NationStates Jolt Archive


Why the slant in presentation for the NationState policies?

The Lordship of Sauron
10-03-2005, 16:37
I just kinda jumped into this game about 2 weeks back.

I love the premise, and it's interesting to see how, theoretically (at least to the author) certain choices would influence a nation's standing, statistically and otherwise! I look forward to each of the "choices" that get thrown at me, and generally just try to mix it up - see what comes out.

I've noticed, however, that in the vast majority of cases, what could be taken as the "conservative" choice has a negative cast to it, while the others are more even-keeled.

For example, the "language" premise-

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"Fluency in foreign languages is imperative to education," says Professor Konrad Trax of The Lordship of Sauron University. "Learning a new tongue not only gives a child a practical, marketable skill, but also encourages compassion and understanding of foreign cultures. With so many nations in the world, I do insist that we increase government funding in these areas and make it a compulsory part of the curriculum. As we say in Ancient Maxtopian: Froggug sederty bungo-bungo!"

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"To be frank, the need for outsiders' speak doesn't appeal to me in the slightest!" claims Pete Longfellow, a fierce patriot. "Making our children learn these languages is an affront to the basic civil rights of The Lordship of Sauron! What's more, this will encourage those damn foreigners to come here and take our jobs! I for one, will not stand for it! We can drop that area of education; it'll give us tax payers a bit of a breather for once. I've always said that we don't need any others but our own!"
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Without even breaking a sweat, I can re-write the second option so that it doesn't make you into a huge ass for choosing it:

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"To be frank, the so-called need to learn other languages doesn't seem to be that critical!" claims Pete Longfellow, a fierce patriot. "Making our children learn these languages seems like a meaningless requirement! Why can't we spend the money in question training our own citizens to be productive at their chosen vocation? I for one, will not stand for this movement! We can drop that area of education; it'll give us tax payers a bit of a breather for once. I don't see why people should be forced to learn a language that's not even ours."
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It's basically the same idea, but without the rediculous "damn foreigners" comment, which I found to be in completely bad taste, and the "don't need any others but our own", which attaches a rather elitist mindset to the mere idea of not requiring other languages. We're not talking about a BAN, in this choice, just a non-requirement - it seems rather overkill to marry that simple option to such a load of baggage as you find in the original choice.

I suppose I feel that there are plenty of rational reasons, often enough, for picking the "conservative" choice - but they're often worded in the most laughably rediculous way!

In much the same vein, I can also turn the first option into just as much concentrated ridiculousness as the second one originally was:

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"Fluency in foreign languages is a must-have for education," says Professor Konrad Trax of The Lordship of Sauron University. "If you have no desire to learn other tongues, then you have no place in my University! With so many nations in the world, I require that we increase government funding in these areas and make it a compulsory part of the curriculum. And if we make it a requirement for hiring into the workforce, we'll have a success on our hands! Let's see anyone refuse to diversify when faced with a jobless existance! As we say in Ancient Maxtopian: Froggug sederty bungo-bungo!"
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I suppose I wouldn't mind so much if ALL the choices were written tongue-in-cheek, or if ALL the options were given a very neutral stance - but that's just not the case, in the majority of the "issues" that come up for my NationState.

Is there a reason (besides the most obvious hypothesis - that the author has a political bent that influences the way he words the issues) this is so?

No big deal why or how, it just makes me wonder.
Apuleans
10-03-2005, 16:43
I've found the same thing with the liberal views too. I want to give the nation more freedoms, but it seems my choices are all or nothing. Just now I voted on school uniforms, and because I decided against uniforms, the kids can now go to school in anything, or nothing.
Euroslavia
10-03-2005, 16:45
Majority of the issues are satirical. You would probably understand better if you read some of his books.
The Lordship of Sauron
10-03-2005, 16:46
I agree! Sometimes they just make me laugh, they're so far-out. That's a FINE thing - I like laughing, and some are just a riot - but it'd be more enjoyable if you weren't presented with choices such as:

"What I want, but is going to be stupid"
and
"Not what I want, but it's the only logical choice"

I've noticed that the conservative side of the argument gets the "silly" treatment more often than not tho'?
Teh Cameron Clan
10-03-2005, 16:50
i just pick one and go to the forums -.- :P
Czechundistand
10-03-2005, 16:52
I really only enjoy problems with three or more choices, as almost all of the one-or-the-other problems lack the gray area in which a better soulution may lie.
You Forgot Poland
10-03-2005, 17:29
Come on. Everybody gets the sharp end of the satire, because most of the time the choices are between extremes. So usually, all sides of the issue wind up looking like cartoons. I mean think about how often you get three options proposed by "Rev. J. Jacob Jefferson Harding," "Milton Warbucks, CEO and President of a coffeeshop/arms manufacturing cartel," and "Shaney Rainbow, cosecretary of the Bigtopian treehugging and granola-making association." I can remember only one instance where one of the choices was "an old man on a park bench with a centrist opinion."

I don't think there's much slant, because both left and right are shown in very exaggerated lights.
San haiti
10-03-2005, 17:32
Max Barry wrote the original issues and I think he is fairly, what you guys from the US call "liberal". I suppose everyone who wrote the newer issues copied him. Though it is his website so you cant really blame him.
Urantia II
10-03-2005, 18:30
Majority of the issues are satirical. You would probably understand better if you read some of his books.

And hence why it is best to just "dismiss" most Issues...

Which, in my mind, is saying you will LET the Social structure work it out for itself and the Government is not going to become involved, any more than they already are.

A TRUE Conservative stand, I believe.

Regards,
Gaar
Vittos Ordination
10-03-2005, 18:34
I rarely check the issues for my nation anymore (I am a pure Generalite), but when I did, I clicked "dismiss" 2/3 of the time. Every choice seemed to be ridiculous for a lot of them.
Urantia II
10-03-2005, 18:34
And hence why it is best to just "dismiss" most Issues...

Which, in my mind, is saying you will LET the Social structure work it out for itself and the Government is not going to become involved, any more than they already are.

A TRUE Conservative stand, I believe.

Regards,
Gaar

What I find a bit lopsided is how a Government that has NEVER done anything but uphold Civil Liberties and is rated as Superb, Excellent or World Benchmark on each of the 3 standings is described as a "corrupt Government"?!?!

I think that is showing your Liberal bias just a bit too much...

Regards,
Gaar
You Forgot Poland
10-03-2005, 18:43
The "dismiss" button is for wussies.
Tanara
10-03-2005, 18:50
I disagree that the 'dismiss' button is for wussies.

Some of the issues have no reasonable solution offered - you can tell that if you chose any of the offered solutions your nation is going to suffer.

The dismiss option is a nation saver ( that said I will say that I use it less than 20 % of the time )
Occidio Multus
10-03-2005, 19:02
The "dismiss" button is for wussies.
no way. what do you think real governments do half the time?
Occidio Multus
10-03-2005, 19:03
And hence why it is best to just "dismiss" most Issues...

Which, in my mind, is saying you will LET the Social structure work it out for itself and the Government is not going to become involved, any more than they already are.

A TRUE Conservative stand, I believe.

Regards,
Gaar
true. hey- you are one of those serious types, eh?
Vittos Ordination
10-03-2005, 19:04
I rarely check the issues for my nation anymore (I am a pure Generalite), but when I did, I clicked "dismiss" 2/3 of the time. Every choice seemed to be ridiculous for a lot of them.

I like to quote myself.
Occidio Multus
10-03-2005, 19:05
I like to quote myself.
i like to quote you.
Vittos Ordination
10-03-2005, 19:07
i like to quote you.

I like to quote you, too.


THREADJACK SPAM ALERT!!!!


my apologies
Sdaeriji
10-03-2005, 19:09
What I find a bit lopsided is how a Government that has NEVER done anything but uphold Civil Liberties and is rated as Superb, Excellent or World Benchmark on each of the 3 standings is described as a "corrupt Government"?!?!

I think that is showing your Liberal bias just a bit too much...

Regards,
Gaar

Get over yourself. It's just a game, and if you're too joyless to get that, then that's pathetic.
You Forgot Poland
10-03-2005, 21:41
I disagree that the 'dismiss' button is for wussies.

Some of the issues have no reasonable solution offered - you can tell that if you chose any of the offered solutions your nation is going to suffer.

The dismiss option is a nation saver ( that said I will say that I use it less than 20 % of the time )

Who are you? The EU? Some kind of flaming Democrat? You can't just ignore your problems and hope they go away! No way! Sometimes politics is picking the lesser (or, some other times, the greater) of three or more pretty evil evils!!1!

Here at the YFP, we play hardball. No new taxes, no regulations, and NO skirting the issues. The dismiss button is the refuge of the fence-sitter; the waffler's friend; the secret weapon of those committed to half-measures. Well, half-committed, anyway.