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Students at Bowdoin College in Maine are shredding the College Republicans there for inviting a black conservative to speak on campus during Black History Month, according to the student paper there.

The critics say North Carolinian Vernon Robinson is not really a black guy; he is, they say, an "Uncle Tom" who has no right to speak on campus. One writer said (with a straight face, presumably) that the Republican student group "displayed its lack of openness by inviting" him.

"To have Robinson speak at this school as a representative of Black History Month destroys the racial peace movement that has been formulating on this campus," one wrote.

http://orient.bowdoin.edu/orient/article.php?date=2005-03-04&section=2&id=2

Don't you know that all conservatives are racist, and so any black conservative is an Uncle Tom?[/sarcasm]

Stupid.

Um, what's an Uncle Tom?

Is it from "Uncle Tom Cabin?"

Honestly, I have no idea.

I think every race has it's idea of who is a traitor to their race. Probably there are some conservative ideas which are useful and some liberal ideas which are useful, and ideas from both sides of this equation which are of use to no one. When I first went to university, the dominant proffessors were all Conservatives except for the Communists who lurked in the Sociology Department, then bit by bit the colleges and universities got more Liberal, and the Conservatives accused them of being Communists, but that didn't work.
Since the Black race is still not in the easiest place in the U.S. I think political divisiveness is resented more. You don't often see European Americans with ancestors from Northern Europe accuseing Liberals of betraying the race, but Liberal values do tend to favor more distribution of wealth and advantages outside the social class composed of people who have ancestors from Northern Europe. This social-racial class is less threatened to start with, so it can afford political differences. Black Americans can't afford that.
I think Conservatives in the United States have a bunker mentality and always feel threatened regardless of their race, and often make the mistake of going on the attack when it is not warrented. This got worse since the September 11th attacks.

Um, what's an Uncle Tom?


It's a black man who sells out his ethnicity in order to appease the white man.

Down with the white man. ;)

It is from 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' as many didn't see the anti-slavery message within it, so an 'Uncle Tom' became a derogatory term for any black slaves who weren't for aggressive means to relieve opression, or even worse ones who wanted to keep the status quo and not try to fight at all. Which is a poor way to describe the 'real' Uncle Tom. I guess it's now used in modern society as described by Keruvalia.

Angry Black Man: Bush does whatever he can to keep the Black man down.
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Volitile African-American Male: I'm voting for Kerry Because he is not Bush.
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Sonshine: How many Black people has Kerry said he will put in his cabinet???? ZERO.
How many had Bush put in his cabinet??????
Who is the racist?
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possum: Condoleeza Rice and Colin Pwell Aint black.
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NewEra20 wrote:
Quote "Volitile African-American Male wrote: I'm voting for Kerry Because he is not Bush."
WOW BLACK PEOPLE ARE INTELLIGENT!!just look at this prime example....

possum: What are you trying to say you idiot? Im voting for kerry just because its not Bush as well, as well as alot of people I know. We dont neccesarily support kerry or what he beleives. Were just tired of a coke head, chaw chewing redneck in office. WOW WHITE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO TALK S H I T ABOUT BLACKS AND IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE WHY WE VOTE HOW WE DO.
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W04 wrote:
Quote "Angry Black Man wrote: Bush does whatever he can to keep the Black man down."
I don't think this post is from an angry black man. Its from an angry white man who is desparate.


http://www.perspectives.com/forums/forum4/16531.html

http://www.perspectives.com/forums/forum4/16531.html
Wow. That thread on that forum has a dire lack of intelligence, at least in the small amount of it I read.

3. Back of the Bus (2:23)
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I'm hoping you don't seriously believe that...

Most of the racism I've seen has actually come from "liberals" - let's see, Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was an ex-KKK member; it was the liberals who created Affirmative Action, etc.

I'm hoping you don't seriously believe that...
NA, the guy's name is 'Aryan Volk' - he probably does

Down with the white man.

You know ... we are saying the exact same about you buddy ;)

FACT #1: The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers. (37) (39)


FACT #2: Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his hard burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable. (21) (39)

.....Hitler....
You've just fufilled Godwin's Law - I claim victory (http://www.simplifiedsigns.org/victory.jpg)!

Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.
I'm sure you could have found someone who has done more for society than Hitler?
*is perplexed*

Really? I thought the Chinese invented many of those. Which is why in their opinion they are top of the pile and not Caucasians.
Either way. Why can you never find a mod when you need one?

FACT #1: The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers,

So have blacks

[/quote] carved mountains, tamed deserts, [/quote]

So have blacks

[/quote]and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, [/quote]

That was the Chinese.

cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight,

Chinese

rocketry, [/quote]

Chinese

astronomy,

Babylonians/Chinese.

You know this thread doesn't seem to be supporting racial peace either. :confused: I don't get it, why does a black man have to be black enough? Is there some kind of measuring stick? What about a white person, is it possible to be not white enough? And what exactly are we talking about when we say 'black', or 'white'...those terms are pretty ambiguous and encompasses a wide range of people. a conservative black man vs. a liberal black man vs a white man vs...(goes on down the line, eventually including all people) It just doesn't make any sense

Aryan , you should've known better than to add Hitler's name in that list. Now the majority who read it will throw all the rest out the window and focus on your mention of Hitler.

I'm sure you could have found someone who has done more for society than Hitler?
*is perplexed*
Don't worry; is invoking of Godwin's Law garuntees our victory (http://www.simplifiedsigns.org/victory.jpg)

You've just fufilled Godwin's Law - I claim victory (http://www.simplifiedsigns.org/victory.jpg)!

Godwin's Law "If someone brings up Nazis in any conversation that has been going on too long for one of the parties, it can be used as a fair excuse to end the thread and declare victory for the other side."

There are merely 21 replies to this topic. It seems that you are eager to end this discussion because of the fact that there are people here who CLEARLY oppose your views? Let me quote again "If someone brings up Nazis in any conversation that has been going on too long for one of the parties" so, by mentioning Hitler ONCE is too much for you? I can accept that, Hitler and the Nazis are a VERY touchy subject, but by clearly defining this so-called law, you must look at everything logically. Mentioning something ONCE is not the same as mentioning something 100 times, and declaring victory for yourself is about as useless as trying to mix oil with water. But, if you MUST have your 'victory', you can have it ... inside your own head, because victory to us will NEVER be seized by opposing sides.

Sieg Heil -14/88

FACT #1: The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers. (37) (39)


FACT #2: Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his hard burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable. (21) (39)
You know your "facts" don't amount to a hill of beans. Being as there is no biological basis for "race" you can slice the pie any way you want to include and exclude anyone you want. Those people are not representative of a race, and I ask you again, what is the "white" race--are you reffering to skin color, because I seem to know lots of people who are white skinned and are not "white". Most of the "progress" you're talking about is cultural and has nothing to do with "race" in the conventional sense. Also what are you basing your knowledge on, could it possibly be the history books written by the white conquerers? Let me tell you something, there were thiriving empires in the Americas before a white man got there. There were bustling trade and communication networks that stretched across the continent when London was a back water town. "White" man and his accomplishments have nothing to do with it. PS If Hitler were still around, you'd probably be in one of his concentration camps.

Aryan , you should've known better than to add Hitler's name in that list. Now the majority who read it will throw all the rest out the window and focus on your mention of Hitler.

I believe it was someone else who wrote that, actually.


Also, Godwin's law is silly.
"blah blah blah HITLER"
"OMG I WIN END OF DISCUSSION!!!1"

:rolleyes:

FACT #1: The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope,________ firearms, ________photography, ________the phonograph, _________ the automobile, the steam engine, __________the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers. (37) (39)

Italicized inventions appeared first in Asia. I would include clockwork to that. Iron working seems first to have appeared in Africa. I deleted those that are merely permutations of others. And ALL cultures have had astronomy on a mass scale, with the possible exception of the post modern because none of us can see the stars.


[/QUOTE]FACT #2: Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language,[/QUOTE]

Africa had several written languages prior to the arrival of Europeans, but it takes a tremendous amount of commercialization before a phonemic alphabet like ours becomes useful.

weaved cloth, a calendar,
They had both of these.
a plow,
You can't plow African soil, that would destroy it.

a road, a bridge,
These are products of vast empires that only form when lots of people are induced to live in the same place. They had trade routes that worked fine, what does it matter that they didn't put asphalt on them.
He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop
It was in Africa where rice was first cultivated. Crop cultivation only arises on a large scale in areas that have grain. Much of Africa did not.

or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.)
There are very few docile beasts in Africa. Zebra bites injure more zookeepers every year than tigers. Buffalo will engage in combat with lions and have powerful migratory instincts. Cheetahs make wonderful hunting pets, but can't be domesticated because they require miles of space to wander in order to mate. The fact that Europeans managed to domesticate so many animals is that they were lucky enough to have met them.

FACT #2: Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his hard burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable. (21) (39)


http://www.sas.upenn.edu/African_Studies/Bibliography/African_Origins_Math.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/faces.html
http://www.si.edu/resource/faq/nmah/afinvent.htm
http://www.swagga.com/ancient_inventors.htm

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The actual law states, "As a discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one" - Aryan Volk did fufill this.

The actual law states, "As a discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one" - Aryan Volk did fufill this.

So this is enough of a cause to declare victory? ... Lame.

DOES ANYBODY REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO BIOLOGICAL BASIS FOR RACE?! :mp5:

DOES ANYBODY REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO BIOLOBICAL BASIS FOR RACE?! :mp5:

If BIOLOBICAL was a word, I'm sure that sentance would have made more sense.

Anyway I'm done here, no use in trying to argue with a brick wall.

If BIOLOBICAL was a word, I'm sure that sentance would have made more sense.

Anyway I'm done here, no use in trying to argue with a brick wall.
You'd enjoy this smiley :headbang:

Wow. I love the moral depths these people have sunk to. Now, there's such a thing as racial traitors... I'm guessing that Colin Powell and Condi Rice are the great traitors of their race. Alan Keyes is Satan incarnate for all they care. This is just fun!

I believe it was someone else who wrote that, actually.

Ahh a perceptive one. Yes I did not write that however you can find that and 100 more facts on the black beast at this website... It really is a good read. :)

http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html

Here, Maybe this will help http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/02/23/MN94378.DTL
There is no biological basis for race. And in this game, there is no victory.

Wow. I love the moral depths these people have sunk to. Now, there's such a thing as racial traitors... I'm guessing that Colin Powell and Condi Rice are the great traitors of their race. Alan Keyes is Satan incarnate for all they care. This is just fun!
I don't understand why many people I know say that conservatives are racist - in fact, I believe quite the opposite (I'm a libertarian tho). A lot of the liberals I've met are the true intolerant ones.

And I'm sure the liberal idea of Affirmative Action isn't racist, is it? :rolleyes:

Ahh a perceptive one. Yes I did not write that however you can find that and 100 more facts on the black beast at this website... It really is a good read. :)

http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html
Blah, Blah, Blah. Exactly what is the source of your hatred? I just want to know because I don't get it.

I don't understand why many people I know say that conservatives are racist - in fact, I believe quite the opposite (I'm a libertarian tho). A lot of the liberals I've met are the true intolerant ones.

And I'm sure the liberal idea of Affirmative Action isn't racist, is it? :rolleyes:
Now that you mention it, Affirmative Action isn't the best way to deal with inequality, the problem is that no body can think of anything better. I can, but no one would support it...it calls for huge restructuring of society, nobody's ready to do that.

Ahh a perceptive one. Yes I did not write that however you can find that and 100 more facts on the black beast at this website... It really is a good read. :)

http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html
That website was dasrkly funny. Of course, that wasn't its point, but it really doesn't serve a great purpose for anything else.

Now that you mention it, Affirmative Action isn't the best way to deal with inequality, the problem is that no body can think of anything better. I can, but no one would support it...it calls for huge restructuring of society, nobody's ready to do that.
Lots of people can think of a way to do it better.

Just base it off income/social status and not race.

Blah, Blah, Blah. Exactly what is the source of your hatred? I just want to know because I don't get it.

To be honest im a separatist not a supremacist. You could argue night and day about if race is real and all of that but something you can not argue about is there is a differnce in culture between races. No one can deny that just go and look at Harlem or any other non white dominated area. Now when I have kids and a family one day I have to ask myself do I really want my kids growing up around a culture that glorifies drugs and cop killing? I would say most responsible people would agree no they would not. If you say that America will not eventualy be dominated by non whites I ask you to look at these stats.


The Census Bureau says the country will be majority minority by the year 2035.
Here's the data state by state. Of course, I don't know if they took into account the baby boomers dying off, all of the uncountable illegals that are here, and any economic downturn in Mexico and other 3rd world countries that may cause the mud flood to increase. As Whites decline here, the U.S. will no longer be able to support the world, and they will come here for the last few bites of food.
Of course, these numbers are also meaningless, because by the time all of this comes to pass, nobody left in America will remember how to read, write or count.

California already was majority minority, and Hawaii was never majority White:

Before 2025:
Texas, 2004 (already happened).
Arizona, 2016.
Florida, 2018
New York, 2019
Nevada, 2023

From 2025 to 2049:
New Jersey, 2025
Illinois, 2032
Colorado, 2035.
Georgia, 2039
Mississippi, 2039
Oregon, 2046
Massachusetts, 2047
Virginia, 2047
North Carolina, 2048
South Carolina, 2049

From 2050 to 2074:
Rhode Island, 2050
Connecticut, 2051
Washington, 2051
Maryland, 2052
Louisiana, 2056
Kansas, 2058
Utah, 2059
Minnesota, 2062
Idaho, 2063
Nebraska, 2063
Alaska, 2065
Arkansas, 2067
Delaware, 2070
Iowa, 2070
Oklahoma, 2071
Alabama, 2074
New Hampshire, 2074

From 2075 to 2099:
Wisconsin, 2080
Tennessee, 2087
Kentucky, 2092
Indiana, 2098
Wyoming, 2099

Not till the 22nd Century:
North Dakota, 2102
Montana, 2104
Pennsylvania, 2105
Michigan, 2106
South Dakota, 2107
Missouri, 2109
Maine, 2123
Vermont, 2124
Ohio, 2134
West Virginia, 2178

Of course, these numbers are also meaningless, because by the time all of this comes to pass, nobody left in America will remember how to read, write or count.
Because we all know that blacks really just want to destroy society.

That website was dasrkly funny. Of course, that wasn't its point, but it really doesn't serve a great purpose for anything else.
Neo-Anarchists is right, those facts don't prove anything (not to mention that I could blast nearly every one of those "facts") so what is the point?

To be honest im a separatist not a supremacist. You could argue night and day about if race is real and all of that but something you can not argue about is there is a differnce in culture between races. No one can deny that just go and look at Harlem or any other non white dominated area. Now when I have kids and a family one day I have to ask myself do I really want my kids growing up around a culture that glorifies drugs and cop killing? I would say most responsible people would agree no they would not. If you say that America will not eventualy be dominated by non whites I ask you to look at these stats.

OK, I'm getting a better sense of where you're coming from. But I still don't get it. Why do you assume black people glorify drugs and cop killing? I say your info is greatly one sided esp. if you get your info from the media.

By the way, if race were a reality- we would be separate species based on racial divisions, and if that were so, there could be no mixing of races because we would be biologically incompatible.

By the way, if race were a reality- we would be separate species based on racial divisions, and if that were so, there could be no mixing of races because we would be biologically incompatible.
Exactly right. Not only that, but analysis of mytochondrial DNA has proven that every single member of the human race is directly descended from an African "Eve" who lived just over 145,000 years ago. So we are all brothers and sisters and those of you who don't like others because they look different can just get over it!

Reference: http://www.ishipress.com/evedna.htm

Exactly right. Not only that, but analysis of mytochondrial DNA has proven that every single member of the human race is directly descended from an African "Eve" who lived just over 145,000 years ago. So we are all brothers and sisters and those of you who don't like others because they look different can just get over it!

Reference: http://www.ishipress.com/evedna.htm
Thanks Eutrusca! There's actually evidence that human beings came out of Africa Twice! *searches for support*

Why do you assume black people glorify drugs and cop killing

Rap music... Im not saying ALL black people are bad im saying majority rules especially the school systems. Lets take Bill Cosby for an example he seems to be a well educated man and knows what is going on in America here are some quotes he said.

"These people marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around," he declared. "The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids - $500 sneakers for what? And won't spend $200 for 'Hooked on Phonics.'

"I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/195095p-168538c.html

OK, I'm getting a better sense of where you're coming from. But I still don't get it. Why do you assume black people glorify drugs and cop killing? I say your info is greatly one sided esp. if you get your info from the media.

By the way, if race were a reality- we would be separate species based on racial divisions, and if that were so, there could be no mixing of races because we would be biologically incompatible.

Its quite easy to assume that blacks glorify drug use and cop killing. Look at famous rappers for instance. Snoop dog glorifies the use of marijuana in is his lyrics and movies. One name for cop killing comes to mind. Ice Tea. This is what black kids look up to as role models. It is a proven fact that they comit more crime based on percentages because they don't make up the majority of America.

"The FBI's "Hate Crime Statistics" for 1999 show that 2,030 whites were arrested that year for "hate crimes" against blacks, compared to 524 blacks who were arrested and charged with a "hate crime" against whites.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, blacks make up 12.8 percent of the population -- or about 35.4 million of the country's 280 million people -- so, given the arrest rate versus population percentage, the data indicates that blacks are one-and-a-half times more likely to be arrested for a "hate crime" than whites."

Blacks are biologically inferior as well. They typically have lower IQs then whites and they are at a higher risk for AIDS/HIV then any other race in the world.

These aren't assumptions. These have been scientifically proven.

My old high school used to ship blacks in from the city to give them a better opportunity to learn. They have abused the privilage. They cheat at school, they cause fights, they steal. All of this I have witnessed first hand. I live down the street from the school and watched has 12 of them robbed the shed of my neighbor. I lived in Florida as well and they are no different there. Both communities I have lived in were cery clean with upstanding citizens. When you introduce blacks to these communities they begin to deteriorate. Just look at Detroit. I feel bad for whites who have to live there. The place is a slum.

Its these so called black role models whom they look up to that tell them it is ok to shoot a cop, do drugs, defile women, and other illegal activities. You can take the ****** out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the ******.

Most of the racism I've seen has actually come from "liberals" - let's see, Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was an ex-KKK member; it was the liberals who created Affirmative Action, etc.

Yes, I have noticed this to. NAACP is Liberal organization. Which in effect is institutional racism against anyone not black. In fact there are dozens of black organizations that exclude whites or Latin American and anyone else for that matter. So if Black Americans want to squash racism. Look upon yourselves also please. Because I see alot of racist in the Black community as well as others. Enough of the special interest racial organizations. Its getting old now.

Thanks Eutrusca! There's actually evidence that human beings came out of Africa Twice! *searches for support*


All I can say is read this.

http://www.white-history.com/

You can't plow African soil, that would destroy it.

Why is that? I've never heard this before and am interested in why plowing it would destroy it.

-Aryan Volk
Good point, but Bill Cosby is referring to the idea that it's not cool for a black person to act "white". Acting "white" tends to encompass doing well in school, etc. I'm not saying this is the right way to look at things, but if you consider a poor black family, being exposed to American middle class values, and they ask themselves, why don't we have this. they try to emulate these values through the material objects. The problem then is that the way Americans find exceptable to attain this status, is to go to school, get a good education, and then get a good job, but, and I'm sure you'll agree with me, it's a fact that schools (esp. public ones) in black neighborhoods are underfunded and can't provide everything these kids need to be able to successfully compete with kids who attend better schools. What it boils down to is not that black people reject "white" american values, but rather even if they were to try, they would fail. Many don't bother to ask why that is, that's just the way it is. so lots of them go into other means of achieving the same status, drug dealing, stealing, etc. If you were to go to Black Harlem, you would probably find a lot of discontented people who feel like they have the cards stacked against them. And lets face it, if all the people around you get arrested or killed by the age of 25, and you think that too will be your fate, something you can't escape from, how motivated would you be to go to school? I'm not saying it's always like this, for lots of black people it's not. What I'm saying is that I don't think you consider the other side.

Its quite easy to assume that blacks glorify drug use and cop killing. Look at famous rappers for instance. Snoop dog glorifies the use of marijuana in is his lyrics and movies. One name for cop killing comes to mind. Ice Tea. This is what black kids look up to as role models. It is a proven fact that they comit more crime based on percentages because they don't make up the majority of America.

"The FBI's "Hate Crime Statistics" for 1999 show that 2,030 whites were arrested that year for "hate crimes" against blacks, compared to 524 blacks who were arrested and charged with a "hate crime" against whites.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, blacks make up 12.8 percent of the population -- or about 35.4 million of the country's 280 million people -- so, given the arrest rate versus population percentage, the data indicates that blacks are one-and-a-half times more likely to be arrested for a "hate crime" than whites."

Blacks are biologically inferior as well. They typically have lower IQs then whites and they are at a higher risk for AIDS/HIV then any other race in the world.

These aren't assumptions. These have been scientifically proven.

My old high school used to ship blacks in from the city to give them a better opportunity to learn. They have abused the privilage. They cheat at school, they cause fights, they steal. All of this I have witnessed first hand. I live down the street from the school and watched has 12 of them robbed the shed of my neighbor. I lived in Florida as well and they are no different there. Both communities I have lived in were cery clean with upstanding citizens. When you introduce blacks to these communities they begin to deteriorate. Just look at Detroit. I feel bad for whites who have to live there. The place is a slum.

Its these so called black role models whom they look up to that tell them it is ok to shoot a cop, do drugs, defile women, and other illegal activities. You can take the ****** out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the ******.
I have two words for you: Racial Profiling

And lets face it, if all the people around you get arrested or killed by the age of 25, and you think that too will be your fate, something you can't escape from, how motivated would you be to go to school?

That just proves another point on how blacks are lazy. If you think you were going to die at 25 wouldn't you do something constructive to save yourself? It is their fault they are where they are. Hell they even get special treatment from higher education because they are black. So if they think they have it so bad then they are wrong. If race didnt matter then those bubbles would not be on the SATs, etc. But clearly it is a big deal.

All I can say is read this.

http://www.white-history.com/

That's so ridiculous it's laughable.

I have two words for you: Racial Profiling

Wow then the FBI must be on it too. Maybe the government made a huge error in their calculations.

Students at Bowdoin College in Maine are shredding the College Republicans there for inviting a black conservative to speak on campus during Black History Month, according to the student paper there.[/url]

This is amazing. Here we have a college that is supposed to be for the free exchange of ideas, staunch supporters of freedom of speech trying, and promoters of tolerance trying to ban a person of African American heritage from speaking because he is a conservative. Just goes to show you how utterly two faced and intolerant some liberals can be.

Blacks are biologically inferior as well. They typically have lower IQs then whites

Source? And the Bell Jar doesn't count. It is junk science.
So a source from an impartial organisation.

and they are at a higher risk for AIDS/HIV then any other race in the world.

So? There happens to be a huge AIDs epidemic in Africa at the moment, which I think skews the figures somewhat.

That's so ridiculous it's laughable.


Why is that? Is it because its more constructed and well written then your liberal california article?

This is amazing. Here we have a college that is supposed to be for the free exchange of ideas, staunch supporters of freedom of speech trying, and promoters of tolerance trying to ban a person of African American heritage from speaking because he is a conservative. Just goes to show you how utterly two faced and intolerant some liberals can be.
:fluffle: If only for using the word 'some' :)

Though I agree that what the students are doing is dispicable. It is only a short step away from effectively saying that blacks can only have this ideology.

To be honest im a separatist not a supremacist.


Then you would support other separatists like Louis Faffakhan and the Nation of Islam?

That just proves another point on how blacks are lazy. If you think you were going to die at 25 wouldn't you do something constructive to save yourself? It is their fault they are where they are. Hell they even get special treatment from higher education because they are black. So if they think they have it so bad then they are wrong. If race didnt matter then those bubbles would not be on the SATs, etc. But clearly it is a big deal.
The SATs etc. were also written (primarily) by white people. Could it be that the score gap is related to cultural and class differences or the fact that the poorly funded black schools couldn't prepare you well?
You can't say all blacks are lazy, that's like saying all whites are successful. You probably wouldn't try to do something constructive to save yourself if you felt there was nothing that could work, but what I'm really trying to say is for the people who do try, who do want a good education, many of them never make it because they just don't have the means to pull themselves out of their situation. I will agree that there is lots of racism within the black community, and that lots of their status is self-induced, but I also feel that you can't just say they're lazy and that's their fault, because there are other factors too.

Why is that? Is it because its more constructed and well written then your liberal california article?
"Constructed" is right. What good is "Constructed" truth? Truth isn't even the right word for this, it's just wrong.

Wow then the FBI must be on it too. Maybe the government made a huge error in their calculations.
The FBI are joke too. I'm not disputing their numbers, I'm saying that there are more black people in jail because they're targeted by police, hence racial profiling. I also know that black people are senteced to jail for more minor crimes than other races, and I also know that for any crime a black person will get a harsher sentence than a white person. Numbers talk, yeah, but you got to look at what they're really saying.

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/African_Studies/Bibliography/African_Origins_Math.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/faces.html
http://www.si.edu/resource/faq/nmah/afinvent.htm
http://www.swagga.com/ancient_inventors.htm
http://www.si.edu/resource/faq/nmah/afroam.htm


These links refute the idiotic notion that Africans and African Americans have contributed nothing to civilization... unless you consider the University of Pennsylvania, Princeton, and the Smithsonian Institution 'questionable' sites.

:rolleyes:

I am so FUCKING ashamed where this thread has gone. Sorry, I very seldom swear, but this has me pissed off.

I start a thread about intellectual censorship and liberal intolerance. I step away for a few hours and it ends up being hijacked by bigots and people lame enough to feed them.

This thread sank long ago into a cesspool of racist ignorance, misinformation and nothing at all realated to the topic I bagan with.

Kat - please close this thread and accept my apology for the behavior of the asshole bigots within.

-The Boz

Blacks are biologically inferior as well. They typically have lower IQs then whites and they are at a higher risk for AIDS/HIV then any other race in the world.

I've already addressed the issue of IQs. The reason that Blacks are at a higher risk for AIDS/HIV is because that the statistics includes Africa, a huge continent of people. they are not biologically inferior, but rather lack information and treatment facilities. Misinformantion is really crucial in this AIDS problem. Many beleive that by having sex with a virgin girl will get rid of their AIDS, spreading the disease to others. I beleive something like 2/3 of the population in Africa have AIDS or are infected with the HIV virus. And when so large a population is infected, the chances of getting the disease skyrocket. Not to mention that a lot of the societies in Africa are polygamous.

I am so FUCKING ashamed where this thread has gone. Sorry, I very seldom swear, but this has me pissed off.

I start a thread about intellectual censorship and liberal intolerance. I step away for a few hours and it ends up being hijacked by bigots and people lame enough to feed them.

This thread sank long ago into a cesspool of racist ignorance, misinformation and nothing at all realated to the topic I bagan with.

Kat - please close this thread and accept my apology for the behavior of the asshole bigots within.

-The Boz
I Second the motion! And Bozzy, I'm not sure if you were referring to me as "lame enough to feed them", but I really just wanted to address their misinfo. Your probably right, that if I had just left them to it, they would run out of things to say. Sorry.

Are yall doing blowing each other? Because I mean really enough. You all need to take your thumbs out of your ass and look at what is going on in the world.

I Second the motion!
I third that motion.

And if any of you think our cause is dying and not at its full power... Go google up russian neo-nazis or just far right movements in europe... You will find our cause is stronger then ever.

The National Democratic Party (NPD) - which the government has tried to ban - surged to 9% in Saxony, well above the 5% needed to enter parliament there.

Germany's government has described the NPD as a latter-day version of Hitler's Nazi party and tried to ban it last year - a move rejected by the constitutional court.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3669974.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/20/germany.elections/

Way to go brothers!

I third that motion.I fourth that motion.

I fourth that motion.
I second it for the second time, and I'll also 26th it!
Take that!

A lot of the liberals I've met are the true intolerant ones.

Agreed.

Anyway, it's funny how you (Bozzy) thought that by bringing up the subject of race and politics it would ONLY attract those that AGREE to YOUR views. Don't like where it's gone? Don't bring up contraversial subjects, things like this RARELY stay on the same track.

I am so FUCKING ashamed where this thread has gone. Sorry, I very seldom swear, but this has me pissed off.

I start a thread about intellectual censorship and liberal intolerance. I step away for a few hours and it ends up being hijacked by bigots and people lame enough to feed them.

This thread sank long ago into a cesspool of racist ignorance, misinformation and nothing at all realated to the topic I bagan with.

Kat - please close this thread and accept my apology for the behavior of the asshole bigots within.

-The Boz

I sixth that motion.

Agreed.

Anyway, it's funny how you (Bozzy) thought that by bringing up the subject of race and politics it would ONLY attract those that AGREE to YOUR views. Don't like where it's gone? Don't bring up contraversial subjects, things like this RARELY stay on the same track.
The people who were supposed to reply were on the far left, not people like you. Why don't you come out and say that Vernon James just wasn't white enough?

I think closing this thread would be a bad idea, what with free speech and all. It would be quite sufficient for everyone to ignore it until certain of its posters drowned in their own vitriol. And small loss, frankly.

Its quite easy to assume that blacks glorify drug use and cop killing. Look at famous rappers for instance. Snoop dog glorifies the use of marijuana in is his lyrics and movies....

Al Pacino glorified drug-dealing in Scarface. Does that mean people should be drug dealers?

Marlon Brando glorified organized crime in the Godfather. Does that mean he was in the Mafia?

George Burns played God in "Oh God!" opposite John Denver. Does that mean a 90 year old cigar smoking Jewish comedian was actually God?

Are yall doing blowing each other? Because I mean really enough. You all need to take your thumbs out of your ass and look at what is going on in the world.


SECOND WARNING: OBSCENITY, FLAMING. 5 Day ban
Perhaps when you return from your forumban, you will have learned to treat other posters civilly.

-snip-
So will this thread remain open? :confused:

So have blacks

carved mountains, tamed deserts,

So have blacks

and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press,

That was the Chinese.



Chinese

rocketry,

Chinese

Astronomy

Babylonians/Chinese.

A valiant effort my friend, but Guutenberg (printing press) was white. Refined rocketry was the whites (Tsiolkovsky among many others). The first ingredients for Gunpowder were discovered by the Chinese, but Roger Bacon refined and defined it's usage. Astronomy was very popular with Babylonians, Chinese, and Mayans to be certain, but that's not to say it was equally important to whites. Cornelius Copernicus (white) having come up with the idea that the Sun was the center of the known universe is probably the most influential Astrologist behind Newton (white) having determined the laws behind the planets' movements.

However, this isn't to say that Blacks or other races haven't contributed -- just your specific points of defense are invalid. Above my post are many links to scientific contributions by Blacks (numerous considering how little time they've had to accomplish them all).

A valiant effort my friend, but Guutenberg (printing press) was white.

The chinese had already invented it though. Admittedly, Gutenberg did refine it and exploit its uses far better.

Refined rocketry was the whites (Tsiolkovsky among many others). The first ingredients for Gunpowder were discovered by the Chinese, but Roger Bacon refined and defined it's usage. Astronomy was very popular with Babylonians, Chinese, and Mayans to be certain, but that's not to say it was equally important to whites. Cornelius Copernicus (white) having come up with the idea that the Sun was the center of the known universe is probably the most influential Astrologist behind Newton (white) having determined the laws behind the planets' movements.

Yes they were refined by whites, but he was claiming they were invented by whites.

However, this isn't to say that Blacks or other races haven't contributed -- just your specific points of defense are invalid. Above my post are many links to scientific contributions by Blacks (numerous considering how little time they've had to accomplish them all).

True, I was a bit bored, so didn't pay much attention. :)

I would have invited Malcolm X mainly because he kicks ass but also because February is the month when he was assassinated.

:rolleyes: Inviting dead people is often effective.

Where I live, Black History Month is a huge community thing. Even though I'm not black, I get invited cause I've been living in the area for... my whole life - and cause I have no white friends :p

The Census Bureau says the country will be majority minority by the year 2035.
Here's the data state by state. Of course, I don't know if they took into account the baby boomers dying off, all of the uncountable illegals that are here, and any economic downturn in Mexico and other 3rd world countries that may cause the mud flood to increase. As Whites decline here, the U.S. will no longer be able to support the world, and they will come here for the last few bites of food.
Of course, these numbers are also meaningless, because by the time all of this comes to pass, nobody left in America will remember how to read, write or count.

California already was majority minority, and Hawaii was never majority White:

Before 2025:
Texas, 2004 (already happened).
Arizona, 2016.
Florida, 2018
New York, 2019
Nevada, 2023

From 2025 to 2049:
New Jersey, 2025
Illinois, 2032
Colorado, 2035.
Georgia, 2039
Mississippi, 2039
Oregon, 2046
Massachusetts, 2047
Virginia, 2047
North Carolina, 2048
South Carolina, 2049

From 2050 to 2074:
Rhode Island, 2050
Connecticut, 2051
Washington, 2051
Maryland, 2052
Louisiana, 2056
Kansas, 2058
Utah, 2059
Minnesota, 2062
Idaho, 2063
Nebraska, 2063
Alaska, 2065
Arkansas, 2067
Delaware, 2070
Iowa, 2070
Oklahoma, 2071
Alabama, 2074
New Hampshire, 2074

From 2075 to 2099:
Wisconsin, 2080
Tennessee, 2087
Kentucky, 2092
Indiana, 2098
Wyoming, 2099

Not till the 22nd Century:
North Dakota, 2102
Montana, 2104
Pennsylvania, 2105
Michigan, 2106
South Dakota, 2107
Missouri, 2109
Maine, 2123
Vermont, 2124
Ohio, 2134
West Virginia, 2178
Why do I care? I can live with being a minority by virtue of skin color. Other people have done it. Society evolves. You need to do so or become an anachronism. Actually, we're fortunate you already are.

At one point Irish and German immigrants were thought of as being inferior and detrimental to society. People got over it and the world did not descend inti chaos. My great-grandmother was disinheirited for marrying an Irishman.

Al Pacino glorified drug-dealing in Scarface. Does that mean people should be drug dealers?

Marlon Brando glorified organized crime in the Godfather. Does that mean he was in the Mafia?

George Burns played God in "Oh God!" opposite John Denver. Does that mean a 90 year old cigar smoking Jewish comedian was actually God?

First off those rappers do that at their own will as nobody is writing their music for them. Movies are scripted. Pacino played a cuban(not white),
Mafia is made up of mostly sicilians(not white). Third, what does someone playing god have anything to do with promoting drugs and death?

Keep trying.

Mafia is made up of mostly sicilians(not white).
Since when were Italians not considered white? After all, many of the things listed as being 'white' inventions were at the very least aided in their development by Italians (Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo Galilei, the Roman Empire, etc.).

Since when were Italians not considered white? After all, many of the things listed as being 'white' inventions were at the very least aided in their development by Italians (Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo Galilei, the Roman Empire, etc.).

Italians are white. Not sicillians.

Italians are white. Not sicillians.
Why not? Sicily has been ruled by Europeans (first Greeks, then Italics) for at least the past 2500 years.

point to where it says somewhere that the roman empire was sicillian.

Italians are white. Not sicillians.

How about mafia out of Napoli, are they white?