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Im just wondering. Everyone thinks we are bad people for the war and stuff, but its not like we're all unanimous on the war. I think that perhaps they should blame ol' Dubya for whats going on here, not the entire US population!

Calm, down, have a seat. Most people realise that. But generalisations do abound in heated discussions. I find a lot in US society disagreeable and it makes me shake my head often enough, but i dont hate the US populace or the place itself (stupid concept) in general.

I blame "Dubya" for pretty much all of this shit, but that also means that I naturally have to place as much blame on the idiots who voted for him. TWICE.

I think that idiocy and stupidity are not the sole purview of the US.

Let's not forget that Chirac, after vehemently opposing US policy, is now supporting it in Iraq (well, he won't send any Frenchmen, but he is sending cash).

It seems that like any US politician, Chirac is full of shit.

It's the hypocricy of America.

[Of course when i say america i mean in general i realise not all american citizens think and act unanimously but its the same when taking about all countries and regimes.]

America is "at war against terror" yet still american's and their million pound companies fund terrorist organisations such as the I.R.A. An organisation opperating over an international border and attacking the citizens of the U.S.A's closest ally yet this is not on the Bush's list of problems to fix.

America went to war with Iraq because Saddam refused to obey the U.N yet thats exactly what the U.S.A did. Ignoring the U.N and the E.U. America ignores the rest of the world.

Democracy is supposedly the basis of his war yet Bush ignores the fact that he was out voted by the U.N

Because people keep making these stupid threads.

Its because of America's visible actions. Sure, the people who voted for Bush may look after stray kittens and help small children out of trees and gas chambers, but that doesn't make the news. What gets heard is that they voted for a war-mongering intolerant moron.

I don't hate America or American people (except Bush, a lot of his government, and probably some people who I will meet in the future), I just hate a lot of what they are doing (but the giving money to fight AIDS and help people recover after the tsunami are good. Keep it up! :fluffle: ).

It's trendy to hate the USA.

Anyone want to burn a flag with me?

People hate us:

slightly Because we are "number 1". It is easy to make fun of number 1.
slightly Because Dubya is a man who sticks to his guns, but doesn't make any sense at all. really people, he doesn't
probably Because we attacked Iraq for no reason, the ripple effect of that is causing plenty of problems for other nations
mostly Because we are hypocrites

I stomped on my American Flag quite a few times.

It's trendy to hate the USA.

Anyone want to burn a flag with me?

Hell yes! *Raises flamethrower*. Now to show you guys why I have no eyebrows!

Holy crap. Not another "Why does everyone hate the US?" thread again. They just do. Now get over it.

I'm a US citizen, and I'm not of the self-hating type. I certainly don't hate Americans as a group. I hate those Americans who are offended when I say I hate Bush.

I'm a US citizen, and I'm not of the self-hating type. I certainly don't hate Americans as a group. I hate those Americans who are offended when I say I hate Bush.


I'm with you on this one, man.

People hate us:

slightly Because we are "number 1". It is easy to make fun of number 1.
slightly Because Dubya is a man who sticks to his guns, but doesn't make any sense at all. really people, he doesn't
probably Because we attacked Iraq for no reason, the ripple effect of that is causing plenty of problems for other nations
mostly Because we are hypocrites
Good post, but you didn't clarify the "number 1" part, so you are comming off as an arrogant American.

People hate us:

slightly Because we are "number 1". It is easy to make fun of number 1.
slightly Because Dubya is a man who sticks to his guns, but doesn't make any sense at all. really people, he doesn't
probably Because we attacked Iraq for no reason, the ripple effect of that is causing plenty of problems for other nations
mostly Because we are hypocrites

I can only speak for myself.

I don't care that you are no. 1. The concept is irrelevant.

"Dubya" is a problem, but so are nearly all politicians.

Iraq, while there was no real reason, it appears that enough people in high positions thought that there was. Stupidity is also a common problem with politicians around the world.

Hypocrisy. Here is the nub. The attitude that the USA defends freedom, while not alowing others to disagree. You are with us or you are against us, is a problem.

I hate those Americans who are offended when I say I hate Bush.


It is every American's "god-given" right to hate the president!!

Hypocrisy. Here is the nub. The attitude that the USA defends freedom, while not alowing others to disagree. You are with us or you are against us, is a problem.


That's the problem. The fucking dipshits in our current government don't give a flying fuck about the rights of other countries. If they're against Democracy, well fuck, they're screwed!

Good post, but you didn't clarify the "number 1" part, so you are comming off as an arrogant American.

Thats why I put it in quotes. I don't consider us (America and Americans) as number 1.

Uh.. why I don't consider us number 1? Because we have plenty of inside crap going on. Just because the mug is clean on the outside, doesn't mean it is clean and good to drink from on the inside.

So sure, America might have a "great" military or whatever. But we are not all that good when you live here for a while. And I live in Alaska which is pretty calm and all right, how much worse is NYC or Oklahoma?

But sorry about coming off as an arrogant American. :gundge:




I am really more of an arrogant Alaskan. Yeah thats right, ALASKA ROCKS

People hate the English too. Maybe not quite as much, but really deeply. I am English, and lived in Scotland and Ireland. Being english is almost something worse than scum. I have a friend in France who is also deeply anti-English. Now all of these countries have lived under the shadow of England during some part of their history, and honestly the English were a bit bad, to say the least, to places like Ireland. At the height of the Empire we threw our weigh around, had an innate sense of superiority - which wasn't suprising as we were then at the top of the tree. Now it is America's turn, and they are making the same mistakes, except they lack something of the English finesse and have their own brand of arrogance.

So it is nothing to do with Bush, who I think is a pretty smart president as they go (but then with Ronald 'B movie' Regan, Richard 'impeach me' Nixon, Jimmy Crickett (oops sorry, Carter) and lover boy Clinton its not exactly stiff competition.

I remember some Irish guys who "befriended" a British soldier of English descent in Germany, drank with him, and then beat the crap out of him for laughs.

I saw then that it didn't pay to be English, at least not around any Irishmen.

It doesn't pay to be a Frenchman here in the US, either.

Thats why I put it in quotes. I don't consider us (America and Americans) as number 1.

Uh.. why I don't consider us number 1? Because we have plenty of inside crap going on. Just because the mug is clean on the outside, doesn't mean it is clean and good to drink from on the inside.

So sure, America might have a "great" military or whatever. But we are not all that good when you live here for a while. And I live in Alaska which is pretty calm and all right, how much worse is NYC or Oklahoma?

But sorry about coming off as an arrogant American. :gundge:




I am really more of an arrogant Alaskan. Yeah thats right, ALASKA ROCKS
Hey, I really don't care. I am an arrogant American. USA! USA! USA! We're number 1!

<snip>....how much worse is NYC or Oklahoma?....<snip>

Its peaceful and quiet in Oklahoma.

Its peaceful and quiet in Oklahoma.

:confused: But that is where Jerry Springer is.

Why does everyone hate the US?Why did everyone hate the Germans? The simple answer to both questions is: their misbehavior.

Why did everyone hate the Germans? The simple answer to both questions is: their misbehavior.
I like that answer

Not everyone hates the US. I would say that group is a small minority. What you have is the media playing up hateful stories against our government. The rights of free speech I guess. But you got to take everything in context. Ask yourself why you see so many "hate America" stories. Figure out that there is an agenda by some news orginizations against our current administration. There you should get your answer.

I have lived overseas in Westren and Muslim countries. I have also travelled to the far east on many business trips. The most "hate America" speach I hear comes from our so called Allies in Europe. When I was in Muslim countries they didnt say they hated us. They didnt like some policys. But when it came to something they needed the US to do. The US came through and helped in that particular case. They were all US is good! So it's not all one sided. Dont fall into that Liberal media trap. There are far more people that like US than hate US.

Not everyone hates the US. I would say that group is a small minority. What you have is the media playing up hateful stories against our government. The rights of free speech I guess. But you got to take everything in context. Ask yourself why you see so many "hate America" stories. Figure out that there is an agenda by some news orginizations against our current administration. There you should get your answer.

I have lived overseas in Westren and Muslim countries. I have also travelled to the far east on many business trips. The most "hate America" speach I hear comes from our so called Allies in Europe. When I was in Muslim countries they didnt say they hated us. They didnt like some policys. But when it came to something they needed the US to do. The US came through and helped in that particular case. They were all US is good! So it's not all one sided. Dont fall into that Liberal media trap. There are far more people that like US than hate US.

I agree with that completely. People are impressionable, and the media exploits that completely... and since most of the media is controlled by liberals, they just spew "Bush sucks" and other liberal propoganda type stuff... and whenever a story comes up that might REMOTELY support Bush's policies or make him look good, then they bury it. I mean, they'll post it, but you'll never see it on the front page of the New York Times, that's for sure.

I like the point about misbehaviour :)

Why did everyone hate the Germans? The simple answer to both questions is: their misbehavior.
But the French got along with the Germans quite nicely.

Im just wondering. Everyone thinks we are bad people for the war and stuff, but its not like we're all unanimous on the war. I think that perhaps they should blame ol' Dubya for whats going on here, not the entire US population!
Uh... because not everyone hates the u.s. or americans?

Hell, half of what I post putting down anything about the states is good, neighbourly fun.

Like pointing out that you have crappy beer.

Originally posted by The Doors Corporation
But that is where Jerry Springer is.

He was born in Cincinatti, Ohio :D , and he probably tapes his show in Hollywood. You know he tryed to run for a state house of representatives seat last election. :p

Uh... because not everyone hates the u.s. or americans?

Hell, half of what I post putting down anything about the states is good, neighbourly fun.

Like pointing out that you have crappy beer.


Ever tasted Iron City?

Uh... because not everyone hates the u.s. or americans?

Hell, half of what I post putting down anything about the states is good, neighbourly fun.

Like pointing out that you have crappy beer.

Wait what are you talking about?! We have the best beer in the world!! In fact wasnt it an American that invented it?!! :cool:

I was just reading over this and something hit me. Regardless of whatever nation happens to be the strongest "super power" in todays world it will get mocked and hated by most. Doesn't matter if they obtained their title by saivng a thousands of people threw a war. They will be hated and mocked by someone.

No nation is immune to this. Why? Because every nation that exists today is only a nation because it made hard and in today politically correct and soft world harsh choices. You can look at any nations history and you'll see it forged it indepedance threw bloodshed and during that bloodshed did things that many would protest. Or threw future actions.

Not sure how much that relates to this dicussion but it is interesting. In my opinion, if you look at it from that angle, it makes it foolish to critize any country, becuase all countries are in one way or another corrupt and evil.

This thread should be locked and the person who started it banned for spamming and flamebaiting.

There are lots of reasons, but most important for me and my people, is why can't US fight alone, when they fought my country (Deutschland) in WWII they couldn't do it alone, god then i don't hate all the population but after seeing Farenheit 9/11 i hate a part, i know we have all our dark past but i hate the american egocentrism of "we are the sole superpower" if that is so why were your asses kicked in Vietnam? why didn't your "superior army" fought against the Wehrmacht alone? I hate the goverment most, the person who post this, i hope he's not supporting the war

Interesting post... on so many levels...

I don't hate the USA. Infact, it's my 2nd favourite country (beside England of course!), I just don't like the way your leadership goes around doing things. And for some people, that takes a step furthur into hating the USA as a whole.

Wait what are you talking about?! We have the best beer in the world!! In fact wasnt it an American that invented it?!! :cool:


It's a bit of a mystery. Some say that the Babylonians invented it, some say that Ancient Egyptians did, and others say that Sumerians did.

Im just wondering. Everyone thinks we are bad people for the war and stuff, but its not like we're all unanimous on the war. I think that perhaps they should blame ol' Dubya for whats going on here, not the entire US population!
If we had a poll, I would vote egotistic, elitism

Ever tasted Iron City?
Nope.

But the French got along with the Germans quite nicely. :rolleyes:

I blame "Dubya" for pretty much all of this shit, but that also means that I naturally have to place as much blame on the idiots who voted for him. TWICE.

He actually lost the popular vote the first time, dunno about last year. Which incidently shows a flaw in our election process.

Good post, but you didn't clarify the "number 1" part, so you are comming off as an arrogant American.

Too True, the No. 1 reason everyone hates the US is that they are a bunch of arrogant swines who think they know best.

Try sorting your own country ou before you mess up someone elses.

Oh, and...

There are lots of reasons, but most important for me and my people, is why can't US fight alone, when they fought my country (Deutschland) in WWII they couldn't do it alone, god then i don't hate all the population but after seeing Farenheit 9/11 i hate a part, i know we have all our dark past but i hate the american egocentrism of "we are the sole superpower" if that is so why were your asses kicked in Vietnam? why didn't your "superior army" fought against the Wehrmacht alone? I hate the goverment most, the person who post this, i hope he's not supporting the war

First of all Germany wasn't alone in WW2 either, they had a vary large ally in Japan and a smaller one in Italy. Secondally we wern't alone in Vietnam either, we were fighting with the South Vietnamese. And third, no one (who understands history) will argue that we had the "Superior Army" in WW2, most people will tell you it was Germany. Which really doesn't mean anything. They still lost, proving again that it is not very intellegent to try and take on the whole world by yourself.

Too True, the No. 1 reason everyone hates the US is that they are a bunch of arrogant swines who think they know best.

Try sorting your own country ou before you mess up someone elses.
Dude, you're just mad because you're not number one.

I stomped on my American Flag quite a few times.

My parents shed family, blood and tears to become American citizens. My US passport is the most valuable thing I have ever and will ever own. Pity isnt even the word I have to describe people such as yourself. You have no conception of what it is to be poor but smart and hardworking in other countries vs being poor but smart and hardworking in America. You do not even comprehend the luxury you feel entitled to, let alone your warped understanding of what goes on in the rest of the world.

Shame on you. The moreso because you probably dont even vaguely understand what I am talking about.

canada is he best place in the world not the u.s.a so there.

canada is he best place in the world not the u.s.a so there.
Let's see Canada try to invade a country. Can't pull it off, can you.

Let's see Canada try to invade a country. Can't pull it off, can you.

well, they could use their beer and then deny "Date Rape" it would work for a week or 2 in say..Minnesota.

No we weren't alone that's true but the italians were powerful? the japanese where on the other side of the world for god's sake.
And believe we lost the war because we had no fuel and our leader was stupid enough to fight in two fronts making us to get our asses kicked in russia.
And like you told me you were fighting with allies but those allies were really weak, and the vietcong was also weak but more intelligent, your goverment and some citizens are egocentric i'm not talking about all of the population but of some, i won't deny i have some american friends i've even been to the country. Yet i don't like the slogan "Oil for blood"

Meh. Ask why people don't support certain American policies. Ask why people don't support and reconstruction effort in Iraq. Ask why people don't believe George W. Bush is a good president. Ask what people believe are the weak points in American culture. Those questions can have quite rational answers. However, don't expect a rational answer as to why people hate the United States. The answer is inherently irrational, because hate is inherently irrational.

Because they support people like Bush.

Let's see Canada try to invade a country. Can't pull it off, can you.

Which is one reason they may be better.

Which is one reason they may be better.
Agreed.

No we weren't alone that's true but the italians were powerful? the japanese where on the other side of the world for god's sake.
And believe we lost the war because we had no fuel and our leader was stupid enough to fight in two fronts making us to get our asses kicked in russia.
And like you told me you were fighting with allies but those allies were really weak, and the vietcong was also weak but more intelligent, your goverment and some citizens are egocentric i'm not talking about all of the population but of some, i won't deny i have some american friends i've even been to the country. Yet i don't like the slogan "Oil for blood"

ahem...
firstly, the war in europe was going on for at least two years before america entered the war. the battle of britain was going on well before that, and unless I'm mistaken it was the british RAF that kept britain from invasion for almost two years despite the best efforts of the Nazis. again, it was Britain that pushed the Nazi's back at El Alamein, and eventually off the coninent of Africa. The french partisans didn't do too shabbily either with their effectively utilized guerilla tactics, etc. Germany was a superior military power with a larger force and more resources at its disposal. it wasn't till the allies began bombing their supply convoys and railroad lines that they began to run low on resources.

thus endeth the lesson.

My parents shed family, blood and tears to become American citizens. My US passport is the most valuable thing I have ever and will ever own. Pity isnt even the word I have to describe people such as yourself. You have no conception of what it is to be poor but smart and hardworking in other countries vs being poor but smart and hardworking in America. You do not even comprehend the luxury you feel entitled to, let alone your warped understanding of what goes on in the rest of the world.

Shame on you. The moreso because you probably dont even vaguely understand what I am talking about.


Look before you leap.

It's interesting, really. Those who have come to a first-world country are just thankful for the privelige and sudden every-day economic power that they are exposed to and can partake of, no matter how much of a little slice that they can get. Narf.
Then, native first-worlders, who have been exposed to this sort of thing all their lives, are intensely spoiled when it comes to economic and political privilege. However, they also have a very strong conception of how much better things can be, and are very aware of all the inequities present. At least, those who make themselves care.
Stomping on your countries' flag only make you a little bit silly though.

Who said anything about it being serious?

Let's see Canada try to invade a country. Can't pull it off, can you.

Oh yes, lets rate countries on thier abilities to destabilise world peace.

Look before you leap.

WOW, what an eloquent response. [/sarcasm]

I usually stay out of these things because most of the people debating them tend to be about 14 and type things like "OMG USA r00lz n 411 0tehr c0untr13z r teh suxx0rz!!!11!1Shift+1!!"

Speaking as an Australian, I don't hate the US at all. I've been therea few times- it's a nice country, with a lot going for it.

What concerns me is the total lack of education about anywhere OUTSIDE the US that so many Americans seem to possess.

Most Americans are vaguely aware of where Australia is, that it has a city called Sydney in it, and we have Kangaroos here. That's about it. Never mind that I've spoken to a lot of Americans who genuinely beleive we all spend our lives like Steve Irwin, saying things like "Crikey!" and trying to shoo the local wildlife out of our backyards when we're not sitting in some dodgy outback pub or playing cricket.

I mean, I live in a large city, and spend a fair bit of my recreational time at the pub with my mates, at the movies, or wandering through the scrub (almost the outback, but not quite) with a WWII British Service Rifle (A Lee-Enfield No 4 Mk I*) shooting at the local wildlife, but I'm fairly unusual (for a city dweller- it's considered part of the lifestyle in rual areas) in this regard. And I'm getting distracted from the point of this post.

Ask most Americans where New Zealand is, or to name the Capital City. I'd be willing to bet your average American couldn't do it off the top of their head. Ditto almost anywhere that isn't Canada, Mexico, England, Russia, Vietnam, or any other country that's ever been invaded by the US.

At least when the British had an Empire, everyone was well educated about it- if you casually dropped into conversation that you'd just come back from shooting Tigers in Natal and popped into Zululand for a spot of shooting the Natives before heading onto Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to look at Egyptian ruins, before shooting some more of the wildlife and some more of the Natives, everyone would know what you were talking about, where you'd been, and probably be able to reccommend a good Tea Merchant in the local bazaar as well.

I just get the distinct impression that most Americans are a little... uninformed, if you will, about The Big Picture. OK, you beat the crap out the British 250 years ago. Plenty of people have done it since, including the Zulu, the Indians, The Germans, the Japanese, and the Australian and New Zealand Cricket Teams (badoom boom tsh! :D)

The fact that you won your independence from Britain and have this great constitution (Newsflash: Other countries have constitutions too!) is all well and good, but you all have to realise that THERE ARE OTHER COUNTRIES BESIDES THE US OUT THERE.

In fact, there's a great passage from Douglas Adams' book, Mostly Harmless that can said to be sum up US Foreign Policy pretty well, IMHO:

Arthur: "I think we have different value systems..."
Ford: "Yeah, well, mine's better."

Getting rid of Dubya might go some way towards helping people "like" the US a bit more. Fixing your healthcare systems, actually letting other people into your country without treating them like criminals, and not considering yourselves "above" the UN would also be good starts.

Let me re-iterate the fact I like the US- I really do. But I also like Australia, and given a choice, I'm quite happy to stay here with my nice cold beer, interesting wildlife, and (in some places) nice scenery...

I actually have a bit of trouble with new zealand cities, but Im pretty good with most other nations...

I have some australian friends, it sounds like an even more sex-crazed america...well, at least by my friend.

What concerns me is the total lack of education about anywhere OUTSIDE the US that so many Americans seem to possess.

I'm not sure why there is so much ignorance in the U.S. about the rest of the world. Some of it may be our educational priorities, some may just be shallowness. It is there. However, I must say there is a lot of misinformation and ignorance about the U.S. as well. Too many non-Americans believe everything they see on TV, although they are probably better at locating places on a map.

Getting rid of Dubya might go some way towards helping people "like" the US a bit more.

He's not going anywhere until 2009, so you'll just have to deal with it until then.

Fixing your healthcare systems, actually letting other people into your country without treating them like criminals, and not considering yourselves "above" the UN would also be good starts.

Not sure why our healthcare system is your concern.

We used to let people in without so much security and look what it got us. Stay home if you don't like it.

We are a soveriegn nation and are above the UN, as is every country in the world. There's nothing in the UN charter that relegates member nations to UN.

Let me re-iterate the fact I like the US- I really do. But I also like Australia, and given a choice, I'm quite happy to stay here with my nice cold beer, interesting wildlife, and (in some places) nice scenery...

Australia is great. One of my best friends is Australian.

Ditto almost anywhere that isn't Canada, Mexico, England, Russia, Vietnam, or any other country that's ever been invaded by the US.

That doesn't leave as amany places as it should, sadly. :headbang:

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I do believe that the crumbling US educational system is one of the root problems. Lack of knowledge leads to arrogance (like revisionist history, i.e. "We won WWII on our own" etc) and fear (of the unknown). A bad combination.

While I'm on this post, let's not forget that it was actually mostly thanks to France that the US won its independence. Which in turn makes the current France-hatred in the US even more weird. "Freedom Fries" indeed. French fries come from Belgium! >_<

Oh, sorry, looks like I got a little off topic there...

Before I start with the things I hate about the US, I think it only fair to balance it by stating some things I like about the US.

Things I like about the US:
1. Its contributions to the fields of science and medicine
2. Its contributions to the arts (specially music and film)
3. Its commitment to defending the right of people to own firearms
4. The variety of cultures that can be found in the US
5. With the exception of his gun control efforts, Bill Clinton did alot of good for my opinion of the US. He even released most of our political prisoners on his last day in office.

Now, on to the things that I dislike. These can be broken up into two categories. Things I dislike about the people or the US as a whole, and things I dislike about the government.

People:
1. The ignorance that people in the US display is unmatched by any other country Ive ever been exposed to, specially when it comes to things relating to other countries.
2. The gung-ho attitude that people from the US so often display. For example, a common retort to being questioned about why they feel the US is the greatest nation is that it can "kick anyone else's ass". That sort of schoolboy mentality where the bully is somehow seen as the greatest goes a long way towards making me dislike the people of the US.
3. The focus on money. People in the US love money and are willing to do almost anything to get it. They seem to think that acquiring money and material goods should be the goal of life, and they waste their lives in the pursuit of such things. Most of them are willing to sacrifice worthwhile things like family, friends, and relationships, for money. Those who are a little bit more mature than those with the previously mentioned schoolboy mentality point towards the fact that the US is the richest nation as evidence that it is the best (as if money means everything).
4. The blind prejudice that people in the US display towards anything that sounds remotely like socialism. Despite the fact that many socialist policies have proven effective
5. Racism (need I say more on that)

Government:
1. The US has a long history of imperialism. It has consistently shown that it cares little for the people it is conquering. It continues to hold colonies despite the year 2000 being the target date for ending colonization in the world.
2. The CIA and FBI have a history of brutally interfering with peoples rights to peacefully assemble. The Cointelpro and Macarthy eras were a terrible time for human rights, and we are coming back to this again today.
3. The US government has done personal harm to my people. They conquered my country (Puerto Rico) during one of their imperialist adventures. They continue to hold it as a colony to this day. They murdered and imprisoned those who spoke out against the colonization only 50 years ago. They undertook a campaign of misinformation to undermine the peaceful independence movement (as has been revealed through the freedom of information act cointelpro documents).They performed radiation experiments on my people. They stole large portions of our land and destroyed it in military training maneuvers. They bombed 70% of the city of Jayuya and covered it up in a massive media blackout. They were responsible for two massacres and several disappearances. And the list goes on...
4. George W. Bush (need more be said about this)
5. Blind support of Israeli policy
6. A lack of interest in providing health care to its own people
7. The erosion of civil rights under the current administration. (who couldve concieved of the US government ever defending the imprisonment of its citizens without charges for an indefinite period of time at the whim of the president?)

I could probably think of more. but I think thats enough for now.

'schoolboy mentality'

very very very accurate, the American school system is BS, I share my birthday with the US Great Seal and my states founding Governer (F.E. Warren, Wyoming) and I had a teacher who WROTE a book on Wyoming history.

by the way the day is June 20, 1782 I was born in 1981, which was the day that the current rouge regieme (I guess) took control of Iran and suppressed the citizens under corrupt law. When I turned 13, OJ Simpson pleaded innocent.

Since I didn't learn about the heraldry of the nation, an important concept in any national issue, then what good is the educational system at all. We all know what flag day and independence are, right? So why not the Eagles day too?

2. The gung-ho attitude that people from the US so often display. For example, a common retort to being questioned about why they feel the US is the greatest nation is that it can "kick anyone else's ass". That sort of schoolboy mentality where the bully is somehow seen as the greatest goes a long way towards making me dislike the people of the US.

The problem is that the sheer size and high tech nature of its military really backs a lot of that up. You don't need the attitude if you have the equipment and it's networked to work together.


3. The focus on money. People in the US love money and are willing to do almost anything to get it. They seem to think that acquiring money and material goods should be the goal of life, and they waste their lives in the pursuit of such things. Most of them are willing to sacrifice worthwhile things like family, friends, and relationships, for money. Those who are a little bit more mature than those with the previously mentioned schoolboy mentality point towards the fact that the US is the richest nation as evidence that it is the best (as if money means everything).

You should meet people from India who are upper class. They love money far, far more than Americans, and are willing to do far, far more to get it.


4. The blind prejudice that people in the US display towards anything that sounds remotely like socialism. Despite the fact that many socialist policies have proven effective

Perhaps that's because we saw the Soviet Union collapse.


5. Racism (need I say more on that)

It's gotten far, far better in my lifetime.


3. The US government has done personal harm to my people. They conquered my country (Puerto Rico) during one of their imperialist adventures. They continue to hold it as a colony to this day. They murdered and imprisoned those who spoke out against the colonization only 50 years ago.

As well as those Puerto Ricans who opened fire in the US Senate chambers.


They undertook a campaign of misinformation to undermine the peaceful independence movement (as has been revealed through the freedom of information act cointelpro documents).They performed radiation experiments on my people. They stole large portions of our land and destroyed it in military training maneuvers. They bombed 70% of the city of Jayuya and covered it up in a massive media blackout. They were responsible for two massacres and several disappearances. And the list goes on...

The Navy has been gone for a while now. I keep reading Puerto Rican news reports that some are complaining about the loss of billions in revenue from the now non-existent exercises.


7. The erosion of civil rights under the current administration. (who couldve concieved of the US government ever defending the imprisonment of its citizens without charges for an indefinite period of time at the whim of the president?)

Frankling Roosevelt went far, far, far beyond what George Bush has done. And the Supreme Court backed up Roosevelt in later rulings - so it would be perfectly legal for Bush to round up every Muslim in the country and put them in concentration camps indefinitely - as long as he used the same wording that was used on the Japanese.

Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect.

Why do you hate freedom?

The problem is that the sheer size and high tech nature of its military really backs a lot of that up. You don't need the attitude if you have the equipment and it's networked to work together.

Maybe I have to spell it out so you can understand it. Just because you can beat someone up does not mean you are better than them. Mike Tyson can beat up a heck of a lot of people and it doesnt change the fact that he is a low life. I dont deny that the US can beat anyone up, what I laugh at is the ridiculous idea that this somehow makes them the best. This mentality, the classic bully mentality (or the "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality) is typical of schoolboys, not civilized, intelligent adults.



You should meet people from India who are upper class. They love money far, far more than Americans, and are willing to do far, far more to get it.


This post wasnt about India. If it was, Id give my views on them.


Perhaps that's because we saw the Soviet Union collapse.


Yeah, and we've seen Argentina collapse too (Argentina's economy was capitalist). So what? Canada, the Netherlands, and plenty of other socialist countries are doing great.


It's gotten far, far better in my lifetime.


Sure, but its still a problem.


As well as those Puerto Ricans who opened fire in the US Senate chambers.


This was a reaction to the events that I mentioned. What other reaction do you expect when you start locking up every dissenter, and making those that are deemed more dangerous mysteriously disappear? There comes a time when you have to fight back. If this had h appened before the US began its persecution, you would have a point. But it didnt. This was the result of the persecution.


The Navy has been gone for a while now. I keep reading Puerto Rican news reports that some are complaining about the loss of billions in revenue from the now non-existent exercises.


They left but didnt clean up their mess. Now theres explosive ordnance all over the place and theyve turned over unusable land.


Frankling Roosevelt went far, far, far beyond what George Bush has done. And the Supreme Court backed up Roosevelt in later rulings - so it would be perfectly legal for Bush to round up every Muslim in the country and put them in concentration camps indefinitely - as long as he used the same wording that was used on the Japanese.

Is that supposed to make me hate the US less?
You're right. This isnt the first time it happens. Even further reason to dislike the US.

It's trendy to hate the USA.

Anyone want to burn a flag with me?

I think there are few things more disrespectful toward a nation than to burn the flag. Just like flying the flag upside down when one is not in distress (this is the only event in which such a thing should be done), or merely to make a political point, that is quite insultful.

'schoolboy mentality'

very very very accurate, the American school system is BS, I share my birthday with the US Great Seal and my states founding Governer (F.E. Warren, Wyoming) and I had a teacher who WROTE a book on Wyoming history.

by the way the day is June 20, 1782 I was born in 1981, which was the day that the current rouge regieme (I guess) took control of Iran and suppressed the citizens under corrupt law. When I turned 13, OJ Simpson pleaded innocent.

Since I didn't learn about the heraldry of the nation, an important concept in any national issue, then what good is the educational system at all. We all know what flag day and independence are, right? So why not the Eagles day too?

Just to comment on the Iranian thing, its not a rogue government, it was a popular uprising against the Shah that horribly repressed his people with a stalin-like fear(Whom the CIA placed into power in the 50's, btw). The government is a theocracy, and supports terrorism at times, but its a rightful government, and something had to be done about the Shah. And its spelt rogue.

The truth of the matter is, there is no reason that "everyone" hates us for that we actually give a flying crap about. I guess the "everyone" has to hate someone, but I'm not alone when I say I dont care. So you can accumulate all the negative opinions and forceably shove them into the orfices you blather out of.

Let's see Canada try to invade a country. Can't pull it off, can you.


Oh yes, lets rate countries on thier abilities to destabilise world peace.


Yes, let's. Since Canada's giving a nuclear reactor(thus jumpstarting India's nuclear weapon's program) to India has done so much to stabilize the situation between India and Pakistan!

"........India acquired a Cirus 40 MWt heavy-water-moderated research reactor from Canada..."

How about France?

1. Built a nuclear reactor for Israel AND sold them the fuel
2. Built a nuclear reactor for Iraq

Everything is funny until someone builds a bomb...

Perhaps that's because we saw the Soviet Union collapse.

You say that like it somehow passed the rest of the world by.

Back on why so many people hate the United States, it's an "Empire thing".
In the 19th Century, it was the British, in the 12th Century, it was the Muslims, and in the 1st Century, it was the Romans.

What many see as hypocrisy, is really the result of having an election every two years for Congress, four years for the Presidency, and six years for the Senate-our policies change at a rate few other nations can reliably keep up with. This presents a confusing and frustrating situation for nations whose foreign policies are designed over periods of decades.

This is made worse, when you get a situation like the Kyoto Protocols, in which the President signed it, but the Senate said "No" and refused to ratify. (quite rationally, I might add- the Kyoto Treaty's provisions would have been nothing more than a transfer of economic advantage to the third world, and the whole agreement was based on shoddy work in the science department.)

It's further aggravated when you look at how America (the nation) deals with what it percieves as threats. The President most admired across the world (Bubba Bill Clinton) declined to use American Power to protect American Interests. (except when criticism at home got too loud, then he used cruise missiles on an aspirin factory).

While this might be good for the PERCEPTION of Americans, it was not good for American Interests. It did not forestall the first WTC bombing, nor did it do anything to prevent the second, or the bombing of the USS Cole.

Fast forward: what was the purpose in the latest Iraq war?
WELL... we never signed a peace-agreement with Hussein's regime, we only agreed to a cease-fire. Ergo, we had to continue to try and enforce U.N. Sanctions that weren't doing anything but tying up American resources in the Middle East-a bottomless committment. (we KNOW about Bottomless Committments-The Korean War is still 'on', it's just been on 'pause' for fifty two years). Bringing Iraq to a conclusion was a significant reason for the second invasion-forget WMD's (although Saddam would have gotten to it as soon as the sanctions were lifted...bet on it).
This made a lot of folks who signed commercial agreements with the Hussein Regime very angry. (France's largest oil-company, ELF, had an agreement with the prior regime to develop a significant oil-field in Iraq as soon as the sanctions were gone.)

Bush: It's interesting to note something about 'American Arrogance' at this point. How many non-american Nations would be doing the same thing, if they were in the same shape the U.S. is?

As for WWII, prior to 1942, the Axis was WINNING. England was the only combatant in Europe that wasn't in the position of having significant portions of their infrastructure under German control. Japan controlled vast stretches of Asia (From Korea/northern China down to the Indian ocean, plus the pacific islands...), France (Vichy France) was collaborating with the Axis in their foreign holdings, Italy was making gains in Africa with German assistance, Fascism was WINNING.

Enter the U.S., and the war turns around. Yes, it had been going for two years (actually longer, if you're a Czech or a Pole), but how many of the Allies would have survived, much less won, without American-made weapons, supplies, and equipment? Russia might have retained ITs empire, but even that is questionable if the Germans had been able to bring a Japan that wasn't fighting an enemy on their eastern coasts into the war against the Soviet Union. Without external aid, England may well have been forced to negotiate a peace by 1942 (which was what Hitler believed they would do at the time.)

It takes more than raw courage to win a war-it takes logistical structures, production, and mobility.

Back to the present-day, now...

How credible is the U.N at doing its stated job? Let's look at recent history:

Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia/Macedonia (aka the former Yugoslavia).
Sudan/Darfur
Somalia
Iraq (Oil-for-food???)
Lebanon

And I'm sure I missed a few more.
The U.N. is a debating society where nothing of importance is done. This isn't rhetorical, it's a fact. So far, in the early 2000's, we have:

Elections in Iraq
Elections in Afghanistan
much of the Middle East scared to death of us.
If you can't win them over with kindness, scare the hell out of them. We tried Kindness, and got nowhere.

You say that like it somehow passed the rest of the world by.

In the US, it was unfashionable to say "communist", since forever. Mildly dangerous to say, "socialist" up until the 1960s.

Then after the fall of the Soviet Union, to say either was to invite ridicule.

People buy Marx's book in a coffeetable version. For decoration. As a joke.

I find it astonishing that anyone on Earth honestly thinks that communism is workable.

The truth of the matter is, there is no reason that "everyone" hates us for that we actually give a flying crap about. I guess the "everyone" has to hate someone, but I'm not alone when I say I dont care. So you can accumulate all the negative opinions and forceably shove them into the orfices you blather out of.

I concur.

In the US, it was unfashionable to say "communist", since forever. Mildly dangerous to say, "socialist" up until the 1960s.

Then after the fall of the Soviet Union, to say either was to invite ridicule.

People buy Marx's book in a coffeetable version. For decoration. As a joke.

I find it astonishing that anyone on Earth honestly thinks that communism is workable.

But it works so well in North Korea!! :rolleyes:

But it works so well in North Korea!! :rolleyes:

That's why the world hates us.

We're not doing anything the way they do it, and when it works for us, they get really upset.

By any other country's logic or belief system, nothing in the US should be working at all. We should all be dead of cancer, and our economy should be less than that of Andorra, and our environment should require a space suit to travel in. We should have an army that despite its size, is less powerful than Costa Rica's police force. But it just isn't that way, it isn't working out as badly as they predict. So they have to content themselves with chopping up animal offal into unrecognizable pieces, cramming it into a pan, and calling the resultant mess "pate". Either that, or sit down to a bucket of snails.

Back on why so many people hate the United States, it's an "Empire thing".
In the 19th Century, it was the British, in the 12th Century, it was the Muslims, and in the 1st Century, it was the Romans.

What many see as hypocrisy, is really the result of having an election every two years for Congress, four years for the Presidency, and six years for the Senate-our policies change at a rate few other nations can reliably keep up with. This presents a confusing and frustrating situation for nations whose foreign policies are designed over periods of decades.

This is made worse, when you get a situation like the Kyoto Protocols, in which the President signed it, but the Senate said "No" and refused to ratify. (quite rationally, I might add- the Kyoto Treaty's provisions would have been nothing more than a transfer of economic advantage to the third world, and the whole agreement was based on shoddy work in the science department.)

It's further aggravated when you look at how America (the nation) deals with what it percieves as threats. The President most admired across the world (Bubba Bill Clinton) declined to use American Power to protect American Interests. (except when criticism at home got too loud, then he used cruise missiles on an aspirin factory).

While this might be good for the PERCEPTION of Americans, it was not good for American Interests. It did not forestall the first WTC bombing, nor did it do anything to prevent the second, or the bombing of the USS Cole.

Fast forward: what was the purpose in the latest Iraq war?
WELL... we never signed a peace-agreement with Hussein's regime, we only agreed to a cease-fire. Ergo, we had to continue to try and enforce U.N. Sanctions that weren't doing anything but tying up American resources in the Middle East-a bottomless committment. (we KNOW about Bottomless Committments-The Korean War is still 'on', it's just been on 'pause' for fifty two years). Bringing Iraq to a conclusion was a significant reason for the second invasion-forget WMD's (although Saddam would have gotten to it as soon as the sanctions were lifted...bet on it).
This made a lot of folks who signed commercial agreements with the Hussein Regime very angry. (France's largest oil-company, ELF, had an agreement with the prior regime to develop a significant oil-field in Iraq as soon as the sanctions were gone.)

Bush: It's interesting to note something about 'American Arrogance' at this point. How many non-american Nations would be doing the same thing, if they were in the same shape the U.S. is?

As for WWII, prior to 1942, the Axis was WINNING. England was the only combatant in Europe that wasn't in the position of having significant portions of their infrastructure under German control. Japan controlled vast stretches of Asia (From Korea/northern China down to the Indian ocean, plus the pacific islands...), France (Vichy France) was collaborating with the Axis in their foreign holdings, Italy was making gains in Africa with German assistance, Fascism was WINNING.

Enter the U.S., and the war turns around. Yes, it had been going for two years (actually longer, if you're a Czech or a Pole), but how many of the Allies would have survived, much less won, without American-made weapons, supplies, and equipment? Russia might have retained ITs empire, but even that is questionable if the Germans had been able to bring a Japan that wasn't fighting an enemy on their eastern coasts into the war against the Soviet Union. Without external aid, England may well have been forced to negotiate a peace by 1942 (which was what Hitler believed they would do at the time.)

It takes more than raw courage to win a war-it takes logistical structures, production, and mobility.

Back to the present-day, now...

How credible is the U.N at doing its stated job? Let's look at recent history:

Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia/Macedonia (aka the former Yugoslavia).
Sudan/Darfur
Somalia
Iraq (Oil-for-food???)
Lebanon

And I'm sure I missed a few more.
The U.N. is a debating society where nothing of importance is done. This isn't rhetorical, it's a fact. So far, in the early 2000's, we have:

Elections in Iraq
Elections in Afghanistan
much of the Middle East scared to death of us.
If you can't win them over with kindness, scare the hell out of them. We tried Kindness, and got nowhere.

Daer god, not another american who thinks it was the main reason the allies beat the axis...

uh... not everyone hates us. The average person around the world isn't like "I hate ALL AMERICANS!" But, let's face it, the actions of our government don't exactly cultivate a warm fuzzy feeling across the globe.

The U.S. Government actively supports the Corporate "raping" of some of the poorest nations on on Earth and advertises that its good for them.

Umm... Iraq. I'm not saying Saddam Hussein was a great guy, but come on. People who think that we went over there to liberate Iraq are deluding themselves so they don't have to think about it.

Well, this could go on and on and on. And its true that half of the country does not support Dubya at all. But, we still pay our taxes. Taxes that, for the time being, support Dubya's decisions. So, unless you are practicing some sort of Civil Disobedience that could land you in jail for tax evasion, every American is just as culpable for our Government's actions as Dubya himself. As much as I find that distasteful, I refuse to be hypocritical. I didn't vote for the giant turd, but I can't question anyone's choice to hate the US and its policies. :headbang: <--- and this is what it feels like

Daer god, not another american who thinks it was the main reason the allies beat the axis...

No, after everyone was well nigh exhausted, we stopped in for tea.

At that point, Hitler shot himself in the head, and everyone had a scone.

No, after everyone was well nigh exhausted, we stopped in for tea.

At that point, Hitler shot himself in the head, and everyone had a scone.


Thats what I read too. And then all the devestated countries dug deep in their own pockets and rebuilt from out of the ashes.

Thats what I read too. And then all the devestated countries dug deep in their own pockets and rebuilt from out of the ashes.

I heard that Hitler didn't like tea, and he didn't like scones, so he shot himself.

Another story has him hating borscht.

I heard the US made big loans to those people who dug in their pockets for the interest.

And the Swiss win every war.

I heard that Hitler didn't like tea, and he didn't like scones, so he shot himself.

Another story has him hating borscht.

I heard the US made big loans to those people who dug in their pockets for the interest.

And the Swiss win every war.


Thats terrible-I'm sure the people in Paris where aware of his dislike of scones-after all, they practically catered to his every whim.

I heard that the US even forgave the interest. Its kinda like the friend who only calls when he needs something desperately-you give him the $50.00 with the knowledge you'll never see it again, but its ok because you feel its the right thing to do.

And-the Swiss are neutral- how can they profit from the spoils of war? Surely you cant be right? (Sarcastic)

Im just wondering. Everyone thinks we are bad people for the war and stuff, but its not like we're all unanimous on the war. I think that perhaps they should blame ol' Dubya for whats going on here, not the entire US population!


i am not against the war and i am british, but i am still not to keen on americans, meaning i dont dislike them but i do not like them either

The U.S. Government actively supports the Corporate "raping" of some of the poorest nations on on Earth and advertises that its good for them.

"raping"? are you stoned? Giving third world nations the raw materials cheap, having them make substandard crap and then buying it back from them is raping? Sending ships and planes full of relief workers and soldiers and cash and equipment after a natural disaster, knowing full well we'll still be criticized for not sending enough is raping? I know the tsunami and all the other natural disasters are the fault of the US-we could have warned them a week in advance and airlifted them to California till the storm abataed and we rebuilt their shanty towns.

Umm... Iraq. I'm not saying Saddam Hussein was a great guy, but come on. People who think that we went over there to liberate Iraq are deluding themselves so they don't have to think about it.

Saddam Hussein was the devil himself-we should have killed that bastard years ago just on principle. His people hated him more than anything but were so kicked down they couldnt dream of doing so. If nothing else good comes of him and his sons being removed, at least its not likely they'll be opening up the rape rooms- we're even cleaning up the bodies of his torture/murder victims from the outskirts of the capital. And last I heard, we werent suddenly rec oil for free now that we are there in force. Even though the US and allies should get Iraqi oil for $10.00 a barrell and those who turned their backs on us should pay a premium.

Well, this could go on and on and on. And its true that half of the country does not support Dubya at all. But, we still pay our taxes. Taxes that, for the time being, support Dubya's decisions. So, unless you are practicing some sort of Civil Disobedience that could land you in jail for tax evasion, every American is just as culpable for our Government's actions as Dubya himself. As much as I find that distasteful, I refuse to be hypocritical. I didn't vote for the giant turd, but I can't question anyone's choice to hate the US and its policies. :headbang: <--- and this is what it feels like[/QUOTE]


Most of us voted for President Bush-well over half-the country wasnt divided-President Bush won by a landslide, despite the devious tricks of the liberal media. I have a feeling you didnt bother to vote at all. And why do you, here in the US, give two flying f---s what the rest of the world thinks?

Flashheart']i am not against the war and i am british, but i am still not to keen on americans, meaning i dont dislike them but i do not like them either


Thanks- I am American and I feel the same way about you. And I would still pull over and try to help you out if I saw you broken down on the side of the road. Because I, like many of my kind, dont have to like you or benefit from doing what I think is right.

*Speaking in general terms*
In amongst all of this I think there are a few points that people are missing.
Everyone is proud to be where they call "home" nothing anyone says can really change that fact. Much like a strong opinion.

I believe the ignorance of people as a whole (myself included) keep them at a somewhat happy level. Most people have heard the term "Ignorance is bliss." I am not saying to not learn anything but somethings are better left alone. Not a single soul (and not getting into religion here) can honestly say they know "everything" without coming off as pompous.

No government is perfect there are inherent faults. Just like human beings have inherent faults and since a select conglomerate of persons run that government then there are going to be problems.

There is no one quick fix for anything. There are always two sides to a story.

Just a little slice of incoherent brain droppings. :eek:

Oh yes, lets rate countries on thier abilities to destabilise world peace.
No, you've got me all wrong. I rate a country on how much enemy territory it can seize.

:eek: This is going to bore everyone else, so, feel free to change the channel now :eek:

>"raping"? are you stoned? Giving third world nations the raw materials cheap, having them make substandard crap and then buying it back from them is raping? Sending ships and planes full of relief workers and soldiers and cash and equipment after a natural disaster, knowing full well we'll still be criticized for not sending enough is raping? I know the tsunami and all the other natural disasters are the fault of the US-we could have warned them a week in advance and airlifted them to California till the storm abataed and we rebuilt their shanty towns. <

Am I stoned? No, unfortunately. No, what I call raping is American Corporations moving the majority of their work to countries that are so economically depressed (www.lewrockwell.com/wallace/wallace18.html) that child prostitution seems like a good idea as a way to support the family. American corporations take advantage of such circumstances because labor is so cheap that to them $10.00 (or the equivolent) a week is a pretty freakin' good salary. Now, tell me, how is that not raping a country? And yes, we sent a lot of money and people over to help with the tsunami... hey, great for us! But, had the US and/or the UN said "hey, why don't we actually support sanctions to help the countries develop a viable economy that would support local employment", they would not have been living in Shantytowns. I'm not saying the natural disaster is anyone's fault, but hindsight is 20/20, as they say, and you can find a million ways 125,000 people could have been saved.

> Saddam Hussein was the devil himself-we should have killed that bastard years ago just on principle. His people hated him more than anything but were so kicked down they couldnt dream of doing so. If nothing else good comes of him and his sons being removed, at least its not likely they'll be opening up the rape rooms- we're even cleaning up the bodies of his torture/murder victims from the outskirts of the capital. And last I heard, we werent suddenly rec oil for free now that we are there in force. Even though the US and allies should get Iraqi oil for $10.00 a barrell and those who turned their backs on us should pay a premium.<

err.... right. Hey, let's support consuming all of the Earth's natural resources so us Yanks can drive our Hummers on interstates that have no freakin' terrain. (Can someone explain to me why we insist on driving all-Terrain vehicles? Hardly anyone even lives at the end of gravel driveways anymore?) As for Saddam.. yeah, he's a bad man. And has been for the past 30 years, so, ask yourself this... what's changed in the past 4 years?

>Most of us voted for President Bush-well over half-the country wasnt divided-President Bush won by a landslide, despite the devious tricks of the liberal media. I have a feeling you didnt bother to vote at all. And why do you, here in the US, give two flying f---s what the rest of the world thinks <

Oh, yeah, a whopping landslide of about 5 million votes.... right... that's a landslide alright. Oh... but that's all a fiction devised by our "liberal media". How could I have been so blind?

Why do I care? Because I don't particularly like seeing anyone get screwed by "the man". And right now, the world, at large, is getting screwed by our country. The question is: Why doesn't that concern you? Have you taken a look at Bush's proposed Budget for next year? He's cut Education programs and interior farming incentives across the board, while upping the Military Budget. The Petagon has a $400 billion dollar budget; over 40 times that of anything else we spend our money on. Welcome to reality.. Americans aren't the only ones on the planet, but we certainly act like it. And frankly, that pisses me off.

add another reason

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4351863.stm

I think its because americans are so patriotic, if someone said england was a crap counrty lots of engish would say something like yeah I know (ok thats a bit of a generalisation but I would for one), while almost any american would defend their county to the hilt which just starts arguments about it.