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This morning my girlfriend and I went to breakfast. Chicken fried steak was awesome, and the morning was going well until we got back into the car to go home.

Leaving the restaurant parking lot I accidentally cut this guy off, forcing him to hit his breaks. There was no danger of an accident or any reason to get pissed off. I waved to the guy, mouthed 'I'm sorry' and tried to go about my business.

Instead, this dude hauls ass, swerves in front of our car and stops. So, I stop and the dude jumps out of the car. I also get out of my own car, and here's the dialogue:


Me: Dude, I'm sorry about that back there. I didn't see you.

Him, as he storms towards me: You're lucky I don't bash your face in.

Me, getting pissed off: Look, dude, I said I was sorry. It was an accident. Let it go.

Him: You're sorry? That's fucking right you're sorry. You may be alot sorrier when I kick your teeth in.

Me: Okay, dude, get in your car and get out of here. I said I was sorry, and that's all. Get the fuck out of my face. Now.

Him, looking at my girlfriend: Yeah, I'll get outta here once I fuck you up and take that -whore- in the car with me.

So I hit him, and I hit him hard. Though I'm completely ashamed of myself, I lost it on this guy, completely and totally lost it. I'm a big guy, 6'4, 260. He was a little taller and weighed probably twenty more pounds than I do. I'm afraid of no man on this earth, but I'll say I was hesitant to tangle with him, because of his size, and because I simply didn't want to fight with him.

*shakes head* I must have hit him a hundred times before the guys behind us in traffic got to us to pull me away. By this time the guy is a bloody wreck, and is sobbing like a little girl. I asked him if he had anything else to say, but apparently he was all talked out.

We split fast, but I'm sure the cops were called. I'm kinda worried about that, but... fuck. I can take alot, but once he brought my girl into it, especially like that, he crossed the line and paid the price. I'm ashamed that I lost it, but at the same time I revelled in the fact that he tresspassed against me and I sat him straight...

I felt something rise up inside me. Something carnal and wild. I've been in alot of scraps in my day, but never like this. I hurt him, and I'm ashamed to say I liked it... alot.

I dunno. I'm not looking for vindication here, but I just felt like sharing. My girlfriend has never seen me mad like that, and I think it scared her. She's shook up about it, and I'm even more ashamed of myself because of it.

So, I took the day off, bought some beer and a bag of herb, and now I sit. I would write up some RP to soothe myself, but I'm afraid of what would come of it.

Thoughts?

-Pants

{{Edited to add: Let this be a warning to those of you who flip out on others on the road. You might be screaming and threatening someone like me...}}

vindicaiton: people suck. especially violent and over-aggressive people like the dude you cut up. sure you shouldn't have hit him, but he shouldn't have been such a dick in the first place.

This morning my girlfriend and I went to breakfast. Chicken fried steak was awesome, and the morning was going well until we got back into the car to go home.

Leaving the restaurant parking lot I accidentally cut this guy off, forcing him to hit his breaks. There was no danger of an accident or any reason to get pissed off. I waved to the guy, mouthed 'I'm sorry' and tried to go about my business.

Instead, this dude hauls ass, swerves in front of our car and stops. So, I stop and the dude jumps out of the car. I also get out of my own car, and here's the dialogue:



So I hit him, and I hit him hard. Though I'm completely ashamed of myself, I lost it on this guy, completely and totally lost it. I'm a big guy, 6'4, 260. He was a little taller and weighed probably twenty more pounds than I do. I'm afraid of no man on this earth, but I'll say I was hesitant to tangle with him, because of his size, and because I simply didn't want to fight with him.

*shakes head* I must have hit him a hundred times before the guys behind us in traffic got to us to pull me away. By this time the guy is a bloody wreck, and is sobbing like a little girl. I asked him if he had anything else to say, but apparently he was all talked out.

We split fast, but I'm sure the cops were called. I'm kinda worried about that, but... fuck. I can take alot, but once he brought my girl into it, especially like that, he crossed the line and paid the price. I'm ashamed that I lost it, but at the same time I revelled in the fact that he tresspassed against me and I sat him straight...

I felt []something[/i] rise up inside me. Something carnal and wild. I've been in alot of scraps in my day, but never like this. I hurt him, and I'm ashamed to say I liked it... alot.

I dunno. I'm not looking for vindication here, but I just felt like sharing. My girlfriend has never seen me mad like that, and I think it scared her. She's shook up about it, and I'm even more ashamed of myself because of it.

So, I took the day off, bought some beer and a bag of herb, and now I sit. I would write up some RP to soothe myself, but I'm afraid of what would come of it.

Thoughts?

-Pants

{{Edited to add: Let this be a warning to those of you who flip out on others on the road. You might be screaming and threatening someone like me...}}


Ive been in fights myself ... bout the same size as you (my situation was I saw them hit a girl that I knew and things esclated fast... I wish he had not had friends with him 1 or 2 I can take but 4 was too many)
(and one other time when I found the guy that raped my friend)

It feels horrible but life moves on

Never mess with a man's woman.

You placed him, dude...big mofo probably thought he was invulnerable, and it's a good thang to take him down a notch or two.

My dad always said that a man does not learn wisdom until he's had the shit kicked out of him. Maybe this jerk will be a little wiser now...

Yes, fighting him was wrong, but, he did start it by acting like an asshole, and if he threatens those smaller than him and those you care about, you don't have to take it lying down.

I remember, in my ignorant youth, saying to a guy, "hey, who's the bitch?" and pointing at what turned out to be his girlfriend.

I didn't wake up until the next day, in the hospital. And my broken ribs reminded me of how stupid I was for weeks.

Don't sweat it. He had it coming.

My dad always said that a man does not learn wisdom until he's had the shit kicked out of him. Maybe this jerk will be a little wiser now...
i've never been in a fight :(
its actually a bad thing - i know when i do finally get in one i'm gonna get my ass kicked :( :(

You did the right thing. If the cops come to your door just claim that he took the first swing, and have your girlfriend back you up. I hope everything turns out OK. That dickhead was going to swing on you anyway. You only did what you had to do.

I remember, in my ignorant youth, saying to a guy, "hey, who's the bitch?" and pointing at what turned out to be his girlfriend.

I didn't wake up until the next day, in the hospital. And my broken ribs reminded me of how stupid I was for weeks.

Don't sweat it. He had it coming.
Yeah knife to the back sent me there :)

Thoughts?

-Pants

{{Edited to add: Let this be a warning to those of you who flip out on others on the road. You might be screaming and threatening someone like me...}}

First off you committed Assault and Battery by escalating a verbal attack to a physical one.

Then you warn that it might happen to others?

I have had something similar happen to myself, and I am 6' 2" - 230lbs and can take care of myself and, like your situation, the guy was a bit bigger than me.

What I did was get out of my car with my Video Camera (I keep a small digital handheld in my car for things like this) and filmed him as he walked up to me, telling him that whatever he planned on doing was going to be taped...

After a few choice words he went back to his car and drove off.

I actually hope you get what is coming to you, Law wise. It's when people feel that actions like YOU took are justified that we lose our civility.

I bet if someone was obviously filming the both of you, you would have never hit him first. Why is it you would do such a thing only if you felt you could get away with it?

Regards,
Gaar

I've been in a situation somewhat like that, although it never got violent, thank God. I was on a three lane highway, and I was in the leftmost lane. There was a car in the rightmost lane, and we both went to merge into the center lane at the same time. No one got hurt, but she had to swerve a little to avoid hitting me. I motioned to say that I was sorry, but she continued to follow me. It was summer, and my window had been down, and she was cursing at me and saying how terrible I was and I should watch where I was going. I went to get off at the exit, because I was supposed to be meeting my parents for dinner at a restaurant. However, she followed me and I could still hear her screaming. I didn't want to risk getting out of the car, because I was a)17 b)not a very big person c)I'm generally non confrontational. So I drove around trying to lose her; it took me a half hour before I finally got away. It was one of the scariest things that has ever happened to me, and nothing even really did end up happening...but still.

That incident persuaded my parents of my need for a cell phone, so I guess it worked out in the end.

y.

I bet if someone was obviously filming the both of you, you would have never hit him first. Why is it you would do such a thing only if you felt you could get away with it?

Regards,
Gaar
Because sometimes anger suprases reson ... we at times are still a phisical animal

Because sometimes anger suprases reson ... we at times are still a phisical animal

Yes, but we are a civilization that has chosen to "overcome" those "animal" urges, have we not?

First off you committed Assault and Battery by escalating a verbal attack to a physical one.

Then you warn that it might happen to others?

I have had something similar happen to myself, and I am 6' 2" - 230lbs and can take care of myself and, like your situation, the guy was a bit bigger than me.

What I did was get out of my car with my Video Camera (I keep a small digital handheld in my car for things like this) and filmed him as he walked up to me, telling him that whatever he planned on doing was going to be taped...

After a few choice words he went back to his car and drove off.

I actually hope you get what is coming to you, Law wise. It's when people feel that actions like YOU took are justified that we lose our civility.

I bet if someone was obviously filming the both of you, you would have never hit him first. Why is it you would do such a thing only if you felt you could get away with it?

Regards,
Gaar
The guy was obviously working himself up to start a fight with Pantera. Pantera saw where it was going and decided to take care of the situation. I don't think he did anything wrong.

First off you committed Assault and Battery by escalating a verbal attack to a physical one.

Then you warn that it might happen to others?

I have had something similar happen to myself, and I am 6' 2" - 230lbs and can take care of myself and, like your situation, the guy was a bit bigger than me.

What I did was get out of my car with my Video Camera (I keep a small digital handheld in my car for things like this) and filmed him as he walked up to me, telling him that whatever he planned on doing was going to be taped...

After a few choice words he went back to his car and drove off.

I actually hope you get what is coming to you, Law wise. It's when people feel that actions like YOU took are justified that we lose our civility.

I bet if someone was obviously filming the both of you, you would have never hit him first. Why is it you would do such a thing only if you felt you could get away with it?

Regards,
Gaar
people make mistakes, and people get emotional over things - it is possible to just 'loose control' and that's what happened to Pantera. i don't think, from reading the OP, that he's normally a violent, hit-them-first kind of guy, so thats a little harsh. surely it's the other dude's fault for making a big thing out of something that could have been ignored or brushed off as a mistake?

Yes, but we are a civilization that has chosen to "overcome" those "animal" urges, have we not?
We can choose all we want ... on the individual level we can not overcome them as of yet ... good ideal yes (for the most part ... but civilization really just suports the part of the animal we find mroe benificial ... not truly overcome it)

The guy was obviously working himself up to start a fight with Pantera. Pantera saw where it was going and decided to take care of the situation. I don't think he did anything wrong.

You may not, but in the eyes of the Law he did...

And the rule of Law must be first and foremost in a civil Society, should it not?

Regards,
Gaar

The guy was obviously working himself up to start a fight with Pantera. Pantera saw where it was going and decided to take care of the situation. I don't think he did anything wrong.
hehe i would NEVER pick a fight with Pantera... the band (dunno about the dude... probably not).

Phil would kick anybody's ass, and Vinnie Paul would kill ya! :p


(RIP Dimebag :( )

You may not, but in the eyes of the Law he did...

And the rule of Law must be first and foremost in a civil Society, should it not?

Regards,
Gaar
Yeah, rule of law must be honored, but I personally hope he gets away with it. Sometimes you have to violate the law to protect yourself or someone else. In this case, he did both. If I was on his jury I'd let him walk.

And the rule of Law must be first and foremost in a civil Society, should it not?

The rule of the law? No. I believe the spirit of the law is what counts. The spirit of laws like that are to protect the innocent from harm, not to allow this fool to spout filth and get away with it.

Chivalry maybe dead, but only6 because people like you killed it. In the end, I'll take whatever the cops can throw at me with a smile. I regret acting as I did, but I do not regret acting. Something needed to be done, even before he started in on my girlfriend. After that, he stepped over the edge.

Would you allow some idiot to call your wife/girlfriend a whore? To her face? What about your mother? Your sister? If you say yes, that you're 'evolved beyond' things like that, I'll call you a coward and know I have the right of it.

You can go on about the 'law' being what is most important, but I say no. I'm a law abiding citizen, more or less, but I'll be branded a criminal a thousand times over before I let a slight against a lady go unpunished.

-WP

I accept what you did, but after the first punch it all seems so unnecessary. I can see why you might want to floor the guy, but hitting him until he bleeds and cries is a bit over-the-top. In my experience, if you absolutely have to resort to violence, its best to punch them once, but so hard that they don't even think about fighting back. Then you can walk away with your honour intact and the moral high ground decisively taken.

The rule of the law? No. I believe the spirit of the law is what counts. The spirit of laws like that are to protect the innocent from harm, not to allow this fool to spout filth and get away with it.

Chivalry maybe dead, but only6 because people like you killed it. In the end, I'll take whatever the cops can throw at me with a smile. I regret acting as I did, but I do not regret acting. Something needed to be done, even before he started in on my girlfriend. After that, he stepped over the edge.

Would you allow some idiot to call your wife/girlfriend a whore? To her face? What about your mother? Your sister? If you say yes, that you're 'evolved beyond' things like that, I'll call you a coward and know I have the right of it.

You can go on about the 'law' being what is most important, but I say no. I'm a law abiding citizen, more or less, but I'll be branded a criminal a thousand times over before I let a slight against a lady go unpunished.

-WP
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Don't listen to Gaar,

You followed the correct protocol for these kinds of situations, he continually apologized and sought the peaceful solution. Untill he not only insulted your girlfriend, but in my point of view, threatened to kidnap and/or use violent force.

You should have waited for the Cops, they would have let you off the hook.

One must walk the fine line between being aggressive and spineless, the strong must protect the weak.

And you, Gaar, I suggest you place yourself in the same situation, with a stranger verbally suggesting he was going to assault you and kidnap your girlfriend/fiance/wife.

He made the right call.

I accept what you did, but after the first punch it all seems so unnecessary. I can see why you might want to floor the guy, but hitting him until he bleeds and cries is a bit over-the-top. In my experience, if you absolutely have to resort to violence, its best to punch them once, but so hard that they don't even think about fighting back. Then you can walk away with your honour intact and the moral high ground decisively taken.

I do agree he used excessive force, but the first punch probably would not have prevented retalitory attacks.

The rule of the law? No. I believe the spirit of the law is what counts. The spirit of laws like that are to protect the innocent from harm, not to allow this fool to spout filth and get away with it.

Chivalry maybe dead, but only6 because people like you killed it. In the end, I'll take whatever the cops can throw at me with a smile. I regret acting as I did, but I do not regret acting. Something needed to be done, even before he started in on my girlfriend. After that, he stepped over the edge.

Would you allow some idiot to call your wife/girlfriend a whore? To her face? What about your mother? Your sister? If you say yes, that you're 'evolved beyond' things like that, I'll call you a coward and know I have the right of it.

You can go on about the 'law' being what is most important, but I say no. I'm a law abiding citizen, more or less, but I'll be branded a criminal a thousand times over before I let a slight against a lady go unpunished.

-WP

I told you what I would have done, and I am sure my significant other would be proud that I was able to go Home with her rather than end up in jail for some stupid jerk who means NOTHING to either of us.

But you obviously feel that others are worth spending some time dealing with Lawyers and the Law for YOUR actions.

The other guy didn't FORCE YOU out of your car and you let HIS WORDS bring YOU to violent action. Are you proud of that?

Regards,
Gaar

Don't listen to Gaar,

You followed the correct protocol for these kinds of situations, he continually apologized and sought the peaceful solution. Untill he not only insulted your girlfriend, but in my point of view, threatened to kidnap and/or use violent force.

You should have waited for the Cops, they would have let you off the hook.

One must walk the fine line between being aggressive and spineless, the strong must protect the weak.

And you, Gaar, I suggest you place yourself in the same situation, with a stranger verbally suggesting he was going to assault you and kidnap your girlfriend/fiance/wife.

He made the right call.

I HAVE been in that situation, as I said in my post, and I DID exactly what I said I did.

And it didn't come to violence, because I didn't allow it to.

Something about that YOU don't understand?

Regards,
Gaar

I would have just driven around the guy when he stopped. What an asshole.

If he gave me any more trouble I'd pull out my .357 revolver. I'm sure he'd have second thoughts about getting into a fight.

I definately don't think you should have beat the crap out of him, of course by getting out of your car you are pretty much asking for a fight.

I HAVE been in that situation, as I said in my post, and I DID exactly what I said I did.

And it didn't come to violence, because I didn't allow it to.

Something about that YOU don't understand?

Regards,
Gaar
Hmmm from your post you said your video camera stopped the threats and stuff he just said some “choice words” so to be frank you WERE not IN that situation
You did not have anyone threatening your wife/sister ….

I’m not saying what he did was right but you just got done saying you averted all that stuff but then you claim you were in the SAME situation

Hmmm from your post you said your video camera stopped the threats and stuff he just said some “choice words” so to be frank you WERE not IN that situation
You did not have anyone threatening your wife/sister ….

I’m not saying what he did was right but you just got done saying you averted all that stuff but then you claim you were in the SAME situation

I did have my significant other with me, and a few of the words were directed at/towards her...

I just didn't hit the guy for saying them.

His WORDS were hardly worth the digital medium they were recorded on, let alone my having to spend time in Jail and hire a Lawyer and everything else that may have come from violent action.

Not to mention that, there have been several incidents in Seattle where someone was SHOT for getting out of their car to confront someone.

So would the confrontation have been worth YOUR LIFE if it had come to that?

Regards,
Gaar

And what if he had not just walked away when you flashed the camera?

What if he kicked the crap out of you, kidnapped your girlfriend and raped her.


Is your way so much better?

I told you what I would have done, and I am sure my significant other would be proud that I was able to go Home with her rather than end up in jail for some stupid jerk who means NOTHING to either of us.

But you obviously feel that others are worth spending some time dealing with Lawyers and the Law for YOUR actions.

The other guy didn't FORCE YOU out of your car and you let HIS WORDS bring YOU to violent action. Are you proud of that?

Regards,
Gaar

The individual that Pantera was dealing with committed assault whenever he stated that he would kick his (Pantera's) teeth in. Pantera, I believe should be okay with the initial punch, as it can be shown to be self-defense (if he can show that his side of the conversation is true).

Now, Pantera may have trouble with his later actions, if he gave the guy as bad a beating as he says, and I guess he would deserve it.

And what if he had not just walked away when you flashed the camera?

What if he kicked the crap out of you, kidnapped your girlfriend and raped her.


Is your way so much better?

Given that I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, he wouldn't have done much before I pulled it out and used it.

You think he would think that the incident was worth it then?

Regards,
Gaar

Given that I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, he wouldn't have done much before I pulled it out and used it.

You think he would think that the incident was worth it then?
I don't think it would have been such a good idea to use it. Simply pulling it out and pointing it at him would probably do the trick.

The individual that Pantera was dealing with committed assault whenever he stated that he would kick his (Pantera's) teeth in. Pantera, I believe should be okay with the initial punch, as it can be shown to be self-defense (if he can show that his side of the conversation is true).

Now, Pantera may have trouble with his later actions, if he gave the guy as bad a beating as he says, and I guess he would deserve it.

Sorry, in the eyes of the Law, Battery is not a viable solution to Assault...

There's a little something known as "Equal force" under the Law.

Had the guy hit him first, I would agree with you. That is not the case however.

Regards,
Gaar

I don't think it would have been such a good idea to use it. Simply pulling it out and pointing it at him would probably do the trick.

Never pull a Gun unless you intend on using it.

Given that I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, he wouldn't have done much before I pulled it out and used it.

You think he would think that the incident was worth it then?

Regards,
Gaar


So what you're saying is that it's not wrong that he beat up the other guy, it's wrong that he didn't pull a gun on him?
I've been in this kind of situation on more than one occasion, because I'm female and I don't let idiots like the guy Pantera hit give me grief, but there's a point. Hit him (if it seems plain that he will hit you otherwise), yes, and hit him so that he thinks better of it if he decides to take it further than words, but beat the crap out of him, no. And use a concealed weapon? Definitely not. That kind of asshole's not worth it, and that's definitely assault.

yea as i was reading it i was thinking naw just let the guy go...but as soon as i saw the part where her called her a whore i even felt like beating the living shit out of him :mad: well i dont aprove of that kind of stuff i think he deserved it

So what you're saying is that it's not wrong that he beat up the other guy, it's wrong that he didn't pull a gun on him?
I've been in this kind of situation on more than one occasion, because I'm female and I don't let idiots like the guy Pantera hit give me grief, but there's a point. Hit him (if it seems plain that he will hit you otherwise), yes, and hit him so that he thinks better of it if he decides to take it further than words, but beat the crap out of him, no. And use a concealed weapon? Definitely not. That kind of asshole's not worth it, and that's definitely assault.

The Gun would never have been pulled unless and until he had physically attacked me or someone else.

Then it gets pulled and he is warned to stop or be shot.

If he continues, I "wing" him. If that doesn't stop him, the second shot goes to the mid-section.

Regards,
Gaar

He did not have any such concealed weapon.

The aggressive stranger avoided several attempts at a peaceful resolution of the conflict, for all intents and purposes, the stanger was a potential danger to both he and his girlfriend, neither had the peace of mind of hiding behind the crosshairs of a gun.

Indeed, what if the man assaulting you had carried such a concealed weapon, a violent crossfire could have killed both you, him, innocent by-standers and the occupants of the vehicle.

He attempted to end the confrontation peacefully.

He did not have your resources available to him.

He did everything you did, up to the point where instead of backing down, as in your situation, he continued to aggrevate the situation.

What more did you want him to do?

Turning his back to re-enter the vehicle would have been a tactical error that would have opened himself up to a first strike.

Indeed, if he had attempted to leave the scene with a resolution, the man could as well have pulled out one of those concealed weapons you so like and shot both him and his girlfriend dead.

No, pumped up on adrenline and with the sentient portion of his mind still in control, he used the only option he had left to him.

He eliminated the threat, which you would have also done, if the man had attempted to assault you, but you would have killed the man, he simply rendered him incapable of using a melee or ranged assault method.

He handled the situation exactly as you would have had, with less lucky consquences.

And here you are, condeming him for taking exactly the course of action you would have.

He attempted to end the situation peacefully, so did you.

Sorry, in the eyes of the Law, Battery is not a viable solution to Assault...

There's a little something known as "Equal force" under the Law.

Had the guy hit him first, I would agree with you. That is not the case however.

Regards,
Gaar

I am nowhere near a lawyer, so I can't argue the law. However, it seems reasonable that the first swing and any other actions to subdue the other individual would be justifiable for self-defense. The other individual made it quite plain what his intentions were.

But judging from his discription of the fight, I don't think he will get much mercy from the law nor should he.

He did not have any such concealed weapon.

The aggressive stranger avoided several attempts at a peaceful resolution of the conflict, for all intents and purposes, he was a potential danger to both he and his girlfriend, neither had the peace of mind of hiding behind the crosshairs of a gun.

Indeed, what if the man assaulting you had carried such a concealed weapon, a violent crossfire could have killed both you, him, innocent by-standers and the occupants of the vehicle.

He attempted to end the confrontation peacefully.

He did not have your resources available to him.

He did everything you did, up to the point where instead of backing down, as in your situation, he continued to aggrevate the situation.

What more did you want him to do?

Turning his back to re-enter the vehicle would have been a tactical error that would have opened himself up to a first strike.

Indeed, if he had attempted to leave the scene with a resolution, the man could as well have pulled out one of those concealed weapons you so like and shot both him and his girlfriend dead.

No, pumped up on adrenline and with the sentient portion of his mind still in control, he used the only option he had left to him.

He eliminated the threat, which you would have also done, if the man had attempted to assault you, but you would have killed the man, he simply rendered him incapable of using a melee or ranged assault method.

He handled the situation exactly as you would have had, with less lucky consquences.

And here you are, condeming him for taking exactly the course of action you would have.

He attempted to end the situation peacefully, so did you.

Sorry but you are wrong.

I would have never hit him first.

That crosses the line. And that I am well prepared to confront someone, should the need arise, only points to how anyone not so prepared should not even stop and get out of their vehicle.

I admit that I shouldn't have even done what I did, but being equiped in the manner I am, I felt I could deal with it in a non-violent manner.

The Digital Video Recorder can be an amazingly affective deterent in these cases. Not to mention their worth should you be in an accident, which was first and foremost the reason I got one for the car.

Regards,
Gaar

Lets leave the law out of this.

The idiot should not have gotten away with what he said, especially after refusing several apologies.

Period.

Lets leave the law out of this.


Sure, why would we want to consider the Rule of Law!?!?

Because the law was founded by humans, and is therefor not perfect. Especially when being applied to real world situations.

Which is why a judge is allowed to interpret the law, because a single paragraph cannot cover every situation that might occur in the real world. Because a Judge is not here to interpret the law, it would be mute to try apply law in deciding whether or not his actions were correct or not.

Law is like Religion, a guide-line for human interaction on a social level, if it was all inclusive, we would not have judges nor priests to interpret.

Edit: Without our gut feelings, so guide us no matter how advanced and civilized we become, we are nothing but automatons.

Because the law was founded by humans, and is therefor not perfect. Especially when being applied to real world situations.

Which is why a judge is allowed to interpret the law, because a single paragraph cannot cover every situation that might occur in the real world,
Thank you was going to say something simmilar

(again not professing what he did was right ... rather that the law is not end all of right or wrong)

Because the law was founded by humans, and is therefor not perfect. Especially when being applied to real world situations.

Which is why a judge is allowed to interpret the law, because a single paragraph cannot cover every situation that might occur in the real world,

And so because it is imperfect we don't consider it?

I'll see how that one works if I am ever in need of a Lawful Defense...

I have ALREADY explained how I believe the Courts would look at the incident.

Yes there was an Assault, but that doesn't justify Battery.

Regards,
Gaar

Because the law was founded by humans, and is therefor not perfect. Especially when being applied to real world situations.

Which is why a judge is allowed to interpret the law, because a single paragraph cannot cover every situation that might occur in the real world. Because a Judge is not here to interpret the law, it would be mute to try apply law in deciding whether or not his actions were correct or not.

Law is like Religion, a guide-line for human interaction on a social level, if it was all inclusive, we would not have judges nor priests to interpret.

So you think words can be viable justification for injuring someone severely?

Do you realize the precedent that sets?

Thank you was going to say something simmilar

(again not professing what he did was right ... rather that the law is not end all of right or wrong)

Perhaps YOU would like to point that out to everyone sitting in Jail for breaking it?

Regards,
Gaar

No, not injuring one severely, I already spoke against his over use of force. :P

Sorry but you are wrong.

I would have never hit him first.

That crosses the line. And that I am well prepared to confront someone, should the need arise, only points to how anyone not so prepared should not even stop and get out of their vehicle.

I admit that I shouldn't have even done what I did, but being equiped in the manner I am, I felt I could deal with it in a non-violent manner.



::disgusted:: :eek: You'd "wing" him, would you?
There are other ways of being prepared to defend oneself than being prepared to commit murder. Yep, said it. You'd wing him and then you'd aim for the midsection - good chance you might kill the other guy, doing that. At least there's really not much chance that Pantera's going to beat anyone to death.
I am one of those prepared people, I do get out of my car, but I do not carry a weapon - unless you count a small pocketknife as a viable weapon, or unless someone was unwise enough to attempt assault when I was going somewhere where I happened to have my kendo gear in the backseat - but being so prepared for violence as you are seems to make you a little too eager to do some. I'd support Pantera in court long before I'd support someone who shot someone else.
I freely admit, I may well be a bit more actively defensive of myself than some, but I was still thinking that Pantera was at least partially at fault. I still do.
But it's people like you that scare me.

Perhaps YOU would like to point that out to everyone sitting in Jail for breaking it?

Regards,
Gaar
Dont have to ... they probably (at least some) agree that law does not always determine right or wrong

Sitting in jail after a judge's interpretation of the law is applied to their situation.

You are not a judge and are therefor unfit to interpret the law into this situation.

Dont have to ... they probably (at least some) agree that law does not always determine right or wrong

Oh I am sure they do...

Good thing the Courts don't agree with you, or them.

Regards,
Gaar

Sitting in jail after a judge's interpretation of the law is applied to their situation.

You are not a judge and are therefor unfit to interpret the law into this situation.

I don't know, the Law is fairly simple on this point.

I'm pretty sure that even YOU could interpret the Law in this case.

But then again, I may be wrong.

Regards,
Gaar

Oh I am sure they do...

Good thing the Courts don't agree with you, or them.

Regards,
Gaar
Ohh they do ... why do you think laws change? because people relize they are falable

(again you dont seem to wish to understand me ... I am not saying what he did was right I am saying laws are falable)

No, not injuring one severely, I already spoke against his over use of force. :P

It seems you are more concerned with the emotional effect of the guys words then the actual meaning of them. You seem to believe that since the guy said some pretty outrageous things that Pantera was justified in hitting him.

The only justification Pantera had was to subdue the individual after he was sure of those intentions. Any comment in which his girlfriend/wife was insulted does not matter and are not justification for striking him.

I don't know, the Law is fairly simple on this point.

I'm pretty sure that even YOU could interpret the Law in this case.

But then again, I may be wrong.

Regards,
Gaar
Now making personal insults … somebody is getting frustrated :p

In most states, they also recognize the concept of "fighting words".

But, you're better off calling a lawyer.

Ohh they do ... why do you think laws change? because people relize they are falable

(again you dont seem to wish to understand me ... I am not saying what he did was right I am saying laws are falable)

And I am saying that instead of ignoring them in some cases because we "feel" that it might not be "fair" isn't something we can do...

If you don't like the Law, change it... Otherwise you are subject to it.

Regards,
Gaar

In most states, they also recognize the concept of "fighting words".

But, you're better off calling a lawyer.
"Ya want to fight"

"Thems fightin words"

*comence yocal fight*

(sorry had to throw simpsons in there)

Now making personal insults … somebody is getting frustrated :p

Uh-oh, time to get out the video camera! :p

Your right, lets automate the courts and take out the human decision making, period.

And I am saying that instead of ignoring them in some cases because we "feel" that it might not be "fair" isn't something we can do...

If you don't like the Law, change it... Otherwise you are subject to it.

Regards,
Gaar
I never argued with that sentimant :p Just a lot of the other stuff you said :p

In most states, they also recognize the concept of "fighting words".

But, you're better off calling a lawyer.

Sorry, but I have NEVER heard such a thing ststed in "Legal terms"...

Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out just ONE instance from just one of those "most states"?

Thanks in advance,
Gaar

Uh-oh, time to get out the video camera! :p
LOL :fluffle:

Your right, lets automate the courts and take out the human decision making, period.

Something about "Mandatory Minimum Sentences" YOU don't understand?

Why is it we only apply such standards to our Drug Laws?

Now I am not saying I like them, but YOU seem to be saying that we don't even use them.

Regards,
Gaar

Uh-oh, time to get out the video camera! :p

Please do...

But I can guarantee I won't become violent... :p

Regards,
Gaar

I never argued with that sentimant :p Just a lot of the other stuff you said :p

What "other stuff"?!?!

would you mind pointing them out? Because what I just said is what I have been saying all along.

Regards,
Gaar

Okay, how about instead of police and judges administer the law, we let joe gaar smoe from the internet start locking people up. ;)

Okay, how about instead of police and judges administer the law, we let joe gaar smoe from the internet start locking people up. ;)

I would rather have him then you.

Okay, how about instead of police and judges administer the law, we let joe gaar smoe from the internet start locking people up. ;)

Do I get to "let out" all of those I don't think should be in Jail while I am at it?

If not, I don't want the job, but thanks anyway!

Regards,
Gaar

You are not a judge and are therefor unfit to interpret the law into this situation.

I'm certainly no expert, but isn't there some expectation or requirement to be "Judged by ones peers"? Which if true, may impart temporary judicial status on a group of common men and women, for the express purpose of making them defacto judges. In some cases without regard to their fitness for the position.

As a general comment on the thread. I fully appreciate how such events do occur, and sadly it is becoming more and more common. However, I imply no judgment since all ways and things are fine, some I prefer for myself.
Be well.

This morning my girlfriend and I went to breakfast. Chicken fried steak was awesome, and the morning was going well until we got back into the car to go home.

Leaving the restaurant parking lot I accidentally cut this guy off, forcing him to hit his breaks. There was no danger of an accident or any reason to get pissed off. I waved to the guy, mouthed 'I'm sorry' and tried to go about my business.

Instead, this dude hauls ass, swerves in front of our car and stops. So, I stop and the dude jumps out of the car. I also get out of my own car, and here's the dialogue:



So I hit him, and I hit him hard. Though I'm completely ashamed of myself, I lost it on this guy, completely and totally lost it. I'm a big guy, 6'4, 260. He was a little taller and weighed probably twenty more pounds than I do. I'm afraid of no man on this earth, but I'll say I was hesitant to tangle with him, because of his size, and because I simply didn't want to fight with him.

*shakes head* I must have hit him a hundred times before the guys behind us in traffic got to us to pull me away. By this time the guy is a bloody wreck, and is sobbing like a little girl. I asked him if he had anything else to say, but apparently he was all talked out.

We split fast, but I'm sure the cops were called. I'm kinda worried about that, but... fuck. I can take alot, but once he brought my girl into it, especially like that, he crossed the line and paid the price. I'm ashamed that I lost it, but at the same time I revelled in the fact that he tresspassed against me and I sat him straight...

I felt something rise up inside me. Something carnal and wild. I've been in alot of scraps in my day, but never like this. I hurt him, and I'm ashamed to say I liked it... alot.

I dunno. I'm not looking for vindication here, but I just felt like sharing. My girlfriend has never seen me mad like that, and I think it scared her. She's shook up about it, and I'm even more ashamed of myself because of it.

So, I took the day off, bought some beer and a bag of herb, and now I sit. I would write up some RP to soothe myself, but I'm afraid of what would come of it.

Thoughts?

-Pants

{{Edited to add: Let this be a warning to those of you who flip out on others on the road. You might be screaming and threatening someone like me...}}


You sure you didnt finger him or anything?

J/K this same sorta thing has happened to me, cept with a little chinese guy after I "cut him off" The guy chased me around, got out of his car at a light, i get out cept people start honking at us so i drive away. Then the guy continues to chase me untill i get really pissed off and pull into a startbucks where he literally runs at me cursing and gives me a little rabbit punch to the gut, which i did not feel at all to which i responded by giving him the people's elbow to the face, knocking him down and giving him a bloody lip. Then he gets up yelling " he hit me! he hit me! " then after he sees that no one gives a shit takes off in his suv screaming " your fucking dead~! in a weird high pitched girl voice" Of course i have to be a jackass by waving at him and grabbing my crotch...

Of course afterwards I realized that the guy, instead of giving me a rabbit punch could have stabbed me in the gut, then i didnt feel like a big man anymore...

The guy was really small too, maybe 5 4 140 pounds and i am a fairly big guy @ 6 feet 200 pounds (work out, your gf s would like a piece of me ;) )

You sure you didnt finger him or anything?

J/K this same sorta thing has happened to me, cept with a little chinese guy after I "cut him off" The guy chased me around, got out of his car at a light, i get out cept people start honking at us so i drive away. Then the guy continues to chase me untill i get really pissed off and pull into a startbucks where he literally runs at me cursing and gives me a little rabbit punch to the gut, which i did not feel at all to which i responded by giving him the people's elbow to the face, knocking him down and giving him a bloody lip. Then he gets up yelling " he hit me! he hit me! " then after he sees that no one gives a shit takes off in his suv screaming " your fucking dead~! in a weird high pitched girl voice" Of course i have to be a jackass by waving at him and grabbing my crotch...

Of course afterwards I realized that the guy, instead of giving me a rabbit punch could have stabbed me in the gut, then i didnt feel like a big man anymore...

The guy was really small too, maybe 5 4 140 pounds and i am a fairly big guy @ 6 feet 200 pounds (work out, your gf s would like a piece of me ;) )

Now that I have no problem with, you used "equal force" and he instigated the violence.

That's quite a bit different than the story that started this thread.

Regards,
Gaar

i wouldn't have stopped. i would have let him stop, pulled into the next lane and passed him.

but then i'm also a girl... i'm not about to enter into stupid confrontations with guys who double my weight.

Now that I have no problem with, you used "equal force" and he instigated the violence.

That's quite a bit different than the story that started this thread.

Regards,
Gaar


that is true, if the first poster "punched" the guy first and then proceeded to beat the fuck out of the guy after getting yelled at....

helloooo felony..

but, the guy would probably be too ashamed to go to the cops though...

i wouldn't have stopped. i would have let him stop, pulled into the next lane and passed him.

but then i'm also a girl... i'm not about to enter into stupid confrontations with guys who double my weight.

Size doesn't matter...

Size doesn't matter...
i'm still not going to deal with some asshole who's pissed off if i can avoid it. if he follows me, i'll drive to a police station and let him follow me there and then walk in to report that this guy's following me and seems rather pissed off that i unintentionally cut him off and he keeps trying to force me to the side of the road to confront me. let them deal with that, or at least there will be enough cops around to convince him that it's not a wise place to get upset or waiting around there will give him enough time to cool down.

oh, and also, the guy who went off on pantera would probably have got the piss beat out of him at some point by someone if he's going off about such trivial things.

i wouldn't have stopped. i would have let him stop, pulled into the next lane and passed him.

but then i'm also a girl... i'm not about to enter into stupid confrontations with guys who double my weight.


good idea,

in my city here, a roadrage story was all over the news where some knucklehead chased after a chick, dragged her out and beat the crap out of her...

Leaving the restaurant parking lot I accidentally cut this guy off, forcing him to hit his breaks. There was no danger of an accident or any reason to get pissed off. I waved to the guy, mouthed 'I'm sorry' and tried to go about my business.

Mouthing "I'm Sorry" and Mouth "Fuck You" are virtually identical to anyone looking at you from another car.

I have to disagree with Urantia II. Unless Pantera is lying about something, Pantera only made three mistakes:
Not having a camera on hand (though most people don't have this degree of foresight; I, myself, don't carry a camera with me all the time).
Getting out of the car (a careless mistake, but an honest mistake).
Besting the guy up more than is safely necessary to ward of further attacks.

Even this third point is difficult to judge without video footage of the fight. From the description, it sounds like Pantera's opponent was very irrational and violent. In particular, he did explicitly threaten Pantera and his girlfriend. There is reason to believe that Pantera's opponent would have attacked first and it's quite possible that Pantera would have been incapacitated in the initial blow.

The Gun would never have been pulled unless and until he had physically attacked me or someone else.

Then it gets pulled and he is warned to stop or be shot.

If he continues, I "wing" him. If that doesn't stop him, the second shot goes to the mid-section.
Forgive my ignorance of combat techniques, but this sounds dangerously infeasible. A gun is a ranged weapon and it's easy* to disarm someone with a gun at melee range. If you pulled a gun at melee range, wouldn't your opponent just grab the gun from you and shoot you?

If you have military or police experience and/or you're trained in both armed and unarmed combat, then this becomes a feasible plan. However, we can't assume the same holds for Pantera.

* ...depending upon strength, dexterity, and training....

Of course afterwards I realized that the guy, instead of giving me a rabbit punch could have stabbed me in the gut, then i didnt feel like a big man anymore...
I have to agree with this bit of self-reflection. If you allow your opponent to strike first, then unless you're successful at deflecting, parrying, or otherwise avoiding the blow, you could be incapacitated or killed immediately.

Now that I have no problem with, you used "equal force" and he instigated the violence.

That's quite a bit different than the story that started this thread.
I disagree.

As soon as someone starts talking about inflicting harm upon someone, then I consider that person to have instigated the violence.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

Forgive my ignorance of combat techniques, but this sounds dangerously infeasible. A gun is a ranged weapon and it's easy* to disarm someone with a gun at melee range. If you pulled a gun at melee range, wouldn't your opponent just grab the gun from you and shoot you?


Like I said, he would have to hit me first.

After that, I would do what was necessary, be it fall to the ground (I think you might be amazed at how well falling to the ground can work in pulling a concealed weapon) or gain distance between us in some other manner and only then would I pull the gun, while announcing my intention of using it if he didn't cease and desist.

I am not stupid and know that my first action should never be to go for the gun, but to show submissiveness unless and until its use became necessary. This has all been very well thought through on my part, and I would suggest that, unless someone has done that same thing (thought through how they would react in any given situation) they shouldn't consider the use of such a weapon.

And without the use of such a weapon, I am not sure I would put myself or a loved one in a situation that could escalate to violence. And therefore my critique of the original situation described here.

Regards,
Gaar

Like I said, he would have to hit me first.

After that, I would do what was necessary, be it fall to the ground (I think you might be amazed at how well falling to the ground can work in pulling a concealed weapon) or gain distance between us in some other manner and only then would I pull the gun, while announcing my intention of using it if he didn't cease and desist.

I am not stupid and know that my first action should never be to go for the gun, but to show submissiveness unless and until its use became necessary. This has all been very well thought through on my part, and I would suggest that, unless someone has done that same thing (thought through how they would react in any given situation) they shouldn't consider the use of such a weapon.

And without the use of such a weapon, I am not sure I would put myself or a loved one in a situation that could escalate to violence. And therefore my critique of the original situation described here.

Regards,
Gaar

hmm i always thought that whether it be cops, army or whatever, they teach you to hit the main part of the body. Getting shot in chest = not good.

hmm i always thought that whether it be cops, army or whatever, they teach you to hit the main part of the body. Getting shot in chest = not good.

And hence the reason that is where the second shot would go...

The first would be to show him I am serious about using the weapon and that it is indeed loaded and ready to use. My intent is not to kill him, if I don't have to.

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

Have you ever read Billy Budd?
If not, give it a shot.. it's a really short play.

I understand an action being taken. The intentions were right in your face, and this guy didn't seem to be just making talk. I doubt he would have seriously done something to your girlfriend, but comments like that shouldn't be taken lightly, because they COULD be true, and just the fact that she had nothing to do with it. I think that you should maybe learn pinning techniques and the short, to disarm someone without hurting them so much. I don't know how law would handle you pinning someone, but not one got really hurt, and maybe after being pinned for a while he would calm down or something. Other than knowing pinning techniques and trying to be peaceful, I can understand a blew temporarily disabling blows. The question then is, after he recovers will he pursuit you, or will he finally back off. Beating him until he was crying probably wasn't smart and I am not sure if he deserved it(I wasn't there). Urantia II was well prepared to avoid a fight, but the truth is that I bet 98% or more of the population don't keep cameras in their cars (though that is a good idea, so I thank you for mentioning it). You just have to resort to what you have at the time I suppose.

Urantia II

Have you ever read Billy Budd?
If not, give it a shot.. it's a really short play.

I understand an action being taken. The intentions were right in your face, and this guy didn't seem to be just making talk. I doubt he would have seriously done something to your girlfriend, but comments like that shouldn't be taken lightly, because they COULD be true, and just the fact that she had nothing to do with it. I think that you should maybe learn pinning techniques and the short, to disarm someone without hurting them so much. I don't know how law would handle you pinning someone, but not one got really hurt, and maybe after being pinned for a while he would calm down or something. Other than knowing pinning techniques and trying to be peaceful, I can understand a blew temporarily disabling blows. The question then is, after he recovers will he pursuit you, or will he finally back off. Beating him until he was crying probably wasn't smart and I am not sure if he deserved it(I wasn't there). Urantia II was well prepared to avoid a fight, but the truth is that I bet 98% or more of the population don't keep cameras in their cars (though that is a good idea, so I thank you for mentioning it). You just have to resort to what you have at the time I suppose.

And what if the story had been that the guy actually gets the best of him and then takes and rapes his girlfriend? Would all of you be congratulating him for his actions then?

Fact is, he PUT his GIRLFRIEND in harms way BY STOPPING, when he could have just drove off.

I would suggest that if you aren't equiped for such a confrontation then you shouldn't put yourself in it, plain and simple.

Regards,
Gaar

And what if the story had been that the guy actually gets the best of him and then takes and rapes his girlfriend? Would all of you be congratulating him for his actions then?

Fact is, he PUT his GIRLFRIEND in harms way BY STOPPING, when he could have just drove off.

I would suggest that if you aren't equiped for such a confrontation then you shouldn't put yourself in it, plain and simple.

Regards,
Gaar

Actually he made it clear that the guy parked his car in front of his vehicle. (I'm assuming crossways.)

Plus he was trying to apologize for cutting the guy off.

Assuming of course that he didn't mentally rewrite his memories, which is possible, it sounds to me like the guy asked for it.

Actually he made it clear that the guy parked his car in front of his vehicle. (I'm assuming crossways.)

Plus he was trying to apologize for cutting the guy off.

Assuming of course that he didn't mentally rewrite his memories, which is possible, it sounds to me like the guy asked for it.

I would assume that, since he had just cut the guy off (his own admission) that he wasn't likely blocked in all directions and could have simply backed up and driven off, but I may be wrong.

I would also suggest that he didn't need to exit his car and could have just locked the doors and not confronted the other driver...

But then he wouldn't have looked as "Macho" as he wants to in front of his girlfriend, which I guess has to be a consideration when putting her life in danger...?!?! :confused:

Regards,
Gaar

You did the right thing, saying sorry and trying to get him to just brush it off, and once he threatened to attack you and kidnap your girl, you had every right to have hit him.

Beating him to a bloody pulp wans't necessary, I would have just floored (or grounded) him and drove off.

Well, looks like Pantera either had to go, or HAD to go... Someone may have gotten a liscense number from his car!

Perhaps we are going to hear about the Second part of this story, in a few days, when he has been released on Bail bond...

Then we can all Judge for ourselves if it was actually "worth it" to do what he did. Maybe he'll even be kind enough to break it down for us "per punch"!

:rolleyes:

Regards,
Gaar

Well, looks like Pantera either had to go, or HAD to go... Someone may have gotten a liscense number from his car!

Perhaps we are going to hear about the Second part of this story, in a few days, when he has been released on Bail bond...

Then we can all Judge for ourselves if it was actually "worth it" to do what he did. Maybe he'll even be kind enough to break it down for us "per punch"!

:rolleyes:

Regards,
Gaar


You are out of line here, and attempting to bait Pantera.
Knock it off.

You are out of line here, and attempting to bait Pantera.
Knock it off.
The sad this is even I! dident find it funny ... woah must have been a really bad attempt :fluffle:

I have to disagree with Urantia II. Unless Pantera is lying about something, Pantera only made three mistakes:
Not having a camera on hand (though most people don't have this degree of foresight; I, myself, don't carry a camera with me all the time).
Getting out of the car (a careless mistake, but an honest mistake).
Besting the guy up more than is safely necessary to ward of further attacks.

Even this third point is difficult to judge without video footage of the fight. From the description, it sounds like Pantera's opponent was very irrational and violent. In particular, he did explicitly threaten Pantera and his girlfriend. There is reason to believe that Pantera's opponent would have attacked first and it's quite possible that Pantera would have been incapacitated in the initial blow.


Forgive my ignorance of combat techniques, but this sounds dangerously infeasible. A gun is a ranged weapon and it's easy* to disarm someone with a gun at melee range. If you pulled a gun at melee range, wouldn't your opponent just grab the gun from you and shoot you?

If you have military or police experience and/or you're trained in both armed and unarmed combat, then this becomes a feasible plan. However, we can't assume the same holds for Pantera.

* ...depending upon strength, dexterity, and training....



Well I am trained in unarmed combat (4th degree backbelt and did a stint as co training officer for a local police/swat acadamy)

As for unarming it is easy if you do the moves right but unless you are quick and sure the chance of an accidental misfire is very high (hence the sharp quick movements not a wrestling match)

General rule, someone makes a viable threat to hurt you and RAPE someone, you react.

This is especially important in close-up situations, where someone can knock you out with a lucky punch, before you can react.

Now, me, I'd tell the girl to get the hell out of there, to call the cops, then make sure the guy can't follow her. Being that I doubt I could have kicked the guy's butt (I'm hardly a wuss, but I'm so out of practice and out of shape lately... egh), I'd stick with trying to slow him down and give him a bleeding wound if he does in fact attack me, so he'll lose energy for later things. Maybe bite him in the arm with what teeth I have left, and rip some flesh off.

Personally, this makes me glad I don't drive. Never had to deal with road rage.

General rule, someone makes a viable threat to hurt you and RAPE someone, you react.

This is especially important in close-up situations, where someone can knock you out with a lucky punch, before you can react.

Now, me, I'd tell the girl to get the hell out of there, to call the cops, then make sure the guy can't follow her. Being that I doubt I could have kicked the guy's butt (I'm hardly a wuss, but I'm so out of practice and out of shape lately... egh), I'd stick with trying to slow him down and give him a bleeding wound if he does in fact attack me, so he'll lose energy for later things. Maybe bite him in the arm with what teeth I have left, and rip some flesh off.

Personally, this makes me glad I don't drive. Never had to deal with road rage.
I havent either ... small town minnesota :p

This morning my girlfriend and I went to breakfast. Chicken fried steak was awesome, and the morning was going well until we got back into the car to go home.

Leaving the restaurant parking lot I accidentally cut this guy off, forcing him to hit his breaks. There was no danger of an accident or any reason to get pissed off. I waved to the guy, mouthed 'I'm sorry' and tried to go about my business.

Instead, this dude hauls ass, swerves in front of our car and stops. So, I stop and the dude jumps out of the car. I also get out of my own car, and here's the dialogue:



So I hit him, and I hit him hard. Though I'm completely ashamed of myself, I lost it on this guy, completely and totally lost it. I'm a big guy, 6'4, 260. He was a little taller and weighed probably twenty more pounds than I do. I'm afraid of no man on this earth, but I'll say I was hesitant to tangle with him, because of his size, and because I simply didn't want to fight with him.

*shakes head* I must have hit him a hundred times before the guys behind us in traffic got to us to pull me away. By this time the guy is a bloody wreck, and is sobbing like a little girl. I asked him if he had anything else to say, but apparently he was all talked out.

We split fast, but I'm sure the cops were called. I'm kinda worried about that, but... fuck. I can take alot, but once he brought my girl into it, especially like that, he crossed the line and paid the price. I'm ashamed that I lost it, but at the same time I revelled in the fact that he tresspassed against me and I sat him straight...

I felt something rise up inside me. Something carnal and wild. I've been in alot of scraps in my day, but never like this. I hurt him, and I'm ashamed to say I liked it... alot.

I dunno. I'm not looking for vindication here, but I just felt like sharing. My girlfriend has never seen me mad like that, and I think it scared her. She's shook up about it, and I'm even more ashamed of myself because of it.

So, I took the day off, bought some beer and a bag of herb, and now I sit. I would write up some RP to soothe myself, but I'm afraid of what would come of it.

Thoughts?

-Pants

{{Edited to add: Let this be a warning to those of you who flip out on others on the road. You might be screaming and threatening someone like me...}}

I'm from the south, so you pretty much know my response. Hell, we get in fights in bars over a spilled drink, even if its not your own. So, in your case, I'd say the jackass had it coming. Honestly,I can't even pretend to have been able to handle it like you did. I probably would have been ready to fight as soon as he jumped out of the car.

Fact, I had my buddy Drake with me one day (yes, like the duck), and a guy cuts me off. Now, I am taking a girl I know to the health clinic for a pregnancy test (wouldnt've been mine btw), and I don't really worry about it, even though I have notorious road rage and am by far the most aggressive of my friends, and I don't mean in terms of talk. Well, Drake flicks the guy off. The guy actually stops dead in front of me in the middle of the highway, and I an't pull aound him because of traffic onn the right, and because he getting out of the car on the left. The guy stands at the hood of my car, screaming obscenities. normally I would've gladly taken the challenge, but I'd just been released from pre-trial intervention after an assault charge. Plus, the guy had to have been 45 or 50 years old. I roll down the window and tell the guy to just get back in his car before we all get arrested. He spits on my truck in response. Now, my truck ain't that great, but it's my TRUCK. See, here we really like our trucks. Doesn't make much sense but that's how it is. Now I'm getting pretty pissed, because I really like my truck and he just spit on it. I lean out the window and tell him if he doesn't get out of the way real quick I'm going to move him with the 300hp V8 under my hood. His response is to tell me that he'll "shoot my ass," followed by informing me that he is going to blow the hell out of the girl inthe back seat too, but not with a gun. Unfortunately, I got slightly angry. In fact, I saw red. Add that to the fact that I'm not a small guy, 6'0 220lbs., and that Drake outweighs me by 40 lbs. and is about 3 inches shorter, and you've got 2 really pissed of fellows who aren't much interested in a fair fight at the moment. We both jump out, and the guy apparently decides that since I'm smaller he'll try to take me out quick. Unfortunately for him, ever since I got my jaw broken by a pool cue, punching me in the face don't hurt nearly as much. He split my lip good, but after that it kinda went blurry. All I know is about 30 seconds later Drake has me lifted up in the air from behind, draggin me back to the car, tellin me the cops are probably on the way. He never even got to hit the guy. Meanwhile, Ashlin was goin nuts because she had apparently just taken 6 CCCs, which I thought was pretty dumb if she thought she was pregnant. Anyways, I can't blame ya for tearin the guy apart. He used fightin words, and that's all the justification you need. But if you really are worried about appearing to be too violent, then having him insult a woman in your presence sure helps.

I used to fight with anything that moved. Guys and girls. I didn't care who big they were. That didn't mean I always won, but I never ran. After I hit my thirties I calmed down a bit. Though verbal confrontatuins are still common.

Some guy was playing his car stereo at an outrageuos volume at the gas station. I walked over to him and told him that "Did it ever occur to you not everyone wants to listen to your choice of music?" He just gave me a dirty look and got back in his car. He waited until I left and followed me and my mom. Mom was kind of freaked out but I told her "were going to the jail to visit Ayton "(my brother). It's next door to the police station. Sure enough, he stopped following us when we drove up there.

Haha, nice.

I've only read the first post (because I'm a lazy guy). But its not so much that you decked the guy that I have a problem with, but that you felt the need to beat him up proper as well.

call me a cynic, but i don't believe the initial incident ever happened. it's not that i don't believe in road rage, it's just that i tend to doubt any stories i read on the internet about self-described heroic, large, buff, honorable fellows who thoroughly thrash men larger than themselves in defense of their womenfolk.

however, if the story was true, then there's only one thing that interests me: what the hell kind of a shitty girlfriend would just sit in the car while her boyfriend goes out of control like that? she's got no spine, that one, and i don't truck with helpless, meek females.

I would dumb that kind of jerk in a second.

Well in England you'd have the defence of provocation............ :D

I get annoyed when slower drivers cut in front of me (especially in the left lane) and i often go around them, but never would I slam on the brakes.. or jump out of the car and pick a fight.

I am annoyed for about two seconds, maybe shout something at my windshield (lol), drive around them, and just keep going.

In my case, shouting at my windshield is therapeutic. hehe

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Thank you kind sir :fluffle:

A friend of mine who works as a jailer in my town has been listening around to the local cops, and apparently they were called, but after speaking with a few people who watched the incident, apparently decided the guy had it coming or was just not worth their time. The guy himself got patched up by the paramedics and drove away from the scene, so I didn't hurt him or anything...

Still kind of worried about it, but, meh.

Once again, I feel kinda bad for acting the way I did, but I do not apologize for acting.

I -do- own a gun, and I know how to shoot it quite well. I also own a video camera. Am I going to begin carrying either one because some assholes on the road occasionally start shit? No. Will I be more careful when arguing with said assholes on the road? Probably, but once again, a slight against a lady will never go unpunished in my hearing, nor will a threat against me or mine. That is simply unacceptable.

call me a cynic, but i don't believe the initial incident ever happened. it's not that i don't believe in road rage, it's just that i tend to doubt any stories i read on the internet about self-described heroic, large, buff, honorable fellows who thoroughly thrash men larger than themselves in defense of their womenfolk.

*yawn* Listen, bud, I've got no reason to boast about how hardcore or 'heroic' I am. In fact, heroism never came into it. Why would I care if all of you faceless people out there think I'm tough? My Reaver 'boasts' are tough enough to garner a fair amount of respect from my on-line friends, so my RL business is exactly that. My life is a hole and kicking the shit out of some random guy won't change that, nor would making it up to impress thousands of NS geeks ;)

As for my girlfriend being 'meek' or 'spineless' sitting in the car while I went apeshit on this guy, I would say this comment is almost assinine. Would you expect her to jump out and tackle me off the guy? Seems like a good way to get a wild punch to the face, or injured, especiallly as she is small and petite, while we were both large, beefy guys. The best play for her was definately to stay in the car and wait it out.

Anyway: Thanks for listening, everyone. Hopefully this is the last any of us will ever hear of it.

-Pants

PS: Thanks for keeping it clean, Cog.

As for my girlfriend being 'meek' or 'spineless' sitting in the car while I went apeshit on this guy, I would say this comment is almost assinine.

Would you also think it "assinine" to suggest that you are correct that it had nothing to do with heroism, and in fact by stopping the car and getting out you actually endangered her in ways that you wouldn't have if you hadn't stopped?

What if the guy had a gun himself?

Regards,
Gaar

Would you also think it "assinine" to suggest that you are correct that it had nothing to do with heroism, and in fact by stopping the car and getting out you actually endangered her in ways that you wouldn't have if you hadn't stopped?

What if the guy had a gun himself?

Regards,
Gaar

No, considering I didn't think about the act at all, I don't think I was trying to do anything heroic or anything like it. I got out to talk with the guy, he starts with the insults and threats, very animatedly I might add, all the while trying to loom intimidatingly.

And again, the guy swerved in front of me in traffic. There was no way for me to drive around him or back up. I guess I could have sat in the car and said 'Nya nya nya, you can't get me!' through the window while he freaked out on the outside of the car, but when I stepped out of my car I didn't actually think the guy wanted shit.

So, no, I don't think so. The guy trapped me, started shit, and I did what I had to do. I guess I could have let him continue to rattle off insults at me and my girl, or to hit me first... Both of which seem....

-Pants

No, considering I didn't think about the act at all, I don't think I was trying to do anything heroic or anything like it. I got out to talk with the guy, he starts with the insults and threats, very animatedly I might add, all the while trying to loom intimidatingly.

And again, the guy swerved in front of me in traffic. There was no way for me to drive around him or back up. I guess I could have sat in the car and said 'Nya nya nya, you can't get me!' through the window while he freaked out on the outside of the car, but when I stepped out of my car I didn't actually think the guy wanted shit.

So, no, I don't think so. The guy trapped me, started shit, and I did what I had to do. I guess I could have let him continue to rattle off insults at me and my girl, or to hit me first... Both of which seem....

-Pants

I am left to wonder how you "got away" after the incident, if indeed you were "blocked" by his car and he was in no condition to move it "after" the incident?

Regards,
Gaar

I am left to wonder how you "got away" after the incident, if indeed you were "blocked" by his car and he was in no condition to move it "after" the incident?

Regards,
Gaar

After the incident I was quite eager to get away and simply bounced over the curb and fled through a parking lot. Beforehand the thought never occured to me, because like I said, I didn't really think anything would come of it besides a little arguing.

After the incident I was quite eager to get away and simply bounced over the curb and fled through a parking lot. Beforehand the thought never occured to me, because like I said, I didn't really think anything would come of it besides a little arguing.

Understood...

Was just curious how you found a "way out" after the fact that wasn't there before it began.

I believe I have made my point about not agreeing with what you did, and I will leave it at that.

Regards,
Gaar