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I am a Star Trek fan, I love the original one, TNG, and Deep Space Nine. I like Star Trek the best because well, the way they set it up. The things they used, like the space ship, and the engines of the ship. Almost everything, seems very likeable in the distance future. I also love the actors that they had. Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard, and William Shatner at Captain Kirk.

Whoo!

buffy would make them all her spanking loves slaves with a few karate kicks and a bat of her eyelashes... she and her warband slew a friggin hellgod fer jeepers sakes.

Worf could take Buffy and her crew on any day!

Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis and the best sci-fi i rekon :)

Star Trek is the most consistent. And although I do love the original Star Wars trilogy, George Lucas really fucked some stuff up (the Ewoks, any one?).

So, it's Star Trek.

Star Trek is the most consistent. And although I do love the original Star Wars trilogy, George Lucas really fucked some stuff up (the Ewoks, any one?).

So, it's Star Trek.

Did you just call Star Trek consistent? Star Trek is so full of canon violations it is laughable. They conviently forget technologies they developed in the previous episode and the ability and speeds of ships seem to change randomly each and every episode.

Star Wars is by far the most self-consistent of the Universes. It also has a much better story and its books are far superior to anything that has come from Star Trek.

Star Wars is da Best.

Well, that's what I get for not watching Star Trek!

Yeah, I guess Star Wars would be the most consistent... I just wish that George Lucas didn't fuck with it so much.

*star wars theme plays*

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Worf could take Buffy and her crew on any day!
man buffy'd wear worf out, what's a klingon after you've had vampires.

I just think Star Trek has better actors. I espically love Patrick Stewart acting. He just has a very deep and powerful acting ability. He really showed this in a made for TV movie "A Christmas Carol".

Worf could take Buffy and her crew
hmmmm
kinky

man buffy'd wear worf out, what's a klingon after you've had vampires.

About 200lbs of fury. Also, He is now armed with a phaser. He doesn't even have to touch Buffy to defeat her. Just set it on kill!

I just think Star Trek has better actors. I espically love Patrick Stewart acting. He just has a very deep and powerful acting ability. He really showed this in a made for TV movie "A Christmas Carol".
giles is wiser than picard and he has a much better singing voice and a full head of hair.

Bah... the Vorlons or Shadows from Babylon 5 could kick everyone from Star Wars, Star Trek & Buffy combined.

Seriously though, I'm finding the new Battlestar Galactica to be very engrossing.

It seems to be quite good, but I've yet to watch a whole episode.

Bah... the Vorlons or Shadows from Babylon 5 could kick everyone from Star Wars, Star Trek & Buffy combined.

Seriously though, I'm finding the new Battlestar Galactica to be very engrossing.

Its going to have to do alot to wash away the stench of the old one. The old one was WAY too much like Star Wars.

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You know... I sounded out the Star Wars theme in my head and you got it perfectly!

Star Trek of course. Star Wars just isn't my cup of tea because the movies just seem like big excuses to have light saber fights, filled with supposidly "intellectual" views of good and evil within, but it's nothing more than a mere cover up to snatch people's moulah. Star Trek actually makes you THINK, better looking ships, better technology, better stories, better actors, better characters. Compare Star Trek 8: First Contact to ANY Star Wars movie. That film seriously beats the shit out of anything Star Wars has EVER produced. You just can't beat that scene on the hull, period.

About 200lbs of fury. Also, He is now armed with a phaser. He doesn't even have to touch Buffy to defeat her. Just set it on kill!
a phaser, what a wussy, am i thought klingons were supposed to have honor, he'd fight a teenage human girl with his phaser... the whole klingon race would commit ritual suicide from the shame













plus i meant in bed silly

Star Trek of course. Star Wars just isn't my cup of tea because the movies just seem like big excuses to have light saber fights, filled with supposidly "intellectual" views of good and evil within, but it's nothing more than a mere cover up to snatch people's moulah. Star Trek actually makes you THINK, better looking ships, better technology, better stories, better actors, better characters. Compare Star Trek 8: First Contact to ANY Star Wars movie. That film seriously beats the shit out of anything Star Wars has EVER produced. You just can't beat that scene on the hull, period.


I saw some of First Contact, and it was indeed an ass-kicker. I still surf my Digital Cable to see if it's on at night!

a phaser, what a wussy, am i thought klingons were supposed to have honor, he'd fight a teenage human girl with his phaser... the whole klingon race would commit ritual suicide from the shame













plus i meant in bed silly

Well considering Worf has no problem beating the shit out of Borg Drones by smashing their faces in with a phaser rifle and slicing them up with Mek'Leth, I think Buffy would get her spine snapped.

FARSCAPE!!!

Ahem, excuse me.

Okay...

Insofar as acting, star trek wins hands down. Not the original series, of course.

The production and acting was passable at best (though they improved a great deal in the later movies). The revolutionary ideals in the original series were great though.
TNG and other series' definitely had superior acting.

Star Wars is arguably the most INTERNALLY consistent, but if you want to compare both to realistic sociological principles of human interaction, neither are consistent. Star wars is probably the most sociologically inconsistent. (Since when do senators get involved in shooting wars?)

I have to say that Battlestar galactica wins hands down insofar as internal consistency and sociological realism. Sadly the series was killed by 1970s special effects, technological assumptions, and poor acting. :)

I love the series anyway. Cap'n adama (sp?) rulez, yo. Death to the cylons!


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(For what it's worth, I grew up watching Battlestar Galactica in the early 80s. Though, my all time favorite show (when I was 8 or so) was Star Blazers. Old school anime sci fi series. Was on at the ungodly hour of 6:30am or so. My mom hated that. :)

It's hard to compare Star Wars and Star Trek since one is a series of movies and the other is primarily TV series, with movies produced incidentally. I think the Star Wars movies are better than any of the Star Trek movies, and the Star Wars books beat the Star Trek books hands down.

However, if we're going to compare the best of Star Trek with the best of Star Wars, then the last 4 seasons of TNG are far better than anything Star Wars related. So I had to vote for Star Trek, though I think Star Trek has an unfair advantage just because there's so much more of it.

I picked Star Trek although I like Babylon 5 the best.

It's hard to compare Star Wars and Star Trek since one is a series of movies and the other is primarily TV series, with movies produced incidentally. I think the Star Wars movies are better than any of the Star Trek movies, and the Star Wars books beat the Star Trek books hands down.


Not sure I agree here. Star Trek 2, wrath of Khan? that's an intense movie.

Star wars movies are more *classically* epic, in the rediculously biblically hack sense. (Not to say that I don't love every second of them.)

edit: maybe not *every* second. the prequal trilogy has plenty of problems...

insofar as books, I can't say I've read any trekkie books. They just looked like hack fan fiction. The only star wars books worth their weight in dust bunnies was the 'heir to the empire' trilogy by Zahn, that occupied a couple weeks of high school a decade or so ago. :)

FARSCAPE!!!

Ahem, excuse me.
chainna would be all over worf like flies on roadkill... it'd be ugly... but good ugly.

chainna would be all over worf like flies on roadkill... it'd be ugly... but good ugly.

And D'argo's got the most versatile weapon in the universe. He'd own all over silly stormtroopers.

Star Trek of course. Star Wars just isn't my cup of tea because the movies just seem like big excuses to have light saber fights, filled with supposidly "intellectual" views of good and evil within, but it's nothing more than a mere cover up to snatch people's moulah. Star Trek actually makes you THINK, better looking ships, better technology, better stories, better actors, better characters. Compare Star Trek 8: First Contact to ANY Star Wars movie. That film seriously beats the shit out of anything Star Wars has EVER produced. You just can't beat that scene on the hull, period.

Star Wars is ancient mythological motifs carried into Sci-Fi. Nothing intellectual about it. It just kicks ass.

Star Trek lectures at you in the most blatantly obvious way and if it makes you think its because your only mental stimulation is Star Trek and pompous quasi-intellectuals who think their thoughts at 16 are actually unique.

Besides, the Undiscovered Country, The Voyage Home, The Wrath of Kahn are all far superior to First Contact and The Empire Strikes Back is most definitely far better than First Contact.

Well considering Worf has no problem beating the shit out of Borg Drones by smashing their faces in with a phaser rifle and slicing them up with Mek'Leth, I think Buffy would get her spine snapped.

buffy went toe to toe with a hellgod, she demolished a brick and timber building having rough sex, she rose from the dead twice... worf wouldn't stand a chance, he's the one who'd come out of it with cronic back problems.

Star Wars is arguably the most INTERNALLY consistent, but if you want to compare both to realistic sociological principles of human interaction, neither are consistent. Star wars is probably the most sociologically inconsistent. (Since when do senators get involved in shooting wars?)

StarWars is based on ancient mythological motifs no? In the time of the Roman Republic the Senators were the generals who commanded armies and fought sword to sword and spear to spear with their enemies.

StarWars is based on ancient mythological motifs no? In the time of the Roman Republic the Senators were the generals who commanded armies and fought sword to sword and spear to spear with their enemies.

That's completely untrue.

I love Star Wars and it was the first introduction to the magic of the movies for me. It is a special and wonderful film series for me and always will be.

And I do not love what I voted for more, but I wanted to give some love-

The new Battlestar Gallactica is utterly fantastic. Character driven drama that explores the conditions they are in. No one is larger than life, the situation is and the characters have to step up. I am really taken with this new series.

It takes nothing away from Star Wars, but I wanted to give it some love.

Star Wars is ancient mythological motifs carried into Sci-Fi. Nothing intellectual about it. It just kicks ass.

Star Trek lectures at you in the most blatantly obvious way and if it makes you think its because your only mental stimulation is Star Trek and pompous quasi-intellectuals who think their thoughts at 16 are actually unique.

Besides, the Undiscovered Country, The Voyage Home, The Wrath of Kahn are all far superior to First Contact and The Empire Strikes Back is most definitely far better than First Contact.

Star Trek isn't as childish and simplistic as you think it is. If it DOESN'T make you think then you must have some sort of tumor blocking the passage of bio-chemical and electrical signals throughout your brain, keeping it from functioning properly. Star Trek bases some of it's stories around good old fashioned morality, questioning morality in itself. Is morality actually something important to intergrate into your lifestyle? Is the human concept morality even correct? The Wrath Of Khan sure is superior to First Contact, however I don't agree that The Empire Strikes Back is a superior film to First Contact.

Star Wars is ancient mythological motifs carried into Sci-Fi. Nothing intellectual about it. It just kicks ass.

Star Trek lectures at you in the most blatantly obvious way and if it makes you think its because your only mental stimulation is Star Trek and pompous quasi-intellectuals who think their thoughts at 16 are actually unique.

Besides, the Undiscovered Country, The Voyage Home, The Wrath of Kahn are all far superior to First Contact and The Empire Strikes Back is most definitely far better than First Contact.

I get the feeling you haven't watched much of TNG. I'm not going to claim the ideas there in Star Trek are particularly original, but they're often presented very effectively.

Comparing Star Trek movies to the Star Wars movies isn't fair. Star Trek movies suck compared to the series - they're made to exploit a succesful franchise, and I'm surprised they are as good as they are. The real comparison is between Star Wars movies and the best episodes of Star Trek, and I think Star Trek wins in the acting and direction and script writing departments hands down.

Plus, the characters in Star Wars are pretty one dimensional. Personally, I think the area Star Trek really beats Star Wars is in the characters. Picard and Data are much more compelling to me than anyone in Star Wars.

Nobody hates Data, and that is a fact. A fucking fact of life, at that.

I get the feeling you haven't watched much of TNG. I'm not going to claim the ideas there in Star Trek are particularly original, but they're often presented very effectively.

I've watched virtually every episode of Star Trek TNG, DS9 and VOY and not so much of the TOS. They are preached to the audience, often directly through Pircard giving some 3rd person speech about it.

Comparing Star Trek movies to the Star Wars movies isn't fair. Star Trek movies suck compared to the series - they're made to exploit a succesful franchise, and I'm surprised they are as good as they are. The real comparison is between Star Wars movies and the best episodes of Star Trek, and I think Star Trek wins in the acting and direction and script writing departments hands down.

The TOS movies were far superior to any of the series. And personaly I like the acting in Star Wars more than Star Trek.

Plus, the characters in Star Wars are pretty one dimensional. Personally, I think the area Star Trek really beats Star Wars is in the characters. Picard and Data are much more compelling to me than anyone in Star Wars.

Its Star Wars, they are supposed to be fairly one dimensional. Though Vader and Han are decently developed characters IMO.

I liked ST:TOS and I love the new Battlestar Galactica. Star Wars you really cannot compare since it's a different media format (movies instead of Television)

hate ST:TNG and ENTERPRISE... Voyager was good untill the last couple of seasons... DS9 was great... but never got a chance to fly on it's own.

The TOS movies were far superior to any of the series. And personaly I like the acting in Star Wars more than Star Trek.

Its Star Wars, they are supposed to be fairly one dimensional. Though Vader and Han are decently developed characters IMO.

I have no idea how anyone could think the Star Trek movies are decent actually, except maybe for campy humor value. As for the acting, the only actor who did a remotely decent job in Star Wars was Harrison Ford - the movies were good despite the acting. I think in TNG you get some pretty impressive acting ocassionaly by Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner.

As for the characters, I just don't find the Star Wars charaters all that compelling. When Luke loses his hand, or finds out Vader is his father, I find myself quite indifferent.

But I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here, if you think the TOS movies are better than TNG episodes we've obviously got very different ideas of what good is.

*Sports spock ears*

*In nerdy voice*
Go Star Trek!

I notice some people mention the new Battlestar Galactica. Ronald D. Moore, who is involved in the new series is well known to Star Trek fans as a writer of many great star trek episodes.

Therefore my favourite is Star Trek (except Enterprise), and am waiting for a series developed my JMS, since Babylon 5 is my second favourite.

I notice some people mention the new Battlestar Galactica. Ronald D. Moore, who is involved in the new series is well known to Star Trek fans as a writer of many great star trek episodes.

Therefore my favourite is Star Trek (except Enterprise), and am waiting for a series developed my JMS, since Babylon 5 is my second favourite.

All this talk has got me all curious about the new Battlestar Galactica. It almost makes me wish I had cable! I feel like I'm missing some essential part of geek culture. :eek:

shit..I didn't even realize there was a *new* battlestar galactica.

I feel like I've been demoted in geek status.

FARSCAPE!!!

Ahem, excuse me.
PEACE KEEPER WARS

Star Wars is ancient mythological motifs carried into Sci-Fi. Nothing intellectual about it. It just kicks ass.

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Besides, the Undiscovered Country, The Voyage Home, The Wrath of Kahn are all far superior to First Contact and The Empire Strikes Back is most definitely far better than First Contact.

Firstly: If you wanna talk mythology, just watch the new Battlestar Galactica. Holy mother of god is that a well made show. In fact, I think mentioning Battlestar Galactica was premature. STARGATE SG-1, for christ sake. I mean, come on. It's ABOUT egyptian mythology. What does Star Wars have? Pretty space battles that look like hack amateur filmwork to todays standards.

Secondly: wtf? WTF?!?! the undiscovered country was great and all, as was voyage home, but the two best trek movies EVER, indeed two of the best in the genre, are Wrath of Khan and First Contact. Hands down. O, and the Empire Strikes back? Watch it again sometime, and try and tell me it isn't laid on *thick*. Poured on in heaping globs, and shoved down your throat while Lucas screams, "see?! watch the freakin overacting!!! mwahahaha!!!!!"

excuse me.

That said, there are a number of extremely well made sci-fi series on television today. Star Trek (Excluding most of Voyager and most of the first three seasons of Enterprise); the new Battlestar Galactica series; Stargate SG-1; Farscape; even Sliders can hold its own against Star Wars.

All this talk has got me all curious about the new Battlestar Galactica. It almost makes me wish I had cable! I feel like I'm missing some essential part of geek culture. :eek:The new Battlestar Galactica has alot of changes from the old series. 1) the Cylons have a plan other than "exterminate all humans" they look like humans and some are programmed to believe they are humans.
2) the characters are more realistic. Cmdr Tye is a recovering Alcoholic, Adama and the President feel the weight of their responsibilities. Starbuck is an ass kicking girl who is troubled by her past mistakes... and Apollo is not on good terms with his father.
3) Baltar is on the Galactica and is a wildcard.
4) the Cylons have evolved into different forms... the fighters are cylons as well as the humanoid types. no more robots flying planes... they are the planes. and they can control computers via wireless access... that's why they're using old fighters (Vipers MKII) and not the state of the art fighters (all destroyed in the first fight)

the whole atmosphere is gritty, the Battlestar old (was going to be decommissioned at the start of the series.) and the people, are now paranoid.

B.G. ROCKS

It reminds me of my days as a starfighter addict

Starlancer, Wing Commander, Star Wars...Freespace...Freelancer

Also I can see some WW2 stuff in B.G.

The new Battlestar Galactica has alot of changes from the old series. 1) the Cylons have a plan other than "exterminate all humans" they look like humans and some are programmed to believe they are humans.
2) the characters are more realistic. Cmdr Tye is a recovering Alcoholic, Adama and the President feel the weight of their responsibilities. Starbuck is an ass kicking girl who is troubled by her past mistakes... and Apollo is not on good terms with his father.
3) Baltar is on the Galactica and is a wildcard.
4) the Cylons have evolved into different forms... the fighters are cylons as well as the humanoid types. no more robots flying planes... they are the planes. and they can control computers via wireless access... that's why they're using old fighters (Vipers MKII) and not the state of the art fighters (all destroyed in the first fight)

the whole atmosphere is gritty, the Battlestar old (was going to be decommissioned at the start of the series.) and the people, are now paranoid.


Theres actually a character named Star Bucks on B.S? That's a good way to slip in advertisement!

No Babylon 5?

Almost everything, seems very likeable in the distanct future
Same goes for mobile suits and Gundams, IMHO

Buck Rogers! lol

Star Trek of course. Star Wars just isn't my cup of tea because the movies just seem like big excuses to have light saber fights, filled with supposidly "intellectual" views of good and evil within, but it's nothing more than a mere cover up to snatch people's moulah. Star Trek actually makes you THINK, better looking ships, better technology, better stories, better actors, better characters. Compare Star Trek 8: First Contact to ANY Star Wars movie. That film seriously beats the shit out of anything Star Wars has EVER produced. You just can't beat that scene on the hull, period.
People have argued with what is good :) and bad :mp5: for centuries. That is something really deep when you think about it because people justified genocides and oppresion with the statement that "it was good for everyone that these people are killed or oppressed." Star Wars just boils it down simply so that everyone can understand. And if what you said is true then at least somebody else might look past that and see what I thought about just now and think of it as a satire with some deeper meaning. Wouldn't it be cool if the schools showed us this with that justification? Awesome use of class time if you ask me! :D

Personally, my favourite sci-fi is Akira. Bt of that list.....Star Wars.

Star Wars has:
Annoying Jar Jar Binks
Annoying Ewoks
Annoying Metachlorians
Whiney pimple-faced morons
Horrible direction and acting
But - has lightsabers

Star Trek has:
Stupid Transporters
Stupid Holodecks
Stupid Random techno-plasma gobbledygook
But - has Hot, Hot, Hot women

From a classic film standpoint I don't see how you argue against that of all the films between them, Empire Strikes Back is the best. From a writing standpoint the average show from Enterprise beats the pants off almost anything written for a Star Wars script.

So, as far as I can tell, if you like decent writing, you'll go with Star Trek. If you like special effects action - you go with Star Wars.

For me, I'll have to take the hot, hot, hot women over lightsabers.

And on that front, for that matter, FARSCAPE gets my number two vote. Karen Black is luscious.

Since I'm a gamer, I also have to say:

Star Trek has never had a game I like
Battlestar Galacta has never had a good game
Star Wars - whilst far from unblemished - made KOTOR and KOTOR II. I rest my case.

I have to say that many of you have your good points. Others have good points that also cross over to geeky. I personally believe their is room in my heart for all of these series in addition to the games. Here's a somewhat short list:

Star Trek (All of them excluding the original), Stargate SG-1 , Stargate Atlantis , Battlestar Galactica(present day), Gundam Wing, Dragon Ball(z), Star Fox the game 4 SNES, Cowboy Bebop (spellin?) :confused: ,Animorphs, The Star Wars game that I have, Halo :cool: , Red Faction, Resident Evil(Grew up on it), Trasformers Beast Wars, pokemon, Digimon, The Matrix (only the first one), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, and last but certainly not least:
The Thing, both the movie and the Game. I'm sure I missed a few things but I got most of them in there. I just believe there is room in my heart to love them all. :fluffle:
HA! I have out geeked you all!

Star Trek is the most consistent. And although I do love the original Star Wars trilogy, George Lucas really fucked some stuff up (the Ewoks, any one?).

So, it's Star Trek.
Dude, the Ewoks kick everybody's ass. Don't be dissin on my furry little homies (just kidding)

shit..I didn't even realize there was a *new* battlestar galactica.

I feel like I've been demoted in geek status.
Don't beat yourself up! :headbang: I can't ethically vote because I haven't seen any of the Star Wars movies all the way through but what I have seen of most of one of them (and awsome trailers and comercials) lets me know that it is awesome. Battlestar Gallactica the new one (the original was before my time) is on Sci-fi channel on fridays at 10:00 usually but today March 11 it will be on at 10:30 because of the 90 min special for Stargate SG1 I will be watching.

Star Trek of course. Star Wars just isn't my cup of tea because the movies just seem like big excuses to have light saber fights, filled with supposidly "intellectual" views of good and evil within, but it's nothing more than a mere cover up to snatch people's moulah. Star Trek actually makes you THINK, better looking ships, better technology, better stories, better actors, better characters. Compare Star Trek 8: First Contact to ANY Star Wars movie. That film seriously beats the shit out of anything Star Wars has EVER produced. You just can't beat that scene on the hull, period.
Star Wars has better acting, cooler ships, more powerful weapons, actual ground battles that kick ass, and...jedi, the jedi could take anybody from Star Trek.

Theres actually a character named Star Bucks on B.S? That's a good way to slip in advertisement!

No, Starbuck. No s involved, and no product placement (the earliest Starbuck I can remember comes from Melville's Moby Dick). The one problem offhand is that they made Starbuck into a girl for the new series (originally, it was a he). While I don't mind women, I do mind transgendering one of the great male action heroes, although I seem to be in the minority on that point.

As for the main discussion, I'd say that both Wars and Trek have their virtues (those who tend to get all hung up on the lack of philosophical depth of "The Force" forget that Star Wars is, with the exception of ANH, an f'in B-movie couched in an A-movie's budget. It's not supposed to be a lecture on Kant, it's supposed to be a cheerfully shallow homage to Buck Rogers.), but overall, Trek has better acting and better writing. ESB is a great cinema epic, but even that can't compare with the best of the writing in Trek, like the episodes City on the Edge of Forever and Tapestry. As for acting, remember that the main character in Wars got upstaged by a frickin' muppet. Granted that Han was always excellent, but still . . .

Star Wars has better acting, cooler ships, more powerful weapons, actual ground battles that kick ass, and...jedi, the jedi could take anybody from Star Trek.

Oh I don't know about that, I think that if the enterprise fired a torpedo at a jedi, he'd have a bit of difficulty dealing it.

Or what about Luke vs Data.... hmmm there's an interesting one.

And on that front, for that matter, FARSCAPE gets my number two vote. Karen Black is luscious.

Claudia Black, you heathen, the raven-haired Goddess.