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For thousands of years womyn have been chattel. They have been possessions belonging first to their fathers, then their husbands, and in widowhood, to their sons. Only very recently and only in a few countries have womyn belonged completely to themselves. But shi is still at the mercy of men. Shi is made a victim of violence and rape at the hands of men. Shi is paid less, works harder in the home and outside it than men. Shi makes up 52 per cent of the population, but shi is not represented equaly in any country. Men still control politics and shape societies to their own benefit, leaving womyn to the domestic chores, the child raising and the meaningless games of seduction.

What has man done in all his years of rule but cause countless wars and unspeakable violence? He has made property out of his fellow man, but beneath even the lowest slave has always been womyn. Your patriarchy has soaked the world in blood and it shows no signs of stopping. It is time for womyn to take their chance, and to take back their power. It is time for a matriarchy.

Not a bad idea. Just promise to drop the alternative spellings and you've got my vote. :)

So, I see! The solution to gender inequality is by making males unequal?

Ok, underlining various words ain't helping your cause.

Besides, whos this Shi person anyway?

Meh. It won't make any difference. The sort of women who would take power would just be the female equivalents of the men already in power.

Not a bad idea. Just promise to drop the alternative spellings and you've got my vote. :)
I understand that the spelling of womyn and shi upset people. Please try to understand that it is very important to me to keep this spelling. It does not change the way the word is pronounced. We don't change words like her to hyr because it doesn't sound right when you say it. Womyn and shi are political words for politcal speech and we don't expect these words to change in dictionaries or anywhere else.

Actually, check your history a little better. Some cultures held women as chattel, some didn't. Denegration of women has never been a Universal thing.

As for matriarchy, well, suit yourself, but I bow to nobody.

Oh ... and don't forget ... quite a few of those wars were fought over women. ;)

Someone needs some chocolate.

So, I see! The solution to gender inequality is by making males unequal?
No, it is to shift the balance of power. Womyn will not have to make men chattel as they have made us chattel. We only want a chance to shape the world for the better. After thousands of years man has not solved his problem of violence, and I am saying that it is time to let womyn try. What have we got to lose?

Someone needs some chocolate.
The opposite, I think someone needs to have their chocolate taken away, too much chocolate causes hyperactivity, as shown here.

Ok, underlining various words ain't helping your cause.

Besides, whos this Shi person anyway?
The Shi are a group from Fallout. :D

And seriously, I don't support a matriarchy OR a patriarchy. I prefer an anarchy (no rulers). Hurrah. And I AM a feminist.

Meh. It won't make any difference. The sort of women who would take power would just be the female equivalents of the men already in power.
All womyn need to take power, even the ones who do not want it. We do not need more despots in womyn's bodies. We must have mothers, sisters, daughters, grandaughters and so on working together in governments around the world to form a matriarchy. We do not want to mirror the patriarchy that exists. Our form of governments would be different.

Chattel? Good idea! I'd love to be able to buy and sell women. There's great profit potential in that. I like how you think. The Patriarchy and I will get on that right away. BTW, Herpower, you're alright in my book. I'm making you an honorary man.

So, I see! The solution to gender inequality is by making males unequal?
i was gonna say the same thing. discrimination against women to be replaced by discrimination against men? sounds great...


edit: ok just read your reply to Kanabia's post. if you want equality why not simply argue the case for that rather than argue a case specifically against men? :confused:

What have we got to lose?Your eggs. Every month. JUST KIDDING!

I understand that the spelling of womyn and shi upset people. Please try to understand that it is very important to me to keep this spelling. It does not change the way the word is pronounced. We don't change words like her to hyr because it doesn't sound right when you say it. Womyn and shi are political words for politcal speech and we don't expect these words to change in dictionaries or anywhere else.

Bah. It doesn't upset me at all. It just looks silly. Sure, the words were spelt the way they are now to show male superiority, but it doesn't mean anything anymore.

Ok, underlining various words ain't helping your cause.

Besides, whos this Shi person anyway?
I think they were the oppressed majority in Iraq.

Actually, check your history a little better. Some cultures held women as chattel, some didn't. Denegration of women has never been a Universal thing.

As for matriarchy, well, suit yourself, but I bow to nobody.

Oh ... and don't forget ... quite a few of those wars were fought over women. ;)
Did womyn ask to be foght over? And were they fought over for the right to protect them and own them? The majority of cultures has treated womyn as chattel and the cultures that did not were seen as weak and conquered. Just look at what happend to the matriarchy of the Natives of North America. Female godesses were worshipped by many people even in Europe before the male God was forced on them. Since then, womyn have been put into an inferior position and that has only changed very slightly in the thousands of years since.

:rolleyes: how about you go shave your legs and read a dictionary?


EDIT: oops, i spelt about wrong, oh the irony

No, it is to shift the balance of power. Womyn will not have to make men chattel as they have made us chattel. We only want a chance to shape the world for the better. After thousands of years man has not solved his problem of violence, and I am saying that it is time to let womyn try. What have we got to lose?

Oh, see, I don't have a problem with having equal rights and representation for women in all areas.

But, I have to agree with Preebles. I dont support a matriarchy or a patriarchy...

The opposite, I think someone needs to have their chocolate taken away, too much chocolate causes hyperactivity, as shown here.
Ghandi said at first they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Laugh all you want. My arguements are real.

I can underline words too. Evidentally it helps my arguement.

:rolleyes: how about you go shave your legs and read a dictionary?


EDIT: oops, i spelt about wrong, oh the irony
I think this is one woman who doesn't want power...

What have we got to lose? Everything...

Surely this thread has got to be a joke. "Shi?" Come ON.

The Shi are a group from Fallout. :D

And seriously, I don't support a matriarchy OR a patriarchy. I prefer an anarchy (no rulers). Hurrah. And I AM a feminist.
Anarchy will just allow the men to rule in more sutle ways. Why shouldn't womyn have a chance to try? No one questions the right of men to rule, and yet everyone questions the right of womyn to rule. Don't you think that womyn are more able to create gender equality than men, especially since we have been the victims of such vile inequality ourselves?

Ghandi said at first they laugh at you, then they fight you
Nah, I'm having too much fun on the first part, still laughing, I'll let you know when I'm done.

Chattel? Good idea! I'd love to be able to buy and sell women. There's great profit potential in that. I like how you think. The Patriarchy and I will get on that right away. BTW, Herpower, you're alright in my book. I'm making you an honorary man.
That is so typical. You see strong womyn and you want to feel better about it by making them seem masculine. I don't need to be a man. As a womyn, I have my own power.

Anarchy will just allow the men to rule in more sutle ways.

Care to elaborate?

Why shouldn't womyn have a chance to try? No one questions the right of men to rule, and yet everyone questions the right of womyn to rule.

Clearly i'm not counted in everyone, then, 'cause I don't.

Anarchy will just allow the men to rule in more sutle ways. Why shouldn't womyn have a chance to try? No one questions the right of men to rule, and yet everyone questions the right of womyn to rule. Don't you think that womyn are more able to create gender equality than men, especially since we have been the victims of such vile inequality ourselves?
Women can never rule a country. What if they accidentally menstruate all over some important papers?

i was gonna say the same thing. discrimination against women to be replaced by discrimination against men? sounds great...


edit: ok just read your reply to Kanabia's post. if you want equality why not simply argue the case for that rather than argue a case specifically against men? :confused:
Because you can not get equality no matter how hard you try when half the world lives under an oppressive patriarchy that still treats womyn as chattel. In some countries, womyn have more freedom, but their society still makes them slaves to the home as well as forcing them to work outside it. Change is not happening fast enough. We don't want to wait another thousand years for improvement. When you work within a corrupt system, you become corrupt. it is time to change the system completely.

This forum is a magnet for people who have strong opinions and people who like to make fun of those people.

Anarchy will just allow the men to rule in more sutle ways. Why shouldn't womyn have a chance to try? No one questions the right of men to rule, and yet everyone questions the right of womyn to rule. Don't you think that womyn are more able to create gender equality than men, especially since we have been the victims of such vile inequality ourselves?
I disagree totally. In an anarchy women would attain full equality, and there would be NO RULERS.

And I think creating an equal society should be everyone's job, not just women. Here's a link on anarcha-feminism (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/secA3.html#seca35) .

Nah, I'm having too much fun on the first part, still laughing, I'll let you know when I'm done.
did you read her posts yesterday? they really cracked me up! I nearly wet myself laughing

That is so typical. You see strong womyn and you want to feel better about it by making them seem masculine. I don't need to be a man. As a womyn, I have my own power.
Lighten up guy. We're all cool here. It's not like there's any broads around you have to impress.

:rolleyes: how about you go shave your legs and read a dictionary?


EDIT: oops, i spelt about wrong, oh the irony
Stop being the spokesperson for men. Womyn like you do the job of the patriarchy by making fun of feminists and womyn who want to be more than just their physical apearence. My legs have nothing to do with my brain power.

Jesussaves has some serious competition.

I personally think that we are losing a good thing as the patriarchy slips away.

Whose bright idea was it to let women vote, anyways?

did you read her posts yesterday? they really cracked me up! I nearly wet myself laughing
Funnier than the stuff she posted today? DAAAAAAAAAAMN! I want a link!

Anarchy will just allow the men to rule in more sutle ways. Why shouldn't womyn have a chance to try? No one questions the right of men to rule, and yet everyone questions the right of womyn to rule. Don't you think that womyn are more able to create gender equality than men, especially since we have been the victims of such vile inequality ourselves?

No one ever said - as you are now saying - "hey, let's have it so the men rule the planet." That was never a conscious decision; there was no thread posted in General proposing it; there was no actor or act that enabled things to be so. It just happened that way.

When it comes to "ruling," it's about power and politics. They go hand in hand.

Why haven't women ruled, by and large? It's not in their nature. Power is not in your nature. Power must be grabbed, and held on to - you can't just whine about it on some forum somewhere and expect people to GIVE it to you. If you want a global matriarchal revolution, well you just go about convincing half the population of the world to go along with your plans, and then you forcibly remove all men from power. (By which time you've in a sense, become the men yourselves and nothin has changed.)

How many woMEN HEre agree with you? A lot fewer than half the population of the world, that's for sure. You've got a lot of work to do.

did you read her posts yesterday? they really cracked me up! I nearly wet myself laughing
i thought she was a joke or a puppet last night :p

HerPower, tone it down a bit and people might actually listen & not just take the piss :)


edit:
Funnier than the stuff she posted today? DAAAAAAAAAAMN! I want a link!
somewhere in the Prom Queen/King thread... about 20 pages back at a guess

http://www.spacefem.com/militantfeminist/05.jpg

The majority of cultures has treated womyn as chattel and the cultures that did not were seen as weak and conquered. Just look at what happend to the matriarchy of the Natives of North America. Female godesses were worshipped by many people even in Europe before the male God was forced on them.

Actually, only the Christian culture has oppressed women and imposed a male god on peoples. Granted, the Christian culture is very prolific, but might doesn't make right.

Take issue with the source, not the conquered. If a man has a priest breathing down his neck commanding him to oppress his wife or daughters, based on a letter written by the misogynist Paul, lest he face eternal damnation ... who do you fault?

Also, while I take no issue with Womyn or Shi or Hyr, you may want to learn to spell the rest of the vocabulary and learn a little grammar or you will never be taken seriously.

Oh, see, I don't have a problem with having equal rights and representation for women in all areas.

But, I have to agree with Preebles. I dont support a matriarchy or a patriarchy...
You do support a patriarchy if you support any of the current governments in the world. If you do not speak against them you support them.

I personally think that we are losing a good thing as the patriarchy slips away.

Whose bright idea was it to let women vote, anyways?
Yeah, did you know that after women got the vote WWII happened, nuclear weapons were invented, and islamic terrorism began?

I think this is one woman who doesn't want power...

Wrong. This is a woman WITH power...the power to decide for herself.

Stop being the spokesperson for men. Womyn like you do the job of the patriarchy by making fun of feminists and womyn who want to be more than just their physical apearence. My legs have nothing to do with my brain power.
I have no problem with womEn who use their brains, I think women should have a choice to live their lives however they want, if they want to use their looks it's up to them and it's not right for you to discourage that. And clearly you're not that smart, you can't even spell properly

You do support a patriarchy if you support any of the current governments in the world. If you do not speak against them you support them.

Hahaha, oh the irony of that statement. :D

Stop being the spokesperson for men. Womyn like you do the job of the patriarchy by making fun of feminists and womyn who want to be more than just their physical apearence. My legs have nothing to do with my brain power.

...and thank Gawd fer that...no one likes a hairy brain.

Shi, womyn ... what's next? Female = Femayl?
:rolleyes:

Yeah, did you know that after women got the vote WWII happened, nuclear weapons were invented, and islamic terrorism began?

Womyn must be stopped.

I disagree totally. In an anarchy women would attain full equality, and there would be NO RULERS.

And I think creating an equal society should be everyone's job, not just women. Here's a link on anarcha-feminism (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/secA3.html#seca35) .
The link doesn't work. Anarchofeminists are male apologists.

Womyn must be stopped.
We must marry and impregnate all of them. Taking care of a husband and kids should keep them too busy to destroy the world.

Lighten up guy. We're all cool here. It's not like there's any broads around you have to impress.
That you speak this way about womyn only proves you hold them in contempt. You are part of the problem that needs fixing.

The link doesn't work. Anarchofeminists are male apologists.
Actually the link does work, and maybe you should read it before you go crazy there...

Anyone who's spoken to me knows that I'm not a "male apologist."

For thousands of years womyn have been chattel. They have been possessions belonging first to their fathers, then their husbands, and in widowhood, to their sons. Only very recently and only in a few countries have womyn belonged completely to themselves. But shi is still at the mercy of men. Shi is made a victim of violence and rape at the hands of men. Shi is paid less, works harder in the home and outside it than men. Shi makes up 52 per cent of the population, but shi is not represented equaly in any country. Men still control politics and shape societies to their own benefit, leaving womyn to the domestic chores, the child raising and the meaningless games of seduction.

What has man done in all his years of rule but cause countless wars and unspeakable violence? He has made property out of his fellow man, but beneath even the lowest slave has always been womyn. Your patriarchy has soaked the world in blood and it shows no signs of stopping. It is time for womyn to take their chance, and to take back their power. It is time for a matriarchy.

You know that if you wanted to be consistant you would not have called yourself HerPower?

You do support a patriarchy if you support any of the current governments in the world. If you do not speak against them you support them.

Seems like I'm ok then.

I don't support any government. Patriarchal or matriarchal, I don't care.

Mostly, what I'm wondering, is why the rhetoric?

I mean ... you do realize that you're asking for power from men. If we give it to you, does that actually count?

No, it doesn't. I'd much rather see you stop posting on anonymous internet forums and go out and *take* power. Go do something about it. You'll get nowhere here. Max Barry, a man, controls these forums and I don't see that changing.

Womyn must be stopped.
just give them more ironing to do

That you speak this way about womyn only proves you hold them in contempt. You are part of the problem that needs fixing.
Will you marry me? Bear my children? Cook my meals? I think I love you.

The link doesn't work. Anarchofeminists are male apologists.
Rather a male apologist then a female chauvanist.

I personally think that we are losing a good thing as the patriarchy slips away.

Whose bright idea was it to let women vote, anyways?
Womyn fouight hard for the vote and it was men who fought against them. You have tried to stop us at every stage from gaining freedome and power and you still do it. In the rich countries womyn are told that they have won the war but it is a vicous lie!

We must marry and impregnate all of them. Taking care of a husband and kids should keep them too busy to destroy the world.

I am fully prepared to make that sacrifice if I must. I am very sure that any child my sperm produces would be more than enough to keep a womyn busy.

But a question, how do you pluralize womyn? I need to know how to address the mothers of my children.

That you speak this way about womyn only proves you hold them in contempt. You are part of the problem that needs fixing.
*gets toolbox out*
Prepare to be fixed!

Womyn fouight hard for the vote and it was men who fought against them. You have tried to stop us at every stage from gaining freedome and power and you

Umm no one that frequents these forums was alive around the time of female sufferage.

Womyn fouight hard for the vote and it was men who fought against them. You have tried to stop us at every stage from gaining freedome and power and you still do it. In the rich countries womyn are told that they have won the war but it is a vicous lie!

The only reason you have the limited freedom that you do have is sex. Otherwise we would have stopped you whenever we wanted.

EDIT: HerPower contains the word "He", I wonder how that slipped past her man radar.

ALSO: Does anyone know if the mods will change my name to HimPower?

On the surface it may appear that women arent equal, but in reality, I dont think this is the case.
In my little world of family and friends, women are far more than just housewives. Most of the women I am associated with are college graduates with meaningful degrees and successful careers. Women I know have a major decision making role in household/family decisons. Where I work, there seems to be an even mix of women in middle and upper management positions and from what I can see, they did earn what they have. I dont know any women in the "chattel" category, at least not in middle America.
And maybe there arent as many women in politics because on the whole, its such a phony, duplicitous profession. Maybe they are better than that.
I dont know-its just my opinion, from my experience.

No one ever said - as you are now saying - "hey, let's have it so the men rule the planet." That was never a conscious decision; there was no thread posted in General proposing it; there was no actor or act that enabled things to be so. It just happened that way.

When it comes to "ruling," it's about power and politics. They go hand in hand.

Why haven't women ruled, by and large? It's not in their nature. Power is not in your nature. Power must be grabbed, and held on to - you can't just whine about it on some forum somewhere and expect people to GIVE it to you. If you want a global matriarchal revolution, well you just go about convincing half the population of the world to go along with your plans, and then you forcibly remove all men from power. (By which time you've in a sense, become the men yourselves and nothin has changed.)

How many woMEN HEre agree with you? A lot fewer than half the population of the world, that's for sure. You've got a lot of work to do.
Men took power conscously. They made laws that made womyn chattel. They made laws that imposed their male religions on womyn. It did not just happen. It happened with violence and blood and hatred and that is how it has stayed.

Womyn have been told for centuries that they are weaker and that men are the ones who are capable of ruling. Womyn are raised to believe they are less than men even when they are taught that they are equal. They are taught they are equal but in reality they are not. They are paid less, do more work in the home and must keep themselves attractive or lose their place in their marriage. The womyn who know this must seize power and keep it first. Then they msut give all womyn the chance to realize their full potential. The change must happen now, not when all womyn are convinced it should happen because too many womyn are male apologists or too scared to fight.

You do support a patriarchy if you support any of the current governments in the world. If you do not speak against them you support them.

But I DONT support any of them. I'm an anarchist.

I repeat myself- I don't support a patriarchy or a matriarchy. I believe in equality.

Will you marry me? Bear my children? Cook my meals? I think I love you.
Until womyn are free from being the vesels of children and the domestic servents of men, there will never be gender equality. Children should be a choice, not an imposition.

HerPower, you remind me of Akasha from The Vampire Chronicles...

Things will just go horribly wrong! :p

Men took power conscously. They made laws that made womyn chattel. They made laws that imposed their male religions on womyn. It did not just happen. It happened with violence and blood and hatred and that is how it has stayed.

Womyn have been told for centuries that they are weaker and that men are the ones who are capable of ruling. Womyn are raised to believe they are less than men even when they are taught that they are equal. They are taught they are equal but in reality they are not. They are paid less, do more work in the home and must keep themselves attractive or lose their place in their marriage. The womyn who know this must seize power and keep it first. Then they msut give all womyn the chance to realize their full potential. The change must happen now, not when all womyn are convinced it should happen because too many womyn are male apologists or too scared to fight.

What happens to myn in your grand scheme of things?

From http://www.westegg.com/etymology/

Woman
From the Old English "Wyfmon," meaning, "wife."

So changing, woman to womyn does absolute nothing.

Well now, An interesting debate. Let me give an opinion. Yes Goddess worship has declined with Christianity.. sad but others push on... Yes Women have been given she shaft in a lot of places for a lot of years.. sucks... But really take a look at how things tend to be going... where once males stayed and took responsibility for their offspring many just run out now... So you have generations of Males being raised by female dominated families. These males may have a better understanding of what women go though and perhaps a little more rounded view then some of the macho idiots before them... There is hope for change.

Not to say I hate men... *laughs* they are fine.. I just despair of any who think what lies between their legs make them special. But that goes for women too in a way...
But I have to say... if most of the male population died for one reason or another we women could repopulate within a generation or two... If most of the female population died... you guys would be screwed...

Until womyn are free from being the vesels of children and the domestic servents of men, there will never be gender equality. Children should be a choice, not an imposition.

Okay, okay, I will have the children if you marry me.

Actually, only the Christian culture has oppressed women and imposed a male god on peoples. Granted, the Christian culture is very prolific, but might doesn't make right.

Take issue with the source, not the conquered. If a man has a priest breathing down his neck commanding him to oppress his wife or daughters, based on a letter written by the misogynist Paul, lest he face eternal damnation ... who do you fault?

Also, while I take no issue with Womyn or Shi or Hyr, you may want to learn to spell the rest of the vocabulary and learn a little grammar or you will never be taken seriously.
The Christians are not th eonly ones who have oppressed womyn. Islam and Judaism and all other monotheistic male religions have treated womyn like possessions. It is not important if the original founders of a religions meant well if their followers do great evil in their name

Until womyn are free from being the vesels of children and the domestic servents of men, there will never be gender equality. Children should be a choice, not an imposition.
yes! great idea! let's start impregnating men!

I have no problem with womEn who use their brains, I think women should have a choice to live their lives however they want, if they want to use their looks it's up to them and it's not right for you to discourage that. And clearly you're not that smart, you can't even spell properly
Keep insulting me to hide your insecurity. My spelling is not as important as my message.

No, it is to shift the balance of power. Womyn will not have to make men chattel as they have made us chattel. We only want a chance to shape the world for the better. After thousands of years man has not solved his problem of violence, and I am saying that it is time to let womyn try. What have we got to lose?

Matriarchy is women in power and patriarchy is men in power, either way you end up oppressing about one half of humanity. As I see it there is only a superficial difference between the two, both is the result of scared weaklings that are to thick headed to look beyond their own limited worldviews.
But as a very individualistic man, I can only tell you this much. Anybody (man or woman) trying to oppress or devaluate me on the basis of something as stupid as my gender, better be ready to stand up and fight. By fighting I refer both to more civilized approached such as debates, legal action, etc, but if necessary also to the more physical variety.

Oh and what do we got to lose? Nothing except for the idea that every human being is valuable no matter its race, nationality or gender.

From http://www.westegg.com/etymology/

Woman
From the Old English "Wyfmon," meaning, "wife."

So changing, woman to womyn does absolute nothing.

I like that old word.

Maybe we should change the word to wyfe.

Keep insulting me to hide your insecurity. My spelling is not as important as my message.

I agree, you people are making too big of a deal out of the way she spells woomin.

Keep insulting me to hide your insecurity. My spelling is not as funny as my message.
I couldn't agree more. Now go make me a sandwich womyn!

*fidgets*
Stop giving feminists a bad name!

I couldn't agree more. Now go make me a sandwich womyn!

Could you get her to make me one, too, Sanctaphrax?

EDIT: No mayo, please.

On the surface it may appear that women arent equal, but in reality, I dont think this is the case.
In my little world of family and friends, women are far more than just housewives. Most of the women I am associated with are college graduates with meaningful degrees and successful careers. Women I know have a major decision making role in household/family decisons. Where I work, there seems to be an even mix of women in middle and upper management positions and from what I can see, they did earn what they have. I dont know any women in the "chattel" category, at least not in middle America.
And maybe there arent as many women in politics because on the whole, its such a phony, duplicitous profession. Maybe they are better than that.
I dont know-its just my opinion, from my experience.
Womyn are fooled into thinking they are equal now in our countries. But they are still paid less money and do more work in the home than men. They still do not hold as much political power as men and they are told that they aren't suited for it instead of the truth that men don't want them to have it. In the rest of the world, womyn are raped and beaten and murdered by their own familys to protect male honour. That is not freedom. If that is as far as things have changed in the last two thousand years it is clear that men are unable to create gender equalituy.

The womEn who have held power in history, namely Catherine the Great (though I don't know what was so "great" about her oppressive, illegal regime), Elizabeth the 1st (who presided over an economic slump, and left no direct heir), Joan of Arc (a religious fanatic), Indira Gandhi (architect of the 1975-1977 Indian "state of emergency") Sirimavo Bandaranaike (who presided over nepotism and "reeducation camps"), and Isabella the Catholic (who shared her husband's guilt in the Spanish Inquisition) have not particularly impressed me as champions of humanity, peace, or freedom. They have generally been as tyrannical and oppressive as their male counterparts, or worse. The most reformist rulers have actually been men. It is men who have advocated most revolutions (the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the 2nd Russian Revolution, the Hungarian Revolution, the Prague Spring, the 1830 and 1848 Revolutions, the Mexican Revolutions, the revolution against Napoleon the 3rd in 1870, the German Revolution of 1918, the East German uprising of 1953, and most notably, the American Revolution of 1776). That is not say that some women aren't great humanists, but the ones in power have not impressed to the point of advocating matriarchy.

Could you get her to make me one, too, Sanctaphrax?
I'll ask her.
OY! WOMYN! TWO SANDWICHES, RIGHT NOW!

The Christians are not th eonly ones who have oppressed womyn. Islam and Judaism and all other monotheistic male religions have treated womyn like possessions. It is not important if the original founders of a religions meant well if their followers do great evil in their name

Actually, Judaism and Islam hold women as equals to men. The only role assigned in either religion to men is that of "protector" in a marriage. I'm 6'4 and was in the Army, hence, I will protect my wife. However, in Islam, notably in Qur'an, it is stated that wives are to be consulted on all matters and if her consent is not given, then that is the end of it. Protector doesn't mean Boss.

In Judaism, there are certain prayers and rituals that can only be performed by Women. It is also written in Talmud that God counts the tears of women.

As for your last sentence, horse hockey! If you think a few bad apples spoil a bunch, then you need to examine yourself. Women like Anne Coulter are making you look bad.

What happens to myn in your grand scheme of things?
Men will be allowed equality but that means that some of their power must be taken away first. In a Matriarchy, womyn will be the head of the household and the government. We will have true democracy, not this sham

Okay, okay, I will have the children if you marry me.
I will never enter into voluntary slavehood to be a man's wife and property.

Men took power conscously. They made laws that made womyn chattel. They made laws that imposed their male religions on womyn. It did not just happen. It happened with violence and blood and hatred and that is how it has stayed.

No. Men took power, from other men, not for "men" but for their own personal ambition. You seem to think there is a vast male-wing conspiracy. After all you've witnessed men do - violence, competition, war - you think everyone with a penis is all buddy-buddy with each other, specifically and explicitly for (the main?) reason of keeping women "chattel?"

If so, you probably qualify for certain psychological disorders. (Insert babble about how psychology is another tool of the bourgeoise/males to opress the proletariat/female)

And a "male religion" is presumably a religion which - like yours - emphasizes gender inequality and increases hostility towards humanity based on your "my cooch is bigger than your dong" philosophy?


Womyn have been told for centuries that they are weaker and that men are the ones who are capable of ruling.

Well. Men rule. Why do you think that is, if women are perfectly capable and apparently desiring to rule?

What does this say about women, if you can be intentionally locked up so to speak, for thousands of years, and not ever be able to free yourselves? To me that speaks of a lack of competence that is NOT a selling point for any potential ruler. Do I want to be ruled by someone who can be 'kept down' by the vast man-wing conspiracy? Particularly when the VMWC doesn't even include all males (or if it does, most of us don't receive their newsletter, How To Oppress Womyn.)

The answer: of course not. You talk about seizing power... do it then.

Until that moment all you are is hot air.

*fidgets*
Stop giving feminists a bad name!

Dissention in the ranks! :D

Keep insulting me to hide your insecurity. My spelling is not as important as my message.
what exactly am i insecure about?

*fidgets*
Stop giving feminists a bad name!
It is the male apologists and the men that give feminists a bad name. They hate our message and they hate our power.

I will never enter into voluntary slavehood to be a man's wife and property.

Not even for a fair market price? The excessive body hair lowers the resale value, but I am sure I could offer you something reasonable.

No. Men took power, from other men, not for "men" but for their own personal ambition. You seem to think there is a vast male-wing conspiracy. After all you've witnessed men do - violence, competition, war - you think everyone with a penis is all buddy-buddy with each other, specifically and explicitly for (the main?) reason of keeping women "chattel?"

If so, you probably qualify for certain psychological disorders. (Insert babble about how psychology is another tool of the bourgeoise/males to opress the proletariat/female)

And a "male religion" is presumably a religion which - like yours - emphasizes gender inequality and increases hostility towards humanity based on your "my cooch is bigger than your dong" philosophy?



Well. Men rule. Why do you think that is, if women are perfectly capable and apparently desiring to rule?

What does this say about women, if you can be intentionally locked up so to speak, for thousands of years, and not ever be able to free yourselves? To me that speaks of a lack of competence that is NOT a selling point for any potential ruler. Do I want to be ruled by someone who can be 'kept down' by the vast man-wing conspiracy? Particularly when the VMWC doesn't even include all males (or if it does, most of us don't receive their newsletter, How To Oppress Womyn.)

The answer: of course not. You talk about seizing power... do it then.

Until that moment all you are is hot air.

I agree. Put up or shut up. If women want power so bad, go out and take it from men. Then you can run the beautiful matriarchy all you want. But don't talk about how you're going to put women on top and then expect men to graciously hand over power to you.

Dissention in the ranks! :D
:p
Well I've stated my position already: equality for everyone, which is unfortunately not what HerPower seems to want.

Besides, what happens with male feminists in her little world? o0

I understand that the spelling of womyn and shi upset people. .
it doesn't upset me, it makes me laugh. shi isn't far short of shit.

The womEn who have held power in history, namely Catherine the Great (though I don't know what was so "great" about her oppressive, illegal regime), Elizabeth the 1st (who presided over an economic slump, and left no direct heir), Joan of Arc (a religious fanatic), Indira Gandhi (architect of the 1975-1977 Indian "state of emergency") Sirimavo Bandaranaike (who presided over nepotism and "reeducation camps"), and Isabella the Catholic (who shared her husband's guilt in the Spanish Inquisition) have not particularly impressed me as champions of humanity, peace, or freedom. They have generally been as tyrannical and oppressive as their male counterparts, or worse. The most reformist rulers have actually been men. It is men who have advocated most revolutions (the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the 2nd Russian Revolution, the Hungarian Revolution, the Prague Spring, the 1830 and 1848 Revolutions, the Mexican Revolutions, the revolution against Napoleon the 3rd in 1870, the German Revolution of 1918, the East German uprising of 1953, and most notably, the American Revolution of 1776). That is not say that some women aren't great humanists, but the ones in power have not impressed to the point of advocating matriarchy.
That is because womyn have to exhibit masculine charateristics in order to be allowed power. They have to take all the evil of man and make it more in order to gain their position. That is why we can not succeed in a patriarchy, because the rules are fixed. A Matriarchy would be more loving, and caring than the violence of the patriofacists.

It is the male apologists and the men that give feminists a bad name. They hate our message and they hate our power.

speaking of insecurity, what are you talking about?

That is because womyn have to exhibit masculine charateristics in order to be allowed power. They have to take all the evil of man and make it more in order to gain their position. That is why we can not succeed in a patriarchy, because the rules are fixed. A Matriarchy would be more loving, and caring than the violence of the patriofacists.

Subscribing to gender roles is not cool.

Men will be allowed equality but that means that some of their power must be taken away first. In a Matriarchy, womyn will be the head of the household and the government. We will have true democracy, not this sham

Putting wumin in power would be a horrible idea, I am around woomen all the time and the only time they work together is when they want to take a collective shit on someone they don't like.

That is because womyn have to exhibit masculine charateristics in order to be allowed power. They have to take all the evil of man and make it more in order to gain their position. That is why we can not succeed in a patriarchy, because the rules are fixed. A Matriarchy would be more loving, and caring than the violence of the patriofacists.

Why? Are women naturally more loving and caring then men?

Besides, what happens with male feminists in her little world? o0

Meh ... she doesn't seem to be in full possession of the facts (or faculties, for that matter), so I'm not lookin' for her to gain any ground at this point.

I happen to be a male feminist, but I doubt she'll thank me. :p

My guess: Puppet Troll!

A Matriarchy would be more loving, and caring than the violence of the patriofacists.

Actually no... Chinese culture used to have the matriachal system. Ended up quite ouchy..

That is because womyn have to exhibit masculine charateristics in order to be allowed power. They have to take all the evil of man and make it more in order to gain their position. That is why we can not succeed in a patriarchy, because the rules are fixed. A Matriarchy would be more loving, and caring than the violence of the patriofacists.

oh right. any woman that has power is defacto a man and not covered by the term "matriarchy"? So which women actually count as matriarchs? is it by any chance "women that agree with HerPower"?

In which case what you're saying is "let me and my mates be in charge". Which is what everybody says.

I agree. Put up or shut up. If women want power so bad, go out and take it from men. Then you can run the beautiful matriarchy all you want. But don't talk about how you're going to put women on top and then expect men to graciously hand over power to you.
We know that you will not give up your power willingly and we are prepared to use what means we have to seize it. That is the first step before a true Matriarchy can exist.

i can't believe this has got 100+ replies already... :eek:

We know that you will not give up your power willingly and we are prepared to use what means we have to seize it. That is the first step before a true Matriarchy can exist.

I'm a software developer. What power have I got? Do you think that I'm on a team of men that conspire to stop women getting power? What are you on?

It is the male apologists and the men that give feminists a bad name. They hate our message and they hate our power.

Who would be a male apologist? The only time a man should apologize is when he spills a beer in another man's house, or something like that, but never to a womin.

:p
Well I've stated my position already: equality for everyone, which is unfortunately not what HerPower seems to want.

Besides, what happens with male feminists in her little world? o0
Men who support womyn will be respected. Womyn who support the patriarchy will not be.

"my cooch is bigger than your dong"
It probably makes me a bad person, but that cracks me up...

Wow, a matriarchal society, what a concept!
Wish I'd thought of that.
Oh, nevermind.

Men will be allowed equality but that means that some of their power must be taken away first.

And if a myn has no power to give? They aren't a collective, they don't share, powerful myn are individuals. Don't drag a whole sex throught the mud just because you have a beef some arseholes that deny power from other myn as well as womyn.

In a Matriarchy, womyn will be the head of the household and the government. We will have true democracy, not this sham

Down with the government, and down with any notions that your sex (skin colour/ parents/ etc) grants you an automatic position of authority.

We know that you will not give up your power willingly and we are prepared to use what means we have to seize it. That is the first step before a true Matriarchy can exist.

Then do it, and stop talking about it. Go make your perfect world run by perfect women that is unaffected by all those solely male emotions like jealousy and greed and ambition.

That is because womyn have to exhibit masculine charateristics in order to be allowed power. They have to take all the evil of man and make it more in order to gain their position. That is why we can not succeed in a patriarchy, because the rules are fixed. A Matriarchy would be more loving, and caring than the violence of the patriofacists.

Sure, it's loving to take away my right to hold political office and be head of my household if I wish and my girl agrees to submit to me. Right. As for the other, let me say "Excuses, excuses."

Subscribing to gender roles is not cool.
Exactly. To succeed womyn have to act like men. That is wrong.

speaking of insecurity, what are you talking about?
I think she just needs to get laid, maybe find herself a nice girlfriend

i can't believe this has got 100+ replies already... :eek:

Some are still attempting to poke holes in her ideals.. well, like I always say.. You can't really convince people over the internet unless they keep an open mind from the start.

All womyn need to take power, even the ones who do not want it. We do not need more despots in womyn's bodies. We must have mothers, sisters, daughters, grandaughters and so on working together in governments around the world to form a matriarchy. We do not want to mirror the patriarchy that exists. Our form of governments would be different.

How is it that no-one even thought to ask this puppet about the hypocrisy in highlighted part of this post from page 1 of this thread.

Women have been oppressed throughout history, she says.
Her proposal, to oppress women further by making them do more than they are already doing.

Women need to take power = women need to have more responsability (whether they want it or not).
"We do not want more despots in women's bodies": I presume then she does not have a woman's body as her proposal is explicitly despotic.

(I have enough rwespect for the language to spell it correctly, even when quoting.)

Even if it happened by some odd reason the other side would be resentful of those in power like you are now...so nothing would really change....

Why? Are women naturally more loving and caring then men?
Yes. We raise children we care for men and our communities but we are never given credit for it. We are not the ones who start wars or religions that oppress people. You men have made a royal mess of things for thousands of years. Your time is up.

Exactly. To succeed womyn have to act like men. That is wrong.
Your saying that men are a certain way, and women are a certain way IS subscribing to gender roles. :rolleyes:

Exactly. To succeed womyn have to act like men. That is wrong.
i think you're putting too much emphasis on the gender based stereotypes yourself, luv. people are all different. men are different from each other, women are different from each other. such vague generalisations will obviously lead to a very simplistic view of whats wrong ( ie. men = bad, "womyn" = good, matriarchy = best)

Womyn are fooled into thinking they are equal now in our countries. But they are still paid less money and do more work in the home than men. They still do not hold as much political power as men and they are told that they aren't suited for it instead of the truth that men don't want them to have it. In the rest of the world, womyn are raped and beaten and murdered by their own familys to protect male honour. That is not freedom. If that is as far as things have changed in the last two thousand years it is clear that men are unable to create gender equalituy.


I agree women in other countries are probably treated very poorly,so I was careful to say I can only speak for my own experience. Women being raped and beaten anywhere is unacceptable and there is never a "reason" to justify it. The whole honor thing is crap. How about ritual circumcision? Thats another nice practice.
My wife and I share a lot of household duties-I have no problem wth preparing meals and cleaning and taking care of my children. And in my opinion, a "real man" can and does take an active part in all household funtions.
But my wife can make a better sandwich than I do, so I let her do that. Just like she lets me change the oil in the cars and clean gutters and cut down trees with a chainsaw.
But this is America and I have to imagine you are making general statements about some other country.

Men who support womyn will be respected. Womyn who support the patriarchy will not be.

So you don't want to give women the right to choose their leaders, eh? You're going to force them to choose women. You don't want equality, you want to be dictator.

Admit it and we'll move on.

Yes. We raise children we care for men and our communities but we are never given credit for it. We are not the ones who start wars or religions that oppress people. You men have made a royal mess of things for thousands of years. Your time is up.

So you are a sexist. Just checking.

oh right. any woman that has power is defacto a man and not covered by the term "matriarchy"? So which women actually count as matriarchs? is it by any chance "women that agree with HerPower"?

In which case what you're saying is "let me and my mates be in charge". Which is what everybody says.
We womyn will seize power in the name of all womyn. I do not want the power over everyone I want the power for all womyn to be free

HerPower, are you sure your not Condalisa Rice?

My guess: Puppet Troll!

My guess: Jesussaves

I'm still waiting to learn about my insecurities by the way.....

Yes. We raise children we care for men and our communities but we are never given credit for it. We are not the ones who start wars or religions that oppress people. You men have made a royal mess of things for thousands of years. Your time is up.

Hey, we give you cards on mother's day, and that is more than enough.

HerPower, are you sure your not Condalisa Rice?
:confused:

I think she just needs to get laid, maybe find herself a nice girlfriend
Again you insult me and say I need sex. Womyn used to be called hysterical for lack of sex and I guess we still say that about womyn we don't agree with.

Some are still attempting to poke holes in her ideals.. well, like I always say.. You can't really convince people over the internet unless they keep an open mind from the start.
good thinking and very true.
i still think she's gotta be a puppet... but whose :confused:

Yes. We raise children we care for men and our communities but we are never given credit for it. We are not the ones who start wars or religions that oppress people. You men have made a royal mess of things for thousands of years. Your time is up.


You live in a really sad and bitter place. Its not the same world my wife,daughter or mother live in though.

HerPower, are you sure your not Condalisa Rice?

Condi is more than willing to do a man's bidding if it advances her position in life. I don't think HerPower is willing to do that.

Can we ask the mods to let Vote Early back. Watching a "conversation" between HerPower and Vote Early would be fun :p

Again you insult me and say I need sex. Womyn used to be called hysterical for lack of sex and I guess we still say that about womyn we don't agree with.
People say that about men too.

i still think she's gotta be a puppet... but whose :confused:

"Every else takes full damage" is my guess.

Actually, only the Christian culture has oppressed women and imposed a male god on peoples. Granted, the Christian culture is very prolific, but might doesn't make right.



:confused: How can you say that; it's clearly wrong. Very wrong.

Until womyn are free from being the vesels of children and the domestic servents of men, there will never be gender equality. Children should be a choice, not an imposition.
Well, you didn't say no. Can I take that as a maybe, my love?

Men will be allowed equality but that means that some of their power must be taken away first. In a Matriarchy, womyn will be the head of the household and the government. We will have true democracy, not this sham

So for you, democracy equals forcing the elected men out of government and taking away the right to vote from 50% of the population. How is that any different from the Patriarchy? What do you plan to de with anybody who choose to resist?

Oh and about woman and voting, you only got the voting right because a bunch of men became convinced it was fair to hand it to you. So much for the evil male conspiracy :rolleyes:.

good thinking and very true.
i still think she's gotta be a puppet... but whose :confused:
You call me a puppet because you hate my ideas. No one is controlling me. I make my own way and my own decisions. You know that men have done nothing but spread hatred and violence through history, and they have used womyn as their stepping stones again and again. This has to end.

Her says women are not free now.. funny I am free to go where I please, raise my child how I please, Choose whom will have the pleasure of my company... Choose who I marry... No one dictates that to me...

My guess: Jesussaves
That kind of seems like a good bet, though HerPower is pretty articulate. I don't read much of Jesussaves, but isn't he kinda all over the place? Though the vitriol seems about right.

So for you, democracy equals forcing the elected men out of government and taking away the right to vote from 50% of the population. How is that any different from the Patriarchy? What do you plan to de with anybody who choose to resist?

Oh and about woman and voting, you only got the voting right because a bunch of men became convinced it was fair to hand it to you. So much for the evil male conspiracy :rolleyes:.
No. Men will still be able to vote. We aren't going to take away their freedome. But 52% of the positions in government will be held by womyn because we are 52% of the population. That is fair.

I think she just needs to get laid, maybe find herself a nice girlfriend

yeah that's it, just belittle her with pathetic insults....she's a little extreme but her points are sound. You, on the other hand, are vacuous in the extreme... :rolleyes:

That kind of seems like a good bet, though HerPower is pretty articulate. I don't read much of Jesussaves, but isn't he kinda all over the place? Though the vitriol seems about right.
A good speller can easily pretend to be otherwise when the main way for comunicating is typing.

You call me a puppet because you hate my ideas. No one is controlling me. I make my own way and my own decisions. You know that men have done nothing but spread hatred and violence through history, and they have used womyn as their stepping stones again and again. This has to end.

you need a :fluffle:
Make that :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

if women is spealt womyn
and girl is spealt grrl
and history is herstory

how do we spell 'troll'?

Well, you didn't say no. Can I take that as a maybe, my love?

She is having my children, and I am not taking sloppy seconds.

And she isn't stopping until she gives me a son.

Her says women are not free now.. funny I am free to go where I please, raise my child how I please, Choose whom will have the pleasure of my company... Choose who I marry... No one dictates that to me...
You are not free to get paid the same as men or to hold the same amount of political positions and womyn in the rest of the world are still chattel. How can you sleep at night knowing that womyn around the world are still suffering while you sleep in your supposed frredom?

That is because womyn have to exhibit masculine charateristics in order to be allowed power. They have to take all the evil of man and make it more in order to gain their position. That is why we can not succeed in a patriarchy, because the rules are fixed. A Matriarchy would be more loving, and caring than the violence of the patriofacists.
Masculine characteristics = evil?
I see where you're going with this. Women are all sweetness and light, men are evil neanderthals that destroy all they come into contact with. Nice enlightened position you have there.

No. Men will still be able to vote. We aren't going to take away their freedome. But 52% of the positions in government will be held by womyn because we are 52% of the population. That is fair.
Quotas aren't fair to the individual. It is a form of discrimination

Can we ask the mods to let Vote Early back. Watching a "conversation" between HerPower and Vote Early would be fun :p

OMG. Your a genius!! Seriously... hahaha.. Suddenly got me thinking of all the possible scenario's.

This is a brief lesson in NS terminology.
puppet is a person who has more than one nation. Therefore we think that you are another troll come back.

yeah that's it, just belittle her with pathetic insults....she's a little extreme but her points are sound. You, on the other hand, are vacuous in the extreme... :rolleyes:

Behind everything there are maybe two valid complaints. Her points and position are about as sound as the mad hatter. She argues that discrimination is wrong and proposes discrimination. Very sound.

FairyTInkArisen is entitled to her opinion as well, and what she said may not have been an insult, it may have been a genuine belief.

if women is spealt womyn
and girl is spealt grrl
and history is herstory

how do we spell 'troll'?
Tryll?

Quotas aren't fair to the individual. It is a form of discrimination
No it is a method to ensure equality.

You call me a puppet because you hate my ideas. No one is controlling me. I make my own way and my own decisions. You know that men have done nothing but spread hatred and violence through history, and they have used womyn as their stepping stones again and again. This has to end.
i don't hate your ideas. i think they're a little extreme and quite misguided. i still don't see how you can justify the discrimination agianst one gender when deploring the supposed discrimination of the other.

furthermore, where is your evidence, your carefully constructed, logical and rational arguement that "womyn" would run the world better than men?


i'm quite willing to listen, but you have to convince me, not just spew a load of hatred towards the male gender at me

System Scan Completed:
Troll Score: 563/1000
Likelyhood of Puppet Troll:87%
Likelyhood that controoled mispellings are because she cannot except that she is decended from a male:33%
Likelyhood that mispellings are an attempt to just cause more trolling:67%
Conclusion:Obvious Troll, HerPower is just pining for attention, Congrats, you got attention. :D

Jeez...when I went to get food 45 minutes ago, this was on page 3. Never seen a thread go like this...

No it is a method to ensure equality.

Quota's ensure Equality?? No way...

if women is spealt womyn
and girl is spealt grrl
and history is herstory

how do we spell 'troll'?

HerPower?

You are not free to get paid the same as men or to hold the same amount of political positions and womyn in the rest of the world are still chattel. How can you sleep at night knowing that womyn around the world are still suffering while you sleep in your supposed frredom?

I get payed for the work I do... I do not wish to hold some of the jobs that men do now... Nor do I wish to have political positon... What I can do anything about I Do something about.. I take care of myself and those I am reponsible for... I raise my son to have a healthy respect for women in general... I am marrying someone who has the same ideals I do.. I believe in changing things one mind at a time even if I have to raise them myself... :-)

You call me a puppet because you hate my ideas. No one is controlling me. I make my own way and my own decisions. You know that men have done nothing but spread hatred and violence through history, and they have used womyn as their stepping stones again and again. This has to end.


I thought men were controlling you?

I think men did a few things other than spread hatred and violence through history. ANd some of them may have done it on their own without using women as "stepping stones".
When our "time is up", will "HIStory" start being called "HERstory"? Might as well start fresh accross the board,right?

good thinking and very true.
i still think she's gotta be a puppet... but whose :confused:
Well I hope it's a female because I proposed marriage, and gay marriage isn't allowed in the USA.

Quota's ensure Equality?? No way...
If we do not enforce these quotas then how can we have equality?

:confused: How can you say that; it's clearly wrong. Very wrong.
No, allowing men to beat their wives, divorce them for any reason, have up to four of them, that's all out of love and respect for women.

No it is a method to ensure equality.
No it isn't.

By placing quotas you are restricting the right of the individual.

All your proposing is a way to subjigate both sexes instead of liberating them.

have up to four of them, that's all out of love and respect for women.
Its a part of George W Bush's "No Woman Left Unmarried" act:p

Tryll?

Hmm.. Lets analytically question that..

Women = Womyn
Girl= Grrl
history = Herstory..

Okay... E Becomes Y
I Become R
I becomes E??

I'm quite curious about the rest of the vowels. How about A, O and U.

Might just be trRll

She is having my children, and I am not taking sloppy seconds.

And she isn't stopping until she gives me a son.
Sir, you have insulted the honor of my betrothed. I challenge you to a duel. Choose your weapon.

No it isn't.

By placing quotas you are restricting the right of the individual.

All your proposing is a way to subjigate both sexes instead of liberating them.
The individual right is only the male individual right. The womyn already have had their rights subjigated. If we have to have quotas to change that we will. When men have realized that this system is less violent and more focussed on change we will no longer need quotas.

We know that you will not give up your power willingly and we are prepared to use what means we have to seize it. That is the first step before a true Matriarchy can exist.

What, you gal's gonna stop putting out? Been there, lived that.

yeah that's it, just belittle her with pathetic insults....she's a little extreme but her points are sound. You, on the other hand, are vacuous in the extreme... :rolleyes:
her points are all crap, funny crap, but still crap. And you can call me vacuous al lyou want but I don't see how you can get that from one post

No. Men will still be able to vote. We aren't going to take away their freedome. But 52% of the positions in government will be held by womyn because we are 52% of the population. That is fair.

I see, so what if a woman want to vote for a male candidate because she fells his views are the closest to her own?

If we do not enforce these quotas then how can we have equality?

Best person for the job? no? OK just a thought.

Oh yeah, FYI, I have worked for more femail bosses than male.
(sorry, but 3 out of 4 have been worse than the 3 male bosses)

No. Men will still be able to vote. We aren't going to take away their freedome. But 52% of the positions in government will be held by womyn because we are 52% of the population. That is fair.

You can't guarantee such a "fair result" in a truly free election. People will vote how they damn well please, which is part of the part of free elections. And democracy is NOT freedom, it's the tyranny of the mob, the majority, unchecked, unbalanced, and unrestrained. True freedom is found in a republic, where people choose their rulers, and those rulers are restrained by laws.

:sniper: :headbang: :mp5:

If we do not enforce these quotas then how can we have equality?

There's many other ways of promoting equality, and in what area are you proposing we tackle?

Jobs? Education?

This quota idea has me thinking.

How about we do ages, sex, race, hair colour, eye colour, surname and shoe-size quotas?

Then EVERYONE is represented fairly

No. Men will still be able to vote. We aren't going to take away their freedome. But 52% of the positions in government will be held by womyn because we are 52% of the population. That is fair.

...and stupid. The BEST people should have the job, not just a percentile-based tupperware party.

I see, so what if a woman want to vote for a male candidate because she fells his views are the closest to her own?
Female candidates will be run in some areas and male candidates in others to keep it equal. If there are only female candidates, the people must choose from them.

Behind everything there are maybe two valid complaints. Her points and position are about as sound as the mad hatter. She argues that discrimination is wrong and proposes discrimination. Very sound.

FairyTInkArisen is entitled to her opinion as well, and what she said may not have been an insult, it may have been a genuine belief.

Of course it was.
Anyway, some of the points she has made ARE sound...although I definitely agree the counter-discrimination is ridiculous. Fact is, you can apply all the things said about women to any 'minority' group....difference here is that women aren't a minority. So why are they discriminated against?

Men too for that matter Why do so many boys get bullied for not being footballing roughhouses or laddish?

I dont think I will be able to live in this new wyrld-unless I go to school again to learn all the new improved ways to spell the wyrds. I am triing tough.

The mandatory castration is going to be a sad time too, because that seems to be the root of all evil. But on the bryght syde, I thynk the franfurter and spam production will increase shortly after the "dis-membering" begins. No sense continuing with male evil wastefulness.

I feel like being VoteEarly and being an ass simply quoting the Old Testament for the heck of it, man.. I miss VoteEarly.. Didn't agree nearly all he say but he sure bring a very right winged view to this forum... :D But then again, HerPower could most likely be an atheist :p

When men have realized that this system is less violent and
more focussed on change we will no longer need quotas.

This is why women are incapable of running society.

There's many other ways of promoting equality, and in what area are you proposing we tackle?

Jobs? Education?
Jobs must also have gender quotas. Just as many men as womyn should be daycare workers. Just as many womyn as men should be CEOs.

HerPower: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8444510&postcount=158 :confused:

Hmm.. Lets analytically question that..

Women = Womyn
Girl= Grrl
history = Herstory..

Okay... E Becomes Y
I Become R
I becomes E??

I'm quite curious about the rest of the vowels. How about A, O and U.

Might just be trRll

You missed out

She = Shi.

Which begs the question concerning "Herstory" since Female chauvanists find anything word that describes a feminine and contains something vaguely masculine offensive/whatever, surely Herstory is just as incorrect?

The individual right is only the male individual right. The womyn already have had their rights subjigated. If we have to have quotas to change that we will. When men have realized that this system is less violent and more focussed on change we will no longer need quotas.

Seems like my bad spelling is contagious.

So what your proposing is to take away male individual rights to make them equal to women (since in your worldview they don't have individual rights). Why not just give women indivual rights? Left people suceed or fail based on their own action, ie allow people to be who they are, not what they are.

This quota idea has me thinking.
How about we do ages, sex, race, hair colour, eye colour, surname and shoe-size quotas?
Then EVERYONE is represented fairly

You forgot nose size. You nosist bastard. :D J/k

Of course it was.
Anyway, some of the points she has made ARE sound...although I definitely agree the counter-discrimination is ridiculous. Fact is, you can apply all the things said about women to any 'minority' group....difference here is that women aren't a minority. So why are they discriminated against?

Men too for that matter Why do so many boys get bullied for not being footballing roughhouses or laddish?

...because they're fygs??

another thyng I am wondering about- when this balance of power changes, will white men still be the blithering, bumbling idiots in the commercials and sitcoms? Or when we decend to the bottom of the social ladder, will we be portrayed as clever, tolerant and cool?

Sir, you have insulted the honor of my betrothed. I challenge you to a duel. Choose your weapon.

I choose my irrepressible wit and my inherent misongyny.

You forgot nose size. You nosist bastard. :D J/k

damn small nosies. You shall not hold political office!

her points are all crap, funny crap, but still crap. And you can call me vacuous al lyou want but I don't see how you can get that from one post

I can get that from the fact that you didn't even attempt to invalidate her points with an argument, you just implied she was a man hating lesbian (beautiful piece of vacuous prejudice) and was making all her points on an emotional level only (vacuous assumption)..... :D

another thyng I am wondering about- when this balance of power changes, will white men still be the blithering, bumbling idiots in the commercials and sitcoms? Or when we decend to the bottom of the social ladder, will we be portrayed as clever, tolerant and cool?

like the clever, tolerant, cool black / desi / asian people in frasier? or friends?

Hmm.. Lets analytically question that..

Women = Womyn
Girl= Grrl
history = Herstory..

Okay... E Becomes Y
I Become R
I becomes E??

I'm quite curious about the rest of the vowels. How about A, O and U.

Might just be trRll

dont forget- "freedom" became "frredom"

This is why women are incapable of running society.

No, they can't run society because they are irrational and weak.

I can get that from the fact that you didn't even attempt to invalidate her points with an argument, you just implied she was a man hating lesbian (beautiful piece of vacuous prejudice) and was making all her points on an emotional level only (vacuous assumption)..... :D
I'm too busy laughing at her to bother coming up wth arguments

Jobs must also have gender quotas. Just as many men as womyn should be daycare workers. Just as many womyn as men should be CEOs.
I fully agree, so lots more female building contractors, lots more female mechanics as well. Sounds fair.

There is anthropological evidence, which I'm not net savvy enough to find and link, of indegenius tribes that are matriarical. These are isolated little tribes that have never heard of Abrahamic religions, Father Knows Best, Cosmo, etc. etc.

What they found in these tribes is that those in charge act like people in charge. They are boorish, forceful, they act privilaged. The men in those tribes where subserviant, cared for the homes and children, gossiped amongst themselves, sucumb to vanity.

So-it's not about one gender would be better than the other, it really is that no gender should be 'in charge.' Women have a struggle, because most of the base of the premise is true-women are paid less and are under-represented. No one is talking to me about my biological clock or concerned that if I don't act soon I might die alone. I'm a dude. I can be as childless as I like and no one is going to give a rats ass. (some might view me not breeding as a plus for society in general, but thats another issue.) Not so much true for a woman the same age as me. (though, there is more to that-as Tony Randall so ably demonstrated, I can spawn at any point really should I decide to do it late late late in life-and presuming there is a woman around willing to put up with it. That isn't true for women, if they don't have children by a certain age that ship sails. So there are mitigating circumstances that contribute to the presure.)

I am about half on HerPower side, in that I understand that sometimes you have to rub the dogs nose in the poop to make him understand why he's sleeping outside tonight, so being confrontational isn't all bad. That being said, there is a fine line between confrontational and irrational. That line is really whats being argued here.

I can get that from the fact that you didn't even attempt to invalidate her points with an argument, you just implied she was a man hating lesbian (beautiful piece of vacuous prejudice) and was making all her points on an emotional level only (vacuous assumption)..... :D

it's not vacuous prejudice.

She clearly dislikes men - she has claimed men have evil characteristics.

As she dislikes me, in order for her to be sexually attracted to someone, they must NOT be a man.

So man hating lesbian is not such a leap of prejudice, more a reasonable assumption.

Jobs must also have gender quotas. Just as many men as womyn should be daycare workers. Just as many womyn as men should be CEOs.
What if the [wo]man isn't qualified for the job? Your forced equality could mean that under qualified people are put in important positions.

You want to take all forms of free will from the individual just to indulge your own bureaucratic fantasy where people can be filed and controlled and prejudged with ease. Why? Just so you can tick some boxes so that everything corrosponds to the norm.

Female candidates will be run in some areas and male candidates in others to keep it equal. If there are only female candidates, the people must choose from them.

This sound a lot like a one party system, and thus it have nothing to do with democracy or freedom. Something that again return me to one of my earlier questions, what are you going to de with those people that choose to resist?

For thousands of years womyn have been chattel. They have been possessions belonging first to their fathers, then their husbands, and in widowhood, to their sons. Only very recently and only in a few countries have womyn belonged completely to themselves. But shi is still at the mercy of men. Shi is made a victim of violence and rape at the hands of men. Shi is paid less, works harder in the home and outside it than men. Shi makes up 52 per cent of the population, but shi is not represented equaly in any country. Men still control politics and shape societies to their own benefit, leaving womyn to the domestic chores, the child raising and the meaningless games of seduction.

What has man done in all his years of rule but cause countless wars and unspeakable violence? He has made property out of his fellow man, but beneath even the lowest slave has always been womyn. Your patriarchy has soaked the world in blood and it shows no signs of stopping. It is time for womyn to take their chance, and to take back their power. It is time for a matriarchy.

No I don't want a matriarchy... I couldn't stand the foriegn relations... going to war every 28 days isn't my kind of thing.

like the clever, tolerant, cool black / desi / asian people in frasier? or friends?

are you being sarcastic? its hard to tell.

I'm not a sexist, but your idea is totally stupid, as Kanabia and IV Stalin pointed out you are just making men inequal, and in fact the sort of women in power will just cause the same problems. Besides, the UK has had a female prime minister before - she did NOT make a good impression.

In western civilisation women are often treated equal to men - only in Islamic civilisations is this not so [and some others but mainly Islamic] - do you know why? Because it is their culture. It is their way of life and has been for hundreds of years. Many people have tried to wipe out cultures - ultimately they have failed and so will you too.

Jobs must also have gender quotas. Just as many men as womyn should be daycare workers. Just as many womyn as men should be CEOs.
I'd like to see the average woman tackle my old construction job. Not too many women can load 96 pound sacks of cement into a mixer all day and wheelbarrow the contens uphill through ankle deep mud, but it would be a hoot to watch them try.

There is anthropological evidence, which I'm not net savvy enough to find and link, of indegenius tribes that are matriarical. These are isolated little tribes that have never heard of Abrahamic religions, Father Knows Best, Cosmo, etc. etc.

What they found in these tribes is that those in charge act like people in charge. They are boorish, forceful, they act privilaged. The men in those tribes where subserviant, cared for the homes and children, gossiped amongst themselves, sucumb to vanity.



So what have we learned, kiddies?

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, whether you have something hanging between yer legs or not.

Jobs must also have gender quotas. Just as many men as womyn should be daycare workers. Just as many womyn as men should be CEOs.

Jobs Gender quotas? Thats bad IMO for the working world. You put someone there purely based on their sex? You gotta be kidding.

You should give people jobs based purely on competency. I know several Lady CEO's.. And many are very good and capable ladies. Same goes with men.

I'd like to see the average woman tackle my old construction job. Not too many women can load 96 pound sacks of cement into a mixer all day and wheelbarrow the contens uphill through ankle deep mud, but it would be a hoot to watch them try.
Points to previous post made by yours truly.



I fully agree, so lots more female building contractors, lots more female mechanics as well. Sounds fair.

I choose my irrepressible wit and my inherent misongyny.
Damn, I didn't think about that. I'm doomed.

I fully agree, so lots more female building contractors, lots more female mechanics as well. Sounds fair.
Best mechanic I've ever had was a woman, and I'm currently filming a documentary on a woman race car driver who in her rookie year finished second in the points. Despite that promising start she'll likely never move higher than where she is at since racing is based more on patronage than anything else. Too bad, really. I honestly belive that women are better racers. When I raced in Quarter Midgets and Karts as a kid, when it was just raw talent, the girls did better.

You know, I wonder how long a thread about how men should rule the world, put women back in their place, and how women are all conspiring against mankind would last. Oh and one where I advocate global, violent revolution to forcibly remove any female anywhere from power.

What do you think about that one eh? ;) I'm betting it would be closed for promoting sexist hatred and flamebaits.

Much like this thread should be.

Well, Cannot Think Of A Name, I have a karting race in two days (my first) and from the best of my knowledge, no girls have entered. More than that, the only girls I've seen drive karts, in over a year, with maybe one or two exceptions, were afraid to go over 10KPH.

Men will be allowed equality but that means that some of their power must be taken away first. In a Matriarchy, womyn will be the head of the household and the government. We will have true democracy, not this sham

Oh the irony. You'll have true democracy, but only a woman can be head of household and government? Surely that's less democratic than we have at the moment? That's just sexist dictatorship.

My two cents on the wife/wyfe debate - If WIFE stands for washing, ironing, f*****g, etc, then what does WYFE stand for?

EDIT: Removing the stray semi-colons grazing on my post

I fully agree, so lots more female building contractors, lots more female mechanics as well. Sounds fair.

Yes and a lot more female garbage handlers, soldiers, rodent exterminators and sewage workers. Since HerPower is the boards matriarch, I think it would be appropriate for her to start by setting an example. I vote for HerPower as the boards official sewage worker.

it's not vacuous prejudice.

She clearly dislikes men - she has claimed men have evil characteristics.

As she dislikes me, in order for her to be sexually attracted to someone, they must NOT be a man.

So man hating lesbian is not such a leap of prejudice, more a reasonable assumption.

What about the second point? And since when do you have to like someone to be sexually attracted to them?

Jobs must also have gender quotas. Just as many men as womyn should be daycare workers. Just as many womyn as men should be CEOs.

And your going to force men into those kind of jobs? What are you, communist? Ohh.. you are, aren't you?

Shouldn't people choose their jobs because they like it? Or they find it worth their money working there?

Then we must EnForce as many Womyn to pick up our garbage, clean the sewers and other nasty stuff that men has to do won't we?

You know, I wonder how long a thread about how men should rule the world, put women back in their place, and how women are all conspiring against mankind would last. Oh and one where I advocate global, violent revolution to forcibly remove any female anywhere from power.


I was quite surprised that one wasn't already created when I logged on (around p5 I think)

My two cents on the wife/wyfe debate - If WIFE stands for washing, ironing, f*****g, etc, then what does WYFE stand for?


Women You Fear Explicitly??

Well, Cannot Think Of A Name, I have a karting race in two days (my first) and from the best of my knowledge, no girls have entered. More than that, the only girls I've seen drive karts, in over a year, with maybe one or two exceptions, were afraid to go over 10KPH.
Give it time. I did it for 12 years and thats what I saw. Give them a fair shake (and for extra speed, let them know that the boys are making fun of her) and the woman will be better.

There are going to be fewer because Daddy isn't as prone to buying his little girl a car as he is his boy. Normally it's the sister. Nothing sadder than being there once the brother realises his sister is faster.

Try to impose a matriarchy, and you'll find yourself in an internment camp in Alaska, IF I let you live! Don't push me on this! :headbang: If someone tries to impose a dictatorship of any kind on me, I'll simply stop them with deadly force, seize power, and either execute or banish them before calling free elections for a new government and resigning from office.

Best mechanic I've ever had was a woman, and I'm currently filming a documentary on a woman race car driver who in her rookie year finished second in the points. Despite that promising start she'll likely never move higher than where she is at since racing is based more on patronage than anything else. Too bad, really. I honestly belive that women are better racers. When I raced in Quarter Midgets and Karts as a kid, when it was just raw talent, the girls did better.

Actually I'm wishing for the day a girl would make it into the English Premier League football. Though she may have the talent, but would she really want to play in a league full of men? And the rough toughness. I know in Argentina they have a female referee though. She's supposedly very good though lots of ppl give her stick (I think she blows the whistle too often). Poor gal.

And she's stopped responding....

Try to impose a matriarchy, and you'll find yourself in an internment camp in Alaska, IF I let you live! Don't push me on this! :headbang: If someone tries to impose a dictatorship of any kind on me, I'll simply stop them with deadly force, seize power, and either execute or banish them before calling free elections for a new government and resigning from office.
Isn't it funny that people forget General is OOC (Out Of Character) :p ;)

I'm not General, whomever he is. I'm someone else who will be perfectly happy to emulate the great Sulla, a Roman dictator who prepared the Republic for a return to self-government by executing so many enemies.

Try to impose a matriarchy, and you'll find yourself in an internment camp in Alaska, IF I let you live!

Well, as we like to say: Alaska, where the men are men, and so are the women.

Actually I'm wishing for the day a girl would make it into the English Premier League football. Though she may have the talent, but would she really want to play in a league full of men? And the rough toughness. I know in Argentina they have a female referee though. She's supposedly very good though lots of ppl give her stick (I think she blows the whistle too often). Poor gal.
When I was a kid the coach of my soccer (yep, american) team caught wind of a few of my team mates making fun of the girls practicing on the other half of the field. He went and told thier coach and then asked if they wanted to scrimage.

Not only did we lose, and lose badly, but three of our guys got sidelined.

I reffed youth soccer for a year and would get scared to ref the girls teams because they were down right visious.

Doesn't really say anything one way or the other. But given that, I won't play against women. Call me afraid. That'd be accurate.

I'm not General, whomever he is. I'm someone else who will be perfectly happy to emulate the great Sulla, a Roman dictator who prepared the Republic for a return to self-government by executing so many enemies.
This forum you are currently in is the General forum.

Welcome :)

And she's stopped responding....

People have to sleep you know.. It's 1:30am.. uhh.. my time. :D

I'm not a sexist, but your idea is totally stupid, as Kanabia and IV Stalin pointed out you are just making men inequal, and in fact the sort of women in power will just cause the same problems. Besides, the UK has had a female prime minister before - she did NOT make a good impression.

In western civilisation women are often treated equal to men - only in Islamic civilisations is this not so [and some others but mainly Islamic] - do you know why? Because it is their culture. It is their way of life and has been for hundreds of years. Many people have tried to wipe out cultures - ultimately they have failed and so will you too.

Doesn't really say anything one way or the other. But given that, I won't play against women. Call me afraid. That'd be accurate.

Yup.. We'll never know.

But what I generally percieve, (I don't know how true), is that women in general I think are better. But the men, to those that are talented and gifted.. can go way beyond what any women can.

Most Women are better on the average, but some Men are just far supirior and certain things they do.

Actually, I think its time for THIS:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=405159

But a question, how do you pluralize womyn?

Wimmin, IIRC.

When I was a kid the coach of my soccer (yep, american) team caught wind of a few of my team mates making fun of the girls practicing on the other half of the field. He went and told thier coach and then asked if they wanted to scrimage.

Not only did we lose, and lose badly, but three of our guys got sidelined.

I reffed youth soccer for a year and would get scared to ref the girls teams because they were down right visious.

Doesn't really say anything one way or the other. But given that, I won't play against women. Call me afraid. That'd be accurate.

When I used to play hockey, we'd play one match a season against the girls team. They had to move it to the end of the season because so many of the boys got injured by flying hockey sticks and crunching tackles. One of them smacked me in the hand, breaking two fingers, and I got sent off for swearing at her. She got away with it.

I'm don't think either sex is better, hence I'm not a sexist. :) Unlike HerPower, who IS a sexist.

For thousands of years womyn have been chattel. They have been possessions belonging first to their fathers, then their husbands, and in widowhood, to their sons. Only very recently and only in a few countries have womyn belonged completely to themselves. But shi is still at the mercy of men. Shi is made a victim of violence and rape at the hands of men. Shi is paid less, works harder in the home and outside it than men. Shi makes up 52 per cent of the population, but shi is not represented equaly in any country. Men still control politics and shape societies to their own benefit, leaving womyn to the domestic chores, the child raising and the meaningless games of seduction.

What has man done in all his years of rule but cause countless wars and unspeakable violence? He has made property out of his fellow man, but beneath even the lowest slave has always been womyn. Your patriarchy has soaked the world in blood and it shows no signs of stopping. It is time for womyn to take their chance, and to take back their power. It is time for a matriarchy.
I see our favourite speller is back. I wonder...are you a man in woman's clothing? A puppet man, perhaps? Because you are doing a great job of undermining REAL feminists who want equality, not superiority.

Yes, men have done great evil. But so have women. We haven't had the power to any great extent, no, but there is NOTHING that says women are somehow less violent or greedy or evil than men. Who is to say that once women get control, that they don't go powermad too?

I agree with some of what you say, but I in no way agree that there should be a reversal of abusive roles. Gender equality will happen, but it can't happen violently. Defeats the purpose really.

By the way, have you met my great love, Jesussaves?

No, it is to shift the balance of power. Womyn will not have to make men chattel as they have made us chattel. We only want a chance to shape the world for the better. After thousands of years man has not solved his problem of violence, and I am saying that it is time to let womyn try. What have we got to lose?
So you are going to tear down all the governments, and replace them with women-run governments in some grand experiment? :rolleyes: Political 'experimentation' is soooooo last century:)

Who is to say that once women get control, that they don't go powermad too?
*cough* Thatcher

I understand that the spelling of womyn and shi upset people. Please try to understand that it is very important to me to keep this spelling. It does not change the way the word is pronounced. We don't change words like her to hyr because it doesn't sound right when you say it. Womyn and shi are political words for politcal speech and we don't expect these words to change in dictionaries or anywhere else.
Then why bother using them at all? It just makes you look like a nutjob. Womyn was bad, but SHI? Isn't that a perfume?

*cough* Thatcher
Exactamente, my dear friend! Thatcher was an evil, powermad wench if ever there was one...and she wasn't the first. Imagine Condi as supreme global overlady....*shudder*

*cough* Thatcher
If you had been studying the book of HerPower would would know the only reason she did that to appease the men that controlled her.

Exactamente, my dear friend! Thatcher was an evil, powermad wench if ever there was one...and she wasn't the first. Imagine Condi as supreme global overlady....*shudder*

HEY, she wasn't that bad.....

What? Why are you all looking at me like that? No, put the bat down, put it do... <CRACK>

What has man done in all his years of rule but cause countless wars and unspeakable violence?

Whearas, Margaret Thatcher was the princess of peace?

You know...as much as I love this topic, I don't think I'm willing to go through and read that many pages...I can't BELIEVE this troll is getting such a response.

When I have a bit more time, I propose that the REAL feminists on NS get together in a thread to counteract the damage this *get a grip, don't flame* WOMAN (?) is doing. Cripes...I thought the feminazis were a red herring...

When I used to play hockey, we'd play one match a season against the girls team. They had to move it to the end of the season because so many of the boys got injured by flying hockey sticks and crunching tackles. One of them smacked me in the hand, breaking two fingers, and I got sent off for swearing at her. She got away with it.
Now see, that is why I never played Hockey (well that and a total inability to skate...and I grew up in the Northern California valley...and I don't even think there was an ice rink...)

You know...as much as I love this topic, I don't think I'm willing to go through and read that many pages...I can't BELIEVE this troll is getting such a response.

When I have a bit more time, I propose that the REAL feminists on NS get together in a thread to counteract the damage this *get a grip, don't flame* WOMAN (?) is doing. Cripes...I thought the feminazis were a red herring...
They still are. And the jury's still out on whether HerPower is 'for real' anyway.

Now see, that is why I never played Hockey (well that and a total inability to skate...and I grew up in the Northern California valley...and I don't even think there was an ice rink...)

No, not Ice Hockey. We played on grass. Much softer, and its less likely that someone will take your foot off during a match. I got smacked about so much in defence, i took up a much more gentle sport and position. As a rugby union prop.

When I used to play hockey, we'd play one match a season against the girls team. They had to move it to the end of the season because so many of the boys got injured by flying hockey sticks and crunching tackles. One of them smacked me in the hand, breaking two fingers, and I got sent off for swearing at her. She got away with it.

we played one match a year against the girls school. It was the only match our school could find enough volunteers for a whole team...

Try to impose a matriarchy, and you'll find yourself in an internment camp in Alaska, IF I let you live! Don't push me on this! :headbang: If someone tries to impose a dictatorship of any kind on me, I'll simply stop them with deadly force, seize power, and either execute or banish them before calling free elections for a new government and resigning from office.

Yeah, okay.

There are some guys outside with white coats.. they said they were looking for you...