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I want to see how obstinate I am, and how persuasive you are, so try to convince me of something. Anything.

You might want to ask if I'm already convinced of something. If you try to convince me of something and I've already convinced myself previously on that, it doesn't count.

Convincings to date: 0

Pigs can fly, trust me they can.

If you try to convince me of something and I've already convinced myself previously on that, it doesn't count.
Damn, there go all my plans.

The muppets are real - they aren't just puppets. They're living, breathing creatures, just like you and me.

Damn, there go all my plans.
Neo Anarchists is really a man.

42 is the ultimate answer to the question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. Try it; what is 6x7?

Originally posted by Santa Barbara
Convincings to date: 0

Convincings to Date: 1 :p

I want to see how obstinate I am, and how persuasive you are, so try to convince me of something. Anything.

You might want to ask if I'm already convinced of something. If you try to convince me of something and I've already convinced myself previously on that, it doesn't count.

Convincings to date: 0

Care to be convinced that I'm beautiful? Oh no wait... everyone's already convinced of that... :p

I was thinking something more political. You know, like the political belief that NAMBLA has that it should be legal for old men to fuck little boys. Or the political belief that some fundies have that all beings have souls, and all souls are precious, therefore abortion should be illegal and we should bomb the shit out of [some_foreign_country].

I already knew Neo-Anarchists is a man, pigs can fly and muppets are real.

All Americans are fat and stupid.

its a well known fact throughout Europe

;)

All Americans are fat and stupid.

its a well known fact throughout Europe

;)

Harr! Convince me. I can certainly believe there are a lot of fat and stupid Americans. But if I were to believe we ALL are fat and stupid... well, I'm not fat, so you have to convince me otherwise. We'll deal with stupid later.

The future is Communism. :) Seriously, Carl Marx was a genious. the USSR did not execute it well, but besides Socialiam there have been workarounds throught up to the problem of personal greed.

Okay...I know a guy who thinks (or at least theorised) that President Bush plans to bring about the apocalypse by invading Iraq.

EDIT: I'll elaborate on this. There is a certain river which flows through Iraq, a river with a long and unmemorable name (hence, I cannot remember it myself). Apparently it is prophesised that the apocalypse will happen on that river, or that it will be caused by a war there.

Harr! Convince me. I can certainly believe there are a lot of fat and stupid Americans. But if I were to believe we ALL are fat and stupid... well, I'm not fat, so you have to convince me otherwise. We'll deal with stupid later.
well, if a European says it, it must be true!

Four is everything, everything is four.
Just observe:
Love has four letters. Therefor love is four.
Hate has four letters. Therefor hate is four.
God has three letters. The word three has five letters. Five has four letters. Four has four letters.. so ultimately God is four.
Pancakes has eight letters. Eight is five. Five is four. Pancakes are four.

Four is everything, everything is four.

Nostradamus said the world is going to end in 2007.

Bananas are bent because they don't fit in the peel if they'd be straight

I want to see how obstinate I am, and how persuasive you are, so try to convince me of something. Anything.

You might want to ask if I'm already convinced of something. If you try to convince me of something and I've already convinced myself previously on that, it doesn't count.

Convincings to date: 0

White is Black.

We accept in this age of computers that all data can be digitised. All information is digital. Essentially, at its base level, the fact is that all things can be broken down into two states, Yes and No. All digital information breaks down to this binary level, Yes or No.

Consider our Sun, our Sun is a yellow star. Bright as it is, it is not a white star. Our human eyes are trained to perceive all the colours we see based on the reflected light of our yellow Sun. So what we perceive to be white, is actually yellow. It reflects the full spectrum of light that hits it, but that light is itself yellow tinted. What we believe to be white is, in it's binary state; a 0, not a 1, a No, not a Yes.

Given that all things can be broken down to a binary state, the full spectrum of colours eventually breaks down into a Yes/No binary proposition; White or Black. White reflects every possible spectrum of light, all other things are shades of black, absorbing frequencies rather than passing them on to our eyes. We know what we call White is actually yellow, noty white, so at the most fundamental and basic binary level, it must be Black.

Harr! Convince me. I can certainly believe there are a lot of fat and stupid Americans. But if I were to believe we ALL are fat and stupid... well, I'm not fat, so you have to convince me otherwise. We'll deal with stupid later.

It appears most US citizens think their country is a democracy. The countries leader, George W. Bush, is repeatedly heard stating that he wishes to spread Democracy, which implies the government does too. In a democracy only the majority counts, minorities are irrelevant. Therefor if 51% of the US citizens is stupid and fat, all US citizens are stupid and fat. Defining fat as weighing more than the ideal weight, and stupid as in doing non-rational things from time to time these conditions are probably met.

pick one:

-Iraq invasion was a bad idea.
-The pope is still alive!
-It isn't going well with the US financely.
-The USA is not the free-est nation.
-Bush was elected fairly.
-Terrorists are the number one threat for the USA.
-Euthanasie should be illegal and the death penality should be legal in every state.
...

It appears most US citizens think their country is a democracy. The countries leader, George W. Bush, is repeatedly heard stating that he wishes to spread Democracy, which implies the government does too. In a democracy only the majority counts, minorities are irrelevant. Therefor if 51% of the US citizens is stupid and fat, all US citizens are stupid and fat. Defining fat as weighing more than the ideal weight, and stupid as in doing non-rational things from time to time these conditions are probably met.

And now, I convince the thread starter guy that by such rationale as has been exposed above, Earth is stupid!

White is Black.

We accept in this age of computers that all data can be digitised. All information is digital. Essentially, at its base level, the fact is that all things can be broken down into two states, Yes and No. All digital information breaks down to this binary level, Yes or No.

Consider our Sun, our Sun is a yellow star. Bright as it is, it is not a white star. Our human eyes are trained to perceive all the colours we see based on the reflected light of our yellow Sun. So what we perceive to be white, is actually yellow. It reflects the full spectrum of light that hits it, but that light is itself yellow tinted. What we believe to be white is, in it's binary state; a 0, not a 1, a No, not a Yes.

Given that all things can be broken down to a binary state, the full spectrum of colours eventually breaks down into a Yes/No binary proposition; White or Black. White reflects every possible spectrum of light, all other things are shades of black, absorbing frequencies rather than passing them on to our eyes. We know what we call White is actually yellow, noty white, so at the most fundamental and basic binary level, it must be Black.

Interesting... but I'm not convinced. ;) An interpretation (binary data) is not the same as the actuality of the thing. The interpretation chosen (by me anyway) for 'white' and 'black' is defined overwhelmingly by my own senses. If white were black, they would be interchangable before my eyes, and they aren't. Because I can see a difference when the binary interpretation would have me believe they are the same tells me that the actuality is that black is not white. Black and white may be similar on a binary level, but on the operating levels of our consensus reality they are separate.

Whew! All that just to show I'm a stubborn bastard.

I like that, though. I'll probably give it more thought.

White is Black.

Beautiful :) Not entirely correct, but beautiful :)

Adam Duritz should not do the whole pineapple head thing again. Ever.

Interesting... but I'm not convinced. ;) An interpretation (binary data) is not the same as the actuality of the thing. The interpretation chosen (by me anyway) for 'white' and 'black' is defined overwhelmingly by my own senses. If white were black, they would be interchangable before my eyes, and they aren't. Because I can see a difference when the binary interpretation would have me believe they are the same tells me that the actuality is that black is not white. Black and white may be similar on a binary level, but on the operating levels of our consensus reality they are separate.

Whew! All that just to show I'm a stubborn bastard.

I like that, though. I'll probably give it more thought.

That one's always been a tough sell, I'll get someone to believe it one day though, then I'll invent the black lightbulb and make a fortune!

Elvis is not coming back.

Bedevere stands on a stage in front of a large crowd of wild villagers.

Villager: We have found a witch, may we burn her?
Crowd: BURN!! BUUUURN HER!
Bedevere: But how do you *know* she is a witch?
Villager: She looks like one!
Other Villagers: Yeah! She looks like one!!!
Bedevere: Bring her forward.

(a young woman is pushed through the crowd of villagers to the platform. She
is dressed all in black, has a carrot tied around her face on top of her nose,
and a black paper hat on her head. She talks funny because her nose is
closed by the carrot.)

Witch: I'm not a witch, I'm not a witch!
Bedevere: Er,...but you are dressed as one.
Witch: THEY dressed me up like this.
Villagers: No! nooo! We didn't! We didn't!
Witch: And this isn't my nose, it's a false one!

(Bedevere lifts up the carrot to reveal the woman's real nose, which is in
fact rather small.)

Bedevere: Well?
One Villager: Well, we did do the nose.
Bedevere: The nose?
Villager: And the Hat. But she's a witch!
Villagers: Yeah! Burn her! Burn! Burn her!
B: Did you dress her up like this?
Villagers: NO! No, no, no, no, no, no...
One Villager: yes.
Villagers: yes. yes. yes. A bit. yes. a bit. a bit.
Another Villager: (hopefully) She has got a wart...
B: What makes you think she is a witch?
Villager: Well, She turned me into a newt!!

(pause)

Bedevere: a newt?

(long pause)

Villager: I got better...
Villagers: BURN HER anyway! BURN! BURN! BURN HER!
B: Quiet, quiet, quiet, QUIETA There are ways of *telling* whether she
is a witch!
Villagers: Are there? What? Tell us, then! Tell us!
B: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
V: BUUUURN!!!!! BUUUUUURRRRNN!!!!! You BURN them!!!! BURN!!
B: And what do you burn apart from witches?
Villager: More Witches!
Other Villager: Wood.
B: So. Why do witches burn?

(long silence)
(shuffling of feet by the villagers)

Villager: (tentatively) Because they're made of.....wood?
B: Goooood!
Other Villagers: oh yeah... oh....
B: So. How do we tell whether she is made of wood?
One Villager: Build a bridge out of 'er!
B: Aah. But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
Villagers: oh yeah. oh. umm...
B: Does wood sink in water?
One Villager: No! No, no, it floats!
Other Villager: Throw her into the pond!
Villagers: yaaaaaa!

(when order is restored)

B: What also floats in water?
Villager: Bread!
Another Villager: Apples!
Another Villager: Uh...very small rocks!
Another Villager: Cider!
Another Villager: Uh...great gravy!
Another Villager: Cherries!
Another Villager: Mud!
Another Villager: Churches! Churches!
Another Villager: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck!
Villagers: (in amazement) ooooooh!
B: exACTly!
B: (to a villager) So, *logically*...
Villager: (very slowly, with pauses between each word)
If...she...weighs the same as a duck......she's made of wood.
B: and therefore...

(pause)

Villager: A Witch!
All Villagers: A WITCH!

(they do consequently weigh her across from a duck on Bedevere's largest
scale, and she does indeed weigh the same as the duck.)

Witch: (to camera) It's a fair cop.

Thereafter follows the knighting of Bedevere and the reading of the list of
other knights:

Sir Bedevere the Wise
Sir Lancelot the Brave
Sir Galahad the Pure
Sir Robin, the Not So Brave As Sir Launcelot,
who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angor
who had nearly stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol
and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Badon Hill.
and the aptly named
Sir Not Appearing In This Film.

It appears most US citizens think their country is a democracy. The countries leader, George W. Bush, is repeatedly heard stating that he wishes to spread Democracy, which implies the government does too. In a democracy only the majority counts, minorities are irrelevant. Therefor if 51% of the US citizens is stupid and fat, all US citizens are stupid and fat. Defining fat as weighing more than the ideal weight, and stupid as in doing non-rational things from time to time these conditions are probably met.

First, what most US citizens think is irrelevant to what I think.

Secondly, democracy is based on a logical fallacy, ad populus<sp?>. So, logically 'majority rules' cannot be used anymore than any other fallacy, to prove a thing.

Most importantly the statement wasn't that a majority of US citizens were fat and stupid, but that all were. I can never agree to that until I am convinced that there are no exceptions, including myself, and I am among the least fat people I know.

Beautiful :) Not entirely correct, but beautiful :)

*blushes*

Let's go with political. Do you already believe that we should open up free trade with North Korea?

Nothing is better than omnipotence.
A stale donut is better than nothing.
Therefore, a stale donut is better than omnipotence.

pick one:

-Iraq invasion was a bad idea.
-The pope is still alive!
-It isn't going well with the US financely.
-The USA is not the free-est nation.
-Bush was elected fairly.
-Terrorists are the number one threat for the USA.
-Euthanasie should be illegal and the death penality should be legal in every state.
...

-Not entirely convinced on that. Generally I tend to oppose the occupation, but the invasion itself made enough sense.
-Isn't he? Already convinced.
-Also not entirely convinced; not enough data for me.
-Already convinced.
-Not convinced either way. But then how fair is any 'election?' About as fair as having your school grades computed solely by a voting body of all the students.
-Not convinced. I say be careful those who hunt monsters...
-Not convinced on that one either.

Ehh... you pick one. :p

Let's go with political. Do you already believe that we should open up free trade with North Korea?

Hmm, sure, why not? It's not as if being a trade protectionist here will get their government to like us, so we may as well get some profit out of it instead of sitting around wishing the nasty N.Koreans would stop with the nasty nukes and militarism already.

First, what most US citizens think is irrelevant to what I think.

Not in a democracy :p

Secondly, democracy is based on a logical fallacy, ad populus<sp?>. So, logically 'majority rules' cannot be used anymore than any other fallacy, to prove a thing.

Awww.. drat, you are on to me ;)

what is your standing on true communism, santa barbara?

-Not entirely convinced on that. Generally I tend to oppose the occupation, but the invasion itself made enough sense.
-Isn't he? Already convinced.
-Also not entirely convinced; not enough data for me.
-Already convinced.
-Not convinced either way. But then how fair is any 'election?' About as fair as having your school grades computed solely by a voting body of all the students.
-Not convinced. I say be careful those who hunt monsters...
-Not convinced on that one either.

Ehh... you pick one. :p
-You convinced me. :)
-'kay
-I red somewhere that if the USA gave all his income in one year to pay of his debt, it still ins't enough. They have more debt than any other Western European country. a site. (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)
-'kay
-too subjective, 'kay
-good
-Uh, wait I agree with you there...

Let me list a few things to potentially convince you of:

Government marriage should be eliminated
We should open up free trade with just about everybody
Bush is a liberal

I'll come up with other stuff later. Tell me if you don't agree with one of these.

Nothing is better than omnipotence.
A stale donut is better than nothing.
Therefore, a stale donut is better than omnipotence.

oooooo! let's all worship the stale donut!
(gets donut and raises it in the air and gets a bunch of people to walk around with stale donuts shooting everyone who won't worship it)

*Bows down to the stale do(ugh)nut*

Government marriage should be eliminated
We should open up free trade with just about everybody
Bush is a liberal

Not sure what government marriage is. Doesn't sound very good to me, if it's based on government love... and government sex... government kids in a government house. Actually, that all depends on how good government sex is.

Free trade - yes.
Bush a liberal? I don't know. As in, loves the concept of freedom? I think not. As in, favors big government and loony moral fundamentalism (LMF)? Yes.

what is your standing on true communism, santa barbara?

Communism, like almost any kind of government (including anarchism) or societal arrangement (including bisexual orgyism), can work on a small scale. A scale in which all members voluntarily choose to partake of it. But then we're really talking about a commune here or something similar; a bunch of like-minded people go off and form their own mini-society off in the woods or whatever.

But that's the thing. They have to go out into the woods; isolation (and the granting consent or non-oppposition of the actual government) is their only way of surviving intact. Communism doesn't compete.

In short I think communists are at best misguided idealists and at worst self-righteous fools.

Communism, like almost any kind of government (including anarchism) or societal arrangement (including bisexual orgyism), can work on a small scale. A scale in which all members voluntarily choose to partake of it. But then we're really talking about a commune here or something similar; a bunch of like-minded people go off and form their own mini-society off in the woods or whatever.

But that's the thing. They have to go out into the woods; isolation (and the granting consent or non-oppposition of the actual government) is their only way of surviving intact. Communism doesn't compete.

In short I think communists are at best misguided idealists and at worst self-righteous fools.

hmm... interesting.

First off, i would like to state one thing concerning Communism and how it apparently would occur, succesfully, that is. one main condition for it is an extremely heavily industrialized society(i.e. britain, germany, etc, back in marx' days.)

As for the actual process, in essence, marx called for a revolution, where the proleteriate(industrial workers, etc) would rise up and wrest control from the bourgeousie(factory owners, rich folk controlling the state). This, most always, would involve violence, not sneaking into the woods and forming a commune outside of the state's eyes. Now, if this said revolution took place, and in fact completely overthrew the bourgeousie, then the real difficult process could begin, which would end up with complete 'communal' control of the nation, with little to no government. Honestly the end result looks a lot closer to anarchy than much else, so for the sake of my rationale, ill call it a socialist-anarchist state. you work for the whole and the whole works for you, but theres no leadership to speak of. Now, if youre making products that you see going to your neighbor, and not into a landfill, you'll be much more content at the end of the day, and you wont make more than is required by the market. if the market demands, say, 1200 boots, the factory makes 1200 boots, no more.
although i realize that its an almost purely economical feat that i would hope exists one day, its nice to think about. that(incoherently, sorry, im even confusing myself lately) explains my point as much as i can right now.... kotor II calls!(im such a fuggin loser :p)

Hmmm...what can I convince you of today...aha!

I'm a stupid asshole.