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acording to some we europians are inferior in every considerable way compared to our dearly beloved american bretheren :eek:
i know that somewhare out there will be some europians who love america and vice versa, but it seems that whenever i talk to emericans on this forum all i get is anti europian complaints,now this could be due to the fact that i was saying a few things which may have been insulting to americans and i am sorry but the thread probably was titled "whats rong with the u.s" or some such name, now heres me thinking that i should actually say what i think is rong with america, of course the whole thing eventually ends up with me in an argument with 8 americans (1 on 8 just is not cricket)
and the end concludes with me being proved rong on so many levels.
now maybe we of the british,french,german,norwegian...etc,
should just give up and just go about our boring europian lives in our boring uncultured little cits wich never have anything in them. perhaps we should just hang the stars and stripes, perhaps just become america 2.

anyway i will leave it for you to decide but i for one am fed up of american selfishness and big headedness however i also have been taught to never underestimate the american nation, especially for their great sacrifices in the pacific theater dure in ww2 .....anywho i shall now retire to my cave to fashion things from wood

I couldn't agree more. I am half German and half American, and it just annoys me how selfish America is. Europe has better views of a future world than America.

I couldn't agree more. I am half German and half American, and it just annoys me how selfish America is. Europe has better views of a future world than America.

i am glad to see someone on my side for once, although i have nothing against americans themselves...i suppose they cvant help it..its the education system and public enviroment....do you live in america or germany?

Flashheart']i am glad to see someone on my side for once, although i have nothing against americans themselves...i suppose they cvant help it..its the education system and public enviroment....do you live in america or germany?
It is the government and law system that causes the problem. My dad was sued a while ago, and they spoke the verdict last Friday. It turned out we had to give the prosecutors 600million dollars for something we didn't do. It screwed up.

I live in America.

It is the government and law system that causes the problem. My dad was sued a while ago, and they spoke the verdict last Friday. It turned out we had to give the prosecutors 600million dollars for something we didn't do. It screwed up.

I live in America.

why is that in america people can get sued for such little things (i am not saying that whatever happend their is little....600meg..*whistle*)
i heard about this women who sued a shop because she tripped over a baby and sprained her ankle...thing is the child was hers

Flashheart']
i heard about this women who sued a shop because she tripped over a baby and sprained her ankle...thing is the child was hers
Proves my point exactly.

Proves my point exactly.

i may be going into law and i was thiking i could go over to the u.s and try and make people see sence...dont think its quite possible though :D

I'm an American, and I have to agree that alot of Americans are selfish, but its stupid to assume that everyone in America is that way. Americans can get a littile full of themselves at times, and I know it can be annoying at times, but I know deep down (through all the fatness caused by McDonalds heh) American's are good people, and will do the right thing :) much like [NS]Flashheart said with WWII, in times of need we do what we have to, agree with it or not.

I dont think American's are any better than Europeans, we could learn alot from them, and vice-versa. If we want this world to work, we will have to get along...

Okay i'm going to shut up, i'm starting to sound like a hippy :P

Most of them are ignorant dummies.

After my dad set the record for the amount of money ever awarded to a prosecutor that sued teh doctor, the news started lieing everywhere in the story. later in school, I wasn't that great anyways. The Americans are mostly ignorant.

I couldn't agree more. I am half German and half American, and it just annoys me how selfish America is. Europe has better views of a future world than America.


It's not that we are selfish, or self-centered, or feel we are superior, its just that we really don't care about europe. We just don't give a damn. We don't care about foreign policy because WE ARE ALL FOREIGNERS. If we gave a damn, we would have stayed in England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, Etc, and done something about it. But we ran away, to be left alone, but you baffoons keep screwing things up (that's why we ran away) and we either got to jump in and bail you out, or do something to keep you from letting the world go to hell. That's the bottom dollar. On average, I would say the normal american NEVER thinks of Europe, not even as a vacation destination. We'd rather go to Disneyland, or Yellowstone, or Dodge City or Vagas.

It's not that we are selfish, or self-centered, or feel we are superior, its just that we really don't care about europe. We just don't give a damn. We don't care about foreign policy because WE ARE ALL FOREIGNERS. If we gave a damn, we would have stayed in England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, Etc, and done something about it. But we ran away, to be left alone, but you baffoons keep screwing things up (that's why we ran away) and we either got to jump in and bail you out, or do something to keep you from letting the world go to hell. That's the bottom dollar. On average, I would say the normal american NEVER thinks of Europe, not even as a vacation destination. We'd rather go to Disneyland, or Yellowstone, or Dodge City or Vagas.
Thanks for proving my point again.

:D I'm an American, and I have to agree that alot of Americans are selfish, but its stupid to assume that everyone in America is that way. Americans can get a littile full of themselves at times, and I know it can be annoying at times, but I know deep down (through all the fatness caused by McDonalds heh) American's are good people, and will do the right thing :) much like [NS]Flashheart said with WWII, in times of need we do what we have to, agree with it or not.

I dont think American's are any better than Europeans, we could learn alot from them, and vice-versa. If we want this world to work, we will have to get along...

Okay i'm going to shut up, i'm starting to sound like a hippy :P


i agree if only the two could work together we could acomplish so much :D
.....look youve got me oing it...christ my hair is growing at an allarming rate

I cannot believe that supposedly enlightened Europeans make the same mistake that so many American rednecks who have never traveled the world do - that is, to make sweeping generalizations about the people of an entire nation or race. We Americans are diverse. We have some advantages over Europe, and Europe has some advantages over us. Considering the long mutually beneficial alliance between western Europe and the USA, one might expect that the European people would see Americans in a favorable light (and vice-versa), but I see little of that. What I DO see is a lot of stupid generalizations made by people who have little knowledge of the reality that is America. I guess most of these are made by people who are brainwashed by their biased media - which exists everywhere, not just in America.

This looks like an intelligent debate...

It's not that we are selfish, or self-centered, or feel we are superior, its just that we really don't care about europe. We just don't give a damn. We don't care about foreign policy because WE ARE ALL FOREIGNERS. If we gave a damn, we would have stayed in England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, Etc, and done something about it. But we ran away, to be left alone, but you baffoons keep screwing things up (that's why we ran away) and we either got to jump in and bail you out, or do something to keep you from letting the world go to hell. That's the bottom dollar. On average, I would say the normal american NEVER thinks of Europe, not even as a vacation destination. We'd rather go to Disneyland, or Yellowstone, or Dodge City or Vagas.


you would rather go to a
1 a media generated place for children
2 an active volcano
3 a place only famouse because some guy in a hat tamed it
4 vagas...????

and thankue for proving my point..i would like to say that only once has amereica come and had to help and that a good number of europians would sooner travel within europe than to america

Being a Brit, and therefore party to the gross America-bumlicking that goes on here, I'd have to say that I find more of my European counterparts more arrogant and self-centred than Americans are. While Americans generally may well be crass and so far up their own arses then can lick the back of their own teeth, they have a right to on account of Europe making them the strongest force in the world through their own futile actions... namely WW1 & 2.

If you want to blame someone on America stamping it's size 10s all over the world, blame Europe. If it hadn't had to drag an already emerging superpower into it's conflict to save itself from Nazi domination we'd never be in the situation we're in now.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to drive my Ford to Asda (owned by WalMart) to buy some Coke and Guns.

Look i am now american i was Austrian. I love this country but all you other Europians are just stateing straw man arguments you have no proof of what you say, number one i am not a dummie i speak 3 langeges (english being my third so please ignore my terrible spelling i am still working on it) I am currently a physics major and i am considered a Music prodigy. Many of my american friends are Drs of sciance or Math they are not stupid people. please think before you speak next time you will save us all a little grief

I cannot believe that supposedly enlightened Europeans make the same mistake that so many American rednecks who have never traveled the world do - that is, to make sweeping generalizations about the people of an entire nation or race. We Americans are diverse. We have some advantages over Europe, and Europe has some advantages over us. Considering the long mutually beneficial alliance between western Europe and the USA, one might expect that the European people would see Americans in a favorable light (and vice-versa), but I see little of that. What I DO see is a lot of stupid generalizations made by people who have little knowledge of the reality that is America. I guess most of these are made by people who are brainwashed by their biased media - which exists everywhere, not just in America.


Why must Americans feel they must be apologists for America. We are not dumb, we are not brainwashed, we are not ignorant of history or culture. I repeat, we just don't give a damn, and there is nothing wrong with that. We will continue to bail you out when you screw up, and we will continue to expect no thanks or appreciation. We'd really prefer you didn't think about us much, and we will continue to not think about you (P.S. I am well travelled, and not a redneck. What I've seen of Europe, I have enjoyed, I just keep my mouth shut and my opinions to myself. I wish you Europeans travellin g here could do the same.)

Being a Brit, and therefore party to the gross America-bumlicking that goes on here, I'd have to say that I find more of my European counterparts more arrogant and self-centred than Americans are. While Americans generally may well be crass and so far up their own arses then can lick the back of their own teeth, they have a right to on account of Europe making them the strongest force in the world through their own futile actions... namely WW1 & 2.

If you want to blame someone on America stamping it's size 10s all over the world, blame Europe. If it hadn't had to drag an already emerging superpower into it's conflict to save itself from Nazi domination we'd never be in the situation we're in now.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to drive my Ford to Asda (owned by WalMart) to buy some Coke and Guns.

Being a Brit, and therefore party to the gross America-bumlicking that goes on here, I'd have to say that I find more of my European counterparts more arrogant and self-centred than Americans are. While Americans generally may well be crass and so far up their own arses then can lick the back of their own teeth, they have a right to on account of Europe making them the strongest force in the world through their own futile actions... namely WW1 & 2.

If you want to blame someone on America stamping it's size 10s all over the world, blame Europe. If it hadn't had to drag an already emerging superpower into it's conflict to save itself from Nazi domination we'd never be in the situation we're in now.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to drive my Ford to Asda (owned by WalMart) to buy some Coke and Guns.
Going to war isn't being arrogant?

Being a Brit, and therefore party to the gross America-bumlicking that goes on here, I'd have to say that I find more of my European counterparts more arrogant and self-centred than Americans are. While Americans generally may well be crass and so far up their own arses then can lick the back of their own teeth, they have a right to on account of Europe making them the strongest force in the world through their own futile actions... namely WW1 & 2.

If you want to blame someone on America stamping it's size 10s all over the world, blame Europe. If it hadn't had to drag an already emerging superpower into it's conflict to save itself from Nazi domination we'd never be in the situation we're in now.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to drive my Ford to Asda (owned by WalMart) to buy some Coke and Guns.


ww1 had nothing to do with the u.s ww2 YES they did a hell of a lot ww1 no not really. yes i suppose that they contributed man power but thats it, in ww1 they may have well been portugese, it would make no difference.
in ww2 however (a joint effort) they were more "american" and therefore deserve more comendation

Going to war isn't being arrogant?


On who's part? Americas (7 declared, and counting) or Europes (what 12,543 and counting)?

Why must Americans feel they must be apologists for America. We are not dumb, we are not brainwashed, we are not ignorant of history or culture. I repeat, we just don't give a damn, and there is nothing wrong with that. We will continue to bail you out when you screw up, and we will continue to expect no thanks or appreciation. We'd really prefer you didn't think about us much, and we will continue to not think about you (P.S. I am well travelled, and not a redneck. What I've seen of Europe, I have enjoyed, I just keep my mouth shut and my opinions to myself. I wish you Europeans travellin g here could do the same.)

I am an American, not a European. Your post does not make it clear if you understand that.

I agree that America will continue to provide aid to Europe in times of crisis, as we recently did when the Serbs and Albanians were merrily going about slaughtering one another. Don't forget something, though, as it is quite important: we do so for more than one reason. Sure, there may be a humanitarian or noble aspect to it, but it is also in our self-interest. Now I for one do not think that a nation acting in self-interest is a bad thing; indeed, a nation would not long survive if it did not do so. I just think we need to acknowledge that self-interest often parallels the noble part of our actions.

Look i am now american i was Austrian. I love this country but all you other Europians are just stateing straw man arguments you have no proof of what you say, number one i am not a dummie i speak 3 langeges (english being my third so please ignore my terrible spelling i am still working on it) I am currently a physics major and i am considered a Music prodigy. Many of my american friends are Drs of sciance or Math they are not stupid people. please think before you speak next time you will save us all a little grief


Welcome, we are happy to have you here, and would welcome you with open arms even if you were a bricklayer or a ditchdigger. Also, your English it just fine, better than my grandmother's ever was.

ww1 had nothing to do with the u.s ww2 YES they did a hell of a lot ww1 no not really. yes i suppose that they contributed man power but thats it, in ww1 they may have well been portugese, it would make no difference.


Tell that to the German general who uttered the phrase that gave the United States Marines the name "Devil Dogs" at Belleau Wood.

people cam down

Tell that to the German general who uttered the phrase that gave the United States Marines the name "Devil Dogs" at Belleau Wood.

the u.s marines are not the only regiment to receive battle honours

Reading the first post, I would never have guessed this thread would degenerate to what it now has become. Quite a surprise.

I guess it would be hard to admit that approximately 38.3% of the populace in ANY country are more or less ignorant. What is astonishing is that the percentage in this board seems to be significantly higher.

Of course it seems people on both sides are trying to meddle with each others business if you judge by reading the posts here. Like someone said, Americans in general don't give a damn about European politics. Here's some more news: it's the exact same thing here; average Europeans don't much think about USa or it's politics.

It's surprising that people posting in a site called the Nation States are more interested (unfortunately, often not more knowledgeable) and vocal about things they consider being wrong in other countries/entities. It is also astonishing that they tend to blow every little thing out of any reasonable proportion. That's internet boards for you. Enjoy.

/end rant.

Look i am now american i was Austrian. ...number one i am not a dummie i speak 3 langeges ....err..Mr Governor...Ahnold...is that you?

What is it with battle honors anyways? You get an award for being brave? My ass. I'm brave everyday and don't get anything. Besides, promoting greatness in the army is just wrong.

Europe has better views of a future world than America.


and what would those views be then eh? socialism and welfare for all? who's gonna pay for that?

didn't you people learn anything from the 1930's? you had that peace at any price mentality back then and it didn't work, and you still have it now, and I tell you, it still doesn't work.

Some of you might think we're all being very gung ho in going to war, but that isn't true, we'd prefer not to have it, however we realize, that sometimes a small war NOW is better than a big one in the future.

The need for a cooperative, trans-Atlantic alliance has faded. There simply is no reason to play nice with one another anymore...and we never did like each other in the first place.
So, who cares?

Reading the first post, I would never have guessed this thread would degenerate to what it now has become. Quite a surprise.

I guess it would be hard to admit that approximately 38.3% of the populace in ANY country are more or less ignorant. What is astonishing is that the percentage in this board seems to be significantly higher.

Of course it seems people on both sides are trying to meddle with each others business if you judge by reading the posts here. Like someone said, Americans in general don't give a damn about European politics. Here's some more news: it's the exact same thing here; average Europeans don't much think about USa or it's politics.

It's surprising that people posting in a site called the Nation States are more interested (unfortunately, often not more knowledgeable) and vocal about things they consider being wrong in other countries/entities. It is also astonishing that they tend to blow every little thing out of any reasonable proportion. That's internet boards for you. Enjoy.

/end rant.

........yes............quite....

anywho back to the problem.
it seems that the U.Ss populace tend to think they are somewhat superior than our own, however this can also be the case within europe

Hitlerreich...Speak German?

All wars are bad. they can be solved in different ways. This war is not small.

The need for a cooperative, trans-Atlantic alliance has faded. There simply is no reason to play nice with one another anymore...and we never did like each other in the first place.
So, who cares?

thanks your input has been acknowledged and greatly received.....then rejected :D

Hitlerreich...Speak German?

All wars are bad. they can be solved in different ways. This war is not small.

i agree however there is a need for war

Welcome, we are happy to have you here, and would welcome you with open arms even if you were a bricklayer or a ditchdigger. Also, your English it just fine, better than my grandmother's ever was.


THank you very much :)

err..Mr Governor...Ahnold...is that you?


no and i have no interest in running for any politicle job i am not qualified not all austrians are arnold you know thank you

The need for a cooperative, trans-Atlantic alliance has faded. There simply is no reason to play nice with one another anymore...and we never did like each other in the first place.
So, who cares?

based on that logic i may ask then why the bloody hell am i rping on another thread with americans, or why we inport and export tv across the atlantic..hell we may as well just start ww3 right here right now...yeah america vs every other fucker

Meh. People trying to combat jingoism and arrogance with jingoism and arrogance.

Flashheart']based on that logic i may ask then why the bloody hell am i rping on another thread with americans, or why we inport and export tv across the atlantic..hell we may as well just start ww3 right here right now...yeah america vs every other fucker


I disagree, The states need Europe just like Europe needs the States. This world is getting smaller and smaller, Communication is a Juggernaught these days. It is very important that we know that we are CO dependant on one another. I left Europe and now live in the States however both have there flaws and YES both are arrogant Europe thinks it knows everyting because they have such a long history However the united states is a young teenager who grew to fast. many of you are parents think a bout when your child was 16-20 they are good smart people however at that age they think they know everytihing as well

Europe is the parent ofo the the unted states they came from england spain and france we as americans are your children and yes you dont have to love us but know we are still young, we just grew up to fast.. i hope this makes some sense however like any family we need one another. this world is to small to fight

Hitlerreich...Speak German?

All wars are bad. they can be solved in different ways. This war is not small.

how would you have solved the Saddam thingy then? talks? guys like Saddam are professional liars and manipulators, you can pass all the resolutions you want but if they ain't listening, then what are you gonna do?

I disagree, The states need Europe just like Europe needs the States. This world is getting smaller and smaller, Communication is a Juggernaught these days. It is very important that we know that we are CO dependant on one another. I left Europe and now live in the States however both have there flaws and YES both are arrogant Europe thinks it knows everyting because they have such a long history However the united states is a young teenager who grew to fast. many of you are parents think a bout when your child was 16-20 they are good smart people however at that age they think they know everytihing as well

Europe is the parent ofo the the unted states they came from england spain and france we as americans are your children and yes you dont have to love us but know we are still young, we just grew up to fast.. i hope this makes some sense however like any family we need one another. this world is to small to fight


....i was being a bit sarcy on that post. :D i did not mean its contents

Flashheart']....i was being a bit sarcy on that post. :D i did not mean its contents


noted

how would you have solved the Saddam thingy then? talks? guys like Saddam are professional liars and manipulators, you can pass all the resolutions you want but if they ain't listening, then what are you gonna do?

hmm i think the media were really against the government on that one, they say that we are going to war for oil...so? i hate fuel prices

the u.s marines are not the only regiment to receive battle honours

Did I say that? No. I posted my comment to show the utter ignorance of saying that the US did not contribute much in WWI.

personally i see that neither could be at max if the other was not there
for example if the u.s was to isolate itself and allow no export or import from europ it would son fid itself sinking rapidly.
and anyone who thinks that there nation is superior to another persons i guess could be classed as racist?

What is it with battle honors anyways? You get an award for being brave? My ass. I'm brave everyday and don't get anything. Besides, promoting greatness in the army is just wrong.

Your day-to-day bravery does not stand up to comparison with what a person goes through in battle, unless you are doing some sort of VERY dangerous job. It is right to honor the bravest among us who put their very lives on the line for the common good.

The need for a cooperative, trans-Atlantic alliance has faded. There simply is no reason to play nice with one another anymore...and we never did like each other in the first place.
So, who cares?

Yeah. Why the fuck cant our leaders get some fricking balls and tell the Yankees 's Armed Forces and intelligence services to get the fuck out of our countries? You don't like us and we like you even less so why should we continue to be your lackies and host military bases?!

I think Euro-American relations might actually become better if we ceased being "Allies" and would start to treat each others as equals.

Yeah. Why the fuck cant our leaders get some fricking balls and tell the Yankees 's Armed Forces and intelligence services to get the fuck out of our countries? You don't like us and we like you even less so why should we continue to be your lackies and host military bases?!

I think Euro-American relations might actually become better if we ceased being "Allies" and would start to treat each others as equals.

Well.. when the US made public plans to pull out of certain bases in Germany, the locals made a lot of noise about how we would damage their economies if we did so. Europeans make a good Euro or two off of our presence.

Did I say that? No. I posted my comment to show the utter ignorance of saying that the US did not contribute much in WWI.

*sigh*
in ww1 millions of men died regardless of racxe colour or creed yes?
now considering also that the u.s did enter a little late and only contributed a little of what it could have done, not to say that each and every soldier did not fight for his country, but to say that the u.s as a government did not contribute in the same way as did say the russians and the french and tommys.now to say that the u.s as a eople did not contribute would be sacraligouse and be against the principles my grandfather led cavelrg charges pto machine guns for

Flashheart']hmm i think the media were really against the government on that one, they say that we are going to war for oil...so? i hate fuel prices

which media would that be? oh you mean the MSM (main steam media /sarc)

the MSM has been against George W Bush since day one so I'll just ignore what they think. Hey I don't think Bush does everything right, it's just some people think he never does anything right and they never listen to what he has to say.

Well.. when the US made public plans to pull out of certain bases in Germany, the locals made a lot of noise about how we would damage their economies if we did so. Europeans make a good Euro or two off of our presence.


You didnt withdrew not out of good heart, you didnt withdrew because you NEED the bases in Europe (for logistical and support pourposes), and since we are all in NATO, we can't just kick you out, it would be offensive. You really, really overstate the economical value of your bases, its peanuts. Take them out, we won't mind, we will thank you.

A little less Europe vs America crap, a little more Europe :fluffle: America !

I dont think American's are any better than Europeans, we could learn alot from them, and vice-versa. If we want this world to work, we will have to get along...


I am an American also, and I do not believe we are any better or any worse than Europe, just different.

But it seems that some Europeans around here think they ARE better than America...

Regards,
Gaar

Flashheart']*sigh*
in ww1 millions of men died regardless of racxe colour or creed yes?
now considering also that the u.s did enter a little late and only contributed a little of what it could have done, not to say that each and every soldier did not fight for his country, but to say that the u.s as a government did not contribute in the same way as did say the russians and the french and tommys.now to say that the u.s as a eople did not contribute would be sacraligouse and be against the principles my grandfather led cavelrg charges pto machine guns for

Well, it was "started" for reasons that had NOTHING to do with the U.S., and were just a bit of European "quibbling", did it not? I mean one man was Assassinated and the World HAS to go to War?!?!

We didn't have any Treaties that would have MADE us commit to one side or the other, that I am aware of, so why is it we should have "run over immediately" to "help out", in your mind?

Regards,
Gaar

Well, it was "started" for reasons that had NOTHING to do with the U.S., and were just a bit of European "quibbling", did it not? I mean one man was Assassinated and the World HAS to go to War?!?!

We didn't have any Treaties that would have MADE us commit to one side or the other, that I am aware of, so why is it we should have "run over immediately" to "help out", in your mind?

Regards,
Gaar

the assasination of arch-duke ferdinand of austrohungary acted as a caylist for the war to happen

You didnt withdrew not out of good heart, you didnt withdrew because you NEED the bases in Europe (for logistical and support pourposes), and since we are all in NATO, we can't just kick you out, it would be offensive. You really, really overstate the economical value of your bases, its peanuts. Take them out, we won't mind, we will thank you.

That is your opinion. It would seem that the business owners in the towns near our bases disagree with you.

Remember a little fact: when the Philippines requested that we leave our base at Subic Bay, we did so without much in the way of protest, even though it was a strategically important naval base. If your nation's government actually asked us to leave, we would do so. For some reason, they don't ask... why would that be?

acording to some we europians are inferior in every considerable way compared to our dearly beloved american bretheren :eek:
i know that somewhare out there will be some europians who love america and vice versa, but it seems that whenever i talk to emericans on this forum all i get is anti europian complaints,

That is because anti europeanisme or xenophobia versus Europeans is the latest thing in fashion in the US (since half the 90ties) and it is not improving with a extreme right administration that sponsors think tanks for rewriting history and causing harm to EU on all forms.

Really, when you would change the the word "European" (or a nation that is victim of the anti EU propaganda) with "Jew", "negro" or "muslim" they should be ashamed. The one thing in fashion for, mostly history ignorant right wingers is anti Europeanism that is leaning towards virulent rascisme.

That is because anti europeanisme or xenophobia versus Europeans is the latest thing in fashion in the US (since half the 90ties) and it is not improving with a extreme right administration that sponsors think tanks for rewriting history and causing harm to EU on all forms.

Really, when you would change the the word "European" (or a nation that is victim of the anti EU propaganda) with "Jew", "negro" or "muslim" they should be ashamed. The one thing in fashion for, mostly history ignorant right wingers is anti Europeanism that is leaning towards virulent rascisme.

....oh yes..quite right :eek: jolly good..sorry old boy i am a bit dense but i gather....you are against anti-europianism..wich true i would say verges on racism

I don't quite understand all of the generalizations. I understand that some Americans are fat, Lazy, snobby. There are those kinds of people in all the parts of the world.

I agree with those ridiculous suings though. But that is not the general population of America. You only think that is because that is what the media will pour into your brain every couple a minutes. Radio: "A woman sues McDonalds for making her fat" TV: "A woman sues McDonalds for making her fat" Internet: "A Woman sues McDonalds for making her fat"
I myself look down upon such suings, and I don't even find them funny like my teenage peers do. They disgust me. But remember, it is only a few people, and then the media writes about that person all over ago. (When I say few, sure it may be a few.. THOUSAND... but there are MILLIONS of people in the US)

Speaking of which, I do believe that the American Media and American Education System is screwy. I don't like how in my history classes everything seems to evolve around America. That is why Americans usually don't think about Europe. It's not that we don't care, it's that we don't know that much about it (In general).

Speaking of us being separated from Europe:

When it comes to the Media/ News, all that you hear about other nations is like "The President went to talk to the ruler of "x" country" (Shows president shaking hands with the president, prime minister, queen, whatever). Then that is about it, unless there is like...A "war on Terrorism" thing, but I think the Media has calmed down on that.

It's not that we are selfish, or self-centered, or feel we are superior, its just that we really don't care about europe. We just don't give a damn. We don't care about foreign policy because WE ARE ALL FOREIGNERS. If we gave a damn, we would have stayed in England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, Etc, and done something about it. But we ran away, to be left alone, but you baffoons keep screwing things up (that's why we ran away) and we either got to jump in and bail you out, or do something to keep you from letting the world go to hell. That's the bottom dollar. On average, I would say the normal american NEVER thinks of Europe, not even as a vacation destination. We'd rather go to Disneyland, or Yellowstone, or Dodge City or Vagas.

Thats EXACTLY the problem with Americans. Americans dont consider anyone elses feelings about their country but are determined to force their own way-of-life down everyone elses throats.

Speaking of which, I do believe that the American Media and American Education System is screwy. I don't like how in my history classes everything seems to evolve around America. That is why Americans usually don't think about Europe. It's not that we don't care, it's that we don't know that much about it (In general).

What I find stupid about the American education system was something I read in the Times once. Apparantly the American historical curriculum refuses to teach Vietnam, despite the fact they only have 200 years of history to choose from.

Well, if you read it in the Times once, it must be the truth. Don't rub it in sport, we all know Americans are stupid. Don't try to teach them history.

On who's part? Americas (7 declared, and counting) or Europes (what 12,543 and counting)?
Actually the US has intervened militarily in the world 72 times since 1945.

and what would those views be then eh? socialism and welfare for all? who's gonna pay for that?
You just don't get it do you? You think that welfare is the only thing that costs a state? This isn't the first time I've called you out on it.

Despite what you think, you can't have the world's biggest military without a lot of taxes. If your choice is between welfare state and warfare state, Europe chose the former, America chose the latter.

Don't act as if American policies are perfect. Also I should remind you that right now your nation is the one with the biggest deficit in history.

After reading many, many posts in this forum I see no lopsided debate where USians run roughshod over their European counterparts. It has always seemed 50/50 to me. Both sides giving as good as they got. Both side engaged in mindless tit for tat insults.

Example of typical argument I have read:

USian: You Europeans are useless!

EUian: Yeah, well, you Americans are stupid! ha ha. . .really scored there

USian: Stupid!? We saved your ass in two wars!! Wimpy Eurotrash.

EUian: What!? The US is evil and creates chaos and evil everywhere! EVERYWHERE!!!

USian: Losers! Cowards! Morally bankrupt fiends!!!

Euian: Baby killers! Bush lovers! Lawyers!!!

If many posters don't enjoy this stuff then why do they choose to engage in it so often? The truth is it is fun for many people, it lets them vent some anger in a harmless way. Better to rant at each other on the internet than to pick up a rifle and fight, desho?

I read it but rarely if ever engage in it. Seems so pointless. I believe what I believe, the internet isn't going to change that. I like the US and more often than not dislike the EU. I don't hate the EU, don't wish them any harm. I simply love my country and will choose it over a foreign power 9 times out of ten.

31, you big pussy.

31, you big pussy.

meanie. . .I oughta. . .ooooooo. . .*mumbles inncoherently* *shakes fist*

that'll learn ya!!

After reading many, many posts in this forum I see no lopsided debate where USians run roughshod over their European counterparts. It has always seemed 50/50 to me. Both sides giving as good as they got. Both side engaged in mindless tit for tat insults.

Example of typical argument I have read:

USian: You Europeans are useless!

EUian: Yeah, well, you Americans are stupid! ha ha. . .really scored there

USian: Stupid!? We saved your ass in two wars!! Wimpy Eurotrash.

EUian: What!? The US is evil and creates chaos and evil everywhere! EVERYWHERE!!!

USian: Losers! Cowards! Morally bankrupt fiends!!!

Euian: Baby killers! Bush lovers! Lawyers!!!

If many posters don't enjoy this stuff then why do they choose to engage in it so often? The truth is it is fun for many people, it lets them vent some anger in a harmless way. Better to rant at each other on the internet than to pick up a rifle and fight, desho?

I read it but rarely if ever engage in it. Seems so pointless. I believe what I believe, the internet isn't going to change that. I like the US and more often than not dislike the EU. I don't hate the EU, don't wish them any harm. I simply love my country and will choose it over a foreign power 9 times out of ten.


We pick on each other because we really and truly love and respect each other. Well, maybe. Regardless, to you who knocked traveling in the usa - why would I want to go to europe: Britain - "Look a tower where they would keep women and children until they chopped their heads off"; France - "Look, a prison where they kept women and children till the guillotined them"; Germany - "Look, a camp where they kept women and children till they gassed them"; Spain - "Look, a chamber where they kept women and children till they confessed, and then chopped their heads off"; Italy, Turkey, Austria, etc. etc. etc. Happy history you have there, folks. As to the US education system, well, well, well, erm, well, it does suck. Your average public education here is next to worthless thanks to political correctness and the need to teach down to the lowest denominator, but those of us who want to learn can do so, for as long as we like, in any subject area we like, and do not need the results of government tests to tell us what school we can and can't attend.
In general, I don't like the French because you are self-centered blow hearts, I tend to like the English, mostly because they don't like the French. I like the Scots because they don't like the Irish. I dont' like the Germans because they have this huge sense of superiority over everything and everyone, but they don't like the French so I give them the benefit of the doubt. I like the Spanish because they are friendly. I like the Dutch because they have good smoke, and they don't like the Germans. I don't know you Swedes, Danes and Norwegians, so I will withhold judgement, but I like your blondes!! Polish?? We have more here in the states then there are in Poland, so it doesn't really matter. Chechs, Slavs, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. I like, because they have always been nice to me.

Flashheart']acording to some we europians are inferior in every considerable way compared to our dearly beloved american bretheren :eek:


No, Belgians and Germans make better beer. Also, if you really want a dish of snails, you really have to go to France.

If you want pork intestines, without the sausage meat stuffed inside, you have to go to America.

Why would you want pork intestines when you can go to Scotland and have lamb intestines?

Why would you want pork intestines when you can go to Scotland and have lamb intestines?
I thought you went to Scotland to eat sheep lungs stuffed into stomachs.

And where do you go to eat fish preserved in lye?

I can safely say that scotland is the most boring country i have ever been to, second is wales

german beer is the best and american is the worst.. Budweiser is a disgrace
no-one likes france..(have u guessed that im from england, cos every one hates us, except america who we hate (not me ilove american people) so we have no friends really) happy St Patrick's Day Irish people

Thats EXACTLY the problem with Americans. Americans dont consider anyone elses feelings about their country but are determined to force their own way-of-life down everyone elses throats.

Exactly right.

Thank goodness that France and Germany didn't cajole Poland for sending troops to Iraq.

I thought you went to Scotland to eat sheep lungs stuffed into stomachs.

And where do you go to eat fish preserved in lye?
Shhh... haggis isn't 'supposed' to contain sheep intestines... yeah, right.

And fish preserved in lye..? You mean lutefisk? Norway or Sweden would be a good place to start. Or Finland, but we eat anything you know. We are even fatter than you Americans.

german beer is the best and american is the worst.. Budweiser is a disgrace

Actually, I prefer Czech & Slovak beer. If you can find it, get some Smadny Mnich from Saris brewery (Slovakia).

American beer is a LONG way from being the worst; there are many good to excellent microbrews, and even Sam Adams (#6 brewers w/ 1% of 1% of the market by size) is very drinkable.

Worst IMHO goes to Russian beer. Have yet to find a good one.

English beer is alright, especially the bitters.

I can safely say that scotland is the most boring country i have ever been to, second is wales

Well, if you like windswept heather, and sheep, and men in skirts blowing tunes up a cat's ass in concert, and eating sheep lung mixed with oatmeal, then it's a great place.

Wales is a good place for people who like to read street signs. I find that they make sense after a few pints, though.

France was far more boring, IMHO. Outside of Paris, which is overrated, France is as dull as a spoon.

I can safely say that scotland is the most boring country i have ever been to, second is wales
I assume you didn't take the "Scottish distilleries- tour" I did. Far from boring. Of course the whisky might have helped...

Shhh... haggis isn't 'supposed' to contain sheep intestines... yeah, right.

And fish preserved in lye..? You mean lutefisk? Norway or Sweden would be a good place to start. Or Finland, but we eat anything you know. We are even fatter than you Americans.

Every place has some food that should be featured on Fear Factor in another country.

I draw the line at eating live bugs.

My favorite thing in the world is a sauna. You know, the kind you can live in, and occasionally run outside and rub yourself with snow, and run back in.

If I lived in Finland, I'd have a small sauna as my home in the middle of the woods, and I'd sit in there and eat and drink and roast myself silly.

We will continue to bail you out when you screw up

If your refering to either WW1 or 2 then dont. That was not America bailing Europe out, that was your own self interest in stopping Communisim taking all of Germany. Believe it or not it, Britian actually had a plan to win the war very fast long before the American's arrived. When the Americans joined the war on our side, they did not like it. Churchill and his generals basicly had the plan of Allied troops landing on the North German coast and taking Berlin with their own Blitzkrieg. American troops didnt like it because they thought it was two risky. If it failed the potential loss of life would have been immense, which while I can see, all I would have done is commited enough resorces to it to ensure it didnt fail. And during WW2 you werent exactly within the range of German bombers, so Britain did, I think, a very good job of standing up for as long as it did.

Anytime you have an alliance, it's because the allies *need* each other. QED. :)

It's not that we are selfish, or self-centered, or feel we are superior, its just that we really don't care about europe.


That's cool, we know you don't care about Europe or the world unless it's a financial/imperial gain to US Big Business or the US Administration, and that's we don't really care about you either.


But we ran away, to be left alone, but you baffoons keep screwing things up (that's why we ran away) and we either got to jump in and bail you out, or do something to keep you from letting the world go to hell. That's the bottom dollar.


Please spare us the 'US Saved your asses' bollocks.


On average, I would say the normal american NEVER thinks of Europe, not even as a vacation destination. We'd rather go to Disneyland, or Yellowstone, or Dodge City or Vagas.

You forgot Mcdonalds.

How very sad, insular, and pathetic.

we don't really care about you either.


Which is why you're constantly discussing us, protesting against us, etc.

Anyway, I don't really care to participate in this petty flame war. I saw a picture once, I wish I still had the link to it. This is what it said: "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded." Yes, I know it's on old image/saying and I'm sure you've all seen it before.

My point: Move along, stop flaming, stop feeding the trolls. Sitting around arguing on a message board isn't going to accomplish anything, nor is it going to change anyone's opinions about anything. And that goes both ways, to both Americans and Europeans.

Which is why you're constantly discussing us, protesting against us, etc.

Anyway, I don't really care to participate in this petty flame war. I saw a picture once, I wish I still had the link to it. This is what it said: "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded." Yes, I know it's on old image/saying and I'm sure you've all seen it before.

My point: Move along, stop flaming, stop feeding the trolls. Sitting around arguing on a message board isn't going to accomplish anything, nor is it going to change anyone's opinions about anything. And that goes both ways, to both Americans and Europeans.

i agree this thread was dead when it was made.
any way how did you find it. i thought it was burried in the mists of time...allwell

That's cool, we know you don't care about Europe or the world unless it's a financial/imperial gain to US Big Business or the US Administration, and that's we don't really care about you either.



Please spare us the 'US Saved your asses' bollocks.



You forgot Mcdonalds.

How very sad, insular, and pathetic.

OK, you European bohunk, why is it that Europe never does anything unless it benefits their self-interest, but the instant America does anything that benefits our self-interest, we are bad, bad, bad.

Also, all I need to do is go to Normandy, or Flanders, and see the crosses of American dead burried in your soil, that died to free your butts, and I know you are an ass. We died willingly, because it was right, not because it was economically smart. When I think of my uncles (three of them) that were in the Normandy Invasion, including one that was a medic in the first wave at Omaha Beach (1 silver star, two bronze stars, all earned without carrying a rifle, and I never even knew about it till his funeral this year, because he never spoke of it, never griped, and never felt anyone owed him a thing for his courage - he felt it was his duty) and how they willingly went into battle and risked all for our "brothers" in Europe, and then I hear you whine and weeze how "we don't need you", "you didn't really help", "we had a plan already, we could have done it by ourselves", I want to vomit. I don't think you owe us anything for what we did, except some respect. Funny thing is, we will do it again if we have to, because it is right, even though you think we are all fat and lazy and cowardly, we really do have a very simple belief in doing what is right, and helping others in need.

OK, you European bohunk, why is it that Europe never does anything unless it benefits their self-interest, but the instant America does anything that benefits our self-interest, we are bad, bad, bad.

Also, all I need to do is go to Normandy, or Flanders, and see the crosses of American dead burried in your soil, that died to free your butts, and I know you are an ass. We died willingly, because it was right, not because it was economically smart. When I think of my uncles (three of them) that were in the Normandy Invasion, including one that was a medic in the first wave at Omaha Beach (1 silver star, two bronze stars, all earned without carrying a rifle, and I never even knew about it till his funeral this year, because he never spoke of it, never griped, and never felt anyone owed him a thing for his courage - he felt it was his duty) and how they willingly went into battle and risked all for our "brothers" in Europe, and then I hear you whine and weeze how "we don't need you", "you didn't really help", "we had a plan already, we could have done it by ourselves", I want to vomit. I don't think you owe us anything for what we did, except some respect. Funny thing is, we will do it again if we have to, because it is right, even though you think we are all fat and lazy and cowardly, we really do have a very simple belief in doing what is right, and helping others in need.


if england had been taken it would have provided a perfect "launch pad" for germanys bombing and invasion of america, i had relatives at dunkirk,normandy,singapore and Arnehm and i am sure that they did not die for no reason, i know the HUGE sacrifices made by the U.S in the pacific and for this i respect america, but unfortunatly modern mass beleif (in england anyway) is that we should respect america for no reason than fear.

Flashheart']acording to some we europians are inferior in every considerable way compared to our dearly beloved american bretheren :eek:
i know that somewhare out there will be some europians who love america and vice versa, but it seems that whenever i talk to emericans on this forum all i get is anti europian complaints,now this could be due to the fact that i was saying a few things which may have been insulting to americans and i am sorry but the thread probably was titled "whats rong with the u.s" or some such name, now heres me thinking that i should actually say what i think is rong with america, of course the whole thing eventually ends up with me in an argument with 8 americans (1 on 8 just is not cricket)
and the end concludes with me being proved rong on so many levels.
now maybe we of the british,french,german,norwegian...etc,
should just give up and just go about our boring europian lives in our boring uncultured little cits wich never have anything in them. perhaps we should just hang the stars and stripes, perhaps just become america 2.

anyway i will leave it for you to decide but i for one am fed up of american selfishness and big headedness however i also have been taught to never underestimate the american nation, especially for their great sacrifices in the pacific theater dure in ww2 .....anywho i shall now retire to my cave to fashion things from wood


Im just wondering how selfish you precieved America after it went out of its way to clean up Europes mess in Bosnia ? The EU was so incapable of dealing with the issue of genocide in its own backyard nothing was done until America stepped in putting our fighters lives on the line for your own mess. I can really see Americas selfishness florushing.... First off, what country does not look out for its own interests on every matter it precieves... you may altruistically be thinking of Europe.. but i think the entire Iraq matter and the oil for food scandle puts this to rest quite quickly.. and perhaps if the World stoped using the US as a crutch for all its problems, America wont take critisim with such spite...

:D Im just wondering how selfish you precieved America after it went out of its way to clean up Europes mess in Bosnia ? The EU was so incapable of dealing with the issue of genocide in its own backyard nothing was done until America stepped in putting our fighters lives on the line for your own mess. I can really see Americas selfishness florushing.... First off, what country does not look out for its own interests on every matter it precieves... you may altruistically be thinking of Europe.. but i think the entire Iraq matter and the oil for food scandle puts this to rest quite quickly.. and perhaps if the World stoped using the US as a crutch for all its problems, America wont take critisim with such spite...


europe is a continent...and er...well the bosnia thing..erm..shall we just forget about that one..by the way i am taking neither side in this argument :D

Flashheart']i am glad to see someone on my side for once, although i have nothing against americans themselves...i suppose they cvant help it..its the education system and public enviroment....do you live in america or germany?

What amazes me is...

You go off on some rant about people "ganging up" on you, yet you are trying to do just that here, why is that?

Perhaps you are being "proven wrong" because others are offering empirical data to support their positions and you use Bigotry and innuendo?!?!

Saying that Europe has some "better visions" of the future and it is because we U.S. citizens (amazing how when a European uses the term "American" no one jumps them, but let a U.S. citizen do it and WATCH OUT!) are somehow educated in an inferior manner than you Europeans?!?!

Shall we ACTUALLY look at empirical data, or would you just like to continue YOUR ranting?

Regards,
Gaar

guys come on! we know that neither side can win heer (bar me i am neutral :D ) can we not just agree that BOTH europe and america have levels of education and whatever that are equal? (obviously tuttle is a bad example although he is ignorant he is intelligent..not emotionally though)

If your refering to either WW1 or 2 then dont. That was not America bailing Europe out, that was your own self interest in stopping Communisim taking all of Germany. Believe it or not it, Britian actually had a plan to win the war very fast long before the American's arrived. When the Americans joined the war on our side, they did not like it. Churchill and his generals basicly had the plan of Allied troops landing on the North German coast and taking Berlin with their own Blitzkrieg. American troops didnt like it because they thought it was two risky. If it failed the potential loss of life would have been immense, which while I can see, all I would have done is commited enough resorces to it to ensure it didnt fail. And during WW2 you werent exactly within the range of German bombers, so Britain did, I think, a very good job of standing up for as long as it did.

... omg... what a load. Do you have any recollection at all of the time of events... Russian forces weren't exactly advancing when America entered the war.. infact they were too busy running to moscow and germany sweapt accross their land. So how is it we saw Communism as the threat ?? And im sure Britian was quite capable of delivering the "resources" you so describe when londen was being flatend day by day.. and Britian didn't even have the proper ship capacity to evacuate its forces from Dunkirk using fisherman boats and the lot. You of course forget the fact that Germany's luftlaff airforce all but ruled the skies over and around europe with the small exception of Britian, and the seas with thier submarines. YEs britian did a very nice job of staying alive.. Yet that was aLL They were doing.. staying alive.. they had no where near the capacity to take Berlin.. and even if they could take berlin.. you think the entire Natzi empire would crumble ?? they would have retaken the city in days destroying what little army Britian and france had left. They could only consider that fool hardly plan by including American force strength..

please try to maintain your PERSPECTIVE when you make such tremendous and overbearing accusations and assumptions

Invidentia

i am neutral in this argument but would like to point something out

german bomb sites were so poor that only a bit of london was flatened and after the B of B we pretty much owned the skies of britain, norway (later on through the batle of fjords) and the channel..i ask how could britain be bombed so much after we won the battle of britain...it was the R.A.F which cripple the luftwaffe so badly that they only had 2 planes to spare at overlord (hyperbole). apart from that i dont think that you understand what we as a country were preparing for, true U.S supplies and equipment (such as the mustang and sherman) we are gratefull but if you had given us a few years we could have taken france back and then
"to berlin for tea and medals"

shh dont tell anyone but i have [NS] flashhearts password :D

shh dont tell anyone but i have [NS] flashhearts password :D
Ghehehe. You were too clever for your own good Mr. Neutral. :D

First a question: Wasn't Pearl Harbor the reason for the US to enter the war?

Now I can try to describe the situation as it was:
Hitler had Europe. All of it, except for Britain which was pretty hard to get, but could in no way fight the massive Nazi force on the mainland.
However, Europe wasn't enough, he needed Russia as well. And while it's true that the Soviets were running at first, Stalingrad changed some stuff and they ended up kicking his ass.
Without the US, I believe that Britain would have fallen and Hitler and Stalin would have ended up going back to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

This is what I learned in school (I'm Polish, so I'm basically unbiased). Can someone say if this is wrong or right?

Ghehehe. You were too clever for your own good Mr. Neutral. :D

i know.
although i only found it out today and haveonly made two posts in his name :D

shh dont tell anyone but i have [NS] flashhearts password :D :eek:
thats it i am changing it

First a question: Wasn't Pearl Harbor the reason for the US to enter the war?

Now I can try to describe the situation as it was:
Hitler had Europe. All of it, except for Britain which was pretty hard to get, but could in no way fight the massive Nazi force on the mainland.
However, Europe wasn't enough, he needed Russia as well. And while it's true that the Soviets were running at first, Stalingrad changed some stuff and they ended up kicking his ass.
Without the US, I believe that Britain would have fallen and Hitler and Stalin would have ended up going back to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

This is what I learned in school (I'm Polish, so I'm basically unbiased). Can someone say if this is wrong or right?


i would have to say (this is what i have been taught here) that with time britian could have ammassed an army capable of giving jerry a good run for his money....what with all the neat stuff america gave us(lend lease agreement, nothing to do with them actually being in the war)

First a question: Wasn't Pearl Harbor the reason for the US to enter the war?

Now I can try to describe the situation as it was:
Hitler had Europe. All of it, except for Britain which was pretty hard to get, but could in no way fight the massive Nazi force on the mainland.
However, Europe wasn't enough, he needed Russia as well. And while it's true that the Soviets were running at first, Stalingrad changed some stuff and they ended up kicking his ass.
Without the US, I believe that Britain would have fallen and Hitler and Stalin would have ended up going back to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

This is what I learned in school (I'm Polish, so I'm basically unbiased). Can someone say if this is wrong or right?

Without A US entry into WWII, the lack of pressure on the western front probably would have allowed the Germans to recover from a defeat at Stalingrad and stabilize the eastern front. Sure, western Allies didn't land untill 44 but the Germans had to be thinking about them all the time until then, sucking off troops and reasources from the east. A stalemate would have been likely but where the lines would have been drawn, I really couldn't tell ya, Kiev maybe? Britain wouldn't have fallen.

Meh. People trying to combat jingoism and arrogance with jingoism and arrogance.

Very true.

First a question: Wasn't Pearl Harbor the reason for the US to enter the war?

Now I can try to describe the situation as it was:
Hitler had Europe. All of it, except for Britain which was pretty hard to get, but could in no way fight the massive Nazi force on the mainland.
However, Europe wasn't enough, he needed Russia as well. And while it's true that the Soviets were running at first, Stalingrad changed some stuff and they ended up kicking his ass.
Without the US, I believe that Britain would have fallen and Hitler and Stalin would have ended up going back to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

This is what I learned in school (I'm Polish, so I'm basically unbiased). Can someone say if this is wrong or right?

Russias forces were basically brute force.. they had little to no artiliery and 1 gun to every 2 soldiers... the reason why Russia was so successful in its advance on germany was 2 part. One was the devestating Russian Winter and the other was the fact that German forces had to be split after American and British forces stormed normandy and invaded France. If Germany was allowed to focuse its forces on Russia, the soviet forces would have had no chance against the full force of German artilery. And just what do you think the British force strength was in those days, that they would beable to retake france and ultimatly destroy Berlin without the use of American artilery advanced airforce (b2 bombers) ... In all my years studying history.. ive never seen any evidence to suggest Britian had to forces to make any advancements on Europe on its own.

As well you give Russia and Europe too much attention.. without the US Japan already controling most of China and manchuria would have invaded the Russians asian boarder. How long would Russia have lasted on a 2 front war I wonder

Most of them are ignorant dummies.

After my dad set the record for the amount of money ever awarded to a prosecutor that sued teh doctor, the news started lieing everywhere in the story. later in school, I wasn't that great anyways. The Americans are mostly ignorant.

Your dad set the record for the most amount of money ever awarded to a prosecutor??? 600 million was it you said? Interesting. Just out curiousity, given that both my parents are doctors(only 1 is a surgeon though), exactly what type of doctor is your father? 600 million is a very large sum, given that usually its just medical expenses, lost lifetime earnings and pain and suffering. given that John Edwards was able to secure of the largest awards in medical malpractice history(in his state anyway) and it only added up to 30 odd million(pre natal child, hence a chunk in lifetime potential earnings and pain and suffering being a multiple thereof), I am extremely curious what type of doctor your father is. And exactly what happened to award a plaintiff 600 million dollars.

Shhh... haggis isn't 'supposed' to contain sheep intestines... yeah, right.

And fish preserved in lye..? You mean lutefisk? Norway or Sweden would be a good place to start. Or Finland, but we eat anything you know. We are even fatter than you Americans.

Really? I thought we here in American were pretty bad.

Eh, I live to eat anyway. Life's too short. :p

Originally posted by31
Britain wouldn't have fallen.

I actually only extrapolated this part from two facts:
a) Hitler was perfectly insane and quite child-like
b) I distinticly remember reading in some credible source (no idea what it was exactly though :() that he really really wanted to see UK fall

Oh, and thank you very much for the insight I wanted :) If only more people were interested in the facts and not nationalist propaganda... :p


I need to write faster.


As well you give Russia and Europe too much attention.. without the US Japan already controling most of China and manchuria would have invaded the Russians asian boarder. How long would Russia have lasted on a 2 front war I wonder

So Japan actually wanted the whole of Asia? :confused:

Being a Brit, and therefore party to the gross America-bumlicking that goes on here, I'd have to say that I find more of my European counterparts more arrogant and self-centred than Americans are. While Americans generally may well be crass and so far up their own arses then can lick the back of their own teeth, they have a right to on account of Europe making them the strongest force in the world through their own futile actions... namely WW1 & 2.

If you want to blame someone on America stamping it's size 10s all over the world, blame Europe. If it hadn't had to drag an already emerging superpower into it's conflict to save itself from Nazi domination we'd never be in the situation we're in now.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to drive my Ford to Asda (owned by WalMart) to buy some Coke and Guns.

Uhm, sorry buddy, you are a Brit. Your govt(and peers) dont believe you are competant enough to own a gun without going on a killing rampage and butchering women children and non mad cow infected cattle.

Sorry, enjoy the coke though. I hear its great on teeth and car paint.

I actually only extrapolated this part from two facts:
a) Hitler was perfectly insane and quite child-like
b) I distinticly remember reading in some credible source (no idea what it was exactly though :() that he really really wanted to see UK fall

Oh, and thank you very much for the insight I wanted :) If only more people were interested in the facts and not nationalist propaganda... :p

actually thats quite false... Hitler had extreme respect for Britian as they had a long history of Power through millitary might and imperial rule. Hilter rather looked up to Britian much in the way he looked up to Muslunni, and only fought Britian because they had joined in on the side of France.. In fact there were many correspondence between Germany and Britian before the war trying to assure peace between them for this very fact.

Going to war isn't being arrogant?

Being someone who claims their dad is a doctor who lost a 600 million dollar medical malpractice claim doesnt make you a bit of an imbecile?

edit: wouldnt it be funny if I had to bite my tongue on this one? BTW, I am alergic to tongue.. cow tongue anyway, it makes me break out in hives. Gotta stop making out with cows..or was that pigs? eh, same differance(at least on thursday nights)

people cam down

"cam"

Isnt that some sort of car part?

Being someone who claims their dad is a doctor who lost a 600 million dollar medical malpractice claim doesnt make you a bit of an imbecile?

edit: wouldnt it be funny if I had to bite my tongue on this one? BTW, I am alergic to tongue.. cow tongue anyway, it makes me break out in hives. Gotta stop making out with cows..or was that pigs? eh, same differance(at least on thursday nights)
Prepare for a feast. I thought I saw him posting links explaining the case somewhere... of course, would you trust the internet... I generally don't.

First a question: Wasn't Pearl Harbor the reason for the US to enter the war?

Now I can try to describe the situation as it was:
Hitler had Europe. All of it, except for Britain which was pretty hard to get, but could in no way fight the massive Nazi force on the mainland.
However, Europe wasn't enough, he needed Russia as well. And while it's true that the Soviets were running at first, Stalingrad changed some stuff and they ended up kicking his ass.
Without the US, I believe that Britain would have fallen and Hitler and Stalin would have ended up going back to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

This is what I learned in school (I'm Polish, so I'm basically unbiased). Can someone say if this is wrong or right?

I'd say this isn't totally unlikely, although I don't know whether us Brits would have fallen or not (Interesting fact: The last thing I truly admire and respect about this nation, outside of the entertainment industry, was what we did in WW2.). If the Nazis had been able to ship troops over in force, I think we'd have ended up in a similar state to France. Fortunately, we managed to keep the Luftwaffe back in the Battle of Britain, and thanks also to Hitler's irrationality, he switched to bombing our civilian centers when he should have kept pressing the attack on our airfields.

I know we wouldn't have given up without a fight. Indeed, there's a chance we'd have made peace with Hitler, as he couldn't conquer us easily, but we couldn't fight back effectively.

Regardless of these hypothetical outcomes, we know one thing: We won, and we won with a hell of a lot of help from the Yanks, who subsequently kept Western Europe safe from Stalin for over half a century. Maybe we'd have been able to do it alone, but the fact is that we didn't do it alone. We owe them our respect and gratitude for their help, because the spirit was just as important as the deed itself.

Both sides have their flaws. There are things I don't like about the US, and there are things I don't like about Europe. I personally prefer things in America on a day-to-day basis, and I am very approving of a lot of American policies on things. At the same time, I'm very disapproving of the attemps at control made by the religious in the US, and I abhor the bigotry there. I don't plan to fix any of this by whaling on the US or EU, though - that's all just in good fun as far as I'm concerned if I'm instigating - I plan to fix this by being a good person and doing what I believe is right.

actually thats quite false... Hitler had extreme respect for Britian as they had a long history of Power through millitary might and imperial rule. Hilter rather looked up to Britian much in the way he looked up to Muslunni, and only fought Britian because they had joined in on the side of France.. In fact there were many correspondence between Germany and Britian before the war trying to assure peace between them for this very fact.

Once again I find myself wishing I spent more time on history in high school...

Can you say something more about Asia?


I did not expect to elicit a response as great as the above post. Unistate, I salute you! :)

no and i have no interest in running for any politicle job i am not qualified not all austrians are arnold you know thank you

Thank God!!!

guy comes to the Us with zero education skills, works out in a free gym and becomes a world class (weightlifter?? sorry, dont know the right word), makes millions selling vitamins to other weightlifters, goes into movies and make even more tens/hundreds of millions, not to mention becoming a staple of my generation and an icon. Marries into one of the oldest and most respected families in the US. Becomes govenor of the largest state in the Union(as a member of a party OPPOSITE his married into families connections). Is on the verge of having a 200+ year constitution rewritten so he can run for president.

Geez, if all Austrians were like Arnold, I might as well kill myself. There would be nothing in this world left for me to do. Did I add in that he came here dirt poor and couldnt even speak the language? For that matter he can barely speak it now.

Once again, thank god all Austrians are not like Arnold, you guys would be ruling the world.

Europeans in my experience are better educated, nicer and better mannered than Americans, of course my exposure the America was Summer trips in Montana and Idaho, online games, and of course the omni-present American mass media, which is biased in almost every way; and spits out nothing but pro-american propaganda and tales of and destruction on America's streets.

I like Europeans better.

Yeah. Why the fuck cant our leaders get some fricking balls and tell the Yankees 's Armed Forces and intelligence services to get the fuck out of our countries? You don't like us and we like you even less so why should we continue to be your lackies and host military bases?!

I think Euro-American relations might actually become better if we ceased being "Allies" and would start to treat each others as equals.

A) your leaders bitch when we threaten to remove troops because they want the revenue those soldiers provide.

b)Sorry buddy, we are not equals except as human beings. If you want your country to be treated as an equal then have it develop the military and economic might to be treated as such. Equality isnt given, its earned. Same goes with respect. Want to be a player? then act like one. Or you can continue whining. Your choice, not ours.

China, India, Uk and Eastern Europe doesn't whine, why does France and Germany western Europe continue to whine?

You guys want respect? Then come come take it. Its there for the taking, but no one is gonna give it away.

Why would you want pork intestines when you can go to Scotland and have lamb intestines?


'cause haggis sounds funny even when drunk on good scotch.

China, India, Uk and Eastern Europe doesn't whine, why does France and Germany western Europe continue to whine?

Actually it's only France that is whining. Germans are simply against any given war (at least the ones I met). I don't remember the rest of Western Europe being very local (and don't forget that Spain lies in the western parts :D).

'cause haggis sounds funny even when drunk on good scotch.
"...even when drunk..."?

german beer is the best and american is the worst.. Budweiser is a disgrace
no-one likes france..(have u guessed that im from england, cos every one hates us, except america who we hate (not me ilove american people) so we have no friends really) happy St Patrick's Day Irish people

Budweiser isnt beer. It isnt even a beverage. Its a marketing tool dreamt up by overpaid marketing people, that and the swedish bikini team(none of whom are actually swedish..but hey it isnt like they are selling actual beer)

A) your leaders bitch when we threaten to remove troops because they want the revenue those soldiers provide.

b)Sorry buddy, we are not equals except as human beings. If you want your country to be treated as an equal then have it develop the military and economic might to be treated as such. Equality isnt given, its earned. Same goes with respect. Want to be a player? then act like one. Or you can continue whining. Your choice, not ours.

China, India, Uk and Eastern Europe doesn't whine, why does France and Germany western Europe continue to whine?

You guys want respect? Then come come take it. Its there for the taking, but no one is gonna give it away.

That has gotta be the opinion I hear the most from my conservative friends. As a liberal American I'm appalled by this. In my opinion (Which never counts I've noticed. And I don't expect it to.) the United States is on the verge of a political schism. What you conservative assholes fail to realize is how easily we could've been crushed by European powers in the past. We must realize the French saved our asses in the battle of Yorktown by blockading the British navy. After the Civil War...hell Canada could've kicked our asses (No offense to our neighbor's in the north.). If they didn't go rampaging through our country in it's weakened state, why should we do it to other countries? I've noticed that we have forgotten about our borders. We forget that we should take care of things within our borders long before looking to other's troubles. Just because we have the power to do things doesn't mean we have to. If America continues in this downward spiral...well we'll be like Europe but with a length of power much shorter.

Prepare for a feast. I thought I saw him posting links explaining the case somewhere... of course, would you trust the internet... I generally don't.

I did a LITTLE bit of checking before I posted. Unless its a class action against a company there is really no chance it happened. Medical malpractice suits against individual doctors dont run anywhere near this high. And thats before judge reduced verdicts.

Maybe his pops was some doctor in some HMO that got hit hard, who knows, but I am in the securities business and eagerly await news of such lawsuits so unless i am really not thinking of something, he is just some dumb ass kid who doesnt know the diff between 600 thou or 6 mil and 600 million. That type of loss bankcrupts fortune 500 companies. unless they are tobacco govt extortion scams.

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Fucking lawyers...I couldnt make my living without them..especially elliot spitzer the self righteous political hack that he is

Europeans in my experience are better educated, nicer and better mannered than Americans, of course my exposure the America was Summer trips in Montana and Idaho, online games, and of course the omni-present American mass media, which is biased in almost every way; and spits out nothing but pro-american propaganda and tales of and destruction on America's streets.

I like Europeans better.

Can I play? I'd like to compare the people I work with in NYC against some Ukrainian farmers I met once... :p

Just because we have the power to do things doesn't mean we have to. If America continues in this downward spiral...well we'll be like Europe but with a length of power much shorter.

I think I've figured it out.

We noticed that 9-11 happened because we didn't clean the Afghanistan mess up - after we played a major hand in creating it during the Soviet occupation.

So, we took a look around at what the US has fucked up. Ah, I see. We created Saddam Hussein. Let's go clean his ass up.

You'll notice that in other places in the world, where European colonialism fucked up some part of the world, about the only country willing to go back and try to fix anything is France. I don't hear anyone giving them crap about that.

Other European countries are willing to let the whole world go to shit - especially in countries that they themselves fucked up.

Maybe - just maybe - when we're done cleaning our own messes up, we'll start with the others.

Budweiser isnt beer. It isnt even a beverage. Its a marketing tool dreamt up by overpaid marketing people, that and the swedish bikini team(none of whom are actually swedish..but hey it isnt like they are selling actual beer)

Budweiser is a beer. It's just not a very good one. Kind of like how Renault is a car, but not a very good one.

Look, people have strange tastes:
I hear that some people put ketchup on their fries. Some people like anchovies. Some people actually find French cooking tasty. Go figure. :)

I think I've figured it out.

We noticed that 9-11 happened because we didn't clean the Afghanistan mess up - after we played a major hand in creating it during the Soviet occupation.

So, we took a look around at what the US has fucked up. Ah, I see. We created Saddam Hussein. Let's go clean his ass up.

You'll notice that in other places in the world, where European colonialism fucked up some part of the world, about the only country willing to go back and try to fix anything is France. I don't hear anyone giving them crap about that.

Other European countries are willing to let the whole world go to shit - especially in countries that they themselves fucked up.

Maybe - just maybe - when we're done cleaning our own messes up, we'll start with the others.

Ah, you mean little regions like... Africa?

Ah, you mean little regions like... Africa?

Africa is a clusterfuck created by European racism, colonialism, greedy mining interests, and Cold War meddling.

Africa is a clusterfuck created by European racism, colonialism, greedy mining interests, and Cold War meddling.

Not exactly my wording, but conscise and to the point. :)

Yes, but Africa is solving their problems as we speak.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4359253.stm
:D

Look, people have strange tastes:
I hear that some people put ketchup on their fries. Some people like anchovies. Some people actually find French cooking tasty. Go figure. :)

No they don't. You lie! You're a lying liar who's full of lies! xD

Can I play? I'd like to compare the people I work with in NYC against some Ukrainian farmers I met once... :p


Ill up your bet with MIT grads vs half starved Eastern European ditch diggers.

Let me take that back, I meant West German Union workers. At least the Eastern Europeans know the value of hard work.

Budweiser is a beer. It's just not a very good one. Kind of like how Renault is a car, but not a very good one.



Look buddy, while I have agread with many of your posts, I have to call you on this one. Its true that Budweiser can technically be called a beer, but its a lie to claim Renault makes cars. They makes these weird boxes with what I believe to be French midgets inside(pathetic attempts at full employment and all)

They make noises and all, but the damn boxes dont really go anywhere.

Can I play? I'd like to compare the people I work with in NYC against some Ukrainian farmers I met once... :p

Why?

Are you trying to help him support his "THEORY"?!?! :rolleyes:

:p

Regards,
Gaar

Africa is a clusterfuck created by European racism, colonialism, greedy mining interests, and Cold War meddling.

No, oddly it is a testament that maybe Europe was right in the 19th century. God I hope not, think of all the textbooks they would have to re print. Think of the trees for GOD's sake

It seems to me thats all you Anti American Europeans have over looked many things. America isnt to where near perfect, and I not saying it is, but the fact is we're the melting pot of the world. It we could be like France, or Germany, who's population generally share the same background it would be far easier to be the way Europe wants us to be. We aren't what Europe wants us to be and we never will be, let us not forget America is the reason we won WWII, and the reason the Soviets didn't take over Europe. Your giving us the crap that we give you. I could argue the Europeans are just as self-centered as Americans. But the fact remains neither are perfect, and you all have had a lot more time to work of perfection then we've had. Your getting sick of wars because you history is filled with them. I mean if there are so many of you that hate us then do something about it, but the problem here is there aren't. Most Europeans, like most Americans like either other, its just the extremist on both sides that don't. But like their American counter parts, The extremist Europeans have their head in the sand, and its like talking to a brick wall. :headbang:

Yes, but Africa is solving their problems as we speak.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4359253.stm
:D

Shoot. I wish the Connecticut legislature would do that every now any again!

Look buddy, while I have agread with many of your posts, I have to call you on this one. Its true that Budweiser can technically be called a beer, but its a lie to claim Renault makes cars. They makes these weird boxes with what I believe to be French midgets inside(pathetic attempts at full employment and all)

They make noises and all, but the damn boxes dont really go anywhere.

:confused:
Exactly. And I've had a dozen Buds and also not gotten anywhere.

Ergo, Budweiser is the Renault of Beers. :D

Ill up your bet with MIT grads vs half starved Eastern European ditch diggers.

Let me take that back, I meant West German Union workers. At least the Eastern Europeans know the value of hard work.

As an Eastern European that has dug a ditch and three trenches, I'll take you up on that offer! (I'm also a bit peckish right now... hmm.)

Okay, how about seven staff members from the Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art vs. a line of Czech cab drivers stuck on a one lane road behind two old priests in a Skoda? :D

:confused:
Exactly. And I've had a dozen Buds and also not gotten anywhere.

Ergo, Budweiser is the Renault of Beers. :D

Interesting logic.

You are failing to acknowledge that sitting on the can for an hour because of your dozen buds is "going anywhere".

hence American(USA obviously because Canadian and Mexican beer is pretty damn good..not that I like Canada) beer trumps French "cars"

Personally I think that Renault is a scam by the French govt so more people will use their EXCELLENT subway system(Paris anyway) that and the crepes being the only worthwhile things there(In Paris anyway). The music is god awful and both the women and men and the whole city SMELL. Did I mention that French music is akin to hearing cats slowly strangle? What posseses people to pay money for such "noise"?

Interesting logic.

You are failing to acknowledge that sitting on the can for an hour because of your dozen buds is "going anywhere".

hence American(USA obviously because Canadian and Mexican beer is pretty damn good..not that I like Canada) beer trumps French "cars"

Personally I think that Renault is a scam by the French govt so more people will use their EXCELLENT subway system(Paris anyway) that and the crepes being the only worthwhile things there(In Paris anyway). The music is god awful and both the women and men and the whole city SMELL. Did I mention that French music is akin to hearing cats slowly strangle? What posseses people to pay money for such "noise"?

Can? Pfah. I'm a man. I go outside and water the tree.
I still posit, however, that while the Buds got me to go to the 'loo, they didn't get me any closer to inebriation. So Bud = Renault.

I think France is actually just a Dutch marketing scam. Since 1923, the only thing good to come out of France was the bikini. ;)

As an Eastern European that has dug a ditch and three trenches, I'll take you up on that offer! (I'm also a bit peckish right now... hmm.)

Okay, how about seven staff members from the Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art vs. a line of Czech cab drivers stuck on a one lane road behind two old priests in a Skoda? :D


Tough call, Skoda is a prestige car in the part of the world I am in now. My next oldest cousin sunk 2 factories yet still drives his skoda, upgraded a year ago from something else. Yeah, bankcruptcy must suck

Met people dont count, except as target practice. Gotta aim for the shiny little tag. Double points if you can take out the dreck and knock off the tag in the same shot. Its not like they are real people.

Dont know about Czech cab drivers. havent been there since 1991. Sorry, just dont know enough.

Can? Pfah. I'm a man. I go outside and water the tree.
I still posit, however, that while the Buds got me to go to the 'loo, they didn't get me any closer to inebriation. So Bud = Renault.

I think France is actually just a Dutch marketing scam. Since 1923, the only thing good to come out of France was the bikini. ;)


Point taken, yet I still do not equate bud to renault because, barring everything else, at least the Americans are able to make money off of bud..unlike the French and Renault.

The French invented the bikini? Geez, I have to credit them for something? you have ruined my day. I can only hope that the French were so stupid that they invented it for men and it took sane societies to realize that only WOMEN should wear them and men should wear shorts.

and what would those views be then eh? socialism and welfare for all? who's gonna pay for that?

didn't you people learn anything from the 1930's? you had that peace at any price mentality back then and it didn't work, and you still have it now, and I tell you, it still doesn't work.

Some of you might think we're all being very gung ho in going to war, but that isn't true, we'd prefer not to have it, however we realize, that sometimes a small war NOW is better than a big one in the future.


I don't want to rub it in, but being given lectures about the 1930s by someone who likes to be called "Hitlerreich" is a bit too too...

Flashheart']acording to some we europians are inferior in every considerable way compared to our dearly beloved american bretheren :eek:
i know that somewhare out there will be some europians who love america and vice versa, but it seems that whenever i talk to emericans on this forum all i get is anti europian complaints,now this could be due to the fact that i was saying a few things which may have been insulting to americans and i am sorry but the thread probably was titled "whats rong with the u.s" or some such name, now heres me thinking that i should actually say what i think is rong with america, of course the whole thing eventually ends up with me in an argument with 8 americans (1 on 8 just is not cricket)
and the end concludes with me being proved rong on so many levels.
now maybe we of the british,french,german,norwegian...etc,
should just give up and just go about our boring europian lives in our boring uncultured little cits wich never have anything in them. perhaps we should just hang the stars and stripes, perhaps just become america 2.

anyway i will leave it for you to decide but i for one am fed up of american selfishness and big headedness however i also have been taught to never underestimate the american nation, especially for their great sacrifices in the pacific theater dure in ww2 .....anywho i shall now retire to my cave to fashion things from woodwell, you can't expect to critisize America (or any other nation for that matter) and not EXPECT bitterness, defensiveness or even return critisisms. however, instead of focusing on the differences, I would certainly like to hear more about the similarities between different nations.

and while you retire to your cave, I'll go and sleep in my Grass Hut after a hard days surfing. :rolleyes:

OK, you European bohunk, why is it that Europe never does anything unless it benefits their self-interest, but the instant America does anything that benefits our self-interest, we are bad, bad, bad.


So you think that America doing something for self interest is alright because Europe does it too?

I don't see the EU as a whole invading middle eastern countries for oil. I don't see deformed kids in Vietnamese hospitals from agent orange caused by the EU dropping them.




Also, all I need to do is go to Normandy, or Flanders, and see the crosses of American dead burried in your soil, that died to free your butts, and I know you are an ass. We died willingly, because it was right, not because it was economically smart.


Britain had defeated Nazi Germany in the Battle of Britain by 1940, and the Soviet Union was giving the Germans a good kicking by the end of 1942.

I have alot to owe to the RAF and the Soviets and other other allied nations, as well as the US for my freedom.

And it was economically smart. Got you out of the depression, did it not? Britain for one had to give away it's empire because it was in financial debt to the US.

Yeah, that lend-lease did not come free, did it? No, always something for the US to capitalise on...even war.





When I think of my uncles (three of them) that were in the Normandy Invasion, including one that was a medic in the first wave at Omaha Beach (1 silver star, two bronze stars, all earned without carrying a rifle, and I never even knew about it till his funeral this year, because he never spoke of it, never griped, and never felt anyone owed him a thing for his courage - he felt it was his duty) and how they willingly went into battle and risked all for our "brothers" in Europe, and then I hear you whine and weeze how "we don't need you", "you didn't really help", "we had a plan already, we could have done it by ourselves", I want to vomit. I don't think you owe us anything for what we did, except some respect. Funny thing is, we will do it again if we have to, because it is right, even though you think we are all fat and lazy and cowardly, we really do have a very simple belief in doing what is right, and helping others in need.

I've been to Normandy. don't you DARE say it is only American graves there. There are British, French, Danish, Dutch and Belgians and others too.

Your uncles were heroes, of that I have no doubt, but they were not the only ones there in the fight.

My grandfather was an anti aircraft gunner in Coventy in 1940, as part of a REME outfit. Later, he was in France, and possibly Italy too.

His brother was at El Alamein.

My Great Uncle was in the British Merchant Navy.

A elderly friend of mine was in the British Royal Navy protecting Merchant supplies on the Artic convoys. Did he get a medal? No. He quielty sips his Guiness, and along with his friend who was in the British 6th Airbourne Division that paracuted in on 6th June, they view America's administration today with disgust, likening Bush to the next Hitler.

The man who was in the British 6th Airbourne Division, who still wears his medals and his red beret on special occasions, when he reflects back on parachuting into Normandy, he will only say "It was quite warm if I remember rightly." in reference to the German counter attacks.

You Americans blowing your own self rightous trumpet of 'The US saved your butts' should show some respect for them, and recognise them, instead of belittling their sacrifices because it was only 'The US saved your butts'.


The Americans helped, but they did not save our 'asses' outright. It was a joint effort between many nations, and to say America did it alone is a gross injustice to allied non-American veterans who fought bravely.

"cam"

Isnt that some sort of car part?

sorry i forgot about spell-critics :D

its meant to be calm.
i missed an L but i am sure that the loss of that letter had no effect on the reading of the scentence

It seems to me thats all you Anti American Europeans have over looked many things. America isnt to where near perfect, and I not saying it is, but the fact is we're the melting pot of the world. It we could be like France, or Germany, who's population generally share the same background it would be far easier to be the way Europe wants us to be. We aren't what Europe wants us to be and we never will be, let us not forget America is the reason we won WWII, and the reason the Soviets didn't take over Europe. Your giving us the crap that we give you. I could argue the Europeans are just as self-centered as Americans. But the fact remains neither are perfect, and you all have had a lot more time to work of perfection then we've had. Your getting sick of wars because you history is filled with them. I mean if there are so many of you that hate us then do something about it, but the problem here is there aren't. Most Europeans, like most Americans like either other, its just the extremist on both sides that don't. But like their American counter parts, The extremist Europeans have their head in the sand, and its like talking to a brick wall. :headbang:


thats why theire are graves in arromanche dedicated to americans, oh and point du hoc and arnehm and dunkirk and so many other places, i mean wow the americans gave jerrry a good beating at sword beach didnt they, and the battle of britain, if those U.S pilots had not done that then the luftwaffe would have sunk the u.s before they got to all 5 beaches.


........well thats my sarcastinc ranting over...
how dare you say that it was amricas effort that won ww2, it was a joint effort and no one should forget that.

Totally irrelevant observation... but: Russosweden - what a concept!... now that would be something a Finn could REALLY hate... sorry. Carry on.

well, you can't expect to critisize America (or any other nation for that matter) and not EXPECT bitterness, defensiveness or even return critisisms. however, instead of focusing on the differences, I would certainly like to hear more about the similarities between different nations.

and while you retire to your cave, I'll go and sleep in my Grass Hut after a hard days surfing. :rolleyes:

tuttle lives in a 7 bedroom house and his dad has 3 cars....not a cave by my standards pal

yea yea the superpower tht is america, flexing its chubby biceps at every chance, but what has america actually brought to the world in terms of new inventions i struggle to think of anything, but maybe im biased can anyone think of anything 'useful' that their fair country has brought ours, afterall we gave them a population....

yea yea the superpower tht is america, flexing its chubby biceps at every chance, but what has america actually brought to the world in terms of new inventions i struggle to think of anything, but maybe im biased can anyone think of anything 'useful' that their fair country has brought ours, afterall we gave them a population....
.....um...steak grillers?..thats al;l i can thin k of at the moment

yea yea the superpower tht is america, flexing its chubby biceps at every chance, but what has america actually brought to the world in terms of new inventions i struggle to think of anything, but maybe im biased can anyone think of anything 'useful' that their fair country has brought ours, afterall we gave them a population....
Oy Vey! :rolleyes:
Probably not. Just like Europe; hasn't come up with anything useful during the last century.

yea yea the superpower tht is america, flexing its chubby biceps at every chance, but what has america actually brought to the world in terms of new inventions i struggle to think of anything, but maybe im biased can anyone think of anything 'useful' that their fair country has brought ours, afterall we gave them a population....

The aeroplane. Kind of useful. Modern industrial manufacturing techniques, also useful. The home computer, I guess you are using one, so useful as well. etc. etc. (I'm European, not American.)

Oy Vey! :rolleyes:
Probably not. Just like Europe; hasn't come up with anything useful during the last century.

the hover craft
the helicopter
the artillerey peice
microwave oven
the tank
..the list continues in the book "global inventions" by A.W harris

the hover craft
the helicopter
the artillerey peice
microwave oven
the tank
..the list continues in the book "global inventions" by A.W harris
You don't say!? How fascinating. I would have never known. So Europe IS vastly superior to USA then. Thanks.

You don't say!? How fascinating. I would have never known. So Europe IS vastly superior to USA then. Thanks.

no. you said that europe has not made any usefull inventions in the past century..there you go

no. you said that europe has not made any usefull inventions in the past century..there you go
Right. I better break this down for you. I was reacting to another post complaining USA has pretty much brought nothing to the world. That's what the -rolleyes- smiley was for. I was just trying to prevent the pissing contest from starting (you know: usa invented this - europe invented this), self-appointed forum fire squad as I am. You can now carry on.

Right. I better break this down for you. I was reacting to another post complaining USA has pretty much brought nothing to the world. That's what the -rolleyes- smiley was for. I was just trying to prevent the pissing contest from starting (you know: usa invented this - europe invented this), self-appointed forum fire squad as I am. You can now carry on.

thankue oh wise one. :headbang:

right anyway whare was i..yes america and europe have made many a usefull invention in the past century..i ask what about the middle east (NOT A BOB KILROY SILK question here) i mean they must have done something i just would like to know what..even though tuttle is going to be madd at me for using his thread in this way and not sticking to the intended topic :D

Don't bang your head like that! I just wasn't sure if you were taking the piss. I'm sure you saw from my location I'm European. :D <--- something I must use more frequently.

Don't bang your head like that! I just wasn't sure if you were taking the piss. I'm sure you saw from my location I'm European. :D <--- something I must use more frequently.

o.k :D

So, Just say I'm an American (19, female, liberal) and I'm going to France for two weeks really soon.

What are the chances that I'll get the shit beat out of me?

So, Just say I'm an American (19, female, liberal) and I'm going to France for two weeks really soon.

What are the chances that I'll get the shit beat out of me?
3 to 1

Edit: oops, forgot the :D

So, Just say I'm an American (19, female, liberal) and I'm going to France for two weeks really soon.

What are the chances that I'll get the shit beat out of me?

none inless you arrive with intention to cause dis-order among the criminal classes

you said you ARE woman AND liberal... that's why I gave 3 to 1. You are american though... :)

none inless you arrive with intention to cause dis-order among the criminal classes
Well... That was my intent... but I do hate getting beat up...

Well... That was my intent... but I do hate getting beat up...

do do i...i manage to avoid it by my hightend sense of self preservation

you said you ARE woman AND liberal... that's why I gave 3 to 1. You are american though... :)
I'm practically Canadian. I live on the border.

the hover craft
the helicopter
the artillerey peice
microwave oven
the tank
..the list continues in the book "global inventions" by A.W harris

I'll give you due to all of those except the helicopter. (I'm originally from Stratford, CT, so Mr. Sikorsky means a lot to us. He had the first successful flight. The helicopter, for all real purposes, is American. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sikorsky

...Though others did dabble, like Ján Bahýľ, their machines were to the modern helicopter as the flintlock is to the modern rifle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter

I'm practically Canadian. I live on the border.
All kidding aside, you are going to have fantastic time... even if you are going to France.

the helicopter was first designed by germany but was rejected as a seriouse project. the americans made what we now know as the hellicopter but the germans invented the original along with the steam bomber

sorry i forgot about spell-critics :D

its meant to be calm.
i missed an L but i am sure that the loss of that letter had no effect on the reading of the scentence

I know, I wasnt even really picking on a typo. Just playing around.

I know, I wasnt even really picking on a typo. Just playing around.
ok

USA don't care about wath europe thinks. and it's sad that when they feel like making war :sniper: we go behind them. when the liberal system makes the poor live like shit we just try to make the same laws :headbang:

USA don't care about wath europe thinks. and it's sad that when they feel like making war :sniper: we go behind them. when the liberal system makes the poor live like shit we just try to make the same laws :headbang:

to be fair europe does not care wht the U.S thinks either..we established this some time ago on a previouse post :)

USA don't care about wath europe thinks. and it's sad that when they feel like making war :sniper: we go behind them. when the liberal system makes the poor live like shit we just try to make the same laws :headbang:You could easily add more smileys to that post. Just change a coupla words.

I cannot believe that supposedly enlightened Europeans make the same mistake that so many American rednecks who have never traveled the world do - that is, to make sweeping generalizations about the people of an entire nation or race. We Americans are diverse. We have some advantages over Europe, and Europe has some advantages over us. Considering the long mutually beneficial alliance between western Europe and the USA, one might expect that the European people would see Americans in a favorable light (and vice-versa), but I see little of that. What I DO see is a lot of stupid generalizations made by people who have little knowledge of the reality that is America. I guess most of these are made by people who are brainwashed by their biased media - which exists everywhere, not just in America.

Agreed, Brentlandistan ! :)

Yes, I kinda like to think of the whole America-European relations situation with this analogy: Two brothers locked in the same house for an extended period of time. Sure, there's times when he get along (namely, wars. kinda ironic.), but most of the time, we're bickering back and forth at each other.

Doesn't that make you feel all warm inside? Let's do a group hug! :fluffle:

So, Just say I'm an American (19, female, liberal) and I'm going to France for two weeks really soon.

What are the chances that I'll get the shit beat out of me?

Almost zero. I think that the France-hating rubish that has been spouted by your government and media of late is pretty disgusting though, but the French won't beat you up. Of course, you could always do what some Americans do and claim to be Canadian when travelling abroad.