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I read a few weeks ago that a Nazi rally was planned for the 8th of this month, and that the German government was trying to stop it, does anyone know if the really was stoped, or if it went on as they planned?

8th May. Not March.
The politicians are trying to (unconstitutionally) ban such marches. Dumbasses that they are, they'll only draw more public interest onto the martyrs. If our so-called democracy (which is a plutocracy actually), cannot deal with a little nazism, then it's not worth having it in the first place.

Considering that we have some sort of constitution (the basic law), and free speech to some degree and the right to freely assemble are guaranteed in it, I doubt that any plan to ban this march will be successful. It'll be dismissed by our constitutional court within the blink of an eye.

I read a few weeks ago that a Nazi rally was planned for the 8th of this month, and that the German government was trying to stop it, does anyone know if the really was stoped, or if it went on as they planned?
The Nazis overthrew the government and started rounding up gays and Jews and shooting them.










Not really.
:D

Well...it should be their right. Even if I disagree with it whole-heartedly, it's their right.

Well...it should be their right. Even if I disagree with it whole-heartedly, it's their right.
Exactly.

Well...it should be their right. Even if I disagree with it whole-heartedly, it's their right.

Agreed. Even scum have the right to 'think' what they want.

Well...it should be their right. Even if I disagree with it whole-heartedly, it's their right.


to round up jews and shoot them.... coool... no wait i changed now i'm a national bolshevik and i think out great leader whatshisname is a jew... so NOT COOL.

The Nazis overthrew the government and started rounding up gays and Jews and shooting them.










Not really.
:D

Not funny. Not funny at all.

Agreed. Even scum have the right to 'think' what they want.
Unfortunately we have heavy thought police in Germany. Even as much as thinking nazi-things can get you arrested. Or if the police get the impression you might possibly in the future think about nazi stuff, you can get arrested. Just about anything can be claimed to be inciting to hatred or to be anti-democratic or anti-constitutional.

Well it's not quite that harsh yet, but we are close to it. Just yesterday I've seen a TV documentary about heavy police usage against a few rather peaceful nazi-wannabes. You can check it out here: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmt/mediathek/0,3496,MT-2275363,00.html

(It's German so you might not understand it.)

There is a great gap gentlemen, between thinking and acting. Everyone is entitled to think what they wish, but it is a far different thing to assert oneself and carry out the action. And which right is that? To round up and slaughter innocents, especially merely for being the chosen scapegoat of an administration. I think not, it is a grave matter indeed. It is no one's right to commit genocide. That would be my two cents.

Not funny. Not funny at all.
Okay, so I have a twisted sense of humour.
Or more like my sense of humour was eradicated to make room for more psychoses.
Damn.

*sulks*

There is a great gap gentlemen, between thinking and acting. Everyone is entitled to think what they wish, but it is a far different thing to assert oneself and carry out the action. And which right is that? To round up and slaughter innocents, especially merely for being the chosen scapegoat of an administration. I think not, it is a grave matter indeed. It is no one's right to commit genocide. That would be my two cents.
well if we don't have the unalienable right to exterminate our chosen enemies, it kinda make a mockery of the whole enlightment idea of natural rights now doesn't it. i mean really, what is more basic and fundimental to the human condition than the urge to destroy those who oppose you, and if this most basic of human needs can't be accommadated by the modern idea of human rights, then i say we must chuck the entire idea upon the dustdin of history.

HA! Believe me, I embrace the ideals of the enlightenment a great deal, but to even suggest that such a thing justifies the slaughter of millions? Even hundreds? Even one? No. That is a folly. Is it not also a natural right to live? Do not get me wrong, I am for choice in the matter of abortion in the direst of circumstances, but to slaughter? To humiliate? To Destroy? No.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire/Rousseau

All sects are different, because they come from men; morality is everywhere the same, because it comes from God.
-Voltaire

Men are equal; it is not birth but virtue that makes the difference.
-Voltaire

Prejudice is opinion without judgement. -Voltaire

HA! Believe me, I embrace the ideals of the enlightenment a great deal, but to even suggest that such a thing justifies the slaughter of millions? Even hundreds? Even one? No. That is a folly. Is it not also a natural right to live? Do not get me wrong, I am for choice in the matter of abortion in the direst of circumstances, but to slaughter? To humiliate? To Destroy? No.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire/Rousseau

All sects are different, because they come from men; morality is everywhere the same, because it comes from God.
-Voltaire

Men are equal; it is not birth but virtue that makes the difference.
-Voltaire

Prejudice is opinion without judgement. -Voltaire
VOLTAIRE (François Marie Arouet). 18th c. French philosopher, writer: Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws; they either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race.
The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous--cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity. (Essai sur les moeurs)
You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny. (From a letter to a Jew who had written to him, complaining of his 'anti-Semitism.' Examen des quelques objections. . . dans l'Essai sur les moeurs.)


You will only find in the Jews an ignorant and barbarous people, who for a long time have joined the most sordid avarice to the most detestabJe superstition and to the most invincible hatred of all peoples which tolerate and enrich them. ("Juif," Dictionnaire Philosophique)


I know that there are some Jews in the English colonies. These marranos go wherever there is money to be made But whether these circumcised who sell old clothes claim that they are of the tribe of Naphtali or Issachar is not of the slightest importance. They are, simply, the biggest scoundrels who have ever dirtied the face of the earth. (Letter to Jean-Baptiste Nicolas de Lisle de Sales, December 15, 1773. Correspondance. 86:166)

They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race. (Lettres de Memmjus a Ciceron, 1771)



this is the guy you want to use as a shining example of enlightenment values of tolerance

Cute. They really have relevance to modern issues don't they? Do the religious opinions of a philiosopher justify genocide? Still no. And to quote Voltaire once more, in something of a contradiction,

All sects are different, because they come from men; morality is everywhere the same, because it comes from God.

Men are equal; it is not birth but virtue that makes the difference.

Prejudice is opinion without judgement. -Voltaire

“I am a Jew/ Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs/ dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with/ the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject/ to the same diseases, heal’d by the same means/ warm’d and cool’d by the same winter and summer/ as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?/ If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you/ poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?” -Shylock, II.i.58. -A Merchant of Venice

He (Voltaire) was a hypocrite undermining his own point. Nothing justifies genocide of anyone. Can you even judge an entire race on one person? Absolutely not. Need I remind you that half the Jewish stereotypes of running the media and banks were forced? In Medieval Europe, Jews were only permitted to practice medicine, law, or banking. It is ridiculous to say that Jews do or did this completely by choice.

Even so; should Jews hate the Germans for the Holocaust and Europe for its general compliance; should they hate the Russians for Pogroms; the English for Exile; the Spanish for torture; the Arabs for terrorism; the Germans, English, and French for the Crusades? No. Should Armenians hate Turks for their holocaust? No. Should France or Poland hate Germany? No. Should Ireland hate England for its government? No. The list goes on and on. Should any one race, nation, ethnic group, family, or whatever be judged for the actions of one or the finger pointing of another? Absolutely not.

Ein Deutscher']Even as much as thinking nazi-things can get you arrested.

That's a lie. You can think what you want, you can talk about what you want. Prohibited is the call for dicrimination and telling lies like the Holocaust has never happened, was just an invention by the jews or americans or american jews to get money, etc.

I guess, Germany is a bit critical at this stage as globalisation and the inability of the Germans to think and act (they need a Fuhrer and a state to do everything for them) has led to a huge unemployment, just like in the beginning of last century.

And the Nazi-Party gets more and more support, because they can promise anything and those who do not think believe them (i.e. Hitler solved the unemployment problem). That he did so by introducing mandatory slave work for the unemployed - RAD; killing the disabled and propping up the defense industry and the army is conveniently forgotten.

Cute. They really have relevance to modern issues don't they? Do the religious opinions of a philiosopher justify genocide? Still no. And to quote Voltaire once more, in something of a contradiction,







“I am a Jew/ Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs/ dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with/ the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject/ to the same diseases, heal’d by the same means/ warm’d and cool’d by the same winter and summer/ as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?/ If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you/ poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?” -Shylock, II.i.58. -A Merchant of Venice

He (Voltaire) was a hypocrite undermining his own point. Nothing justifies genocide of anyone. Can you even judge an entire race on one person? Absolutely not. Need I remind you that half the Jewish stereotypes of running the media and banks were forced? In Medieval Europe, Jews were only permitted to practice medicine, law, or banking. It is ridiculous to say that Jews do or did this completely by choice.

Even so; should Jews hate the Germans for the Holocaust and Europe for its general compliance; should they hate the Russians for Pogroms; the English for Exile; the Spanish for torture; the Arabs for terrorism; the Germans, English, and French for the Crusades? No. Should Armenians hate Turks for their holocaust? No. Should France or Poland hate Germany? No. Should Ireland hate England for its government? No. The list goes on and on. Should any one race, nation, ethnic group, family, or whatever be judged for the actions of one or the finger pointing of another? Absolutely not.

okay you convinced me, but can we at least keep the eugenics... please?

*sigh* O.K. ;) You're not a real nazi are you?

wasn't this an ns issue? ;)

Hey kids. :fluffle: , don't :sniper:

*sigh* O.K. ;) You're not a real nazi are you?

heck i'm not even a real national bolshevik... but i do sometimes play both on the internet... an occasionally a maoist just for a change of pace.