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note: not your usual religion vs secularism thread this (and, please, lets not turn it into one... or a flamefest)

just reading something about "worshipping Christ" i realised i don't like the word 'worship', nor do i like the idea of subjecting myself to a person (or in actuality, a number of people) in the name of 'worship'.

what do you lot think of 'worship'?
religious people/christians: what is it that made Christ so worthy of your worship? sure, he died for our sins (apparently, if he even existed) but has the world really been a better place since he was put to death? did he not fail and is that failure worthy of unequivocal worship?
i can understand why, if one has faith, God and Christ are worthy of respect and reverance, but worship is a little extreme, no?

thoughts?

If any being would not need to be worshipped, it would be God.

We wordhip Christ and God because They deserve it. God created us and is therefore worthy of worship. Christ gave us the gift of eternal life, and was God, and therefore worthy of worship.

I don't like the idea of subjecting myself either. But I worship anyway because They deserve it and God already controls our lives, so might as well acknowledge that fact.

The idea is that God controls the universe, and God made the universe with a specific direction, therefore God is ultimately "good" in that "good" means doing what the universe is meant to do, whereas "bad" is going against God and what He intends. Since God is the only absolute, he can be worshipped.

I do not "worship" anyone, or anything. Mortal or otherwise.

I do however, respect. I respect Jesus, Mohammad and Buddha for their teachings. And I respect God for his guidance. And like Vittos said, the last person needing "worship" would be God.

What...Dude's been up there since the begining of time. He doesn't need the consistant reminder that he's omnipotent. And all those years under his belt I think would bestow him a sense of humility.

Yep...My idea of God is a laid-back dude in sandals.

God: Aw man...Are they worshiping me again? Get outside and do something with yourselves! Jeez!

[QUOTE=BololGod: Aw man...Are they worshiping me again? Get outside and do something with yourselves! Jeez![/QUOTE] *Sententious voice* Doing good works in God's name is a form of worship and obeying his commands, and glorifying him. *unsententious voice*

God: Aw man...Are they worshiping me again? Get outside and do something with yourselves! Jeez!

Jesus: Yeah I'm here, don't tell me it's time to go down and tell them all to be nice to each other again yet. You know they just don't listen or really get the message.

If any being would not need to be worshipped, it would be God.
But that brings into question why a being such as god needs worship

Nobody deserves my worship. My respect, maybe. But even if there does turn out to be a godlike being, I'm not worshipping it.

I don't understand why an omnipotent and immortal being would want a bunch of primitives grovelling at it's feet. Seems like a waste of it's time to me. If it wants company wouldn't it be better off with friends it could hang out with as roughly equals.

I do not "worship" anyone, or anything. Mortal or otherwise.

I do however, respect. I respect Jesus, Mohammad and Buddha for their teachings. And I respect God for his guidance.
my thoughts exactly :)

And like Vittos said, the last person needing "worship" would be God.

What...Dude's been up there since the begining of time. He doesn't need the consistant reminder that he's omnipotent. And all those years under his belt I think would bestow him a sense of humility.

Yep...My idea of God is a laid-back dude in sandals.

God: Aw man...Are they worshiping me again? Get outside and do something with yourselves! Jeez!
then again, God could have gone quite mad being, apparently (according to chrisianity), the only deity up there, for all eternity. i'm sure he'd go mental...

But that brings into question why a being such as god needs worship
He doesn't need it. It is not done for him.

[QUOTE=Bolol]I do not "worship" anyone, or anything. Mortal or otherwise.

I do however, respect. I respect Jesus, Mohammad and Buddha for their teachings. And I respect God for his guidance. And like Vittos said, the last person needing "worship" would be God.



like your style....it's one of the reasons that buddhism isn't classed as a religion...buddhists don't worship the buddha (although it's a commonplace mis-conception) because buddha was human not a deity or divine being. Buddhists give thanks for the teaching they recieve which is why there are tolerant of religion as buddhism is a philosophy -in case any one was interested

The same reason a Dom likes to be worshipped by a Sub.

note: not your usual religion vs secularism thread this (and, please, lets not turn it into one... or a flamefest)

just reading something about "worshipping Christ" i realised i don't like the word 'worship', nor do i like the idea of subjecting myself to a person (or in actuality, a number of people) in the name of 'worship'.

what do you lot think of 'worship'?
religious people/christians: what is it that made Christ so worthy of your worship? sure, he died for our sins (apparently, if he even existed) but has the world really been a better place since he was put to death? did he not fail and is that failure worthy of unequivocal worship?
i can understand why, if one has faith, God and Christ are worthy of respect and reverance, but worship is a little extreme, no?

thoughts?
Actually, Jesus indicated that only God was worthy of worship. The idea of worship isn't for God's sake, it's supposedly for the enlightenment and edification of the one worshipping.

He doesn't need it. It is not done for him.
I assume by that you mean it is for thoes who are doing the worshiping?

I assume by that you mean it is for thoes who are doing the worshiping?
Yes

Yes
ok I can deffinatly see that :) I was just making sure I understood you correctly

And I agree (if I could bring myself to knowing one way or the other)

I don't like the word, "worship". It sounds like something you do when you feel low, unimportant, insignificant. And when I feel all those things, I tend to "overdose" as an alternative. Just kidding. I "write", "act", "sing", "dance", etc. Great high. :cool:

Worship means many different things. One Hebrew word translated as "worship" literally means "to kiss". A kiss can be worship.

There is an interesting web site called the Dirty Old Man's Association International that celebrates the "worship" of women, particularly unclad young ladies in a natural setting. There's probably an administrative admonition against posting links to sites featuring unclad young ladies, so if there are interested parties, I'd recommend googling the acronym for the association.

The point is that worship involves the emotions, intellect, and body paying positive attention to the object of worship. This is, as Eutrusca pointed out, more to the enlightenment of the worshipper than the worshipped. Considering the object of worship as an exalted being worthy of attention, affection, praise and adulation.

In a sense, some of us worship ourselves. But generally speaking, it's human nature to worship -something-. Arguably, a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator of the universe is probably worth some positive attention, especially if he is as good as he claims to be. But let's not make this a debate on religion, shall we?

I don't usually look at the word "worship" in a negative light. Instead, I tend to think of it as loving God, not worshipping him, because that's what it is to me. With everything that I do, I try to give it my best to show God that I love Him as much as he loves me. When we do good things for people, it's worshipping him, because doing good things for humanity honors God. Non-Christians tend to view God as a fascist- dictator like master. It's not so. The relationship between God and His people is like the relationship between an owner and his dog (a good, responsible, and loving owner), not like a dictator and his people.

I have trouble subjecting myself to God. In fact, for me its a daily battle. The Ayn Rand part of me days that you should never subject yourself to anything, but the Christian part of me allows me to make an exception for God. I forget where it was, but some where in the Bible it says that Jesus is upper there in Heaven constantly interceding with God on our behalf. And God deserves our worship becausehe is Jesus and he is the holy spirit and he did create us. Also, one of the things that makes Jesus' death so special is that first of all, he was willing to come to earth and become a mortal man and all that entails, giving up his divinity. Anyway, worship is just kind of a human way of thinking God/Jesus/Holy Ghost for their help, mercy, and sacrifices they have made for us, It never says that you have to worship God, but if you are a true Christian, you willmost likely desire to.

Worship is neccessary for immature people who haven't learned to grow up and accept responsibility for their own actions.

note: not your usual religion vs secularism thread this (and, please, lets not turn it into one... or a flamefest)

just reading something about "worshipping Christ" i realised i don't like the word 'worship', nor do i like the idea of subjecting myself to a person (or in actuality, a number of people) in the name of 'worship'.

what do you lot think of 'worship'?
religious people/christians: what is it that made Christ so worthy of your worship? sure, he died for our sins (apparently, if he even existed) but has the world really been a better place since he was put to death? did he not fail and is that failure worthy of unequivocal worship?
i can understand why, if one has faith, God and Christ are worthy of respect and reverance, but worship is a little extreme, no?

thoughts?

First of all, we all worship something, most of us ourselves, so why not someone who took the punishment for our sins in our place. Of course, there is alse the reality that He created and the world and the universe, so I'd say that also warrants our worship.

Second, I very strongly disagree with the notion that Christ failed in His mission. Remember what He said to Pilot, "My Kingdom is not of this world." He was entirely successful in making a way of mercy to allow those who so choose, to be a part of that Kindom that is not of this world.

The state of this world isn't His failure, it is ours.

Not everyone worships, dude.

Though I would love for you to tell us how get this assumption, provided its not "My pastor told me" or "The Christian Website says so" or "Chick says."

Not everyone worships, dude.

Though I would love for you to tell us how get this assumption, provided its not "My pastor told me" or "The Christian Website says so" or "Chick says."

Some of it depends on one's definition of worship. To me, we worship whatever holds the highest places in our lives, the thing or things we live for, the thing or things that we would scrifice other things for. Sometimes it is sports, people often worship sports figures. Some people worship money, or a host of other things. Some people worship their country or its leaders or some particular cause. Most of us, in some way or another, worship ourselves, personal pleasure/satisfaction. In essence, what every purpose, thing or person our life serves is what we worship.

This is conception is actually a result of my own study and ponderance on the idea of what it means to "love the LORD you God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength and all your mind." Essentially, worshipping God is putting Him at the center of your personal world instead of self or other things. Whatever we worship other than God violates the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

Does that answer your question? :) Note, I'm not asking if you agree, which you are certainly entitled not to. This is just the conclusion I have come to.

Oh come on people... I thought everyone knew how important worship is to a god.

Haven't you guys played Populous or Black & White? Clearly you need worshippers as a god so that your mana increases and you can start hurling fireballs at people.

Sheesh, I can't believe that no one has thought of this already.

A song by Jethro Tull sums up what I think of "worship"

When I was young and they packed me off to school
and taught me how not to play the game,
I didn't mind if they groomed me for success,
or if they said that I was a fool.
So I left there in the morning
with their God tucked underneath my arm
their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.
So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said: "I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays".
So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
Well you can excomunicate me on my way to Sunday school
and have all the bishops harmonize these lines
how do you dare tell me that I'm my Father's son
when that was just an accident of Birth.
I'd rather look around me compose a better song
'cause that's the honest measure of my worth.
In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me,
as you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.