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For a little contrast.

Wait for the poll or else.

Or else what?

I can take this one. :)

Or else what?
Or else the world will come to a terrible end!!!
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Or else the world will come to a terrible end!!!
:eek:


*curls into a fetal position*

Can you please post an alternate option for Gay marriage. I would like the do not give a flying fuck option.

Or else the world will come to a terrible end!!!
:eek:

Who says?

i voted pro gay marraige on purpose, but i still don;t think it should be called marraige. they should be allowed to be happy then. I think seatbelts are a crock, i know of several people who have been hung by them in accidents, but if it is a kid, that is understandable, they do not know how to make informed decisions by themselves. Drugs is a no-no for me unless they are regulated somehow.

Can you please post an alternate option for Gay marriage. I would like the do not give a flying fuck option.

I would suppose that since you have no problem with it, you wouldn't mind it being allowed.

And I didn't know you were conservative.

While I do wish they would call gay marriage something else, I really don't care yay or nay about gay rights. "As long as you don't hit on me" has always been my philosophy.

Oh and I'm a centrist with conservative leanings.

While I do wish they would call gay marriage something else, I really don't care yay or nay about gay rights. "As long as you don't hit on me" has always been my philosophy.

Oh and I'm a centrist with conservative leanings.

ooo...whats your political compy. i'm LEFT/RIGHT 2.4 AUTH/LIB 3.0

I am a centrist [at least my nation is] so I voted in both polls :)

Heh, I was raised conservative but have yet to formulate more than a few strong opinions.

Can you please post an alternate option for Gay marriage. I would like the do not give a flying fuck option.
In that case you should vote "pro gay marriage".

Conservative, no. My own beliefs, yes.

Whatever makes you happy.

While I do wish they would call gay marriage something else, I really don't care yay or nay about gay rights. "As long as you don't hit on me" has always been my philosophy.

Oh and I'm a centrist with conservative leanings.

I'm usually the same way. Most conservatives want gays to have their rights, they just want to keep marriage sacred.

I'm not surprised that conservatives are a bit more authoritarian when it comes to personal choices. But they are still less so than the right in the US would have you believe. I think the republican party should have a look at this poll. Though I know NSers don't necessarily represent the general public.

In that case you should vote "pro gay marriage".
I'm not pro. There's not one part of me that wants it. I just don't think that marriage should be dictated by the gov't anyway. But ya know its no skin off my knows if gays get married. I don't approve of homosexuality,but it doesn't affect me one way or the other if they get married. So I guess I wouldr ather gay marriage not occur, but it doesn't stick in my craw if it does. After all, if gov't controls, marriage, there's no reason that they can't. So I guess if I had to clarify, I would personaly be against gay marraige, but not its legalization.

I'm not surprised that conservatives are a bit more authoritarian when it comes to personal choices. But they are still less so than the right in the US would have you believe. I think the republican party should have a look at this poll. Though I know NSers don't necessarily represent the general public.

i think we are less authoritarian than the LEFT in america would have you beleive. they are the ones trying to demonaize conservatives (as are the poeple on this forum, but i won;t get into that)

ooo...whats your political compy. i'm LEFT/RIGHT 2.4 AUTH/LIB 3.0
Where can I find this?

i voted pro gay marraige on purpose, but i still don;t think it should be called marraige. they should be allowed to be happy then. I think seatbelts are a crock, i know of several people who have been hung by them in accidents, but if it is a kid, that is understandable, they do not know how to make informed decisions by themselves. Drugs is a no-no for me unless they are regulated somehow.

balls what kind of moron would get hung by a seat belt, the kind of moron who doesnt know how to wear a frigging seat belt.

Its simple you hit something at more than 40mph without a belt and you die, you go straight through the windscreen, if you're in the back seat you kill whoevers in front of you regardless of whether or not they're wearing one.

If you dont wear a seatbelt you are an arrogant fucktard who doesnt deserve the right to drive a car

Where can I find this?

my results? or the compass itself. cause i don;t post my results often. THe compass is at www.politicalcompass.org (someone correct me if i am wrong)

balls what kind of moron would get hung by a seat belt, the kind of moron who doesnt know how to wear a frigging seat belt.

Its simple you hit something at more than 40mph without a belt and you die, you go straight through the windscreen, if you're in the back seat you kill whoevers in front of you regardless of whether or not they're wearing one.

If you dont wear a seatbelt you are an arrogant fucktard who doesnt deserve the right to drive a car

AHEM....how tall are you? the seatbelt is designed for people with a height of 5'5" or taller. there are plenty of short people. i do not dispute the fat the, chances are, you may die if you don;t wear a seatbelt, but damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not pro. There's not one part of me that wants it. I just don't think that marriage should be dictated by the gov't anyway. But ya know its no skin off my knows if gays get married.
If you don't care either way, it is, in practicality, the same as being pro-gay marriage, as in being permissive of it.

Anti Gay Marriage/Civil Unions
Im pro civil union, anti Gay Marriage. I know many on the right who are the same.
Why does it have to be all or nothing on that issue?

Who says?
Me. It's quite obvious really, it was the name beside the post, wasn't it?
:D

Drugs is a no-no for me unless they are regulated somehow.

Legalization does not mean they won't Regulate...

Just like every other "controlled substance" they should be free to "Regulate" its use in any way they see fit.

They just shouldn't be able to make the totally illegal, it is UnConstitutional to do so!

Regards,
Gaar

Here's my scores, will add to sig.

Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.72

I howver, found this test fundamentally flawed, as it did not have any midddle of the road or slightly leaning one way or the other otions. I kinda subscribe to the classical Greek idea of everything in moderation.

Im pro civil union, anti Gay Marriage. I know many on the right who are the same.
Why does it have to be all or nothing on that issue?

What is wrong with them calling it marriage?

I'm not surprised that conservatives are a bit more authoritarian when it comes to personal choices. But they are still less so than the right in the US would have you believe. I think the republican party should have a look at this poll. Though I know NSers don't necessarily represent the general public.

Yeah, and I would suspect that a few non-Americans have participated also...

So I would venture to say that it isn't a "true" representation of "American" (the U.S. type) Conservatives opinions.

Regards,
Gaar

What is wrong with them calling it marriage?

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman...

Why is it they need it to be called "Marriage" as long as the "Union" is afforded the same Rights under the Law?

Regards,
Gaar

I don't support gay marriage but I support Civil Unions. I'm pro-seatbelt laws! As for hard drugs, which ones are you talking about?

Im pro civil union, anti Gay Marriage. I know many on the right who are the same.
Why does it have to be all or nothing on that issue?

Because the Liberals seem to think they are one and the same :D

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman...

Why is it they need it to be called "Marriage" as long as the "Union" is afforded the same Rights under the Law?

Regards,
Gaar

Why does marriage have to only be for a Man and a Woman? They want it to be called a marriage because then things are fair and equal.

This is kind of surprising, it seems that the conservatives on NS are authoritarian except for gay marriage. I would not have guessed that.

Why does marriage have to only be for a Man and a Woman? They want it to be called a marriage because then things are fair and equal.

Why would calling it something different but giving it the same "Rights" be not "Fair and Equal"?

This is just Liberals trying to FORCE their lifestyles on the Conservatives.

Marriage is a Union condoned by God. Since homosexuality is a Sin it is not condoned by God.

Do gay people think if they can call it Marriage that it will change that?

And why is it ok for them to "change" the Institution of Marriage if they have another form of Union that gives them the exact same Rights under the Law?

Regards,
Gaar

Remember "Seperate but equal is inherently inequal?"

Why would calling it something different but giving it the same "Rights" be not "Fair and Equal"?

This is just Liberals trying to FORCE their lifestyles on the Conservatives.

Marriage is a Union condoned by God. Since homosexuality is a Sin it is not condoned by God.

Do gay people think if they can call it Marriage that it will change that?

And why is it ok for them to "change" the Institution of Marriage if they have another form of Union that gives them the exact same Rights under the Law?

Regards,
Gaar
and thats not conservatives trying to force their lifestyles on liberals?

I picked 'pro' for each of the options.

Remember "Seperate but equal is inherently inequal?"

True...

Womens restrooms don't need Urinals, but does that afford them any less of an opportunity to use the restroom in Public?

Is it somehow prejudicial that we don't put them in womens restrooms, even though what they are given to use lets them perform the same function as men?

So why are gay people any different?

That's what I thought...

Regards,
Gaar

Why would calling it something different but giving it the same "Rights" be not "Fair and Equal"?

This is just Liberals trying to FORCE their lifestyles on the Conservatives.

Marriage is a Union condoned by God. Since homosexuality is a Sin it is not condoned by God.
What about atheist marriages, or marriages in other, non-Abramic, religions? To follow that logic they would have to be banned too surely?

and thats not conservatives trying to force their lifestyles on liberals?

No, it is Religous people trying to hang on to their History and Rituals!

Something about that YOU don't get?

So it should be ok to denegrate a Religous persons beliefs just because YOU like the name and want to use it for something it was never intended?

Give me a break!

Regards,
Gaar

No, it is Religous people trying to hang on to their History and Rituals!

Something about that YOU don't get?

So it should be ok to denegrate a Religous persons beliefs just because YOU like the name and want to use it for something it was never intended?

Give me a break!

Regards,
Gaar
what about religious homosexuals? i know a few gay people who go to church every sunday, and would love to get married

thats where your argument falls down

at the end of the day its pure discrimination, you cant let people be happy when it doesnt affect you, because it doesnt fit with your own view of the world. yours isnt the only world view.

What about atheist marriages, or marriages in other, non-Abramic, religions? To follow that logic they would have to be banned too surely?

I'm not sure, but I don't believe I have ever seen it written that God said that non-believers couldn't be Married... But he DOES say that Marriage is between a man and a woman, does he not?

Perhaps YOU could show me Scripture that states otherwise?

Regards,
Gaar

No, it is Religous people trying to hang on to their History and Rituals!

Something about that YOU don't get?

So it should be ok to denegrate a Religous persons beliefs just because YOU like the name and want to use it for something it was never intended?

Give me a break!

Regards,
Gaar

When gays start demanding that they be allowed to call anal sex "Eucharist" I'll agree with you. But the word 'marriage' is not exclusively Christian, or even exclusively religious.

what about religious homosexuals? i know a few gay people who go to church every sunday, and would love to get married.

Something about a Marriage being between a man and a woman that YOU don't get?

I'm not sure, but I don't believe I have ever seen it written that God said that non-believers couldn't be Married... But he DOES say that Marriage is between a man and a woman, does he not?

Perhaps YOU could show me Scripture that states otherwise?

Regards,
Gaar
perhaps YOU can show me the scripture that says it is?

marriage isnt a christian exclusitivity, other religions have marriage too

Something about a Marriage being between a man and a woman that YOU don't get?
wheres your basis for this?

marriage should be between a loving couple, regardless of their gender

and if you say its because god says so, first of all im going to ask you for a direct bible quote, and then im going to ask you about other religions who also have marriage.

Why would calling it something different but giving it the same "Rights" be not "Fair and Equal"?
It is like saying you can't join our club but here is one just like it to keep you out of ours. It's like having water taps for blacks only, sure they still have water but it's still a form of segregation.

This is just Liberals trying to FORCE their lifestyles on the Conservatives.
Liberals do not equal homosexuals. It's all different sorts of people, not just liberals or homosexuals, trying to get the same rights for everyone.

Marriage is a Union condoned by God. Since homosexuality is a Sin it is not condoned by God.
Marriage is a legal union not a religious one. Marriage existed before Christianity did, the church has no say in what constitutes a marriage, it's only say is what marriages take place within a church. Also, for that to hold true, worshipping a false idol is also a sin. Should Muslims and those of other religions not be allowed to marry?

Do gay people think if they can call it Marriage that it will change that?
Most of them do not care if homosexuality is considered a sin in the Christian church and as religion has very little to do with the actual process of marriage, it is a moot point.

And why is it ok for them to "change" the Institution of Marriage if they have another form of Union that gives them the exact same Rights under the Law?
Laws are allowed to be changed. They were designed to be changed, that's why there are amendments and such. It is ok for them to want to change the law because they feel it is unjust and is no longer appropriate and could be improved.

I'm not sure, but I don't believe I have ever seen it written that God said that non-believers couldn't be Married... But he DOES say that Marriage is between a man and a woman, does he not?

Perhaps YOU could show me Scripture that states otherwise?

Regards,
Gaar
I'd rather not ferret around for a Biblical references to marriage. (Out of interest where does it define marriage is between a man and a woman?) Largely because it is completely irrelevent, the laws of the United States are not based on the Bible, and doing so would definately discriminate against people.

Difficult to make a choice, they all fuck. Perhaps if hard drugs was changed by "accepted" hard alcohol or a soft drug, I could make one.

BTW, wich moron can have anything against seatbelts :confused:

BTW, wich moron can have anything against seatbelts :confused:

Try here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391161).

:D

Since homosexuality is a Sin it is not condoned by God.
Is it written in the 10 Commandments?

VIII. Thou shalt not steal. Ever done that?

IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Ever done that?

X. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. Ever done that?

Are YOU without sin?

Is it written in the 10 Commandments?

It is in a bunch of other laws.

VIII. Thou shalt not steal. Ever done that?

Nope

IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Ever done that?

nope

X. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. Ever done that?

nope

Are YOU without sin?

Nope

It is in a bunch of other laws.

Nope

nope

nope

Nope
Wasn't asking you. Your puppet is Urantia II?

BTW, the 10 Commandents are the only true laws?

Besides, you aren't perfect!! :eek:

Wasn't asking you. Your puppet is Urantia II?

BTW, the 10 Commandents are the only true laws?

Besides, you aren't perfect!! :eek:

Did I say I was? I don't care if it was for him but I also know that you haven't read what other laws were handed down to the Israelites.

The 10 Commandments are the 10 MAIN LAWS that were given to Moses to give to the Israelites. However, they are not the only laws that were given to the Israelites.

Did I say I was? I don't care if it was for him but I also know that you haven't read what other laws were handed down to the Israelites.

The 10 Commandments are the 10 MAIN LAWS that were given to Moses to give to the Israelites. However, they are not the only laws that were given to the Israelites.
Those 10 Commandments are a very tall order for anyone, never mind all the subset laws. IF you can do the 10 Commandments, would be pretty hard not to gain entry into the Kingdom of Heaven?

BTW, for those that are interested, perhaps a viewing of the Beatitudes (http://www.interviewwithgod.com/beatitudes/) would help out?

Those 10 Commandments are a very tall order for anyone, never mind all the subset laws. IF you can do the 10 Commandments, would be pretty hard not to gain entry into the Kingdom of Heaven?

You have a point there but if you continue to read the Books of Exodus, Deutoronomy, Numbers, Leviticus and one more book I can't remember off the top of my head, it goes through Jewish law of the time.

I'm Conservative.
I don't care about Gay Marriage really, I'm not gay so it is not my affair.
Seatbelts is common sense, they should be worn. Probably almost everyone in this country has been in some kind of wreck, it's just stupid to be lazy and not wear one where it takes 2 seconds to just buckle up.
Depends on what drugs are legalized or not, but say for marijuana, a lot of people think it's a lot worse than it really is, but it's still not good.

I'm not for legalizing hard drugs, because they really do mess up lives. I'm for legalization on pot - and hey, all the money that would be saved after the pothead hippies get thrown outta jail could be used for great things, like social programs designed to get people off things like heroin, or increased gov't grants to rehabilitation clinics in order to let that help be available to more than the priviledged. Or hey, how about putting a nice playground in every major city in the United States.
Tons of money that is being wasted so we can hunt down apathetic stoners.

Remember "Seperate but equal is inherently inequal?"

Then let's abolisht he whole male/feamle bathroom idea. why don;t we just make all unisex clothing. that would be equal, and not seperate.

what about religious homosexuals? i know a few gay people who go to church every sunday, and would love to get married

thats where your argument falls down

at the end of the day its pure discrimination, you cant let people be happy when it doesnt affect you, because it doesnt fit with your own view of the world. yours isnt the only world view.

Well, according to my bible, they are not truly saved.
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

I don't know what their bible says, but mine says they will not inherit the kingdom of God. therefore it is not condoned by God.

Is it written in the 10 Commandments?

VIII. Thou shalt not steal. Ever done that?

IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Ever done that?

X. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. Ever done that?

Are YOU without sin?

Never said I wasn't a Sinner, but that doesn't mean ANY of those acts are condoned by God, does it?

Marriage is...

Hebrews 13:4 (New International Version)

4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Regards,
Gaar

I just have to say

WTF is Skapedroe doing posting in a poll for just conservitives?

Well, according to my bible, they are not truly saved.


I don't know what their bible says, but mine says they will not inherit the kingdom of God. therefore it is not condoned by God.

i believe theres a phrase in the bible that says something like "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven."

i would like to know why so many christian conservatives want to abolish things that distribute some wealth to the needy like welfare, and yet at the same time outlaw gay marriage. so much of the new testament revolves around jesus' role as a caretaker of the meek and the poverty-stricken and the down-trodden; why do some of these neocons feels that only some parts of the bible apply, rather than all of it?

Never said I wasn't a Sinner, but that doesn't mean ANY of those acts are condoned by God, does it?

Marriage is...

Hebrews 13:4 (New International Version)

4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Regards,
Gaar
Well then, God will judge them and NOT you? How will it affect you if gay people get married?

And we must remember:

"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Never said I wasn't a Sinner, but that doesn't mean ANY of those acts are condoned by God, does it?

Marriage is...

Hebrews 13:4 (New International Version)

4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Regards,
Gaar
"Marriage is the binding of two people in love who wish to spend their lives together." My Book 3:9, The Individual Bible.

Not everyone is religious. So why defend something with religion, especially when gay marriage deals with individuals who could have ANY number of religious values or morals that don't coincide with you. The BIBLE is NOT LAW, and we do not live in a theocracy where religious values must be forced upon the citizens. God asks you to love all creatures.

The key principles of Christianity are charity, community, love, and forgiveness. If you cannot forgive people for being homosexual and wanting to marry, then why should God forgive you for putting down homosexuals? After all, a just and loving and pure God will forgive homosexuals for natural sexual preference beyond their reach, and wanting to make the best of it.

Well then, God will judge them and NOT you? How will it affect you if gay people get married?

And we must remember:

"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Who is Judging them?

And who is trying to do anything to stop them from "living" in any way they deem appropriate for them?

Why is it they need for THEIR Union to be called what a traditional Union between a man and a woman is called?

If ALL other things are EQUAL, the ONLY reason YOU can give is that you want to denigrate the term Marriage for those who do not wish to sanctify gay Unions as a Marriage condoned by God, why is that?

Do gays have to hijack a long held tradition in order to feel good about their way of life?

Regards,
Gaar

Who is Judging them?

And who is trying to do anything to stop them from "living" in any way they deem appropriate for them?

Why is it they need for THEIR Union to be called what a traditional Union between a man and a woman is called?

If ALL other things are EQUAL, the ONLY reason YOU can give is that you want to denegrate the term Marriage for those who do not wish to sanctify gay Unions as a Marriage condoned by God, why is that?

Do gays have to hyjack a long held tradition in order to feel good about their way of life?

Regards,
Gaar

You forget nether Judaism nor Christianity hold the original patent for what marriage is or is not ;) so why do you get to set the definition?

You forget nether Judaism nor Christianity hold the original patent for what marriage is or is not ;) so why do you get to set the definition?

I didn't... God did.

They didn't patent Sin either, but they have defined what Sin is, have they not?

Regards,
Gaar

I didn't... God did.

They didn't patent Sin either, but they have defined what Sin is, have they not?

Regards,
Gaar
Yes they have … for themselves (I don’t agree with laws based on an individual religious moral set either) not saying I don’t agree about some of the things on the list rather the fact that because it is a sin for them there is a law based on it.

The problem comes when they try to force their definition on the rest of the world


Now your god set the definition … what if my god sets it as any two individuals?