NationStates Jolt Archive

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Thoughts?

I have to go for the original SW trilogy. All of the others are also excellent (with exception to Temple of doom, shudder) but Star Wars is the one I sit down and watch at least once a year.

You have missed off the best one:
"The Naked Gun"

I cant bring myself to choose just one, but the top candidates are:

Once Upon a Time in China
Back to the Future
Indiana Jones
Lord of the Rings

You have missed off the best one:
"The Naked Gun"
Good point. I voted for 'Back to the Future' cos it was my favourite film series as a kid, but 'Naked Gun' rocked. Also liked 'Indiana Jones' and 'LotR'.

Die Hard

A word about the Godfather.

The first two are among the best movies ever made. The third one not so much. But, even if Godfather III was up to the standard of the first two, the movies still fail the test as a trilogy (as does Indy, good as it is).

I mean, think about the journey of Michael in the Godfather. Essentially, Part II is a repeat of the Godfather. In Part I, Michael gives up everything he holds dear in an effort to protect everything he holds dear. In Part II, he does exactly the same thing. In Part III, he does exactly the same thing. This is to say that Michael does not develop or change over the course of the movies. It's the same downward arch repeated three times.

LotR. The books are still much much better though.

Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy.

OK, not technically a trilogy, meh, love them though.

I find myself in an odd struggle over whether the original star wars trilogy is better, or LOTR is better...I'm leaning towards LOTR because the original trilogy also carries the burden of the relation to the travesty known as Episode one...

If, Indiana Jones had a middle film that was of equal quality to the films on the ends, then it would certainly win this contest...

And as for the Godfather trilogy, well it's excellent, but not as excellent...so that's why it doesn't get first place....

I'm still torn over the LOTR and Star Wars original trilogy...I'll go with LOTR just because of the somewhat more complex story, the most excellent mingling of CG and real, and the lack of ties to Episode one. So, there's my answer...

Of course you did forget the Jurassic Park trilogy.... :D (j/k)

Star Wras...Not my most favorite movie, but you said a trilogy.

How about Evil Dead? No, I didin't think so.

Just wait. When "Dumber and Dumberest" and "Grandson of Mask" come out, they're going to redefine the very notion of what a trilogy is.

Star wars isn't a trilogy, there are 6 of em'.

Just wait. When "Dumber and Dumberest" and "Grandson of Mask" come out, they're going to redefine the very notion of what a trilogy is.

Those are dumb movies...Get it? ;)

I find myself in an odd struggle over whether the original star wars trilogy is better, or LOTR is better...I'm leaning towards LOTR because the original trilogy also carries the burden of the relation to the travesty known as Episode one...

If, Indiana Jones had a middle film that was of equal quality to the films on the ends, then it would certainly win this contest...

And as for the Godfather trilogy, well it's excellent, but not as excellent...so that's why it doesn't get first place....

I'm still torn over the LOTR and Star Wars original trilogy...I'll go with LOTR just because of the somewhat more complex story, the most excellent mingling of CG and real, and the lack of ties to Episode one. So, there's my answer...

Of course you did forget the Jurassic Park trilogy.... :D (j/k)

I didn't include Jurassic Park because it won't be a trilogy much longer. JPIV is on the way.

I didn't include Jurassic Park because it won't be a trilogy much longer. JPIV is on the way.

They're adding to those horrible movies?

LOTR is by far the best, although I do love SW with all my heart. But I think that the LOTR movies are just better acted, better directed, just better movies on the whole.

They're adding to those horrible movies?

Hey, watch what you say about JP. :mad:

Seriously, though, yes, they're making a fourth one. It's expected to come out next year.

Hey, watch what you say about JP. :mad:

Seriously, though, yes, they're making a fourth one. It's expected to come out next year.

Deff. not seeing it.

Star wars isn't a trilogy, there are 6 of em'.

The ORIGINAL TRILOGY!

The new 3 are the Prequals to the Original trilogy.

I voted Star Wars. I watch them constently.

LOTR wasn't bad...The books were better.

The first Jurassic Park is my favorite movie period. The second one was okay (I really hated the stowaway kid, it seemed so stupid.) The third one was one of the worst movies I have seen in a theatre, I don’t know what was worse, the humans having conversations with raptors or the trademark T-rex that we all know and love getting killed by an 80% fake dinosaur (who was stupid looking at that!) I dont think with a movie like that third one, that it would ever be placed up with great movie trillogies like Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

The first Jurassic Park is my favorite movie period. The second one was okay (I really hated the stowaway kid, it seemed so stupid.) The third one was one of the worst movies I have seen in a theatre, I don’t know what was worse, the humans having conversations with raptors or the trademark T-rex that we all know and love getting killed by an 80% fake dinosaur (who was stupid looking at that!) I dont think with a movie like that third one, that it would ever be placed up with great movie trillogies like Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

All of them were bad.

In addition to a fouth Jurassic Park, there will be four movies
in two of the other trilogies.

Peter Jackson may make "The Hobbit," bringing LOTR to four.

Supposedly, they are looking for a script for a fourth Indy movie, too.

Besides, good start to finish story telling: Star Trek II, III, & IV. (although
weak in the middle, like most other trilogies, "Empire" excluded)

ROCKY
you cannot count the fourth one. it was OBVIOUSLY a practical joke.

I voted for SW. I'm a huge LOTR book fan, but Peter Jackson completely butchered the story with the movies. Faramir alone made me hate the LOTR movies with a passion. :mad:

Aliens Trilogy most prob....

Aliens Trilogy most prob....
Still have to see those.

Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy.

OK, not technically a trilogy, meh, love them though.

That's what I was thinking, too.

How about Evil Dead? No, I didin't think so.

"Hail to the king baby." *blasts drunk commies with a shotgun and cuts off his head with a chainsaw just for the hell of it.* :D

In a few years Spider-Man and X-Men will probably be trilogies too.

I chose the Godfather, only because Im a fan of realism and so LOTR fails that test. I do think the third movie fell short of the impressive mark set by the first two, but since the first two are so amazing I think it manages to stand up. Star Wars I don't count because I think that even though it was a great effort for its time - its still cheesy (sorry SW fans)

Lonesome Dove could have been in there, and Im surprised that no one has yet mentioned the Hannibal trilogy... but thats ok, I know they reflect two styles of films not suited to most tastes. :)

Lonesome Dove could have been in there, and Im surprised that no one has yet mentioned the Hannibal trilogy... but thats ok, I know they reflect two styles of films not suited to most tastes. :)

Forgot Lonesome Dove...as for the Hannibal trilogy I think it is harder to think of it as a trilogy because Red Dragon was made as a movie last (unless you count Manhunter as a part of the 'trilogy').

All of them were bad.

Heretic! :mad:

(J/k! :D)

IStar Wars I don't count because I think that even though it was a great effort for its time - its still cheesy (sorry SW fans)

Star Wars cheesey?

*grabs his lightsaber and strikes down Lascivious Maximus*

I chose the Godfather, only because Im a fan of realism and so LOTR fails that test. I do think the third movie fell short of the impressive mark set by the first two, but since the first two are so amazing I think it manages to stand up. Star Wars I don't count because I think that even though it was a great effort for its time - its still cheesy (sorry SW fans)

Lonesome Dove could have been in there, and Im surprised that no one has yet mentioned the Hannibal trilogy... but thats ok, I know they reflect two styles of films not suited to most tastes. :)
realism?? nothing is more real than Rocky Balboa getting punched 4 trillion times in the head by that HUGE russian, and then rallying back to kick his commie ass!!!!!!!! i would have said the Hannibal movies, but i liked the books way better.

Forgot Lonesome Dove...as for the Hannibal trilogy I think it is harder to think of it as a trilogy because Red Dragon was made as a movie last (unless you count Manhunter as a part of the 'trilogy').
I do, even though the final instalment (Red Dragon) was a fair replacement since it used actors/actresses that helped with continuity. (I despise when they make sequels/prequels and change the cast!! Grr!!)

Still, I think you could really use either, lots of Trilogies use prequels, sometimes I think its a more interesting way of telling the story. :)

realism?? nothing is more real than Rocky Balboa getting punched 4 trillion times in the head by that HUGE russian, and then rallying back to kick his commie ass!!!!!!!! i would have said the Hannibal movies, but i liked the books way better.
Haha, while I can admit that they were entertaining - the movies held no more artistic or mental stimulant value than tickets to a boxing match. Pretty cheesy too. I liked them, a lot, but in the same way that I enjoyed Star Wars - a good popcorn movie, but thats it. :)

Oh, and yes - the books are far better, but the movies are still good and a fair adaptation as far as that goes. ;)

I do, even though the final instalment (Red Dragon) was a fair replacement since it used actors/actresses that helped with continuity. (I despise when they make sequels/prequels and change a the cast!! Grr!!)

Still, I think you could really use either, lots of Trilogies use prequels, sometimes I think its a more interesting way of telling the story. :)

Not sure which movie your grring at there. Unless I'm wrong Manhunter came first didn't it? Then Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal, and Red Dragon.

Well, although the first one was 'good' rather than great, I am of the opinion that the Matrix Trilogy could quite possibly be the best Trilogy... vying with The Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

If it wasn't for such a weak middle episode, I might have suggested The Crow Trilogy.

I am surprised to see so many people so fond of Star Wars... it always struck me as somewhat uninspiring... and they somehow managed to continue that downward trend with the new 'series' of films.

Well, although the first one was 'good' rather than great, I am of the opinion that the Matrix Trilogy could quite possibly be the best Trilogy... vying with The Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

If it wasn't for such a weak middle episode, I might have suggested The Crow Trilogy.

I am surprised to see so many people so fond of Star Wars... it always struck me as somewhat uninspiring... and they somehow managed to continue that downward trend with the new 'series' of films.
Agreed across the board :-D

Not sure which movie your grring at there. Unless I'm wrong Manhunter came first didn't it? Then Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal, and Red Dragon.
Well, Manhunter and Red Dragon are essentially the same movie, Manhunter was the first adaptation inspired by the books, but a smaller budget production that caught fairly big fanfare. Enough to inspire the further large scale production that brought us 'Silence of the Lambs' and eventually 'Hannibal', later on a choice was made to remake the original adaptation in an effort to upscale the continuity - I think it was a valid effort. Though the team that brought us the original 'Manhunter' deserves a lot of credit for recognizing the value of this story. :)

(oh, and the 'Grr' was generic, and not really in reference to this trilogy in particular, just stating a peeve of mine. It doesn't really apply here, since the talent was far superior with the introduction of Fonda, Hopkins etc. It just thought it was a good thing that they remade the first one for the sake of continuity)

Not sure which movie your grring at there. Unless I'm wrong Manhunter came first didn't it? Then Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal, and Red Dragon.

That's order they came out in, but I think they fit chronologically like Manhunter, Red Dragon, Silence of the Lambs, then Hannibal, but I could be wrong as I didn't read the books or anything.

As for X-men, they have already started writing the third script and filming should be expected in the next few months, probably end of the summer or something. I'm not sure about Spiderman, as far as when they are starting part three, but it's obvious they are going to because it has been a huge hit, both of them, though I did like the first one more than the second one, but as far as I am concerned they are sweet films :).

Anywho.

Sergio Leon's Nameless man trilogy

Sinnui Yauman (aka Chinese Ghost Story)

(Heiligkeit, Hollywood adds to alot of horrible series... :()

That's order they came out in, but I think they fit chronologically like Manhunter, Red Dragon, Silence of the Lambs, then Hannibal, but I could be wrong as I didn't read the books or anything.

As for X-men, they have already started writing the third script and filming should be expected in the next few months, probably end of the summer or something. I'm not sure about Spiderman, as far as when they are starting part three, but it's obvious they are going to because it has been a huge hit, both of them, though I did like the first one more than the second one, but as far as I am concerned they are sweet films :).

Anywho.

As LM pointed out, Manhunter and Red Dragon are essentially, the same movie... both taken from the same book.

Red Dragon is just the 'Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal' remake.

lol

Die Hard.

Oh, and I wouldnt have even mentioned 'The Matrix' ... there are holes in that trilogies continuity and artistic value that you could drive a bus through! Haha!

I seen 'The Crow' was mentioned too, the first movie was great, the movies that came after were an effort to franchise on the memory of Lee. I don't really like it when a movies has a definitive commencment and closure, and then filler is added after to try and build on the success of the former. It was a good movie, they should have left it alone. The latter movies sort of discredit the artistic efforts made in the first sadly.

The Matrix! :cool:

:sniper: this is what I say to people who don't like Star Wars :sniper:

Oh, and I wouldnt have even mentioned 'The Matrix' ... there are holes in that trilogies continuity and artistic value that you could drive a bus through! Haha!

I seen 'The Crow' was mentioned too, the first movie was great, the movies that came after were an effort to franchise on the memory of Lee. I don't really like it when a movies has a definitive commencment and closure, and then filler is added after to try and build on the success of the former. It was a good movie, they should have left it alone. The latter movies sort of discredit the artistic efforts made in the first sadly.

For me - the Matrix is one of the best examples of an artistic vision, translating to film... certainly in terms of trilogies... although, obviously, something like "Hero" blows any single one of the Matrix movies clear out of the water.

The first Crow movie WAS great... and the third was good, if not Brandon quality... it was basically the second that hurt the set, despite Iggy Pop being great, and Vincent Perez being good. It was too soon after Lee's death, and so the viewers were too unforgiving...

If "The Crow:City of Angels" had been the FIRST one in the Trilogy, it would have been fine.

The Matrix! :cool:
First one was awesome, second one was alright, the third one was crap.

How about Evil Dead? No, I didin't think so.
:headbang: I think so and also Romeros Dead Tri,Night,Dawn and Day! Classics!

:headbang: I think so and also Romeros Dead Tri,Night,Dawn and Day! Classics!

Romero's was great! Evil dead was ok. (1 meh, 2 ?, 3 :))

I'd say Kill bill if it was a trilogy.

For me - the Matrix is one of the best examples of an artistic vision, translating to film... certainly in terms of trilogies... although, obviously, something like "Hero" blows any single one of the Matrix movies clear out of the water.

The first Crow movie WAS great... and the third was good, if not Brandon quality... it was basically the second that hurt the set, despite Iggy Pop being great, and Vincent Perez being good. It was too soon after Lee's death, and so the viewers were too unforgiving...

If "The Crow:City of Angels" had been the FIRST one in the Trilogy, it would have been fine.
Well, I admit, when it comes to 'The Matrix' Im jaded - as Im a fan of realism more than Sci-Fi. I just thought that after the first movie they could have toned down the Keannu 'Whoa!' factor. Its ok to push the envelope, just dont push too far. Cinematographically I thought the movies excelled, it was the artistic vision underneath that I thought was lacking - it was a great concept, and well executed, but aside from making bold statements about technology and its effect on man - I didnt take a very life altering metaphysical value away from it. Like I said though, Im a little jaded, and as such tougher on Sci-Fi films.

While I agree that Iggy and Perez did well in the second movie installment of 'The Crow', I felt that the movie would have been better suited as a standalone single movie. There was no need to beat it down with further sequels, the story had been told. Im not saying that the following films didnt have entertainment value, they were fine to watch - but really that was all they offered for me.

Matrix: 1 was watchable, but not enough for me to have seen the others.
Crow: WTF???? 1 was a mishmash that they tried to put together after the star was killed. I didn't even know they tried to make more. That's just sad (And I don't mean in a ooh bad, evil company way. Just in a sad way. :()

Crow: WTF???? 1 was a mishmash that they tried to put together after the star was killed. I didn't even know they tried to make more. That's just sad (And I don't mean in a ooh bad, evil company way. Just in a sad way. :()
There wasnt a lot of content in the movie made without Brandon, just a few scenes. Most of the movie had been completed by the time the unfortunate 'accident' occured. I agree that it was sad though, to make more movies after that. :(

Haha, while I can admit that they were entertaining - the movies held no more artistic or mental stimulant value than tickets to a boxing match. Pretty cheesy too. I liked them, a lot, but in the same way that I enjoyed Star Wars - a good popcorn movie, but thats it. :)

Oh, and yes - the books are far better, but the movies are still good and a fair adaptation as far as that goes. ;)
see, i view all movies as entertainment. so thats why i voted for the most valuable in that category. but how could you eat popcorn, lasc, as the italian stallion was training so hard in the ghetto with apollo creed?

Please. The Crow? Yeah. While we're naming serial turkeys, let's not forget Highlander. Oooh. Ooh, how about the Police Academies, or Batteries Not Included 2? (I know it's not a trilogy, but it was planned as one.)

see, i view all movies as entertainment. so thats why i voted for the most valuable in that category. but how could you eat popcorn, lasc, as the italian stallion was training so hard in the ghetto with apollo creed?
...with butter and theatre spice of course! After making it stove-top style and in coconut oil!! Mmmm!!! :D

Please. The Crow? Yeah. While we're naming serial turkeys, let's not forget Highlander. Oooh. Ooh, how about the Police Academies, or Batteries Not Included 2? (I know it's not a trilogy, but it was planned as one.)
The first movie did have artistic value, it was the rest that ruined it - I dont see how it should be included with the likes of movies listed here!!

The first movie did have artistic value, it was the rest that ruined it - I dont see how it should be included with the likes of movies listed here!!

Don't get me wrong. I liked the first one just fine. But I saw the others on tv and, swear to christ, I thought they were made-for-cable features.

There are two types of people in this world, Blondie.

Those who vote for the Dollars triology, and fools.

As for the ones listed in the poll:
Star Wars isn't a trilogy, no matter how you try and twist it. It was intended to be longer from the start.
Indiana Jones - the first two were good, but the Last Crusade was weak.
# 4 is in the works: http://imdb.com/title/tt0367882/
Lord of the Rings: hmmm I actruyally haven't seen all three yet
The Godfather: 1 & 2 good, 3 bad
Back to the Future: 1 & 2 good, 3 bad

And of other mentions:

Die Hard: Die Hard 4.0 Die Hardest is also in the works: http://imdb.com/title/tt0337978/
X-men is headed towards the same Hollywood blockbuster sequal mill.
Alien is upto 4 movies...

Star Wars is 2 trilogies; The orginial Trilogy and the Prequal Trilogy.

Star Wars is a trilogy :sniper:

LOTR (book) was never meant to be a trilogy, and even when you watch all therr movies in a row they flow like a single movie because PJ (is my G-d) understood this.

Also, I'm poking the sleeping dragon: What about the Harry Potter Movies? There are three of them (granted they're filming the fourth right now).

Die Hard: Die Hard 4.0 Die Hardest is also in the works: http://imdb.com/title/tt0337978/


Die Hard 4?!? My life just got that tiny little bit better :D

The Terminator and Alien (as it once stood) series were a good watch. Don't forget Rambo for an amazing amount mindless violence put into a supprisingly decent movie.


It's wierd, but most of the 'old' trillogies have since been expanded upon and it kind of puts in to questions what they are anymore.

What about the Evil Dead?
Tsar Wingert I.

I voted for SW. I'm a huge LOTR book fan, but Peter Jackson completely butchered the story with the movies. Faramir alone made me hate the LOTR movies with a passion. :mad:
*gives olwe the look*

lotr is the best trilogy ever made. its a triumph of cinema. he made the unmakeable movies.

you must not watch many movies that started out as books. lotr is as faithful as it could possibly be and still get made.

it could have been another "wizard of oz" for gods sake.

*gives olwe the look*

lotr is the best trilogy ever made. its a triumph of cinema. he made the unmakeable movies.

you must not watch many movies that started out as books. lotr is as faithful as it could possibly be and still get made.

it could have been another "wizard of oz" for gods sake.
Aye, there are many very very good adaptations. Of course none of them can be as good as the book, but I still think they have value. The Last of the Mohicans, Shawshank Redemption, Pride and Predjudice, Les Miserables, Of Mice and Men ... all great adaptations. Of course there are those that fall shy of the mark too; Great Expectations, White Fang, The Scarlet Letter... and so on. Some movies just can't be made from books without losing some of the critical information, and as such should be left alone for preservation of intent if nothing else. I think LOTR was a well made effort, and I beleive that it is as true to the books as it could have been. :)

Damn...between Indiana and Star Wars, I can't decide. I haven't seen the others. SW has a slight edge because ToD scared the crap out of me.

LOTR
SW
IJ
Muppets movies.

. Some movies just can't be made from books without losing some of the critical information, and as such should be left alone for preservation of intent if nothing else. I think LOTR was a well made effort, and I beleive that it is as true to the books as it could have been. :)
Some like little women are just torture to watch.

Well it would be the Godfather if the third movie hadn't sucked. The first two were so amazing.

I voted other, for the Matrix.

The Matrix of course come on..dont you like Slo-Mo? :sniper:

There wasnt a lot of content in the movie made without Brandon, just a few scenes. Most of the movie had been completed by the time the unfortunate 'accident' occured. I agree that it was sad though, to make more movies after that. :(

I believe most of the excess 'Brandon' material ended up on the cutting room floor, like the Skull Cowboy material... a character they (in the end) entirely excised.

They left one of two moments in without Brandon, both distance shots of a running Crow, I understand, which they updated digitally.

Since I can't even tell for sure which scenes those are (although one of them must be the viewd-from-below-jump), it shows they didn't have to do too much to finish the film.

Indeed - the movie was practically canned BEFORE the incident... what they couldn't fix they cut... it doesn't seem to have made much of a difference to the finished product.

Regarding the other two movies (so far - Wicked Prayer isn't yet sceduled even for a DVD release in the USA, as far as I know)... both are based on the original comic material, as was the first.

It is a mistake to assume they were trying to cash in on Brandon Lee - the material was already in existence, and it was ALWAYS part of the concept that there was more than one 'Crow'.

But - of course, neither of the remaining movies came close to the majesty of the first... although Mabius' Crow in "Salvation" is much nearer to the original vision than the "City of Angels" Crow...

I retract my vote. I enjoy National Lampoon's Vacation movies more than star wars as for trilogy movies. I haven't watched all the Lord of the Rings yet.

Aye, there are many very very good adaptations. Of course none of them can be as good as the book, but I still think they have value. The Last of the Mohicans, Shawshank Redemption, Pride and Predjudice, Les Miserables, Of Mice and Men ... all great adaptations. Of course there are those that fall shy of the mark too; Great Expectations, White Fang, The Scarlet Letter... and so on. Some movies just can't be made from books without losing some of the critical information, and as such should be left alone for preservation of intent if nothing else. I think LOTR was a well made effort, and I beleive that it is as true to the books as it could have been. :)

And, of course, "Interview with the Vampire"... the one case I can think of, where the movie was FAR BETTER than the book... which is weird, because Anne Rice's writing is much improved in works like "Ramses"...

For me - the Matrix is one of the best examples of an artistic vision, translating to film... certainly in terms of trilogies... although, obviously, something like "Hero" blows any single one of the Matrix movies clear out of the water.

The first Crow movie WAS great... and the third was good, if not Brandon quality... it was basically the second that hurt the set, despite Iggy Pop being great, and Vincent Perez being good. It was too soon after Lee's death, and so the viewers were too unforgiving...

If "The Crow:City of Angels" had been the FIRST one in the Trilogy, it would have been fine.

I never saw The Crow, any of them, mostly because none of them really interested me, so I won't say anything about them lol.

As far as Matrix, first one was genius, second one actually made me stand up and protest, that stupid 'made for TV' movie ending was so disgusting and disheartening that I didn't go see part three in the theatres, I just borrowed it from a friend. The third one didn't impress me either, it was almost like an anticlimax as far as Neo's character was concerned, he goes from fighting hundreds of Agent Smith's, to battling one while the others watch, and the battle was like some sort of lame attempt to take Dragonball Z and mesh it with the real world, it was bad, but that mech battle was FREAKIN awesome. Best part of the whole film aside from that stupid idiot kid that had to spout out his stupid "Neo, I believe" line, corny corny cliched retarded stuff there, but the rest of the battle, rocks, my opinion, that commander guy who gets all messed up is the best character in the film. But that's me.

Hero was another such case where I stood up and protested. I was expecting something far from what I got. The fight scenes were good, no doubt there, choreography was excellent and there was a definite plot that I liked, but the execution was wretched. There just wasn't anything there to excite me. Too quiet for my tastes, the whole scene where he's telling the story to the emperor and stuff, just really bored me to death. But there was some good to it, definitely. Just lacked too much in areas that really needed to entertain.

Mind you this all my opinion, I think the films were lacking, that's just me speaking, you liked them, cool. Besides I am an SW fan and most SW fans are getting very angry with Mr. Lucas at this point because he's making a valiant effort to butcher the beauty of SW. Grr, if #3 is not one of those "holy crap that film was totally awesome and it blew me away) films, I'll puke in the theatre. Grrr.
Sorry..lol I haven't seen any really good films lately, especially from horror films, oi...

Anywho.

Star Wars is 2 trilogies; The orginial Trilogy and the Prequal Trilogy.

Star Wars is a trilogy :sniper:

Exactly. Though some may say "they are connected". True and not true. The prequels lead up to the original, but there is a huge span of time that exists between #3 and #4, a lot happens that we don't see. It's two disconnected trilogies really.

Cheech and Chong: Up in Smoke
Cheech and Chong: Still Smokin'
Cheech and Chong: Get Out of My Room

Aliens is a trilogy, well ok there are four films in the series, but really the forth was not as good as the previous three, so many fans/people just say there are three Aliens movies. :D

I think they are also filming an Aliens 5...

Aliens is a trilogy, well ok there are four films in the series, but really the forth was not as good as the previous three, so many fans/people just say there are three Aliens movies. :D

I think they are also filming an Aliens 5...
Two things:

Alien 3 was awful
Alien 5 is dying a slow death in development hell.

That is all

Simple answer.

THE MATRIX

Two and Three... meh... but as a whole, still the best of all time.

Cheech and Chong: Up in Smoke
Cheech and Chong: Still Smokin'
Cheech and Chong: Get Out of My Room
Kind of before my time but im gonna buy them because ive been told they are funny.
*nods head*

Herbie goes Banana's if its a trilogy.
*nods head*

Um.....why is there any question about this at all? It's obviously Star Wars. Geez..

I'm Italian, so I really am obliged to say [i]The Godfather[i] trilogy, even though it's probably not the best set of three movies.

There are two types of people in this world, Blondie.

Those who vote for the Dollars triology, and fools.

Agreed. A masterclass in film making, highly atmospheric, excellent acting and a sense of forboding, with an excellent musical score.

Unsurpassed.

Two things:

Alien 3 was awful
Alien 5 is dying a slow death in development hell.

That is all

Curious. I thought Alien 4 was pretty horrendous... I mean, how often do you get to say that Wynona Ryder was the HIGHPOINT of a movie?

And, I dislike Aliens - because it took the excellent premise of the first (the horror element, that just ONE of these evil buggers spells a whole load of trouble), and totally threw it out of the window, giving preference to a war movie, instead... just a war movie with aliens.

Obviously, the first Alien was awesome - if for no other reason that how different it was to any contemporary... and for arguably being the first (and maybe STILL, the only(?)) serious sci-fi horror.

But, I seem to be in a minority... I actually loved Alien 3. I loved the depth of character work, and I loved the use of pallette, and of light and shade. I'm not sure WHY it is so universally reviled... I'd possibly go so far as to call it the best of the series.

Regarding Alien 5... you'd have thought it would have to be Alien 6... since the AVP movie...

You have missed off the best one:
"The Naked Gun"
That is an excellent trilogy. Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are definetly the best though. I voted for LOTR though. Partially becuase I liked the books so much.

Indiana Jones...Why? Cuz Last Crusade had the best bad dude of all 3....Plus I liked it better.

P.S.
#'s 2 and 3 for me are The Mighty Ducks, and Back to the Future.

Curious. I thought Alien 4 was pretty horrendous... I mean, how often do you get to say that Wynona Ryder was the HIGHPOINT of a movie?

And, I dislike Aliens - because it took the excellent premise of the first (the horror element, that just ONE of these evil buggers spells a whole load of trouble), and totally threw it out of the window, giving preference to a war movie, instead... just a war movie with aliens.

Obviously, the first Alien was awesome - if for no other reason that how different it was to any contemporary... and for arguably being the first (and maybe STILL, the only(?)) serious sci-fi horror.

But, I seem to be in a minority... I actually loved Alien 3. I loved the depth of character work, and I loved the use of pallette, and of light and shade. I'm not sure WHY it is so universally reviled... I'd possibly go so far as to call it the best of the series.

Regarding Alien 5... you'd have thought it would have to be Alien 6... since the AVP movie...

AVP doesn't count as a movie, it counts as a tragedy for the Scifi/Horror genre, god what a waste of 9 bucks that was.

I personally like Aliens 2 (or just Aliens as it is called more, but that's probably because I like that war type stuff, though Alien 1 is still really awesome. My only beef with #3 (which I didn't see til years and years after the first two), was that Ripley was the only continued character besides a brief interlude with Bishop, and that is a very brief scene. The little girl was killed, Bishop pretty much dead, he could be repaired, but she was on a prison planet for heavens sake lol. It sort of took all the meaning out of the first one. Newt is dead, so it makes all the effort she made to safe the little girl seem pointless. She went through all that hardship saving the girl from Aliens only to have her die in the crash landing, or however she died. Though we do get a glimpse of who I assume Bishop was modeled after, which was pretty neat.
AVP hurt my head too much. Everything from the typical cliche hollywood ending (alien popping out of the predator's chest) as well as a complete lack of any back story to really tell us where we are. There was plenty of Predator/Alien lore, but I couldn't if Alien 1-3 or 4 had even happened yet. Then the actor who plays Bishop playing someone who isn't Bishop, I wasn't sure if that was the guy that was modeled after Bishop, if that is so then Alien 3 already happened because he dies in AVP. It was just a jumbled mess that failed to bring the two story lines together. Just too many issues for me and somebody needs to take away Hollywoods hands from horror movies because they are butchering them. AVP might have been half decent without that really horribly lame cliche ending with the alien popping out. Just lame as hell.
Alien 4, it was sort of a half half film for me. I liked the new elements, I liked that you get to see more of how the aliens actually work and what not. That was neat, it was still a stupid film. You think about it, a facility breeding these Aliens that is not even remotely capable of protecting itself when something goes wrong is either really poor thinking of the people who work there, or just bad writing, or both, lol. I mean come on, if I was running a facility breeding a species i knew would kill me no matter what I did, I'd sure as hell keep an armed guard of at least ten times the alien number at all times and give them no reason to hesitate when something goes wrong. But that's me, and I would rather be safe than sorry.
Why are they doing an Aliens 5? Why? Please tell me why Hollywood has to continue to butcher the classics? Why? Like Jurassic Park, there wasn't even a book for #3, the composer wasn't John Williams, it was some doofus who took the original themes, put little trills and frilly happy crap on the music and copied and pasted it onto the movie. It was a horrible stupid film regardless of the cool effects and creatures. Talking to the stupid Raptors, lame, just lame lame lame. I would have respected it a lot more if it had been written by Crichton first then made into a film, but no didn't work that way.

Anywho, obviously I have some issues with Hollywood right now lol. Maybe if they come up with some good films that don't turn everything into crap...maybe...if only...

AVP doesn't count as a movie, it counts as a tragedy for the Scifi/Horror genre, god what a waste of 9 bucks that was.

I personally like Aliens 2 (or just Aliens as it is called more, but that's probably because I like that war type stuff, though Alien 1 is still really awesome. My only beef with #3 (which I didn't see til years and years after the first two), was that Ripley was the only continued character besides a brief interlude with Bishop, and that is a very brief scene. The little girl was killed, Bishop pretty much dead, he could be repaired, but she was on a prison planet for heavens sake lol. It sort of took all the meaning out of the first one. Newt is dead, so it makes all the effort she made to safe the little girl seem pointless. She went through all that hardship saving the girl from Aliens only to have her die in the crash landing, or however she died. Though we do get a glimpse of who I assume Bishop was modeled after, which was pretty neat.


For me - the fact that Newt didn't survive was perfect... the death of the only two remaining characters DID make "Aliens" ultimately futile.. but I thought that was what the Alien franchise was supposed to do. The Aliens are SUPPOSED to always kill everything, except by real fluke... and Ripley got off way too light in Aliens.



AVP hurt my head too much. Everything from the typical cliche hollywood ending (alien popping out of the predator's chest) as well as a complete lack of any back story to really tell us where we are. There was plenty of Predator/Alien lore, but I couldn't if Alien 1-3 or 4 had even happened yet. Then the actor who plays Bishop playing someone who isn't Bishop, I wasn't sure if that was the guy that was modeled after Bishop, if that is so then Alien 3 already happened because he dies in AVP. It was just a jumbled mess that failed to bring the two story lines together. Just too many issues for me and somebody needs to take away Hollywoods hands from horror movies because they are butchering them. AVP might have been half decent without that really horribly lame cliche ending with the alien popping out. Just lame as hell.


The cliche was there for the same reason it always is... to promote the possibility of a franchise... but ALSO, it is a reference to the comic books, with the existence of "Predaliens". Of course - why the Predators didn't think to check the body, I can't explain..

AVP is supposed to be set LONG before the Alien franchise - the Lance Henrickson character is the original, that all the Bishop android types, are based on.

His character never actually turns up in AVP... it's yet another company lie... that is ALSO an android.


Alien 4, it was sort of a half half film for me. I liked the new elements, I liked that you get to see more of how the aliens actually work and what not. That was neat, it was still a stupid film. You think about it, a facility breeding these Aliens that is not even remotely capable of protecting itself when something goes wrong is either really poor thinking of the people who work there, or just bad writing, or both, lol. I mean come on, if I was running a facility breeding a species i knew would kill me no matter what I did, I'd sure as hell keep an armed guard of at least ten times the alien number at all times and give them no reason to hesitate when something goes wrong. But that's me, and I would rather be safe than sorry.


Yes - Alien 4 suffered from what I call "Endor Syndrome".

Seriously - if you were building a planet-destroying spacecraft, that had only ONE weakness, which was it's sheild generator... would you REALLY put THAT generator outside the shield? Would you put it on an INHABITED moon? Would you ONLY put 2 guards on the generator building?

"Endor Syndrome" - the inexplicable dimness of movie badguys, for no reason other than to give the good-guys a way in.


Why are they doing an Aliens 5? Why? Please tell me why Hollywood has to continue to butcher the classics? Why? Like Jurassic Park, there wasn't even a book for #3, the composer wasn't John Williams, it was some doofus who took the original themes, put little trills and frilly happy crap on the music and copied and pasted it onto the movie. It was a horrible stupid film regardless of the cool effects and creatures. Talking to the stupid Raptors, lame, just lame lame lame. I would have respected it a lot more if it had been written by Crichton first then made into a film, but no didn't work that way.

Anywho, obviously I have some issues with Hollywood right now lol. Maybe if they come up with some good films that don't turn everything into crap...maybe...if only...

I gave up after Jurassic Park, to be honest. When a small child is fried alive on an electric fence... then brought back with CPR.... I lack sufficient suspension of disbelief... and HOW did a T. Rex get INSIDE the visitor centre... the ONLY doors it could have come through, are the (still intact) glass main doors, that we already know are locked.... what did it do? Pick the lock? Then lock it again, behind it?

Star wars isn't a trilogy, there are 6 of em'.


actually nine were written when george lucas went to go make the movies. he was going to make episode one first (being that it would be logical to start there), but it was going to cost more so he went with the cheapest option which was episode 4 A New Hope

so three star wars trilogies have effectively been written, but only 5 (6 counting Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith) have been made into movies thus far.

I am fully aware of the fact that not only is it not a trilogy, and there are more than 3 of them, but I'm STILL going to say the Python films!!!

actually nine were written when george lucas went to go make the movies. he was going to make episode one first (being that it would be logical to start there), but it was going to cost more so he went with the cheapest option which was episode 4 A New Hope

so three star wars trilogies have effectively been written, but only 5 (6 counting Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith) have been made into movies thus far.

Huh? He's on record stating he started writing 4-6 knowing very minimal about the beginnings of the whole story. He decided at that point to go back and write out the history to figure out where they all came from. He only actually wrote indepth 4-6, which at the time was actually one big movie, and gave himself histories for the previous three, but he never actually wrote 9 different films. He wrote three screen plays, set all the other information aside, and eventually he came back. He wasn't even considering doing the prequels first, in fact he wasn't even sure that number 4 would allow me to do 5 and 6, because space opera's and scifi films at that time were not at all as big as they are today, as far as aceptance goes, there was always a following, but never the recognition it gets these days.

Anywho.

P.S.: editing this to add that if you watch the documentary on the making of star wars on the DVD set, all this is talked about, which is why somebody like me knows about it :S...I need a life lol

AVP is supposed to be set LONG before the Alien franchise - the Lance Henrickson character is the original, that all the Bishop android types, are based on.

His character never actually turns up in AVP... it's yet another company lie... that is ALSO an android.

Yes - Alien 4 suffered from what I call "Endor Syndrome".

Seriously - if you were building a planet-destroying spacecraft, that had only ONE weakness, which was it's sheild generator... would you REALLY put THAT generator outside the shield? Would you put it on an INHABITED moon? Would you ONLY put 2 guards on the generator building?

"Endor Syndrome" - the inexplicable dimness of movie badguys, for no reason other than to give the good-guys a way in.

I gave up after Jurassic Park, to be honest. When a small child is fried alive on an electric fence... then brought back with CPR.... I lack sufficient suspension of disbelief... and HOW did a T. Rex get INSIDE the visitor centre... the ONLY doors it could have come through, are the (still intact) glass main doors, that we already know are locked.... what did it do? Pick the lock? Then lock it again, behind it?

You know, I read the book a long time ago and I'd have to look agai nto see if it gives a hint why. I think it is either supposed to be one of those situations where you just don't question it, or one in which you are supposed to wonder why, either way that is a good point. As far as the electricution/CPR thing, it's believable, I've seen things like that happen (not like in real life, but on those rescue shows and the news and I'm sure my friend who is an EMT has seem similar things). It all depends how much transfers through your body really. Think about it, people surive from getting struck by lightning, why not a kid who gets shocked by an electric fence *shrugs*
And damn hollywood and their stupid attempts to make franchises, like all the times they ruined Jason and Freddy, GRRRRR, I hate hollywood, it's gone too far!
So he's an android in AVP? Well that's something they sure as hell don't explain. Thanks Hollywood. Alien 1 and Aliens 2 I understood, it all made sense, Alien 3 while I didn't like it made sense, Aliens 4 (resurrection right?) I sort of understood and it was okay I guess, it had it's moments, AVP totally threw everything out of proportion for me. If he's an android why does he get sick in the film? You'd think as an android he'd fix himself...confusion and lostedness...

You know, I read the book a long time ago and I'd have to look agai nto see if it gives a hint why. I think it is either supposed to be one of those situations where you just don't question it, or one in which you are supposed to wonder why, either way that is a good point. As far as the electricution/CPR thing, it's believable, I've seen things like that happen (not like in real life, but on those rescue shows and the news and I'm sure my friend who is an EMT has seem similar things). It all depends how much transfers through your body really. Think about it, people surive from getting struck by lightning, why not a kid who gets shocked by an electric fence *shrugs*
And damn hollywood and their stupid attempts to make franchises, like all the times they ruined Jason and Freddy, GRRRRR, I hate hollywood, it's gone too far!
So he's an android in AVP? Well that's something they sure as hell don't explain. Thanks Hollywood. Alien 1 and Aliens 2 I understood, it all made sense, Alien 3 while I didn't like it made sense, Aliens 4 (resurrection right?) I sort of understood and it was okay I guess, it had it's moments, AVP totally threw everything out of proportion for me. If he's an android why does he get sick in the film? You'd think as an android he'd fix himself...confusion and lostedness...

Either I need to reword it, or you just got confused.... the Lance Henrickson character in AVP is HUMAN - and is the HUMAN that all of the Bishop-type ANDROIDS are based on.

Bishop was (obviously) an Android in Aliens... and the 'guy' who turns up at the end of Alien 3 is ALSO an Android... but the COMPANY is pretending he is HUMAN. Ripley doesn't know that the human template for Bishop died long before... so the company tries to lure her with him... but they are using an Android.

AVP is set (roughly) in our current time period, Alien sometime in the near future.

Regarding the boy on the fence in Jurassic Park... the fence is supposed to be able to stop a T. Rex. So - the child would pretty much have been 'cooked'... we aren't talking normal 'electric fence' here, like they use for controlling cattle... a better parallel would be the power-lines that run on pylons... or the third-rail for electric trains. It is very unlikely that CPR would have any effect on a victim of such a shock... since the problem isn't that their heart has stopped... but more that their 'meat' has been 'cooked'.

I said The Godfather. I wish Gone With the Wind would have been a trilogy - that was a great and memorable movie - the sequel sucked, though. Charles Bronson's Death Wish movies were great, too, but there were five movies.

Lord of the Rings over Star Wars?! LORD OF THE RINGS OVER STAR WARS???!!!! WHAT?!

Lord of the Rings over Star Wars?! LORD OF THE RINGS OVER STAR WARS???!!!! WHAT?!

I'd personally take LOTR over Star Wars, although both are great trilogies (well, at least the original trilogy is).

LOTR:

FOTR-10/10
TTT-9/10
ROTK-10/10

Star Wars:

ANH-9.5/10
ESB-9.5/10
ROTJ-9/10

Still quite close.

I said The Godfather. I wish Gone With the Wind would have been a trilogy - that was a great and memorable movie - the sequel sucked, though. Charles Bronson's Death Wish movies were great, too, but there were five movies.


That Death Wish movie where they started a small war in Brooklyn kicked total ass.

Either I need to reword it, or you just got confused.... the Lance Henrickson character in AVP is HUMAN - and is the HUMAN that all of the Bishop-type ANDROIDS are based on.

Bishop was (obviously) an Android in Aliens... and the 'guy' who turns up at the end of Alien 3 is ALSO an Android... but the COMPANY is pretending he is HUMAN. Ripley doesn't know that the human template for Bishop died long before... so the company tries to lure her with him... but they are using an Android.

AVP is set (roughly) in our current time period, Alien sometime in the near future.

Regarding the boy on the fence in Jurassic Park... the fence is supposed to be able to stop a T. Rex. So - the child would pretty much have been 'cooked'... we aren't talking normal 'electric fence' here, like they use for controlling cattle... a better parallel would be the power-lines that run on pylons... or the third-rail for electric trains. It is very unlikely that CPR would have any effect on a victim of such a shock... since the problem isn't that their heart has stopped... but more that their 'meat' has been 'cooked'.

Oh oh oh, okay, so the guy in AVP is the original, okay. Gotcha, I know the guy in 3 was also an android, doesn't he get shot or hit or something? I don't remember, only saw 3 like twice. Meh, AVP still is confusing and weird, you'd think that maybe the "predaliens" as you referred to them would have shown up a lot more during the actual Alien series, meh. Oh well, I just saw it as a stupid hollywood sham at the end, would have worked a lot better if it had happened earlier or they had left it completely open and you didn't know about it at all, that would have been better.
As far as the electricity, the fence is designed to deterr the T-Rex, not stop it. Just like electric fences around cattle, which aren't designed to kill the cow if it touches the fence, but it does shock that cow enough to make it stay away from the fence. The same here with the T-Rex, obviously a lot more volts though. A lightning bolt has about 10-120 million volts of electricity, depending obviously on the variations of bolts, how many volts are in the average cow fence? I did a search and found around 7500-10,000 volts, lets just say the T-Rex (according to estimates and guestimations by scientists) is 6-8 tons (so 12,000 lbs-16,000 lbs), average cow is 1,150, so do a little math using an average T-Rex, so roughtly 12 times the mass of a cow, so using the worst case scenario, use the highest cow fence of 10,000 x 12 = 120,000 volts, lets multiply that by 4 to take into account that the T-Rex has a stronger skin, so 480,000. Not even close to the weakest lightning bolt, some 20.3 times weaker, and people survive lightning bolts. So it is very plausible that the kid would have survived, possible sure, probable, sure, chances of course are somewhat slim, not everyone lives from lightning bolts, but some do, some have been struck more than once. So in reality, it's possible :).

Oh oh oh, okay, so the guy in AVP is the original, okay. Gotcha, I know the guy in 3 was also an android, doesn't he get shot or hit or something? I don't remember, only saw 3 like twice. Meh, AVP still is confusing and weird, you'd think that maybe the "predaliens" as you referred to them would have shown up a lot more during the actual Alien series, meh. Oh well, I just saw it as a stupid hollywood sham at the end, would have worked a lot better if it had happened earlier or they had left it completely open and you didn't know about it at all, that would have been better.
As far as the electricity, the fence is designed to deterr the T-Rex, not stop it. Just like electric fences around cattle, which aren't designed to kill the cow if it touches the fence, but it does shock that cow enough to make it stay away from the fence. The same here with the T-Rex, obviously a lot more volts though. A lightning bolt has about 10-120 million volts of electricity, depending obviously on the variations of bolts, how many volts are in the average cow fence? I did a search and found around 7500-10,000 volts, lets just say the T-Rex (according to estimates and guestimations by scientists) is 6-8 tons (so 12,000 lbs-16,000 lbs), average cow is 1,150, so do a little math using an average T-Rex, so roughtly 12 times the mass of a cow, so using the worst case scenario, use the highest cow fence of 10,000 x 12 = 120,000 volts, lets multiply that by 4 to take into account that the T-Rex has a stronger skin, so 480,000. Not even close to the weakest lightning bolt, some 20.3 times weaker, and people survive lightning bolts. So it is very plausible that the kid would have survived, possible sure, probable, sure, chances of course are somewhat slim, not everyone lives from lightning bolts, but some do, some have been struck more than once. So in reality, it's possible :).

Sure, it's POSSIBLE - but not very likely.

I think a better comparison than a lightning strike (which is a dishcarge of static energy), would be looking at how many people survive electrocutions on solid technology... third rails, house wiring gone wrong, electricity pylon incidents.

Also - I believe your assumption is flawed... since I see no reason to assume that the charge from the fence wouldn't be high enough to kill the T Rex if contact was SUSTAINED. That would be a better form of security - since the LAST thing you would want is a T Rex running loose.

Regarding the "Predaliens"... the comics suggest that Predators have been capturing and hunting the Aliens for millenia - as is ALSO suggested in AVP. Thus, Predaliens have probably turned up before... which makes the failure to check the body EVEN MORE CONFUSING. Unless - the Predator hunt is SUPPOSED to include a Predalien... and they HAD to bring the infected Predator onboard their ship...

Sure, it's POSSIBLE - but not very likely.

I think a better comparison than a lightning strike (which is a dishcarge of static energy), would be looking at how many people survive electrocutions on solid technology... third rails, house wiring gone wrong, electricity pylon incidents.

Also - I believe your assumption is flawed... since I see no reason to assume that the charge from the fence wouldn't be high enough to kill the T Rex if contact was SUSTAINED. That would be a better form of security - since the LAST thing you would want is a T Rex running loose.

Regarding the "Predaliens"... the comics suggest that Predators have been capturing and hunting the Aliens for millenia - as is ALSO suggested in AVP. Thus, Predaliens have probably turned up before... which makes the failure to check the body EVEN MORE CONFUSING. Unless - the Predator hunt is SUPPOSED to include a Predalien... and they HAD to bring the infected Predator onboard their ship...

Well right, I'm sure my idea is flawed, but a regular electric fence for cows would likely kill a cow if it stood there long enough, no doubt at all, but the cow isn't going to stand there. Just as the T-Rex wouldn't likely stand there and get shocked. I've read (mind you this is extremely rare) about cases where people have survived the electric chair, one case at least twice in a row, mind you he was probably as fried as could be and pretty much incapable of doing much after being shocked, but he didn't die, well not true...they killed him I think by lethal injection afterwards... I understand that lightning is based on static, regardless though, it's still a lot of volts of electricity and people do survive them. The fences in Jurassic Park were most likely designed to shock the T-Rex enough with bare contact that it would avoid the fences or not stay touching it. That and with all that energy surging through the fence into the boys hands, the amount of energy and the speed at which it tried to enter his body, he was thrown from the fence, or rather blown from the fence. That pressure (wrong word I know, but only word i can think of to describe this) would be so high that the electricity trying to pass into his body would condense and blow him off. So in all actuality not all the electricity from the fence enters his body, a lot still gets in there, but not all of it, this is just my hypothesis. Still it is possible he could have survived, and that is really all that matters, besides isn't Crichton a doctor? He's probably seen enough stories in his life :S

What makes that even more confusing about them bringining it on board if they were there to get one, was why didn't they contain the body? Make and effort to prevent any possible predalien from escaping inside the ship. Personally I think it was just a Hollywood gag to try to make a reason for an AVP 2...sigh....

Well right, I'm sure my idea is flawed, but a regular electric fence for cows would likely kill a cow if it stood there long enough, no doubt at all, but the cow isn't going to stand there. Just as the T-Rex wouldn't likely stand there and get shocked. I've read (mind you this is extremely rare) about cases where people have survived the electric chair, one case at least twice in a row, mind you he was probably as fried as could be and pretty much incapable of doing much after being shocked, but he didn't die, well not true...they killed him I think by lethal injection afterwards... I understand that lightning is based on static, regardless though, it's still a lot of volts of electricity and people do survive them. The fences in Jurassic Park were most likely designed to shock the T-Rex enough with bare contact that it would avoid the fences or not stay touching it. That and with all that energy surging through the fence into the boys hands, the amount of energy and the speed at which it tried to enter his body, he was thrown from the fence, or rather blown from the fence. That pressure (wrong word I know, but only word i can think of to describe this) would be so high that the electricity trying to pass into his body would condense and blow him off. So in all actuality not all the electricity from the fence enters his body, a lot still gets in there, but not all of it, this is just my hypothesis. Still it is possible he could have survived, and that is really all that matters, besides isn't Crichton a doctor? He's probably seen enough stories in his life :S

What makes that even more confusing about them bringining it on board if they were there to get one, was why didn't they contain the body? Make and effort to prevent any possible predalien from escaping inside the ship. Personally I think it was just a Hollywood gag to try to make a reason for an AVP 2...sigh....

My only thought about the Predalien, is that it was PART of their plan... maybe the 'last game in the festivities', kind of thing.

That would explain why the predators DID NOT scan the body, and why they lock it in a chamber on it's own. If they KNEW a Predalien would be born, and were PLANNING on it... those would be understandable actions.

Maybe?

My only thought about the Predalien, is that it was PART of their plan... maybe the 'last game in the festivities', kind of thing.

That would explain why the predators DID NOT scan the body, and why they lock it in a chamber on it's own. If they KNEW a Predalien would be born, and were PLANNING on it... those would be understandable actions.

Maybe?

Possibly, but of all places to leave it, why in the hanger bay? A Hanger would be the last place I would leave such a thing, and if they were there to get one, why not lock it inside some sort of container or something to prevent it from escaping inside the ship and causing unneeded havoc and damage? The Predators were intelligent enough to build an arena like the Pyramid, why not build such an arena on a ship, or build a containment field of some sort to transport it to such an arena elsewhere? I think they just didn't know there was a predalien, because if they did they wouldn't have left it in a viable escape route, that's suicide, I know Predators are out to get a good fight, but why put themselves an an unnecessary disadvantage when they could easily just place the battle in a place like the Pyramid?

Possibly, but of all places to leave it, why in the hanger bay? A Hanger would be the last place I would leave such a thing, and if they were there to get one, why not lock it inside some sort of container or something to prevent it from escaping inside the ship and causing unneeded havoc and damage? The Predators were intelligent enough to build an arena like the Pyramid, why not build such an arena on a ship, or build a containment field of some sort to transport it to such an arena elsewhere? I think they just didn't know there was a predalien, because if they did they wouldn't have left it in a viable escape route, that's suicide, I know Predators are out to get a good fight, but why put themselves an an unnecessary disadvantage when they could easily just place the battle in a place like the Pyramid?

I thought about what you said... and I think I have the answer...

Remember in Predator? When he gets injured, the Predator takes himself out? So - we know that Predators aren't afraid of giving up their lives if their 'game' goes wrong....

Well - maybe they figure that a half-breed of Alien and Predator is TOO dangerous to release on a planet? Thus - the ULTIMATE hunting 'trophy'...

So - they allow it to be released on a ship, where ALL the Predators get to hunt it (that's how dangerous it is...), and - if it all goes wrong, they just destroy the ship.

Possible, no?

I think the Die Hard trilogy is underated. Prob go for SW or LOTR.

No mention of the exorcist or scream? oh dear :D

the ginger snaps trilogy(okay the third one, "ginger snaps back" kinda sucked but the first two make up for it, just like godfather 3)

I think the Matrix trilogy was magnificent.

Well, while I wanted to go with LoTR, it hasnt yet stood the test of time, so I will go for the original Star Wars trilogy over it purely based on Longevity. :)

Either the Original Star Wars or Lord of the Rings...


...but what about the upcoming Pirates of the Freakin' Carribean Trilogy!!!

I thought about what you said... and I think I have the answer...

Remember in Predator? When he gets injured, the Predator takes himself out? So - we know that Predators aren't afraid of giving up their lives if their 'game' goes wrong....

Well - maybe they figure that a half-breed of Alien and Predator is TOO dangerous to release on a planet? Thus - the ULTIMATE hunting 'trophy'...

So - they allow it to be released on a ship, where ALL the Predators get to hunt it (that's how dangerous it is...), and - if it all goes wrong, they just destroy the ship.

Possible, no?

That's a possibility, but with the way the movie portrays the actions of the Predators, it doesn't look like that was so. They just pretty much leave it there as if not expecting anything, and how would they have known the body was infected? I'm sure they didn't check, and then another question comes, how long were they down there? And how long was that predator infected? I always thought it took a few days for a predator to full mature inside of the body? So were they down there for that long? I didn't seem like it. I dunno..

That's a possibility, but with the way the movie portrays the actions of the Predators, it doesn't look like that was so. They just pretty much leave it there as if not expecting anything, and how would they have known the body was infected? I'm sure they didn't check, and then another question comes, how long were they down there? And how long was that predator infected? I always thought it took a few days for a predator to full mature inside of the body? So were they down there for that long? I didn't seem like it. I dunno..

Well - going outside of the movies for a few minutes, back to when I read the Alien Versus Predator comics... what was that, 15 years ago? I seem to recall that Alien gestation is actually a matter of hours... probably less than a day. Isn't the first 'chestburster' in the first Alien movie 'born' in the time interval of a few hours?

The bigger concern for me, would be... can an alien gestate in a DEAD host? The Queen killed the predator... shouldn't that have terminated the predalien? I guess he'd been wandering the 'maze' for a while... maybe it was almost ready to 'hatch' anyway.

How would they have known the body was infected? Good question. We never see them scan the body.. but, I guess that doesn't mean they didn't. You can bend that argument either way... either they brought the infected corpse on board because they didn't find the chestburster (careless lead in to second franchise piece), or they found it, and brought it in deliberately (unexplained potential link to second franchise piece - but one they CAN explain in a second film, I guess...).

Either way - we don't have enough information given, to know if they did or didn't scan... and/or why they did/didn't do it.

Well - going outside of the movies for a few minutes, back to when I read the Alien Versus Predator comics... what was that, 15 years ago? I seem to recall that Alien gestation is actually a matter of hours... probably less than a day. Isn't the first 'chestburster' in the first Alien movie 'born' in the time interval of a few hours?

The bigger concern for me, would be... can an alien gestate in a DEAD host? The Queen killed the predator... shouldn't that have terminated the predalien? I guess he'd been wandering the 'maze' for a while... maybe it was almost ready to 'hatch' anyway.

How would they have known the body was infected? Good question. We never see them scan the body.. but, I guess that doesn't mean they didn't. You can bend that argument either way... either they brought the infected corpse on board because they didn't find the chestburster (careless lead in to second franchise piece), or they found it, and brought it in deliberately (unexplained potential link to second franchise piece - but one they CAN explain in a second film, I guess...).

Either way - we don't have enough information given, to know if they did or didn't scan... and/or why they did/didn't do it.

When I watched the originals I got the feeling it was longer than a few hours. In the first the guy gets hit way out in the middle of nowhere, brought back, gets examined, and literally sits there for a loooooooong time. I was thinking maybe 24 hours or more, it just felt like it was quite a long time. But i could be wrong. Either way the pathetic ending for AVP really pissed me off. I also felt they made the predators seem far too bulky, I could be wrong but in the original they didn't seem so thick, I always thought they were strong and agile and the P's in AVP weren't really all that agile it seemed. But then again, I could be wrong...lol

When I watched the originals I got the feeling it was longer than a few hours. In the first the guy gets hit way out in the middle of nowhere, brought back, gets examined, and literally sits there for a loooooooong time. I was thinking maybe 24 hours or more, it just felt like it was quite a long time. But i could be wrong. Either way the pathetic ending for AVP really pissed me off. I also felt they made the predators seem far too bulky, I could be wrong but in the original they didn't seem so thick, I always thought they were strong and agile and the P's in AVP weren't really all that agile it seemed. But then again, I could be wrong...lol

I think they did a little 're-imagining' of the concepts for both the Alien and the Predator... but I LIKE to think, that they did it to accentuate the differences between the 'hunter' and the 'hunted'... perhaps?

I don't know if they ACTUALLY made the Predator noticable heavier... I think they just aren't as 'tall' as the original was...

Regarding the boy on the fence in Jurassic Park... the fence is supposed to be able to stop a T. Rex. So - the child would pretty much have been 'cooked'... we aren't talking normal 'electric fence' here, like they use for controlling cattle... a better parallel would be the power-lines that run on pylons... or the third-rail for electric trains. It is very unlikely that CPR would have any effect on a victim of such a shock... since the problem isn't that their heart has stopped... but more that their 'meat' has been 'cooked'.

Ask a physics teacher about this. In reality, he shouldn't have been "shocked" at all because he wasn't touching the ground. To be honest, I suck at physics, so I can't explain it to you in depth, but I know that if you are somehow floating in the air, like the kid was when he grabbed the fence, you wouldn't be electrocuted.

...but what about the upcoming Pirates of the Freakin' Carribean Trilogy!!!

Blah...Johnny Depp annoys me.

the one that has yet to be made

Ask a physics teacher about this. In reality, he shouldn't have been "shocked" at all because he wasn't touching the ground. To be honest, I suck at physics, so I can't explain it to you in depth, but I know that if you are somehow floating in the air, like the kid was when he grabbed the fence, you wouldn't be electrocuted.

In addition, if I remember right, he grabbed the fence by wrapping his fingers around the wire. If this was the case, he'd still be there now. When you are electrocuted, all of your muscles contract, including your hands. This is why mechanics always touch something with the back of their hand, because if it shocks you it'll just knock your hand away. If they touched it with their palm, and it was electrocuted, their fingers would wrap around whatever it is and they could't let go. Same with the kid.

Still have to see those.
Watch Alien and Aliens. Skip Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection. Pick back up with Aliens vs. Predator.

Watch Alien and Aliens. Skip Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection. Pick back up with Aliens vs. Predator.

but isnt that technically a quadrilogy

Blah...Johnny Depp annoys me.


agreed. johnny depp is a tool with a bad moustache.

Regarding the "Predaliens"... the comics suggest that Predators have been capturing and hunting the Aliens for millenia - as is ALSO suggested in AVP. Thus, Predaliens have probably turned up before... which makes the failure to check the body EVEN MORE CONFUSING. Unless - the Predator hunt is SUPPOSED to include a Predalien... and they HAD to bring the infected Predator onboard their ship...
I thought it was because the Predators in the movie were supposed to be young and inexperienced hunters. No one said the test stopped just because they raised ship. :eek: :D

alien trilogy before ressurrection which actually wasn't!! who ever said alien 3 was crap should be shot :sniper:

has to be........................................dunno ive never seen a trilogy where all 3 movies are fantastic... :D

alien trilogy before ressurrection which actually wasn't!! who ever said alien 3 was crap should be shot :sniper:

I liked Alien 3.

It undid all the cheesey 'heroics' of Aliens, and added back that gothic 'we-are-all-gonna-die' element.

I liked Alien 3.

It undid all the cheesey 'heroics' of Aliens, and added back that gothic 'we-are-all-gonna-die' element.

i think he ment whoever said aliens 3 was crap should be shot... :D

Watch Alien and Aliens. Skip Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection. Pick back up with Aliens vs. Predator.

prob this person :D

*garthman watches

Ninja Zombie Dinosaurs :sniper: hunter123

I think they did a little 're-imagining' of the concepts for both the Alien and the Predator... but I LIKE to think, that they did it to accentuate the differences between the 'hunter' and the 'hunted'... perhaps?

I don't know if they ACTUALLY made the Predator noticable heavier... I think they just aren't as 'tall' as the original was...

Meh, stupid hollywood and their "re-imagining", the aliens seemed pretty much the same as in the originals, just obviously some difference in how they are seen since technology for movies has seriously improved. The predators seemed to have the most changes from the originals in my opinion. I loved P1 and P2 was an okay film, kinda lame, but I like Danny Glover so it's alright, but P1 was by far awesome, the predator awesome, agile, swift, powerful, all of that in one. AVP's P's were thick, strong yes, but not agile, not swift, just nowhere near the same fear factor as they used to have. Aliens were pretty much the same popping out of dark places they always were, so I didn't really get too bothered by them. I was really excited for AVP too, but it disappointed me and I'll just blame hollywood because they are doing a damn good job at ruining anything and everything related to the horror genre, well ruining just about anything in any genre at this point. That D&D movie...oi...

meh, I dunno, I don't think we can ever explain why anything that did happen in the movie happened. But with the current stupid trend in hollywood horrors lately, the most likely seems like some stupid hollywood cliffhanger ending, which I am beyond sick of. BE ORIGINAL HOLLYWOOD!!!

sigh..lol

Ask a physics teacher about this. In reality, he shouldn't have been "shocked" at all because he wasn't touching the ground. To be honest, I suck at physics, so I can't explain it to you in depth, but I know that if you are somehow floating in the air, like the kid was when he grabbed the fence, you wouldn't be electrocuted.

Hmm, that sounds plausible, let me go check something...
*wobbles through the house*

By jobe he's right. THe most the kid would have felt was a tingle, but because he wouldn't be in contact with the ground there would have been no shock. Kinda the same reason I guess that birds can sit on power lines and what not. Hmm. THat is quite interesting, so now it doesn't become a question of whether he can survive the shock, it's a matter of being real altogether lol!

i think he ment whoever said aliens 3 was crap should be shot... :D
think he ment whoever MADE aliens 3 was crap should be shot... :D

Meh, stupid hollywood and their "re-imagining", the aliens seemed pretty much the same as in the originals, just obviously some difference in how they are seen since technology for movies has seriously improved. The predators seemed to have the most changes from the originals in my opinion. I loved P1 and P2 was an okay film, kinda lame, but I like Danny Glover so it's alright, but P1 was by far awesome, the predator awesome, agile, swift, powerful, all of that in one. AVP's P's were thick, strong yes, but not agile, not swift, just nowhere near the same fear factor as they used to have. Aliens were pretty much the same popping out of dark places they always were, so I didn't really get too bothered by them. I was really excited for AVP too, but it disappointed me and I'll just blame hollywood because they are doing a damn good job at ruining anything and everything related to the horror genre, well ruining just about anything in any genre at this point. That D&D movie...oi...

meh, I dunno, I don't think we can ever explain why anything that did happen in the movie happened. But with the current stupid trend in hollywood horrors lately, the most likely seems like some stupid hollywood cliffhanger ending, which I am beyond sick of. BE ORIGINAL HOLLYWOOD!!!

sigh..lol

There ARE exceptions to the hollywood mill... personally, I LOVED The Others (even though I'm not conventionally a Nicole Kidman fan) - because of all the ways it subverted the genre.

Regarding D&D movie... my hopes were not high - EXCEPT for Thora Birch, who I happen to think is magnificent, normally. But, she just had nothing to work with in that movie.... so - NOT EVEN Thora could save it...

Oh, and while I was thinking about 'horror' movies I liked, there have been a couple of slightly lower profile films that have been (in my opinion) very much worth the watch... like Ginger Snaps (although it has a weak ending), or Dog Soldiers. Personally, I liked both The Ring, and The Grudge, too.

In addition, if I remember right, he grabbed the fence by wrapping his fingers around the wire. If this was the case, he'd still be there now. When you are electrocuted, all of your muscles contract, including your hands. This is why mechanics always touch something with the back of their hand, because if it shocks you it'll just knock your hand away. If they touched it with their palm, and it was electrocuted, their fingers would wrap around whatever it is and they could't let go. Same with the kid.

Depends (speaking as if he was touching the ground, not up on the fence anyway). Depends how much electricity tries to get to him, how close he is, and whether or not he is holding on. He was about to jump off, so depending how much electricity and the velocity (for lack of a better word) of said electricity, it could very well condense and blast him off, that is a possibility anyway, but you are right that if he hands were in a position to grab the wire, he'd be a crispy critter.

(snip)

...Oh, and while I was thinking about 'horror' movies I liked, there have been a couple of slightly lower profile films that have been (in my opinion) very much worth the watch... like Ginger Snaps (although it has a weak ending), or Dog Soldiers... loved the first two ginger snaps(already said they were my favorite trilogy even though three sucked) and liked dog soldiers alot, though its the one i thought had kind of a weak ending.

There ARE exceptions to the hollywood mill... personally, I LOVED The Others (even though I'm not conventionally a Nicole Kidman fan) - because of all the ways it subverted the genre.

Regarding D&D movie... my hopes were not high - EXCEPT for Thora Birch, who I happen to think is magnificent, normally. But, she just had nothing to work with in that movie.... so - NOT EVEN Thora could save it...

Oh, and while I was thinking about 'horror' movies I liked, there have been a couple of slightly lower profile films that have been (in my opinion) very much worth the watch... like Ginger Snaps (although it has a weak ending), or Dog Soldiers. Personally, I liked both The Ring, and The Grudge, too.

Well I don't really consider The Ring and The Others as part of the "recently" pile. The Ring was probably the last greeeeeat scary movie I've seen since it was released. I saw the Grudge and while it was creepy, a little scary, freaky, the plot just bored me to tears, but I give it an A for effort and freaky stuff. I didn't get to see The Others so I might rent it just to see.
I saw Alone in the Dark (pretty low profile I think, based on the video game), nice idea, poor execution, not scary at all, computer animation looked like it was done 10 years ago. If you are going to CG the monsters, make it good, sheesh. The Remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre was lame, just another excuse to tell the same story again, sigh. I didn't get a chance to see Saw, but I did want to because it looked almost good, but I saw a different horror film instead, probably The Grudge, oi. I dunno, I've seen a lot of films in the last couple of years in the theatres and I haven't been all that impressed with the horror's coming out these days. Maybe one will surprise me, i really hope...

think he ment whoever MADE aliens 3 was crap should be shot... :D

I think it's one of those things.... if you like Star Trek, normally you EITHER like Voyager OR you like DS9... almost nobody seems to like the two of them.

For my reckoning - that's the division between action-driven plotlines (Voyager), and character-driven (DS9).

It seems to be, with the Alien franchise, that people EITHER like Aliens (because they like Jmaes Cameron style testosterone movies), OR they like Alien 3 (because they like David Fincher style grim fatalistic movies).

Everything I liked about Alien (the 'scare', the implacable foe, the killing ferocity of the beast, the grim certainty of failure for the humans) was carefully undone in Aliens... which basically turned into yet another 'war movie'. The third film returned that fatalistic certainty of destruction, and did it's best to cover the worst excesses of the previous bubblegum attempt.

I think it's one of those things.... if you like Star Trek, normally you EITHER like Voyager OR you like DS9... almost nobody seems to like the two of them.

For my reckoning - that's the division between action-driven plotlines (Voyager), and character-driven (DS9).

It seems to be, with the Alien franchise, that people EITHER like Aliens (because they like Jmaes Cameron style testosterone movies), OR they like Alien 3 (because they like David Fincher style grim fatalistic movies).

Everything I liked about Alien (the 'scare', the implacable foe, the killing ferocity of the beast, the grim certainty of failure for the humans) was carefully undone in Aliens... which basically turned into yet another 'war movie'. The third film returned that fatalistic certainty of destruction, and did it's best to cover the worst excesses of the previous bubblegum attempt.

i loved aliens, but i'm a huge ds9 fan and i can bearly stand voyager. i like the chemistry between paxton, and henriksen and goldstein(i'm also a huge near dark fan)

loved the first two ginger snaps(already said they were my favorite trilogy even though three sucked) and liked dog soldiers alot, though its the one i thought had kind of a weak ending.

I think the thing that MIGHT have hurt the ending of Dog Soldiers, is the way it is paced.

The first third of the movie is fairly slow, and drifts from light-hearted romp towards horror.

The second third is pretty grim and messy - no real joking time, and it's all pretty serious and bloody... even the humour is serious.

The third part, has all the best 'comedy'.... the escapes through closets, bathrooms, hitting people with cooking implements and bathroom components, improvised flamethrowers... and a man telling a werewolf - just before it eats him - "I hope I give you the shits....".

i loved aliens, but i'm a huge ds9 fan and i can bearly stand voyager. i like the chemistry between paxton, and henriksen and goldstein(i'm also a huge near dark fan)

I'm the other way, on Alien movies... but utterly agree on DS9 v's Voyager.

As far as I can tell... they ruined the entire Borg concept (like the Alien concept... implacable foe, cannot be setroyed, because they just multiply on your wounded, effectively)... and they pretty much AVOIDED any character work.

In fact - maybe I'm wrong, but isn't pretty much ALL the character-driven stuff in Voyager, about the Emergency Medical Hologram?

Well I don't really consider The Ring and The Others as part of the "recently" pile. The Ring was probably the last greeeeeat scary movie I've seen since it was released. I saw the Grudge and while it was creepy, a little scary, freaky, the plot just bored me to tears, but I give it an A for effort and freaky stuff. I didn't get to see The Others so I might rent it just to see.
I saw Alone in the Dark (pretty low profile I think, based on the video game), nice idea, poor execution, not scary at all, computer animation looked like it was done 10 years ago. If you are going to CG the monsters, make it good, sheesh. The Remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre was lame, just another excuse to tell the same story again, sigh. I didn't get a chance to see Saw, but I did want to because it looked almost good, but I saw a different horror film instead, probably The Grudge, oi. I dunno, I've seen a lot of films in the last couple of years in the theatres and I haven't been all that impressed with the horror's coming out these days. Maybe one will surprise me, i really hope...
You MIGHT like The Others... if, like me, the average 'horror' film bores you... by being entirely predicatable, ALL ABOUT gore and or flashes and bangs... that kind of thing... The Others has a slower pace, and a very different agenda.

I'm the other way, on Alien movies... but utterly agree on DS9 v's Voyager.

As far as I can tell... they ruined the entire Borg concept (like the Alien concept... implacable foe, cannot be setroyed, because they just multiply on your wounded, effectively)... and they pretty much AVOIDED any character work.

In fact - maybe I'm wrong, but isn't pretty much ALL the character-driven stuff in Voyager, about the Emergency Medical Hologram?
i thought first contact ruined the borg... they are the ultimate collective not a friggin space bee hive, they don't need a god damn queen it weakens their strangely seductive ultimate collectivity, their complete submission of the individual to the group, their extreme redundancy.

You MIGHT like The Others... if, like me, the average 'horror' film bores you... by being entirely predicatable, ALL ABOUT gore and or flashes and bangs... that kind of thing... The Others has a slower pace, and a very different agenda.

I'll give it a look. I think the typical horrors died out with Halloween, Freddy, Jason and the like. just seems like these days people are cashing in on the same stupid idea over and over and using no brain space to be creative.

Another film I saw that sucked was Darkness (not Darkness Falls), which was so crappy, choppy, slow, and stupid, literally the plot is there, but NOTHING progresses it, nothing at all. It's lame. The only saving grace is Anna Paquin (spelling?) who is absolutely gorgoues....

i thought first contact ruined the borg... they are the ultimate collective not a friggin space bee hive, they don't need a god damn queen it weakens their strangely seductive ultimate collectivity, their complete submission of the individual to the group, their extreme redundancy.
I agree that the Borg 'Queen' was the beginning of the end.. but at least, in First Contact, the Borg were still 'scary'... 39 Federation fleet ships destroyed without slowing down...

The real tragedy is the combined 'bite-size borg' concept (7 of 9), coupled with the ridiculous lack of adaptability that the Borg suddenly encounter in Voyager... which regularaly destroys Borg Cubes all on it's lonesome...

I'll give it a look. I think the typical horrors died out with Halloween, Freddy, Jason and the like. just seems like these days people are cashing in on the same stupid idea over and over and using no brain space to be creative.

Another film I saw that sucked was Darkness (not Darkness Falls), which was so crappy, choppy, slow, and stupid, literally the plot is there, but NOTHING progresses it, nothing at all. It's lame. The only saving grace is Anna Paquin (spelling?) who is absolutely gorgoues....

I saw a trailer for "Darkness", which loked like it MIGHT be pretty good... but you think 'no', then?

Personally - the sort of horror I usually like, is the off-mainstream stuff. I'm no fan of the gore-and-loud-noise school of horror (so - no Freddy Kreuger, Jason, or Event Horizon, for me).

I like Blair Witch - because it explored the PSYCHOLOGY of fear... that what scares us ISN'T the teeth in the dark, really... it's that loss of security... you suddenly just 'don't know' what is going on, or where you are.

Applies in Blair Witch... but also in the rest of the horror genre... which is why I disliked Aliens... Alien was scary, because the alien was unknown and untouchable. By the time they'd finished Aliens - they'd destroyed that myth... and the Alien had become an 'easy kill'.

I agree that the Borg 'Queen' was the beginning of the end.. but at least, in First Contact, the Borg were still 'scary'... 39 Federation fleet ships destroyed without slowing down...

The real tragedy is the combined 'bite-size borg' concept (7 of 9), coupled with the ridiculous lack of adaptability that the Borg suddenly encounter in Voyager... which regularaly destroys Borg Cubes all on it's lonesome...

Wait, the Borg always seemed to adapt to whatever Voyager did. Voyager though always seemed to be one step ahead of the Borg.

Besides, the Borg Queen was cool.

Star Wars was good in its day, Temple of Doom and Godfather III brought down their respective trilogies, and BttF was never really my taste. I'll stick with LotR any day.

Wait, the Borg always seemed to adapt to whatever Voyager did. Voyager though always seemed to be one step ahead of the Borg.

Besides, the Borg Queen was cool.

Yes - the Borg Queen was a cool visual, and well acted, etc. BUT - what was originally cool about the Borg was the utter facelessness, the lack of individuality, the fact that there was no way to 'reason' with them.. or even 'talk to them', really.

The series had slowly been following that pattern, perhaps... but those who had ANY traces of individuality, were always shown to be aberrant.

Regarding Borg v's Voyager... the problem is: (for me): ONE Borg Cube can destroy 39 (I seem to recall) Ships-of-the-Line, without even slowing down.

Voyager is a 'scout' ship... a crew of maybe a hundred... and yet it repeatedly slaps the Borg around. It just makes the Borg faintly ridiculous.

i thought first contact ruined the borg... they are the ultimate collective not a friggin space bee hive, they don't need a god damn queen it weakens their strangely seductive ultimate collectivity, their complete submission of the individual to the group, their extreme redundancy.
I agree completely. To a child of even the tail end of the Cold War, it's pretty obvious what the Collective with their ships that look like blocky industrial complexes were meant to represent as enemies, and it wasn't the insect kingdom. Giving them a 'Borg Queen' completely gutted the idea of the Collective. It took their dystopic version of perfect unrelenting cybernetic classless collective action and inverted it into an insect caste structure. It just didn't make any sense.

Yes - the Borg Queen was a cool visual, and well acted, etc. BUT - what was originally cool about the Borg was the utter facelessness, the lack of individuality, the fact that there was no way to 'reason' with them.. or even 'talk to them', really.

They were still like that on several occassions in Voyager. Only a few times, when the situation warranted it, did they reason. Borg aren't stupid. Species 8472 was slaughtering them to no end. Voyager had the way to defeat them. I would've agreed to whatever deal and then get the weapon then attack the people I made that deal with. Voyager was one step ahead of that however. Its nice to have suspicious minds.

The series had slowly been following that pattern, perhaps... but those who had ANY traces of individuality, were always shown to be aberrant.

It was still like that or didn't Unimatrix Zero? They tried to stamp out all individuality.

Regarding Borg v's Voyager... the problem is: (for me): ONE Borg Cube can destroy 39 (I seem to recall) Ships-of-the-Line, without even slowing down.

True but it also depends on the Captain if a ship can survive or not. Tactics and strategy are everything in combat.

Voyager is a 'scout' ship... a crew of maybe a hundred... and yet it repeatedly slaps the Borg around. It just makes the Borg faintly ridiculous.

Because of the crew's strategies and tactics. A small ship can defeat a larger foe on tactics alone. *Looks at the destroyed Spanish Armada*

Much respect for whoever noted that Die Hard was not listed as a choice for the best trilogy.

And after seeing the results of this poll, I have concluded that this is obviously a site devoted to the same kind of people who used to play dungeons and dragons growing up. The same kind of people who collected magic cards. The same people who, now grown up, devote their life to knowing everything in their life about Middle Earth and the "force."

Which is fine. Do whatever makes you happy. Unfortunately, I do not partake in the same joy of overanalyzing what Tolkien wrote, might have written, or how his siblings pieced together his last works after he died.

There are some pretty serious debates on this forum, and the fact that Lord of the Rings is being debated as a better trilogy than the Godfather renders the other points discussed on this forum useless.

Enjoy your lives, call me when you hit puberty.

I agree completely. To a child of even the tail end of the Cold War, it's pretty obvious what the Collective with their ships that look like blocky industrial complexes were meant to represent as enemies, and it wasn't the insect kingdom. Giving them a 'Borg Queen' completely gutted the idea of the Collective. It took their dystopic version of perfect unrelenting cybernetic classless collective action and inverted it into an insect caste structure. It just didn't make any sense.

Personally, I have a different view of the Borg... perhaps more contorversial... but the 'Borg Queen' ruins that, also... by making the implicit into the explicit, and deifying the disease, so to speak.

Think about it... the average sci-fi addict (or even the writer) is portrayed as... what?

We all know that the stereotype is the teenager with the Star Wars figure collection, living in mommy's basement... who is still going to be an virgin at 30.

So - what is 'evil' and 'scary' to that demographic? What is it that seems to 'assimilate' their 'friends', turning them into part of some strange 'collective' that they can no longer comprehend...?

Mad Max.

They were still like that on several occassions in Voyager. Only a few times, when the situation warranted it, did they reason. Borg aren't stupid. Species 8472 was slaughtering them to no end. Voyager had the way to defeat them. I would've agreed to whatever deal and then get the weapon then attack the people I made that deal with. Voyager was one step ahead of that however. Its nice to have suspicious minds.

It was still like that or didn't Unimatrix Zero? They tried to stamp out all individuality.

True but it also depends on the Captain if a ship can survive or not. Tactics and strategy are everything in combat.

Because of the crew's strategies and tactics. A small ship can defeat a larger foe on tactics alone. *Looks at the destroyed Spanish Armada*

All good points... but how can you have ABSOLUTE faceless individuality, AND a Borg Queen? Unimatrix Zero was, I think, a token of what the Borg had been like earlier in Next Gen. Before people started the gradual demise of the Implacable foe.

Regarding the Armada, and the Voyager thing... tactics and strategy ARE important... but maybe not 'everything'. It would have had to be a real GOOD plan for Voyager to take out a Borg Cube, if the only 'weapon' they had was a can-opener... :)

I just have the problem that an adversary that is basically DEFINED by adjusting to new threats, KEEPS getting bitch-slapped by the SAME mosquito.

All good points... but how can you have ABSOLUTE faceless individuality, AND a Borg Queen? Unimatrix Zero was, I think, a token of what the Borg had been like earlier in Next Gen. Before people started the gradual demise of the Implacable foe.

Regarding the Armada, and the Voyager thing... tactics and strategy ARE important... but maybe not 'everything'. It would have had to be a real GOOD plan for Voyager to take out a Borg Cube, if the only 'weapon' they had was a can-opener... :)

I just have the problem that an adversary that is basically DEFINED by adjusting to new threats, KEEPS getting bitch-slapped by the SAME mosquito.

YOu also have good points. Shall we call this a draw since neither one of us will win this debate :)

YOu also have good points. Shall we call this a draw since neither one of us will win this debate :)

Official Peace Treaty signed, over the "Borg Queen v's Faceless Swarm" Conflict.

:)

Official Peace Treaty signed, over the "Borg Queen v's Faceless Swarm" Conflict.

:)

Approved by a vote of one! :D

Much respect for whoever noted that Die Hard was not listed as a choice for the best trilogy.

And after seeing the results of this poll, I have concluded that this is obviously a site devoted to the same kind of people who used to play dungeons and dragons growing up. The same kind of people who collected magic cards. The same people who, now grown up, devote their life to knowing everything in their life about Middle Earth and the "force."

Which is fine. Do whatever makes you happy. Unfortunately, I do not partake in the same joy of overanalyzing what Tolkien wrote, might have written, or how his siblings pieced together his last works after he died.

There are some pretty serious debates on this forum, and the fact that Lord of the Rings is being debated as a better trilogy than the Godfather renders the other points discussed on this forum useless.

Enjoy your lives, call me when you hit puberty.

Oh, the humanity.... Oh! The delicious irony...

call me when you hit puberty.
Why on Earth would we call you at all after that wonderful bit of patronizing trolling?

I always wonder if people go onto sports fansites and ridicule them for spending their adult lives arguing the influence of instant replays on calls and memorizing the RBIs of Yankees players from the Eisenhower era.

Why on Earth would we call you after that wonderful bit of patronizing trolling?

I always wonder if people go onto sports fansites and ridicule them for spending their adult lives arguing the influence of instant replays on calls and memorizing the RBIs of Yankees players from the Eisenhower era.

I find it comical that this 'individual' seems to think that one 'movie' thread, somehow affects or invalidate, any of the OTHER separate threads on the forum...

sigh....

I find it comical that this 'individual' seems to think that one 'movie' thread, somehow affects or invalidate, any of the OTHER separate threads on the forum...

sigh....

Considering several of those threads are childish. Noticed how he singled out Lord of the Rings when Star Wars is also getting more votes than the Godfather? I've watched the Godfather and frankly, I would take Star Wars over the Godfather.

Considering several of those threads are childish. Noticed how he singled out Lord of the Rings when Star Wars is also getting more votes than the Godfather? I've watched the Godfather and frankly, I would take Star Wars over the Godfather.

i would agree, the godfather part 3 is bloody awfull

I voted for The Godfather (TWO best picture awards...)

How about Jaws? Or were there four Jaws movies?

Rocky 1, 2 and 4 ("I must break you") are also a great "trilogy"

Considering several of those threads are childish. Noticed how he singled out Lord of the Rings when Star Wars is also getting more votes than the Godfather? I've watched the Godfather and frankly, I would take Star Wars over the Godfather.

I personally believe Star Wars to be one of the most over-rated sets of movies out there (okay - not as bad as "Elm Street" or it's kind...).

But, yes... I would take "Star Wars" over the Godfather, too.

I voted for The Godfather (TWO best picture awards...)

How about Jaws? Or were there four Jaws movies?

Rocky 1, 2 and 4 ("I must break you") are also a great "trilogy"

You forgot Rocky 3 so that eliminates Rocky from the Trilogy and no quotes will ever change that.

As for Jaws, I thought there was 4 too. We both could be wrong.

Star Wars has earned more awards than the Godfather.

I personally believe Star Wars to be one of the most over-rated sets of movies out there (okay - not as bad as "Elm Street" or it's kind...).

But, yes... I would take "Star Wars" over the Godfather, too.

Watch what you say about Star Wars. I love it and I will defend it. It isn't overrated though personally, you could make a case for the first prequal. I thought that one was overrated.

Robocop!!!

Watch what you say about Star Wars. I love it and I will defend it. It isn't overrated though personally, you could make a case for the first prequal. I thought that one was overrated.

Lol... don't get me started on Star Wars, then... :)

I didn't mind the first or second... but despised the third with an unbelievable passion. And then.... part four turned the force into a joke, and the side-effect of a blood disorder... and the fifth... well....

But, that's just my opinion.

Star Wars, to me... is like the britney spears to Dune's marylin monroe...

Or some other, equally unlikely, analogy... :)

Lol... don't get me started on Star Wars, then... :)

I didn't mind the first or second... but despised the third with an unbelievable passion. And then.... part four turned the force into a joke, and the side-effect of a blood disorder... and the fifth... well....

? Ok what are you babbling about. Episodes four, five, and six were terrific. Episode 1 wasn't what I expected. It was alright. Episode 2 was better. I was happy with that one. Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith, should be terrific. Can't wait for May 19, 2005.

But, that's just my opinion.

And that's my opinion.

Star Wars, to me... is like the britney spears to Dune's marylin monroe...

Or some other, equally unlikely, analogy... :)

LOL!!!

? Ok what are you babbling about. Episodes four, five, and six were terrific. Episode 1 wasn't what I expected. It was alright. Episode 2 was better. I was happy with that one. Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith, should be terrific. Can't wait for May 19, 2005.


Okay - I was talking in terms of chronological release... so, in your money... I found number one ridiculous, and number two nauseating.

I REALLY hope for an improvement in number three.

Number four was good enough, number five was the best of the lot... and number six just annoyed the hell out of me.

Episode Four is so gutted with logic flaws, such as why the Death Star didn't shoot down the Millenium Flacon when it was leaving. Also, the sheer number of turrets on even a fraction of the side of the Death Star facing the incoming Rebel fighters would tear them to shreads. Why did the Empire wait until they could open fire to begin preperations?
"Sir, we're almost in range. If we get ready now, we can fire just as it comes around the corner."
"No, we have no need for your liberal strategic views!"

Episode Five wasn't much better. The body heat of something the size of the horse is supposed to last against those temperatures for an entire night while one of the people inside is badly wounded? Also, how did Luke know just where to put the bomb on the walker? Also, just how did the Millenium Flacon not notice Boba Fett following them through the trash? Let's not forget how Darth Vader's glove blocked a laser shot, and how Luke dropped about the length of a football field and caught himself an a metal wiring thing without being cut to ribbons.

I'll continue when I'm not hungry.

The Die Hard trilogy was very good apart from the last one

The Cube trilogy.

The Cube trilogy.
is the third one out then....i liked the first one but second was..well..

cube 2 :mp5:

Easy Lotr: they are a classic and they only exist for four years. This stuff that will stand the teeth of time. The others will diminish but Lotr will rule this eath unto the next one.

Lord of the Rings.

I love Star Wars but the Chubnub song of the Ewoks annoys me! :headbang:

That's the original version of the Return of the Jedi, if you haven't seen it. ;)

I like Indiana Jones but the second one was terrible!

Godfather was good but the third one? Sofia Coppola :gundge:

Okay - I was talking in terms of chronological release... so, in your money... I found number one ridiculous, and number two nauseating.

I REALLY hope for an improvement in number three.

Number four was good enough, number five was the best of the lot... and number six just annoyed the hell out of me.

Bad warning sign. Lucas talked about it being a tear-jerker and refered to it as the Titanic of Space.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/18/film.starwars.ap/

I am going in with low expectations. If it's mediocre as 1 and 2 then I won't be disappointed.

I think 'Back To The Future' is best trilogy... I love movies... I like
watching almost anything... That doesn't mean they all are great...
Actually I liked all ao the above, but 'BTF' is the best. It's really well done
and it's not ment to be 'something great' like 'LotR' (Liked the trilogy very much)
Sometimes it's good to have a movie just to make people laugh. An did I
mentioned it's really well done...