder or electrician you can pretty much guarantee you'll never be out of work. It isn't untrained labour...those guys have to know what they're doing. Not so with a cashier...disposable labour that.

you have yoru facts wrong. most of the lowest paying and most dangerous jobs are held by womyn. Sweatshops, prostitution, and so on. And it means 50/50 in everything. That means womyn will fill low positions but so will men and they will both fill the high ones instead of just men having them.

So your saying that men are filling the high places, that women are FORCED into prostitution and sweatshops?

You need to get your facts straight. For poverty places, both men and women have to do all sorts of menial tasks. Because they have to feed their mouth. Nothing to do with gender biasness. If the women is prostituting (which is a relatively easy job you'd might think), the same goes for the man who is poor who would be off cutting wood, fixing roads, collecting rubbish for recycling etc.

Prostitution are done mostly by women, because men are so easily coerced into giving money for sex. Women aren't the same when they see a gigolo do they? Or don't tell me, that you'll gladly sleep with any hot bodied men on the street?

No, you'll figure out that your current attitude doesn't win anyone over to your side but the immature and the damaged, and turns everyone else against you. You'll learn to take a joke, you'll learn to give them as good as you get. You'll learn what's important, and how to fight for it effectively. And you'll be a mature, respected, pleasant person. Or you'll go on as you currently are and end up like Dworkin. A walking joke.

//serious mode ON

My wife works, in a great job. Most of the women I know do also. Some make more money than men, some don't. A few of them have chosen to stay home with their children. Some shave, some don't. Guess what?

IT WAS THEIR CHOICE.

//serious mode OFF

OK...someone give HerPower my dirty laundry please?

Quoting myself because it seems I was ignored.
There should be no militaries. With a Matriarchy we wouldnt' have war.

There should be no militaries. With a Matriarchy we wouldnt' have war.

Why not?

There should be no militaries. With a Matriarchy we wouldnt' have war.

Dang. I was looking forward to a good catfight.

Sex is gender. Sexuality is different. A womyn is a womyn in sex and gender and a man is a man in sex and gender. There isn no difference.
There are more than two genders. Don't forget the transgendered and intersexed. SOMEONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE INTERSEXED!!!

There should be no militaries. With a Matriarchy we wouldnt' have war.

how would you defend agaisnt agressive patriarchal ideologies?

And why should black people be under-represented in political posts? shouldn't they get quota positions too?

There should be no militaries. With a Matriarchy we wouldnt' have war.

I told you so.

So your saying that men are filling the high places, that women are FORCED into prostitution and sweatshops?

You need to get your facts straight. For poverty places, both men and women have to do all sorts of menial tasks. Because they have to feed their mouth. Nothing to do with gender biasness. If the women is prostituting (which is a relatively easy job you'd might think), the same goes for the man who is poor who would be off cutting wood, fixing roads, collecting rubbish for recycling etc.

Prostitution are done mostly by women, because men are so easily coerced into giving money for sex. Women aren't the same when they see a gigolo do they? Or don't tell me, that you'll gladly sleep with any hot bodied men on the street?
All prostitution should be stopped. It is desgrading and dangerous and too many womyn and children are forced into it to satisfy the needs of men.

Hey, don't forget here (god now I'm going to look like I'm backing her up, but she does have a FEW things right...a very few), that many low paying jobs belong to women too. Janitors and baby sitters and seamstresses and half-time cashiers and such. The majority of half time work is given to women, not because they necessarily want it. Many women end up taking three or four of these part time positions to make ends meet. At least as a welder or electrician you can pretty much guarantee you'll never be out of work. It isn't untrained labour...those guys have to know what they're doing. Not so with a cashier...disposable labour that.

There is some truth in that.. but it comes down as well to education and many other factors.

But what she's pointing the finger at .. Is there's a lack of high level jobs because the MEN has taken all of them, leaving only the worst for Womyn.

There are more than two genders. Don't forget the transgendered and intersexed. SOMEONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE INTERSEXED!!!

I do...usually on Friday nights when I have access to Google.

I do...usually on Friday nights when I have access to Google.

EDIT: Beat me to it by a matter of moments.

And so heroes, veterans, wounded, and poor were forced to seek new jobs so that womEn could cling onto their precious jobs in armaments factories, building weapons and shells that would ultimately kill them from chemical poisoning. Yeah, go you.
Wow...slow down here. You're blaming WOMEN for building the tools that killed men in war? Isn't that a little nuts? Women were told that they were supporting the war by taking jobs left unfilled by men who had to fight. They couldn't join the army at the time, so that was their contribution to the war effort (oh, except the nurses I mean). Then the men come back and want the women to abandon their jobs and go back to things as usual. Well things weren't usual. Thanks to the war, we have social security and pensions, and other social systems that were needed to help the wounded soldiers and the widows...I'd say that was a good step forward. There are enough jobs for us all...are you saying women should have gone back home and not worked?

HerPower why don’t YOU do something about it, and go for a traditional male occupation such as construction worker, garbage handler or sewage worker. Then you can prove to everybody how wrong they are.

I'm tired, and I'm tired of the hostility here. I am propsing something that would help womyn and men and you make it into something that sounds worse than patriarchy. It isn't. But you can't see that because you cling to your power with all the desperation of those destined to lose it. If anyone has serious questions, I will try to come back tomorow to answe them.

All prostitution should be stopped. It is desgrading and dangerous and too many womyn and children are forced into it to satisfy the needs of men.

That might be ideal. And you can blame both sides, the men who continue supporting the prostitutes, and the syndicates.

But there's also the inbetween, some just do it because it's easy cash.

But women in places of destitute poverty, have no choice but to continue doing it. Because they are poor, or enslaved by syndicates. If not they'll just starve and die.

I'm tired, and I'm tired of the hostility here. I am propsing something that would help womyn and men and you make it into something that sounds worse than patriarchy. It isn't. But you can't see that because you cling to your power with all the desperation of those destined to lose it. If anyone has serious questions, I will try to come back tomorow to answe them.

ok, who had 18:43 (GMT) for the troll exit?

But if HerPower gets his way, we won't need a military, because womEn will rule, and the world will be perfectly peaceful. All those American hating Islam extremists will realise the error of their ways, repent for their sins, and sit down at home to make their wives dinner.

Silly you Sdaeriji. Honestly.
Nah, they'll invade and put all those upity western women in their harems.

Wow...slow down here. You're blaming WOMEN for building the tools that killed men in war? Isn't that a little nuts? Women were told that they were supporting the war by taking jobs left unfilled by men who had to fight. They couldn't join the army at the time, so that was their contribution to the war effort (oh, except the nurses I mean). Then the men come back and want the women to abandon their jobs and go back to things as usual. Well things weren't usual. Thanks to the war, we have social security and pensions, and other social systems that were needed to help the wounded soldiers and the widows...I'd say that was a good step forward. There are enough jobs for us all...are you saying women should have gone back home and not worked?

Easy mate, that's not what I said at all. I was talking about the womEn who got poisoned by the powders and chemicals used in munitions manufacture. I also agree that such a move was required, but not at the expense of men who just want to get back to life as it was before the hell of the trenches.

*brings cookies brownies and muffins to the thread and makes some coffee*

Tea time!
:D

I have to go take the a no-break to be repaired, come back and what was clearly a parody thread has gone all serious. What happened folks?

Yeah, that's it. I can't argue with your points ( actually I have ), and I want to dominate you sexually (actually I was just kidding). Lighten up. Get over yourself. Try to see more of the world before you convince yourself that you know exactly what's up. Maybe when you hit 25 you'll mellow out a bit.
Ah Drunk Commies, I have visions of when I first burst onto the scene of NS and had you ask for a sandwich...I didn't sound like this nutjob, did I? Seriously...it's time to stop feeding the troll and get a REAL feminist thread going...

ok, who had 18:43 (GMT) for the troll exit?

Yo. Right here. What did I win?

edit: Sweet, 11,000. I'll dedicate this post to HerPower, for starting a threads that let me get from 10,960 to 11,000 in a half hour.

ok, who had 18:43 (GMT) for the troll exit?

18:40, but my laptop is mysteriously slow. Go by forum time, i.e. 18:46.

Dude, you crack me up. Good work. I'm gonna start printing all the HerPower threads out at turning them into comedy books. This time next year, I'll be a millionaire.

i'll buy them :D

Bullshit!!!! I started in construction at $6.75/hour. My top pay was only about $17/hour with no benefits at a seasonal construction job. It was way harder and more dangerous than teaching, the pay was lower, and the benefits were non-existant. You women don't know how good you have it. Many guys like me work in shit jobs like the one I described.
You're working in the wrong place! My hubby made $14 to start as a first year apprentice electrician and is up to $32 with benefits in a non-union outfit up north. He made more than me in his FIRST YEAR of work than I did after 5 years of University and 3 years teaching experience. And after janitorial work and carpet cleaning (which is extremely physical work, and dangerous because they are never provided with protection when working with cleaning chemicals), being an electrician was a nice step down in terms of work load and danger for him. Time to move to Canada!

*sets up a table full of home baked goodies and caffinated drinks*

Someone needs to slow down a bit.....

Yo. Right here. What did I win?

edit: Sweet, 11,000.

You didn't dedicate to anyone. Congrats though mate.

There should be no militaries. With a Matriarchy we wouldnt' have war.
Bull. That's all I have to say to this one. Believe me...my people ARE a matriarchal people, and we weren't pacifists by any means.

You're working in the wrong place! My hubby made $14 to start as a first year apprentice electrician and is up to $32 with benefits in a non-union outfit up north. He made more than me in his FIRST YEAR of work than I did after 5 years of University and 3 years teaching experience. And after janitorial work and carpet cleaning (which is extremely physical work, and dangerous because they are never provided with protection when working with cleaning chemicals), being an electrician was a nice step down in terms of work load and danger for him. Time to move to Canada!
I definately don't work there anymore. Still, there's lots of bad construction jobs out there. HerPower seems to think they're easy and will make you rich.

You didn't dedicate to anyone. Congrats though mate.

You're right. I'll go dedicate it now.

There should be no militaries. With a Matriarchy we wouldnt' have war.
you can't possibly back that up. women are just as violent as myn (if not more).
also manipulative :p

Don't you realise that you have MORE power in the background? history is full of women who controlled the men who seemed to be making the descisions.

HerPower why don’t YOU do something about it, and go for a traditional male occupation such as construction worker, garbage handler or sewage worker. Then you can prove to everybody how wrong they are.
Maybe she is...HerPower, what DO you do for a living? Or are you still in high school?

Gawdly put down the toilet seat? I wonder what kind of tricks I can get him to do for me...

I'm tired, and I'm tired of the hostility here. I am propsing something that would help womyn and men and you make it into something that sounds worse than patriarchy. It isn't. But you can't see that because you cling to your power with all the desperation of those destined to lose it. If anyone has serious questions, I will try to come back tomorow to answe them.
I think all my questions so far have been serious...well, we'll see you in the REAL feminist thread I guess.

Ah Drunk Commies, I have visions of when I first burst onto the scene of NS and had you ask for a sandwich...I didn't sound like this nutjob, did I? Seriously...it's time to stop feeding the troll and get a REAL feminist thread going...
No, you didin't sound like her. I was just messing around with you. I beleive in equality, just not in feminists like HerPower who think man = evil oppressor, and woman = all that is good in the universe. You seem to be a reasonable and respectable person.

I definately don't work there anymore. Still, there's lots of bad construction jobs out there. HerPower seems to think they're easy and will make you rich.

HerPower seems to think we're all CEOs actively working to oppress her.

Maybe she is...HerPower, what DO you do for a living? Or are you still in high school?

Kindergarten? Pre-school? Maternity Ward?

Easy mate, that's not what I said at all. I was talking about the womEn who got poisoned by the powders and chemicals used in munitions manufacture. I also agree that such a move was required, but not at the expense of men who just want to get back to life as it was before the hell of the trenches.
Well I think that would have been impossible anyway...after that experience, how could you ever go back to normal? It is kind of sad though that it took a terrible war to bring women into the workplace. I would have wished it had happened in better times, but I'm glad it did. It paved the way for the rest of us to go out there and work too.

HerPower seems to think we're all CEOs actively working to oppress her.
I'm only in middle management, but I am working to oppress her. Do I get half credit?

I have to go take the a no-break to be repaired, come back and what was clearly a parody thread has gone all serious. What happened folks?
She said she wasn't going to be trapped...she has a weird definition of that then.

I'm only in middle management, but I am working to oppress her. Do I get half credit?

I'm unemployed, do I get any credit?

Well I think that would have been impossible anyway...after that experience, how could you ever go back to normal? It is kind of sad though that it took a terrible war to bring women into the workplace. I would have wished it had happened in better times, but I'm glad it did. It paved the way for the rest of us to go out there and work too.

Now there, I agree with you. But coming back to find you have nothing to come back too can't of helped. I'd be arguing just the same regardless of who took the jobs, not just because they were women. Hope you realised that.

I definately don't work there anymore. Still, there's lots of bad construction jobs out there. HerPower seems to think they're easy and will make you rich.
Yeah, well my dad has worked construction for 35 years, and 20 of those were spent during the dry times when part time work was all you can find. It's just now that things are booming that my parents can finally afford a real house...so yeah, it ain't the sweat deal she's making it out to be. Not all the time anyway...but I WOULD like to see more women in the trades. If I were to do it over, I'd love to be a carpenter or electrician...

I'm unemployed, do I get any credit?

Me too. I wonder how culpable I am.

I want to know why HerPower has such an adversity towards men.

No, you didin't sound like her. I was just messing around with you. I beleive in equality, just not in feminists like HerPower who think man = evil oppressor, and woman = all that is good in the universe. You seem to be a reasonable and respectable person.
Awwww...*blushes*...but that still won't get you a sandwich:)

Don't mind me asking.. But in the US, what are the percentages of male and female students in the universities?

In Malaysia is about 60-70% female...
Plus women are making a huge comeback into the economy.

I don't know what got her thinking that Men are all suppresing women all the time. No doubt it happeneds everywhere.. but I believe that generation is slowly dying out, as more and more female workers enter into the market and more female's get top powered jobs.

I want to know why HerPower has such an adversity towards men.

Probably someone dumped her real bad? :( Or probably lost her job or something.. Might be a teacher? Usually some form of hatred has to start from some bad experience one way or another I think..

Awwww...*blushes*...but that still won't get you a sandwich:)
How about a cold beer?

Don't mind me asking.. But in the US, what are the percentages of male and female students in the universities?

In Malaysia is about 60-70% female...
Plus women are making a huge comeback into the economy.

I don't know what got her thinking that Men are all suppresing women all the time. No doubt it happeneds everywhere.. but I believe that generation is slowly dying out, as more and more female workers enter into the market and more female's get top powered jobs.
Higher percentage of females than males. But men tend to outnumber females in the hard sciences and engineering.

How about a cold beer?
Now THAT I can do...as long as I get one too:)

Probably someone dumped her real bad? :( Or probably lost her job or something.. Might be a teacher? Usually some form of hatred has to start from some bad experience one way or another I think..
Unpopular girl, made fun of throughout grade school and middle school, picked up some radical feminist literature in high school and had an epiphany: Men and their patriarchy are to blame for all of her suffering. Currently in first year college, found some other damaged little girls to hang with and support her delusion, hopefully she'll grow out of it.

Now THAT I can do...as long as I get one too:)
Everybody gets free drinks in the glorious People's Republic of Drunk Commies.

Higher percentage of females than males. But men tend to outnumber females in the hard sciences and engineering.

Yeah, same here. There are three girls on my course, and about thirty-five boys. In the entire AADE first year, there are about ten girls, and more than three hundred boys. Before she asks, no there isn't a quota for the course, its open to all.

Higher percentage of females than males. But men tend to outnumber females in the hard sciences and engineering.

Hmm. yeah. Thats definitely same case here.

Yeah, same here. There are three girls on my course, and about thirty-five boys. In the entire AADE first year, there are about ten girls, and more than three hundred boys. Before she asks, no there isn't a quota for the course, its open to all.

Imagine if there's a quota on engineering. Eech..

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Yeah.. Preference makes a big issue. Some jobs girls just don't see it interesting by any means.

Santa Barbara, you are a visionary.

:)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8444685&postcount=213

I was just too lazy to do it myself. :)

Imagine if there's a quota on engineering. Eech..

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Yeah.. Preference makes a big issue. Some jobs girls just don't see it interesting by any means.

Especially aerospace engineering. Can you imagine trying to find the women to balance out the men studying this course? Good luck with that.

Gawdly put down the toilet seat? I wonder what kind of tricks I can get him to do for me...

I'll do anything you ask, Mistress.

Dang! Forgot where I was....

//correction mode ON

Womyn, get me my dinner!

Yeah, same here. There are three girls on my course, and about thirty-five boys. In the entire AADE first year, there are about ten girls, and more than three hundred boys. Before she asks, no there isn't a quota for the course, its open to all.
My class size was different in engineering, but the ratio of men to women nearly the same. In a class of sixty-five, there were two girls. I so wish we had more females in our class, the testosterone was staggering. That said, it was unfair that the two girls in our class recieved special government grants and bursaries allocated for women in 'gender stereotype' breaking education. Complete load of bs. There were many people in the class less fortunate and more deserving than they - talk about reverse sexism.

Here's a thought. I'm going to be majoring in Fashion Design. The ratio of woman to men is I believe 4:1 in a specific school I'm considering going to. What makes it more interesting, is that women are the minority in the fashion world. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Here's a thought. I'm going to be majoring in Fashion Design. The ratio of woman to men is I believe 4:1 in a specific school I'm considering going to. What makes it more interesting, is that women are the minority in the fashion world. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Fygs RULE!!

Here's a thought. I'm going to be majoring in Fashion Design. The ratio of woman to men is I believe 4:1 in a specific school I'm considering going to. What makes it more interesting, is that women are the minority in the fashion world. Go figure. :rolleyes:
Do the men in the class get special bursaries and grants to make the educational process easier on them... after all, it must be so stressfull to be around so many good looking girls all day long! ;)

I dont understand the bias in certain industries Oksana, it boggles me how it all works. I do know this, there is a bias in my industry towards most women, they work harder in the industry to make a name for themselves and earn respect. I find that sad.

I still think its bs to make concessions based on that which affect the amount of assistance available to other equally deserving members of any program. Equality should be equality, not an unfair 'balancing' of the scales by tipping more to one side than the other to make up for projected differences.

In the end the vast amount of this bias is based on societal 'norms' - so forcing them to change by introducing laws or any other measures only makes the problem worse. (look what Afirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Employment did for visible minorities - it disgusts me.)

Actually I was thinking of putting it in u endo.
This could quite well be the funniest post I have ever read. I think I shall have it framed and put on my wall.

Do the men in the class get special bursaries and grants to make the educational process easier on them... after all, it must be so stressfull to be around so many good looking girls all day long! ;)

I dont understand the bias in certain industries Oksana, it boggles me how it all works. I do know this, there is a bias in my industry towards most women, they work harder in the industry to make a name for themselves and earn respect. I find that sad.

I still think its bs to make concessions based on that which affect the amount of assistance available to other equally deserving members of any program. Equality should be equality, not an unfair 'balancing' of the scales by tipping more to one side than the other to make up for projected differences.

In the end the vast amount of this bias is based on societal 'norms' - so forcing them to change by introducing laws or any other measures only makes the problem worse. (look what Afirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Employment did for visible minorities - it disgusts me.)

It's like my mate who does physiotherapy. One of his classes involves about twenty fit ladies in their underwear. What do I get? A stripped down airframe, a wind tunnel, and some machining tools. More semi-naked women are needed on engineering courses, damn it.

Why should it continue to be 80/30 representation in favor of men?
Because I'm tired of our base ten number system! Seriously, why should percentages have to add up to 100, that discriminates against all the other numbers out there!

On a different note, I'll support forcing half of CEO's to be female when you support making half the prison population female.

Yes, some how you're going to get naked women in an engineering course. Ha! Love to see that.

Actually, LM, the average student body is about 80% female, 20% male. You also have to consider that part of the male population will be gay. Luckily, though that is just in the fashion design program. There are 20+ programs in the school. I'm not sure if I'm going to go there, London, or Paris. If I do go overseas, I definitely have my work cut out for me. :)

Because I'm tired of our base ten number system! Seriously, why should percentages have to add up to 100, that discriminates against all the other numbers out there!

.
It's a product of the evil patriarchy. You see, 100 is like one man with two wives. The one, with it's phallic shape, represents evil manhood. The two zeros represent the oppressive patriarchial view of women. They are just holes and nothing more (zero=nothing). That's why 100 is given the position of power that it has in patriarchial society.

It's a product of the evil patriarchy. You see, 100 is like one man with two wives. The one, with it's phallic shape, represents evil manhood. The two zeros represent the oppressive patriarchial view of women. They are just holes and nothing more (zero=nothing). That's why 100 is given the position of power that it has in patriarchial society.

Rofl.

It's a product of the evil patriarchy. You see, 100 is like one man with two wives. The one, with it's phallic shape, represents evil manhood. The two zeros represent the oppressive patriarchial view of women. They are just holes and nothing more (zero=nothing). That's why 100 is given the position of power that it has in patriarchial society.

Damn straight.

Go MEN.

*scratches himself, belches and skims through Hustler*

It's a product of the evil patriarchy. You see, 100 is like one man with two wives. The one, with it's phallic shape, represents evil manhood. The two zeros represent the oppressive patriarchial view of women. They are just holes and nothing more (zero=nothing). That's why 100 is given the position of power that it has in patriarchial society.

but 80/30 is 110

thats wrong

It's a product of the evil patriarchy. You see, 100 is like one man with two wives. The one, with it's phallic shape, represents evil manhood. The two zeros represent the oppressive patriarchial view of women. They are just holes and nothing more (zero=nothing). That's why 100 is given the position of power that it has in patriarchial society.
But if terms are placed next to each other, isn't it implied that they are to be multiplied? This would suggest that placing a 1 (man) with a 0 (women) would undo all of his positive aspects. There's only one solution here, we must start a patriarchy!

. You also have to consider that part of the male population will be gay.
yea, but so will part of the female population

but 80/30 is 110

thats wrong
That's what our penis overlords want you to think.

yea, but so will part of the female population

Not enough for my liking...mmmm...jello wrestling...mmmm

That's what our penis overlords want you to think.

surely 110 is a woman subjugated to TWO men.

isn't that worse?

surely 01 is what HerPower should want

or 011111111?

surely 110 is a woman subjugated to TWO men.

isn't that worse?

surely 01 is what HerPower should want

or 011111111?
I think she's more 000 myself.

yea, but so will part of the female population

LM was talking about how great it would be for the male students tobe around so many girls. What I was trying to say, is that the males in that program only make up about a quarter of the entire program. A proportion of thoe guys would be gay so really there are only a few men who would beneift. Yes, I'd realize that therewould be gay women and perhaps they, too, would find the surplus of women to be a good thing.

I think she's more 000 myself.

She might be 0001 :).

That's what our penis overlords want you to think.

Oooh! OOOH! I want that title...

Gawdly: The Penis Overlord

She might be 0001 :).
Most 1's don't like 4-ways with fat lesbians.

surely 110 is a woman subjugated to TWO men.

isn't that worse?

surely 01 is what HerPower should want

or 011111111?

Now you're being leftist as well as everything else.
Wy should the left most symbol be the powerful one. Equality for all digits in a number! 100 = 010 = 001

110 is two men and one women. Female power see.

i say you all join the reject royalty. free oral sex, given freely.

i say you all join the reject royalty. free oral sex, given freely.

*reads post over a few times to be sure*

I'm on my way, zipper open, looking for freebies!

*Runs towards reject royalty thread*

*Runs towards reject royalty thread*
just dont forget the chest thread, okay?

i say you all join the reject royalty. free oral sex, given freely.
/me trips and falls on his face, gets up and gives chase

just dont forget the chest thread, okay?

Yes ma'am. Soon as I get a camera.

just dont forget the chest thread, okay?

Heya Occy? Just needed to tell ya that I just checked out your photo and...and...

*runs to bathroom quickly*

*returns 3 minutes later, smoking a cigarette*

...and wow, I mean...you are so...

*doesn't make it to bathroom this time, starts typing with one hand*

...yum I say, YUM!

/me trips and falls on his face, gets up and gives chase
*runs waaayy faster than you* :D
*waits impatiently over in the reject thread for more members*

Heya Occy? Just needed to tell ya that I just checked out your photo and...and...

*runs to bathroom quickly*

*returns 3 minutes later, smoking a cigarette*

...and wow, I mean...you are so...

*doesn't make it to bathroom this time, starts typing with one hand*

...yum I say, YUM!
i like being dinner!
and thankyou, by the way. thats very very nice of you.

*runs waaayy faster than you* :D
*waits impatiently over in the reject thread for more members*

Members? In both senses of the word I guess.

Can't be arsed to write it out

Yeah, I agree. Those eyes are just...

Back in a bit.

i like being dinner!
and thankyou, by the way. thats very very nice of you.

Darlin', you ain't just dinner: you are a buffet of beauty.

Are you "all-you-can-eat" by any chance? ;-)

you guys!!!!!!!!
open 24 hours, and the service is attentive, yet laid back

Darlin', you ain't just dinner: you are a buffet of beauty.

Are you "all-you-can-eat" by any chance? ;-)

Dear god, that's unbelievably cheesy.

*Jots it down in little black book*

*taps foot,waits for hot guys who flirt well to join the rebel thread*

*Looks around*

What, him?

*Pushes Gawdly into rebel thread*

*Looks around*

What, him?

*Pushes Gawdly into rebel thread*
and you. *pulls you in by the hair of your............... lets just say i followed your treasure trail to get there.*

*Clears throat nervously*

*Adjusts tie*

*Runs*

*Clears throat nervously*

*Adjusts tie*

*Runs*
tie, huh? hmm, we need a sexy business man. officer of the orifices, maybe?

Oooh! OOOH! I want that title...

Gawdly: The Penis Overlord

Sounds like a 70s porn star.



Anyway, I've got a serious question for HerPower: How would such a quota system be enforced? As I understand it, finding suitable candidates for a job is already quite a difficult task for a company. Wouldn't a lot of people protest if some kind of inflexible quota system was forced upon them? I imagine companies would lose a lot of money and MAN-hours if they had to fit such a quota when recruiting employees.

Anyway, I've got a serious question for HerPower: How would such a quota system be enforced? As I understand it, finding suitable candidates for a job is already quite a difficult task for a company. Wouldn't a lot of people protest if some kind of inflexible quota system was forced upon them? I imagine companies would lose a lot of money and MAN-hours if they had to fit such a quota when recruiting employees.
I know Im not HerPower, but...

Thats already been tried for the whole racial predjudism in the workplace problem. There are distinct reasons why Afirmative Action (in the States) and Equal Opportunity Employment (in Canada) didnt work and continue not to work. The same issues would come into play if employers were 'persuaded' to hire based on similar quotas in an effort to bring more 'womyn' into the workplace. No one benefits when an employer is not free to choose whoever they beleive will be best suited to a certain job.

I'm tired, and I'm tired of the hostility here. I am propsing something that would help womyn and men and you make it into something that sounds worse than patriarchy. It isn't. But you can't see that because you cling to your power with all the desperation of those destined to lose it. If anyone has serious questions, I will try to come back tomorow to answe them.
please please please spell women properly you have no idea how much your spelling of women irrataes me.

Man power!

*shrugs, goes back to watching football*

These threads are entertaining.

Too bad I have to leave and go do manly things...

*burps, scratches self, eats ice cream with hot sauce on in and then goes into the crapper... er, reading room for three hours.*