NationStates Jolt Archive

Is it a good thing or bad?

What really gets me, is that an organization has the right to overturn the opinion of a nation based on it's own beliefs of how or what it feels that nation should do...

Sometimes I think it is a good thing, But other times, I'm not very happy about it.. I think the general idea was good, but a huge failure...

I find it interesting that so many people have little knowledge of it..

FOR Example..

I always found it interesting that George Bush wanted to open up the artic for oil drilling -SO America could have more Oil..

WRONG..

First and foremost ..

The oil that comes out of Alaska does not come to the United States - but rather is shipped off - TO JAPEN for processing and is sold to Japen..

lol...

By increasing drilling in Alasaka - The only people who would benefit - Would be Japen because the price of oil for them would be reduced..

Double lol...


This is in a agreement with the world trade organization...

;)

Troy*

It's JAPAN, and... What the fuck are you talking about?

opps - few misspelled words including Alaska..

I'm saying the oil in Alaska is sold only to Japan..

has per agreement with the World trade Organization...

We have to buy OUR oil from other countries, we are not allowed to use our oil..

Troy*

opps - few misspelled words including Alaska..

I'm saying the oil in Alaska is sold only to Japan..

has per agreement with the World trade Organization...

We have to buy OUR oil from other countries, we are not allowed to use our oil..

Troy*


Is it just me, or does that not sound right?

that is the way it is..

Not my fault...

Ask Jamaica how they feel about the WTO -

they took out a loan once - and now they have become a slave to the WTO.

something so simple -

Like milk

Jamica had dairies..

But they are not allowed to have milk from those dairies - Those were shut down and now - They have powered milk from the United States only per agreement from the WTO..

That is what World Trade Organization is .. It is a higher power then any government of any nation.. Money Based on capitalistic policies.. For the benefit of companies, not humans...

It was designed with the intent of helping all countries, it has done just the opposite..

Troy*

I know that it's not your fault. I'm just saying that it sounds really shitty.

I have lots of fun info on the WTO. Like secret agreements the countries have to sign to borrow money.

In Canada we are self sufficient in oil production, but because of WTO rules our own population has to buy gas at world prices set by OPEC if we also want to export it. Thats annoying.

WTO likes to fuck people. All they want is money and have no regard for other countries' people or economies. It should be abolished.

I hate the WTO. :headbang:

Like all Free Trade associations, they're more concerned with the whims of Multinational Corporations and large Countries than actually opening up the markets of Developing countries in beneficial ways.

Don't let the FTAA become a reality!

I hate the WTO. :headbang:

Like all Free Trade associations, they're more concerned with the whims of Multinational Corporations and large Countries than actually opening up the markets of Developing countries in beneficial ways.

Don't let the FTAA become a reality!
Free Trade my ass. They are they don't care about local businesses. If they actually helped then the countries would be somewhat better.

Free Trade my ass. They are they don't care about local businesses. If they actually helped then the countries would be somewhat better.
Yeah, made a mistake there.

My sentence should have started:

Like all "Free Trade" associations...

;)

The WTO and NAFTA are evil. The WTO forced several Latin American countries to deregulate utilities in order to get loans and favorable trade treaties. At one time energy in Europe was cheaper than in the US, but deregulation fixed that. Deregulation is alos responsible for the California blackouts, but they keep telling us it will benefit consumers. What a crock.

I think I speak for every one when I say...


DOWN WITH THE WTO!!!

Is it a good thing or bad?

What really gets me, is that an organization has the right to overturn the opinion of a nation based on it's own beliefs of how or what it feels that nation should do...

Sometimes I think it is a good thing, But other times, I'm not very happy about it.. I think the general idea was good, but a huge failure...

I find it interesting that so many people have little knowledge of it..

FOR Example..

I always found it interesting that George Bush wanted to open up the artic for oil drilling -SO America could have more Oil..

WRONG..

First and foremost ..

The oil that comes out of Alaska does not come to the United States - but rather is shipped off - TO JAPEN for processing and is sold to Japen..

lol...

By increasing drilling in Alasaka - The only people who would benefit - Would be Japen because the price of oil for them would be reduced..

Double lol...


This is in a agreement with the world trade organization...

;)

Troy*

More oil on the world market, the less it costs. For everyone.

Cheers.

The WTO and NAFTA are evil. The WTO forced several Latin American countries to deregulate utilities in order to get loans and favorable trade treaties. At one time energy in Europe was cheaper than in the US, but deregulation fixed that. Deregulation is alos responsible for the California blackouts, but they keep telling us it will benefit consumers. What a crock.

Um, deregulation is not responsible for the California blackouts actually. Lack of supply is. Or do you think that if the government runs it the supply will magically match whatever demands are placed on it?

More oil on the world market, the less it costs. For everyone.

Cheers.

Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Americans have lower real wages than they had in the 1960's and productivity has gone way up. The only thing more supply does is make higher corporate profits. I didn't know you could get epilepsy without a brain. But you seem to be having some sort of fit where reality doesn't work.

Um, deregulation is not responsible for the California blackouts actually. Lack of supply is. Or do you think that if the government runs it the supply will magically match whatever demands are placed on it? They had supply, they sold it elsewhere so they could get higher prices.

Um, deregulation is not responsible for the California blackouts actually. Lack of supply is. Or do you think that if the government runs it the supply will magically match whatever demands are placed on it?

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy/page.cfm?pageID=68

here is clear cut the causes of the blackouts... shortage of supply and increase demand was only half the problem.. deregulation allowed powerplants to create artifical rolling blackouts to incease power prices..

Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Americans have lower real wages than they had in the 1960's and productivity has gone way up. The only thing more supply does is make higher corporate profits. I didn't know you could get epilepsy without a brain. But you seem to be having some sort of fit where reality doesn't work.

those lower real wages are in large part due to things like NAFTA :rolleyes: besides the fact that US has an overly inflated standard of living. Such is the consequences of dominating world markets for the last 100 years. Per person productivity has gone up only because we are comming off of a recession, as the buisness cycle so dictates. But as jobs grow again productivty levels off.. Productivity increases are due in large part by investment into the company, which is made possible by those corporate profits your knocking... otherwise people would still be working on assembly lines. Try to learn economies of scale and why companies seek profit growth before you start spewing your crap

The main objection, though hardly the only one, I have to NAFTA is it's ability to circumvent enviromental law in the name of profit.

I have lots of fun info on the WTO. Like secret agreements the countries have to sign to borrow money.
Mmm, like "austerity measures?" In other words, don't provide your citizens with any services in return for our "support."

South America anyone?

Also don't forget TRIPS agreement (official site: http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/trips_e.htm) that evryone that wants to joins WTO have to sign. That impose very stric patentlaws not only the process of making things but also on the actualle process on a global level. So for example if a company or other organisation come up a new cheaper way to make a product they may not be able to make it because the product is patented. That of course can be a problem both for the global economy and the consumer.

But it have means big problems for developing countries and there people. For example that the costs of essential medical drugs have drastic gone up. In the beging the regulation was even severely strict for AIDS, and worked against the poor countries fight against the worlds most deadliest illness. That have been more loosed up because of the world opinion but there are still problems: http://www.who.int/medicines/library/par/hivrelateddocs/pharmaceuticals_wto_trips.pdf

Another problem is that the rich countries can bully the poor countries, and for example take patent on practices and plants already in use, just because there was not reconnice in west. That faced for example poor farmers with risk of paying a patent fees to rich western countries for practises they used for generations. Thankfully people are fighting against it and pretty succesfully: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4333627.stm, http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/pat-ch.htm

And to sume up TRIPS is one of the clearest example how WTO puts the intresst of the rich before that of the poor countries. Because one of the biggest effects of TRIPS is a money transfer from the poor countries to the rich. And at the same times it stops up the developing procces amongst the poor.
General Links:
http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/mmIviewMK.html (specific trips under question: What are two or three other major repairs that you'd like to see at the WTO)
http://www.healthmatters.org.uk/stories/rowson2.html

There is another WTO - World Toilet Organisation

Their last meeting was in China (who has the WORST toilets).

Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Americans have lower real wages than they had in the 1960's and productivity has gone way up. The only thing more supply does is make higher corporate profits. I didn't know you could get epilepsy without a brain. But you seem to be having some sort of fit where reality doesn't work.

Increases in supply drives down price. I think you are suffering from the breach of reality, not me.

My problem with the WTO is not free trade, but it is the combination of enormous power with a complete lack of representation. I don’t mind free trade or powerfull international organizations, but they must be controlled (or at least held in check) by the people for the benefit of all. Despite of its many shortcomings, I do think the EU have got the right idea with the European Parliament.