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I was just talking to a friend of mine over IM about how life just kinda sucks in general. Unfortunately, she's a complete optimist, and she thinks that anyone who thinks this way can never be happy. Now, I disagree with this.

I believe that a person with this outlook, that life and the world just sucks, and nothing will matter in the end, can be just as happy or even happier than optimists--provided that they grasp and accept a this idea: Nothing matters.

Nothing matters in the end, so why worry about anything in life? Living this way, not caring about trivial things every day, in other words, just living life to its fullest, would make me much happier than just living in an illusion every day, that there is a meaning to it all. I say fuck it all and just have fun with this little piece of playground that you've gotten--life.

My friend vehemently disagrees with this, and told me a string of things like "you'll never be happy," "you'll be an old spinster and no one will love you," and "you won't have any friends." But it seems to me that a person with such an open and honest outlook on life, just enjoying it, would attract people to them. Now, I'm not saying I've accepted all this for myself, so I still have a while to go before I can really become happy, but knowing these things is a good first step to being able to accept them.

What is your opinion an all this? Life? Happiness? What do you need to attain it? etc.

No one wants to respond? Damn I'm a thread killer. This one's dead before it begins.

Oh, and by the way, she's a very good friend, despite the "you'll have no friends" bit. We just had a little spat after I "Psht."-ed at her ranting about her love for her boyfriend, and somehow it led to this. :rolleyes:

apathy is the key to much in distraught times. At some point so much shit has hit the fan that you really couldn't care less if more did.

apathy is the key to much in distraught times. At some point so much shit has hit the fan that you really couldn't care less if more did.
Yeah, the shit in my life seems to be very attracted to the fan, so I'm probably a classic example.

Hakuna Matata! :p

Hakuna Matata! :p
lol, I was waiting for someone to say that. :D

what the hell is this thread about?

what the hell is this thread about?
...what it says in the first post...

I'm still trying to figure that one out. Though I'm sure I'd have figured it out a long time ago if I wasn't so damn tired.

lol, I was waiting for someone to say that. :D

*bows* No worries, Eh? :D

Ah, okay, I see now.

I'd be getting a full dose of life if I wasn't in home school. I'd have friends, we'd do things, go to the movies on Friday and Saturday night, and have parties. Sadly, I've not done one of those things even once in my life, and it's thanks to home school.

Home school is bad, people. Very, very bad.

Ah, okay, I see now.

I'd be getting a full dose of life if I wasn't in home school. I'd have friends, we'd do things, go to the movies on Friday and Saturday night, and have parties. Sadly, I've not done one of those things even once in my life, and it's thanks to home school.

Home school is bad, people. Very, very bad.

the only home-schooled person i know was a uber conservative jackass who had a very very very strong sense of him being constantly right, and thought that death and destruction were something to be loved and laughed at. Needless to say he was banned from that forum within 2 weeks.

Yeah, the shit in my life seems to be very attracted to the fan, so I'm probably a classic example.

Yeah, i know the feeling... 3 or 4 weeks ago so much shit hit the fan that ive been having anxiety problems, severly so, shaking for no reason, cold chills all the time, cutting*stopped now btw* and i havent done any hw since... sorta smacked my grades into the ground. now i probably wouldnt care if something horrible happened, or i would snap like a twig and attack someone/attack me.

Ah, okay, I see now.

I'd be getting a full dose of life if I wasn't in home school. I'd have friends, we'd do things, go to the movies on Friday and Saturday night, and have parties. Sadly, I've not done one of those things even once in my life, and it's thanks to home school.

Home school is bad, people. Very, very bad.
I'm sorry--I almost got pulled into that. Scary stuff. Have you tried getting into out-of-school activities and communities? I'm trying to work my way into the theater community, because I love acting, and my school social life is absolute gutter crap.

I was just talking to a friend of mine over IM about how life just kinda sucks in general. Unfortunately, she's a complete optimist, and she thinks that anyone who thinks this way can never be happy. Now, I disagree with this.

I believe that a person with this outlook, that life and the world just sucks, and nothing will matter in the end, can be just as happy or even happier than optimists--provided that they grasp and accept a this idea: Nothing matters.

Nothing matters in the end, so why worry about anything in life? Living this way, not caring about trivial things every day, in other words, just living life to its fullest, would make me much happier than just living in an illusion every day, that there is a meaning to it all. I say fuck it all and just have fun with this little piece of playground that you've gotten--life.

My friend vehemently disagrees with this, and told me a string of things like "you'll never be happy," "you'll be an old spinster and no one will love you," and "you won't have any friends." But it seems to me that a person with such an open and honest outlook on life, just enjoying it, would attract people to them. Now, I'm not saying I've accepted all this for myself, so I still have a while to go before I can really become happy, but knowing these things is a good first step to being able to accept them.

What is your opinion an all this? Life? Happiness? What do you need to attain it? etc.



There is, I think, a distinction between "nothing matters" and "life sucks" and a futher distinction between "nothing matters" and "there is no supernatural significance."

I think that "there is no supernatural significance" allows for a great deal more happiness than either of the preceding, though "life sucks" is a self-defeating attitude.

Things do matter: enjoying life matters.

HAH. No such thing in this town. I'd love to go meet people, as there's a club that holds "High School Night" every Thursday. Sadly, my Dad would never let me go alone. Same for the Movies.

He gives new meaning to the term "Over-Protective". I'm bigger than he is, yet he treats me like a 6-year-old. Both mentally and physically, which is fucking weird.

HAH. No such thing in this town. I'd love to go meet people, as there's a club that holds "High School Night" every Thursday. Sadly, my Dad would never let me go alone. Same for the Movies.

He gives new meaning to the term "Over-Protective". I'm bigger than he is, yet he treats me like a 6-year-old. Both mentally and physically, which is fucking weird.
Hey, I know where you're coming from. I can't go out at all, practically. Only in mid-day and only when they know down to the minute where we'll be a place and when. Most things just aren't worth the trouble, which explains my lack of skin color. =/

recently i have experienced a total crash so right now(for the past like 4 moths), i REALLY do not care about anything.If i dont want to do something, i just dont, the consequences are never that bad in my point of view. Oh, and I'm happy as a clam :D

There is, I think, a distinction between "nothing matters" and "life sucks" and a futher distinction between "nothing matters" and "there is no supernatural significance."

I think that "there is no supernatural significance" allows for a great deal more happiness than either of the preceding, though "life sucks" is a self-defeating attitude.

Things do matter: enjoying life matters.
Well... nothing does matter. But the result of thinking that leaves you with just enjoying it and not giving a shit either way.

recently i have experienced a total crash so right now(for the past like 4 moths), i REALLY do not care about anything.If i dont want to do something, i just dont, the consequences are never that bad in my point of view. Oh, and I'm happy as a clam :D
W00t! :D

The thing is, my friends are all so freakin uptight that they just think I've got huge psychological issues and they go on saying "Life is worth living, Nina, you have to be happy!"(with an "oh noes don't kill yourself!" look) I'm just like "I... am... were you even listening?"(with a "I'm not suicidal, you freak," look). But I'm laughing inside at the way they think. :D

Hey, I know where you're coming from. I can't go out at all, practically. Only in mid-day and only when they know down to the minute where we'll be a place and when. Most things just aren't worth the trouble, which explains my lack of skin color. =/


Hey, same here! My control-freak of a dad doesn't even want me to ride my bike around the fucking block, and I'm almost 17! I'm also bigger than he is, and I know how to defend myself.

However, that doesn't mean that I'll obey his sorry ass. Riding my bike is the only ounce of freedom I get, so I ride all over the place whenever I can. I say "whenever I can" because there's a good chance he'll be standing in the driveway, waiting, and wondering why I haven't been on our street.

He's really too much to handle. I'm thinking of moving in with my sister soon; she even suggested it!

Turn your eyes upon Jesus. Look full in his wonderful face. And the things of the world would grow strangely Dim. In the light of his Glory and Grace. :D

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Actually I had questions like that before. What if there's no future for all of us?

People call Religion a crutch. Hey, at least we're believing that God has a purpose, a plan, a better future... in something that in turn perhaps become a 'self fulfilling prophecy' because of our optimism even if he doesn't exist?

Anyway, aside from Religion.. (lets not go too far there [for sidetracking reasons], honestly, Just expressing my opinions, but feel free to bang away)

Hope is a wonderful thing.

Turn your eyes upon Jesus. Look full in his wonderful face. And the things of the world would grow strangely Dim. In the light of his Glory and Grace. :D

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Actually I had questions like that before. What if there's no future for all of us?

People call Religion a crutch. Hey, at least we're believing that God has a purpose, a plan, a better future... in something that in turn perhaps become a 'self fulfilling prophecy' because of our optimism even if he doesn't exist?

Anyway, aside from Religion.. (lets not go too far there [for sidetracking reasons], honestly, Just expressing my opinions, but feel free to bang away)

Hope is a wonderful thing.


Yeah, "hope" is a wonderful thing, but I have real hope. Not hope in some imaginary friend.

Yeah, "hope" is a wonderful thing, but I have real hope. Not hope in some imaginary friend.

i think the smigden of hope i have left is only cause i have a gf and friends.

Turn your eyes upon Jesus. Look full in his wonderful face. And the things of the world would grow strangely Dim. In the light of his Glory and Grace. :D

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Actually I had questions like that before. What if there's no future for all of us?

People call Religion a crutch. Hey, at least we're believing that God has a purpose, a plan, a better future... in something that in turn perhaps become a 'self fulfilling prophecy' because of our optimism even if he doesn't exist?

Anyway, aside from Religion.. (lets not go too far there [for sidetracking reasons], honestly, Just expressing my opinions, but feel free to bang away)

Hope is a wonderful thing.
Hope's great. I'd rather not get it from an illusion, thanks.

i think the smigden of hope i have left is only cause i have a gf and friends.


You see, you've got those things. My dad threw my friends away.

Just a few months ago, I called my best friend, he was really busy, said he'd call back, and forgot to. Of course, a lot of people would forget to call, being as busy as he was (Christmas preparations). My dad started a whole fucking CONSPIRACY THEORY because of it. Then, he forced me to call him and "end it".

But, don't worry. As soon as I had a chance, I called him back and told him what really happened, and he understood.

God, my dad's a fucking psychopath.

You see, you've got those things. My dad threw my friends away.

Just a few months ago, I called my best friend, he was really busy, said he'd call back, and forgot to. Of course, a lot of people would forget to call, being as busy as he was (Christmas preparations). My dad started a whole fucking CONSPIRACY THEORY because of it. Then, he forced me to call him and "end it".

But, don't worry. As soon as I had a chance, I called him back and told him what really happened, and he understood.

God, my dad's a fucking psychopath.

well then speak up. Don't sit idly by as he throws your life down the drain. even i, as depressed as i am, speak up for myself when im so grossly unjusticed(i.e. such things as your above situation)

You see, that's the beauty of the whole thing. I'm using him until I get fully prepared to make the move to my sister's house. I can't move there with nothing, you know.

If you're decently...
a)fed
b)clothed
c)sheltered
d)healthy
e)surrounded by people who truly care for you
and
f)have something to occupy your mind when you're idle and/or bored
then you're doing a-ok in my book. Anything more is just a bonus(not that I'm saying you shouldn't enjoy it if you do have more than what I listed above). Of course, it seems to me that most of these bonus things have more to do with reputation(showing off/fitting in/etc)than they do with your personal well-being.

BTW, I'm a taoist. Can you tell? :p

I was just talking to a friend of mine over IM about how life just kinda sucks in general. Unfortunately, she's a complete optimist, and she thinks that anyone who thinks this way can never be happy. Now, I disagree with this.

I believe that a person with this outlook, that life and the world just sucks, and nothing will matter in the end, can be just as happy or even happier than optimists--provided that they grasp and accept a this idea: Nothing matters.

Nothing matters in the end, so why worry about anything in life? Living this way, not caring about trivial things every day, in other words, just living life to its fullest, would make me much happier than just living in an illusion every day, that there is a meaning to it all. I say fuck it all and just have fun with this little piece of playground that you've gotten--life.

My friend vehemently disagrees with this, and told me a string of things like "you'll never be happy," "you'll be an old spinster and no one will love you," and "you won't have any friends." But it seems to me that a person with such an open and honest outlook on life, just enjoying it, would attract people to them. Now, I'm not saying I've accepted all this for myself, so I still have a while to go before I can really become happy, but knowing these things is a good first step to being able to accept them.

What is your opinion an all this? Life? Happiness? What do you need to attain it? etc.
People need different things to be happy. I considrer myself to be a realist, although most who know me say I'm an optimist, and it takes very little to make me happy. The look of love and innocence in the eyes of my grandchildren is one. The affection of my little cat is another. Even a drink of cool water when I'm thirsty, a beautiful Carolina day, or a good cup of coffee will lift my spirits. If that makes me an optimist, so be it. :)

alcohol is my life :D

Life rocks and I enjoy every moment of it. OK....not EVERY moment. But I do enjoy it quite a bit overall. I am not an optimist or a pessimist, I am a realist. It just so happens that I am capable of getting almost anything I set my heart to. The confidence in my own abilities is an important part of what brings me happiness. When I want something, I can get it. Not because I have some priviledges but because I know how to get where I want to be and if I want it Ill do it. Also, my beleif in God and keeping religion close to my heart has a great deal to do with my happiness. If I cant get something with my own abilities I have even greater resources I can tap into (God).

If you rely on people for your source of happiness you are guaranteed to be disappointed.

If you psych yourself out with God or religion those two can be crutches that work for some people. I am not knocking it, but its not for me.

But I like to rely on myself and my mind of reason to keep me happy. It doesn't require religion, drugs, alcohol, other people, just me and my sober mind. I sympathize with the Taoist who thinks much along these lines, but I don't consider myself a Taoist either. When your mind is free, you will be free.

I was just talking to a friend of mine over IM about how life just kinda sucks in general. Unfortunately, she's a complete optimist, and she thinks that anyone who thinks this way can never be happy. Now, I disagree with this.

I believe that a person with this outlook, that life and the world just sucks, and nothing will matter in the end, can be just as happy or even happier than optimists--provided that they grasp and accept a this idea: Nothing matters.

Nothing matters in the end, so why worry about anything in life? Living this way, not caring about trivial things every day, in other words, just living life to its fullest, would make me much happier than just living in an illusion every day, that there is a meaning to it all. I say fuck it all and just have fun with this little piece of playground that you've gotten--life.

My friend vehemently disagrees with this, and told me a string of things like "you'll never be happy," "you'll be an old spinster and no one will love you," and "you won't have any friends." But it seems to me that a person with such an open and honest outlook on life, just enjoying it, would attract people to them. Now, I'm not saying I've accepted all this for myself, so I still have a while to go before I can really become happy, but knowing these things is a good first step to being able to accept them.

What is your opinion an all this? Life? Happiness? What do you need to attain it? etc.
thats the way i've felt for almost 2 years, and believe me, its a sure way to loose friends, not gain em :(
when nothing matters, literally, nothing matters. i can't really be arsed to do anything, which leads to a pretty boring lifestyle :(

thats the way i've felt for almost 2 years, and believe me, its a sure way to loose friends, not gain em :(
when nothing matters, literally, nothing matters. i can't really be arsed to do anything, which leads to a pretty boring lifestyle :(
Well, I just do what I want. And if what you want is not to do anything... then you're set up for some problems. But I want to do stuff. I'm on an ultimate team, and this summer I'm looking forward to being in two productions I'm guaranteed parts in, and I'm volunteering for a non-profit theater company that puts on great plays. I'll have the chance to snag minor roles that way, and work my way up. I'm so excited. :D

Well, I just do what I want. And if what you want is not to do anything... then you're set up for some problems. But I want to do stuff. I'm on an ultimate team, and this summer I'm looking forward to being in two productions I'm guaranteed parts in, and I'm volunteering for a non-profit theater company that puts on great plays. I'll have the chance to snag minor roles that way, and work my way up. I'm so excited. :D
no its not that. i want to do stuff but cos i really feel nothing matters (some days more than others of course), i can't be bothered to do anything. the combination of wanting to, but not is constantly disappointing but i can't stop this damn nihilistic point of view :(

no its not that. i want to do stuff but cos i really feel nothing matters (some days more than others of course), i can't be bothered to do anything. the combination of wanting to, but not is constantly disappointing but i can't stop this damn nihilistic point of view :(
Wow. Sounds like you're in dire need of a dream.

Wow. Sounds like you're in dire need of a dream.
tell me about it

This thread needs a bump. I don't know why. But It justs feel good to bump this thread.

First of all I don't believe in fate, I believe in a continous cycle of cause and effect. I am a pessimist and try to be realistic rather than be a dreamer all the time. I don't believe in luck so much as I do probability. I think that people give their lives meaning, we're not given one by a being.

This thread needs a bump. I don't know why. But It justs feel good to bump this thread.
Yay, I'm bumpworthy!

And I'm giving this a bump myself, since, well... I'm just interested in what people believe about life, and someone else has already determined this good for bumping... so. Yay bump.

Yay, I'm bumpworthy!

And I'm giving this a bump myself, since, well... I'm just interested in what people believe about life, and someone else has already determined this good for bumping... so. Yay bump.
You are a chosen one.

I feel so special. :p

And for PM, if he decides to come back here...

Isn't there anything you would like to do in your life, that would help you get the most out of it? Just go out and do it! Just GO! There's nothing to think about. I'm trying to get into acting and entertainment, because I love it. Just find something you love to do.

right now, im not particularly happy - but i know why, and i know what to do to sort that out, its just a matter of doing it

I have a complex outlook on life. It can however be summed up as being:

Plan for the worst, but expect the best.

This has its strong advantages in that when the shit hits the fan you have planned how to either avoid being hit or how to get clean, whilst allowing you to be at the quay side when your boat comes in rather than waiting at the station.

I do not believe in fate, as that leads to an "it doesn't matter what I do" attitude, when what you do clearly does matter for your life. I do believe in luck, but I believe that we make a lot of our own luck by doing things rather than allowing things to happen. RAH said "Sure the game is crooked, but don't let that stop you. If you don't play you can't win." This is true.
If you don't like the odds then don't play, but don't complain afterwards that someone else is lucky, they took the chance, you didn't.

Life for me is to be experienced, this involves taking risks, but do this intelligently. Don't go messing with crack cocaine in a belief that you will not be addicted, if all the evidence shows that you will. But at the same time don't turn down opportunities simply because they involve leaving a "comfort zone".

right now, im not particularly happy - but i know why, and i know what to do to sort that out, its just a matter of doing it

So why are you posting here instead of doing it? (or is it some long term action that does not prclude posting here?)

Well, I just do what I want. And if what you want is not to do anything... then you're set up for some problems. But I want to do stuff. I'm on an ultimate team, and this summer I'm looking forward to being in two productions I'm guaranteed parts in, and I'm volunteering for a non-profit theater company that puts on great plays. I'll have the chance to snag minor roles that way, and work my way up. I'm so excited. :D


Well then, you can't characterize your attitude as "nothing matters," obviously drama matters to you.

So why are you posting here instead of doing it? (or is it some long term action that does not prclude posting here?)
its a long term action that does not preclude posting here...its really not as easy as just going and doing it, me doing it could have a serious impact on my relations with my family and friends...so im biding my time, building up the courage, and waiting for a good opportunity

its a long term action that does not preclude posting here...its really not as easy as just going and doing it, me doing it could have a serious impact on my relations with my family and friends...so im biding my time, building up the courage, and waiting for a good opportunity

Good luck then, when the time comes.

If nothing mattered in the end, then life would be fun and games but I believe in the consequences of life in the afterlife so life isn't always happy.

Good luck then, when the time comes.
thanks :)

thanks :)

I have no idea what your decision is about, and it is your business not mine. What I can say is that some nine years ago I had to decide between staying nice and secure in the country of my birth, where I knew the rules, and had achieved some status, and giving up the person I loved. Or I could sacrifice my existing comfort, my life in the first world, and take a leap into the unknown of the third world and stay with the person I loved. If you look at my location (which is true in my case) you will see I took the "risky" choice. I have never regretted it. Yes it means I do not see my parents, that I have to redo my masters degree etc. But I am happy.
I do not believe that you can be truly happy if you choose security over emotion. If you do this you will always have a "what if" in the back of your mind. If it does not work out, whatever it is, then you can go back, and rebuild your old life, older and wiser, but at least with the knowledge that you tried.

I have no idea what your decision is about, and it is your business not mine. What I can say is that some nine years ago I had to decide between staying nice and secure in the country of my birth, where I knew the rules, and had achieved some status, and giving up the person I loved. Or I could sacrifice my existing comfort, my life in the first world, and take a leap into the unknown of the third world and stay with the person I loved. If you look at my location (which is true in my case) you will see I took the "risky" choice. I have never regretted it. Yes it means I do not see my parents, that I have to redo my masters degree etc. But I am happy.
I do not believe that you can be truly happy if you choose security over emotion. If you do this you will always have a "what if" in the back of your mind. If it does not work out, whatever it is, then you can go back, and rebuild your old life, older and wiser, but at least with the knowledge that you tried.
well, this is a decision that once i take i wont be able to turn back, i wont be able to reverse my actions...and its not even really a decision...im going to do it, i [i]have[i] to do it - i have no choice...but i know that my family and friends could just as easily reject me as accept me, and its a risk i have to take, but its not a risk i would take if i had the choice

the main problem is getting the confidence to do it, finding the opportunity to do it...

if youre wondering (which i imagine you are), im transsexual, and the step im going to take is leaving my male life, which i hate, behind and embarking on a new, female life...it involves hormones and surgery, and you can understand why i might not be expecting my family to react as i would hope

well, this is a decision that once i take i wont be able to turn back, i wont be able to reverse my actions...and its not even really a decision...im going to do it, i [i]have[i] to do it - i have no choice...but i know that my family and friends could just as easily reject me as accept me, and its a risk i have to take, but its not a risk i would take if i had the choice

the main problem is getting the confidence to do it, finding the opportunity to do it...

Unless it is something like revealing that you are a mass murdering canibal and you are inviting them all for a big slap up barbecue, then if a friend rejects you for whatever, they were not much of a friend to start with.
Family, is a bigger risk, but time can ease almost any shock. However take your time and do what you feel to be right. Trust your gut feelings.

Unless it is something like revealing that you are a mass murdering canibal and you are inviting them all for a big slap up barbecue, then if a friend rejects you for whatever, they were not much of a friend to start with.
Family, is a bigger risk, but time can ease almost any shock. However take your time and do what you feel to be right. Trust your gut feelings.
almost funny story...i know someone who claims to be a cannibal, but who has never eaten human flesh, and says he never will

odd

Did you know that depressed people actually tend to have more realistic life expectations? It seems happiness requires a certain amount of self-delusion, which I don't seem to be able to muster.

Did you know that depressed people actually tend to have more realistic life expectations? It seems happiness requires a certain amount of self-delusion, which I don't seem to be able to muster.


Hah, I can't come up with any delusions, either. I know just how shitty my life is at this point, and, well... Ehh.

I'm an idealist. I always look on the bright side and try to see the best in people. I spend much more time being happy than not. I would never presume to say though that someone with a more pessimistic outlook couldn't be happy. Happiness means different things to different people. I believe in karma, fate, and destiny, and i believe that everything happens for a reason, though we don't always know what those reasons are. That doesn't mean though that our decisions don't mean anything. They made us who we are today, and will continue to shape our lives until the day we die. I do believe the decisions we make have been decided by fate, but we still make them, without knowing what fate has set aside for us. Life is an adventure, the not knowing is what makes it interesting. The fact that we are mortal is what makes it precious.

Well then, you can't characterize your attitude as "nothing matters," obviously drama matters to you.
Well, when you don't let anything matter to you, you leave yourself room to do whatever you want without caring about what people think or what will go wrong or anything like that.

If nothing mattered in the end, then life would be fun and games but I believe in the consequences of life in the afterlife so life isn't always happy.
Well, for anyone who's not religious (that would include me) that would mean complete bliss, if you can just accept that idea. Of course, you're tied to your faith, so I've just got the temptation to say "sucks for you!"

Hmmm...

Let me ponder.....


:headbang:

Still pondering......


Does the word suck?

At times I think "yes" this really sucks..

But then I ask myself

Why?

Why does it suck ?

Then I try to answer that by asking myself two things..

First - Can I get anything positive out of this..

Second I try to look at it - Can this be worse?

Often after answering these two questions, Things seem okay..

For example...

McMinnville Oregon..

I really disliked it A LOT !! emphesis - A LOT..

But then I started to look at some of the positives - NOW it might not be the best, but it certainly could be worse for me..

And that makes it more managable..

I call this the dieletical theory.. Everything has a purpose and everything IS HAS it is suppose to be...

Troy*

I was just talking to a friend of mine over IM about how life just kinda sucks in general. Unfortunately, she's a complete optimist, and she thinks that anyone who thinks this way can never be happy. Now, I disagree with this.

I believe that a person with this outlook, that life and the world just sucks, and nothing will matter in the end, can be just as happy or even happier than optimists--provided that they grasp and accept a this idea: Nothing matters.

Nothing matters in the end, so why worry about anything in life? Living this way, not caring about trivial things every day, in other words, just living life to its fullest, would make me much happier than just living in an illusion every day, that there is a meaning to it all. I say fuck it all and just have fun with this little piece of playground that you've gotten--life.

My friend vehemently disagrees with this, and told me a string of things like "you'll never be happy," "you'll be an old spinster and no one will love you," and "you won't have any friends." But it seems to me that a person with such an open and honest outlook on life, just enjoying it, would attract people to them. Now, I'm not saying I've accepted all this for myself, so I still have a while to go before I can really become happy, but knowing these things is a good first step to being able to accept them.

What is your opinion an all this? Life? Happiness? What do you need to attain it? etc.
I think you are right. Happiness is knowing yourself, and if setting these limitations and narrowing your world helps in that regard, you can achieve happiness in that way.

I was just talking to a friend of mine over IM about how life just kinda sucks in general. Unfortunately, she's a complete optimist, and she thinks that anyone who thinks this way can never be happy. Now, I disagree with this.

I believe that a person with this outlook, that life and the world just sucks, and nothing will matter in the end, can be just as happy or even happier than optimists--provided that they grasp and accept a this idea: Nothing matters.

Nothing matters in the end, so why worry about anything in life? Living this way, not caring about trivial things every day, in other words, just living life to its fullest, would make me much happier than just living in an illusion every day, that there is a meaning to it all. I say fuck it all and just have fun with this little piece of playground that you've gotten--life.

My friend vehemently disagrees with this, and told me a string of things like "you'll never be happy," "you'll be an old spinster and no one will love you," and "you won't have any friends." But it seems to me that a person with such an open and honest outlook on life, just enjoying it, would attract people to them. Now, I'm not saying I've accepted all this for myself, so I still have a while to go before I can really become happy, but knowing these things is a good first step to being able to accept them.

What is your opinion an all this? Life? Happiness? What do you need to attain it? etc.


That is the exact same way I outlook life. The whole "Why should I care" factor. Its worked perfectly for me and I'm always happy.

and as for being
1. "you'll never be happy
2. "you'll be an old spinster and no one will love you,"
3."you won't have any friends."

answers
1. She doesn't know that
2. Even if not, oh well who cares.
3. see number 2.

Did you know that depressed people actually tend to have more realistic life expectations? It seems happiness requires a certain amount of self-delusion, which I don't seem to be able to muster.
Unless... you're actually deluding yourself that you're not able to muster it.