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Dan Rather just gave his last broadcast as anchor of CBS news. Now I can't stand the man, but I'll give him one thing, he didn't bust into weepy tears like that big pussy Brokaw.

True, his final monologue made no sense whatsoever, but he did manage to keep a professional (ie not crying and whining like a big girl) demenour thorughout.

Dan Rather, even though you are an insane partisan hack, I salute you not participating in the vapid melodramatics that is so much of todays society. Like crying during the news (Yes Walter Cronkhite, I am looking at you, and you too brokaw).

Did you hear Cronkite backhand Rather in the news?

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/03/08/cronkite_praises_rathers_replacement/

Kind of funny.

At last, no longer will Rather's communist lies and rhetoric spew forth from the idiot box.

At last, no longer will Rather's communist lies and rhetoric spew forth from the idiot box.

Well, there's always Moyers, if we get nostalgic.

Anybody else turn in to watch it?

At last, no longer will Rather's communist lies and rhetoric spew forth from the idiot box.
Now if we could only shut Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly the fuck up

Now if we could only shut Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly the fuck up
I say we go a step further, and not allow humans to be anchormen/women. We must carefully construct nonpartisan robots to deliver our non-biased news in a properly metallic and unfeeling tone.

Now if we could only shut Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly the fuck up

Agreed. Neocons are just as bad as communists.

I say we go a step further, and not allow humans to be anchormen/women. We must carefully construct nonpartisan robots to deliver our non-biased news in a properly metallic and unfeeling tone.

Agreed. We can't run the risk of someone having an opinion that someone else might disagree with. That would lead to anarchy. Now, all bow before the glory of the hypnotoad!

http://logo.cafepress.com/7/112417.gif

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!

I can never watch Blather. The sight of his face sickens me. His lies are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Nicaraguans.

Agreed. We can't run the risk of someone having an opinion that someone else might disagree with. That would lead to anarchy. Now, all bow before the glory of the hypnotoad!

http://logo.cafepress.com/7/112417.gif

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!

All. Hail. The. Hyp.no.toad.

I can never watch Blather. The sight of his face sickens me. His lies are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Nicaraguans.
The only reason I watched him is b/c as an aspiring journalist, I just felt like turning in to watch a milestone in American media progression

*bows before the glory of the hypnotoad*

Agreed. We can't run the risk of someone having an opinion that someone else might disagree with. That would lead to anarchy. Now, all bow before the glory of the hypnotoad!

http://logo.cafepress.com/7/112417.gif

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
I'd rather watch the hypnotoad than most news networks.

I watched Peter Jennings, in full security of knowing that Dan Rather has his presence cleansed from the airwaves. Unfortunatly, CBS may be negotiating with NBC to give the job to Katie Couric. Rather had an agenda, but at least he was smart. Katie Couric, on the other hand, is unbearably stupid and grossly overpaid.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/merged.jpg with Dan Rather's Last Broascast on Evening News

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/merged.jpg
with Dan Rather's Last Broascast on Evening News

Wow, that's a pretty spiffy little merged icon, Fris.

I'd rather watch the hypnotoad than most news networks.
The hypnotoad has quite a sparkling wit, and cuts a rather dashing figure, I'd say. Who wouldn't want to watch the hypnotoad?

*stares intently at the hypnotoad*

Wow, that's a pretty spiffy little merged icon, Fris.
Oh, Fris has loads of cool stuff like that, or at least it seems so from the neat little lock icons I've seen him use.

Go Fris!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/modedit.jpg Thanks. Part of a set. ~~ Fris

Agreed. Neocons are just as bad as communists.

Then again, Coulter, O'Reilley, and Hannity aren't responsible for thousands of deaths, like Rather is. *cough*Nicaragua*cough*

http://ssfuturama.wz.cz/info/characters/pic/morbo.gif

Dan Rather's replacement.

Agreed. We can't run the risk of someone having an opinion that someone else might disagree with. That would lead to anarchy. Now, all bow before the glory of the hypnotoad!

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! (http://logo.cafepress.com/7/112417.gif)
*bows*
What is your command, Master?

Now if we could only shut Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly the fuck up

Ah, but they're not news anchors, are they? They're just editorial set pieces.

Rather was pretending to be an unbiased journalist.

In 1988, Rather aired a special "CBS Rreports: The Wall Within," which purported to be the shocking story of the life styles of Vietnam veterans living wild in the forests of Washington state.

By Rather's account, these were brave men – heroes even – whose spirit and sanity had been broken by their horrific experiences in the war's dark jungles.

Dan conducted searing interviews with ex-G.I.s who told of committing unspeakable atrocities while serving under the American flag. CBS touted the news special as "the rebirth of the documentary."

As it turned out, it was a Michael Moore type of "documentary."

Rather exulted in his journalistic feat of finding one Terry Bradley, who he described as a "fighting sergeant," who told Dan how he'd skinned alive fifty Vietnamese men women and children in a single hour "and then stacked their bodies like so much cordwood."

"Could you do this for one hour of your life?" asked the fighting sergeant. "You stack up every way a body could be mangled, up into an arm … a [breast] an eyeball … imagine us over there for a year and doing it intensely … this is sick."

It was, as most recognized at the time, a blatant fiction.

Rather's reaction to this whopper: "You've got to be angry about it."

Rather's failure to challenge Bradley or use his journalistic common sense was due to the fact that he was suffering from an all-too common affliction: he'd fallen head-over-heels in love with a sensational story and didn't have the heart to challenge it, lest it fall apart. Sound familiar?

But that's not the end of it.

It seems that Dan and his colleagues had never even bothered to check the military backgrounds of the alleged "combat veterans" they put on display to inform America of their horrible experiences and the dreadful atrocities they had committed.

To begin with, Terry Bradley, the "fighting sergeant" was an outrageous liar who had never seen a second of combat. He spent a year in military prison for going AWOL and his actual job was as an ammo handler. He had never stacked bodes, just munitions.

There was an embarrassing probe of Dan's platoon of Vietnam phonies – who claimed that the horrors of combat had driven them to drink, drugs and mental torture of suicide thoughts – exposing a catalogue of lies. They were only concocted war stories by men who hadn't fought in Vietnam engagements.

Dan's reaction when his news special turned out to be fiction?

You guessed it. He stonewalled. Anne Morse who wrote in National Review: "As angry Vietnam veterans began to call CBS to complain about the factual inaccuracies of ‘the Wall Within,' Perry Wolff, the executive producer who wrote the documentary claimed that ‘no one has attacked us on the facts.' Despite growing evidence that he'd been had, Rather also continued to defend the documentary." For Dan the story was a slam-dunk. It fit the standing liberal line that all Vietnam Vets were psychopaths.

Yes, but my point is he didn't burst into tears like everyone else does these days. Therefore I respect him more as a person now. (though not so much as a journalist).

Yes, but my point is he didn't burst into tears like everyone else does these days. Therefore I respect him more as a person now. (though not so much as a journalist).

Ok, so he went out without weeping. Clap, clap, clap.

Now kick his ass out into the street.

Ok, so he went out without weeping. Clap, clap, clap.

Now kick his ass out into the street.

You don't think that it is praiseworthy in this day and age. I, for one, am sick of grown men crying at the slightest reason.

I haven't cried since I was nine, not even at my father's funeral. If a grown man is going to cry he should do it properly. In private with a scotch bottle.

Kudos for Dan, for behaving like a real grown up, and not like an arrested adolescent who wears an insincere, maudlin heart on the sleeve.

Given that he is such a left wing partisan hack I am pleasantly surprised.

You don't think that it is praiseworthy in this day and age. I, for one, am sick of grown men crying at the slightest reason.

Ok, I'll give you that one.
Kudos for Dan, for behaving like a real grown up, and not like an arrested adolescent who wears an insincere, maudlin heart on the sleeve.

Given that he is such a left wing partisan hack I am pleasantly surprised.

It was surprising. The problem is that it's the first time I've watched CBS News in years, and I had to be restrained to keep from kicking in the TV.

You have to give him credit for taking the blame for something like the bush papers. Now, only if Bush would take notice and actually take the blame or not blame the intellgence community and then give them medals.

You have to give him credit for taking the blame for something like the bush papers. Now, only if Bush would take notice and actually take the blame or not blame the intellgence community and then give them medals.

As far as I can tell, Rather arranged to have one person fired, and three people were asked to resign. Now that it has come out that those three people DID warn Rather (contrary to his statements) that the documents were false, they are suing CBS.

Rather, if he wanted to take responsibility, should have resigned, or CBS should have fired him.

This isn't the first time that he's faked a story, as I pointed out in an earlier post.

Now if we could only shut Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly the fuck up

Second'd

the issue isnt whether the memo was real or false but the fact that it told the TRUTH. Dan Rather is the latest victim of the rightwing crusade against an independant media

Second'd

The difference is that Rather is a reporter who lies. It's one thing to editorialize and pull crap out of your ass.

To be a reporter and repeatedly pull crap out of your ass... that takes a Dan Rather.

The difference is that Rather is a reporter who lies. It's one thing to editorialize and pull crap out of your ass.

To be a reporter and repeatedly pull crap out of your ass... that takes a Dan Rather.
no it doesnt--that takes Foxnews
the media needs millions of more Dan Rathers in it to preserve our endangered Democracy

no it doesnt--that takes Foxnews
the media needs millions of more Dan Rathers in it to preserve our endangered Democracy

I have at least two documented occasions where Dan Rather made up a complete lie of a story. How does that further democracy?

Well, I may have very little respect for Rather as a journalist. But given the choice between him, a raving DJ, a bitchy columnist, or a biased nutbagger, I'd choose Rather thank you.

So many claims, so few sources...c'mon people-that just basic.

So many claims, so few sources...c'mon people-that just basic.

Lie #1. The CBS Memos are fakes - that is not in dispute.
Lie #2. In 1988, Rather aired a special "CBS Rreports: The Wall Within," which purported to be the shocking story of the life styles of Vietnam veterans living wild in the forests of Washington state.

By Rather's account, these were brave men – heroes even – whose spirit and sanity had been broken by their horrific experiences in the war's dark jungles.

Dan conducted searing interviews with ex-G.I.s who told of committing unspeakable atrocities while serving under the American flag. CBS touted the news special as "the rebirth of the documentary."

As it turned out, it was a Michael Moore type of "documentary."

Rather exulted in his journalistic feat of finding one Terry Bradley, who he described as a "fighting sergeant," who told Dan how he'd skinned alive fifty Vietnamese men women and children in a single hour "and then stacked their bodies like so much cordwood."

"Could you do this for one hour of your life?" asked the fighting sergeant. "You stack up every way a body could be mangled, up into an arm … a [breast] an eyeball … imagine us over there for a year and doing it intensely … this is sick."

It was, as most recognized at the time, a blatant fiction.

Rather's reaction to this whopper: "You've got to be angry about it."

Rather's failure to challenge Bradley or use his journalistic common sense was due to the fact that he was suffering from an all-too common affliction: he'd fallen head-over-heels in love with a sensational story and didn't have the heart to challenge it, lest it fall apart. Sound familiar?

But that's not the end of it.

It seems that Dan and his colleagues had never even bothered to check the military backgrounds of the alleged "combat veterans" they put on display to inform America of their horrible experiences and the dreadful atrocities they had committed.

To begin with, Terry Bradley, the "fighting sergeant" was an outrageous liar who had never seen a second of combat. He spent a year in military prison for going AWOL and his actual job was as an ammo handler. He had never stacked bodes, just munitions.

There was an embarrassing probe of Dan's platoon of Vietnam phonies – who claimed that the horrors of combat had driven them to drink, drugs and mental torture of suicide thoughts – exposing a catalogue of lies. They were only concocted war stories by men who hadn't fought in Vietnam engagements.

Dan's reaction when his news special turned out to be fiction?

You guessed it. He stonewalled. Anne Morse who wrote in National Review: "As angry Vietnam veterans began to call CBS to complain about the factual inaccuracies of ‘the Wall Within,' Perry Wolff, the executive producer who wrote the documentary claimed that ‘no one has attacked us on the facts.' Despite growing evidence that he'd been had, Rather also continued to defend the documentary." For Dan the story was a slam-dunk. It fit the standing liberal line that all Vietnam Vets were psychopaths.

Lie #1. The CBS Memos are fakes - that is not in dispute.
Lie #2. In 1988, Rather aired a special "CBS Rreports: The Wall Within," which purported to be the shocking story of the life styles of Vietnam veterans living wild in the forests of Washington state.

By Rather's account, these were brave men – heroes even – whose spirit and sanity had been broken by their horrific experiences in the war's dark jungles.

Dan conducted searing interviews with ex-G.I.s who told of committing unspeakable atrocities while serving under the American flag. CBS touted the news special as "the rebirth of the documentary."

As it turned out, it was a Michael Moore type of "documentary."

Rather exulted in his journalistic feat of finding one Terry Bradley, who he described as a "fighting sergeant," who told Dan how he'd skinned alive fifty Vietnamese men women and children in a single hour "and then stacked their bodies like so much cordwood."

"Could you do this for one hour of your life?" asked the fighting sergeant. "You stack up every way a body could be mangled, up into an arm … a [breast] an eyeball … imagine us over there for a year and doing it intensely … this is sick."

It was, as most recognized at the time, a blatant fiction.

Rather's reaction to this whopper: "You've got to be angry about it."

Rather's failure to challenge Bradley or use his journalistic common sense was due to the fact that he was suffering from an all-too common affliction: he'd fallen head-over-heels in love with a sensational story and didn't have the heart to challenge it, lest it fall apart. Sound familiar?

But that's not the end of it.

It seems that Dan and his colleagues had never even bothered to check the military backgrounds of the alleged "combat veterans" they put on display to inform America of their horrible experiences and the dreadful atrocities they had committed.

To begin with, Terry Bradley, the "fighting sergeant" was an outrageous liar who had never seen a second of combat. He spent a year in military prison for going AWOL and his actual job was as an ammo handler. He had never stacked bodes, just munitions.

There was an embarrassing probe of Dan's platoon of Vietnam phonies – who claimed that the horrors of combat had driven them to drink, drugs and mental torture of suicide thoughts – exposing a catalogue of lies. They were only concocted war stories by men who hadn't fought in Vietnam engagements.

Dan's reaction when his news special turned out to be fiction?

You guessed it. He stonewalled. Anne Morse who wrote in National Review: "As angry Vietnam veterans began to call CBS to complain about the factual inaccuracies of ‘the Wall Within,' Perry Wolff, the executive producer who wrote the documentary claimed that ‘no one has attacked us on the facts.' Despite growing evidence that he'd been had, Rather also continued to defend the documentary." For Dan the story was a slam-dunk. It fit the standing liberal line that all Vietnam Vets were psychopaths.
See, highlight the sources url, then you type a [ and then url= then put the website there with a little [/url], then we click it and look at your source. I'm sure you've seen this before...

I have at least two documented occasions where Dan Rather made up a complete lie of a story. How does that further democracy?
Dan Rather used altered memos to tell the Truth
Foxnews makes an artform out of lying for those in power and makes a mockery of true journalism

See, highlight the sources url, then you type a [ and then url= then put the website there with a little [/url], then we click it and look at your source. I'm sure you've seen this before...
Go buy the book then:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/1595550186/ref=dp_item-information_1/102-1341353-9545703?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books

You know, in my day, urls were called "books".

There is a substantial amount of information that is NOT on the Internet.

Dan Rather used altered memos to tell the Truth
Foxnews makes an artform out of lying for those in power and makes a mockery of true journalism

Hate to break it to you, but they were not "altered".

They were complete forgeries, done in Microsoft Word.

That makes them a complete lie.

Here you go - an examination of the documents by someone who doesn't like Bush:

http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm

If the contents of the forged memo were true, there would be documents to support that claim. As it stands, your Truth is a complete lie.

Can you show me an instance where Fox News fabricated a document (in its entirety) to support a claim they were making?

Can you show me an instance where Fox News fabricated a document (in its entirety) to support a claim they were making?

Of course he can't. Skapedroe is only interested in posting hyperbole and propaganda. Substance holds no meaning for him. Asking Skapedroe for proof is like asking a rock for pocket change.

the issue isnt whether the memo was real or false but the fact that it told the TRUTH. Dan Rather is the latest victim of the rightwing crusade against an independant media

Do you do large amounts of drugs?

if you dont know if the memo was true or false, how do you know it told the truth? Maybe it tells a story you WANT to be true, but that is neither here nor there.