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Isn't it evident that since all the cells didn't die some had mutations which allowed them to live... and so those mutations became the norm as they help cells survive virul infection ? its call micro evolution

But most viruses kill their host. There are no cells as far as I know that resist viruses. There are antibodies but those are separate from the cell.

at first i thought that viruses did come first becaues they are much simpler. but if they came first how would they have survived? viruses need healthy cells so they can replicate their protein thingamajiggers. thats why i presented the possibility that viruses only came to being after they had something to eat.

can you play aqualung? Thin mints are damned good. i suggest you start you girl scout eating life with those.

I don't know aqualung. I don't like most mints, sorry.

his statement is invalid.
the flood happened because the world turned away from its creator. utter destruction happens to every corrupt civilization.
Babylon, greece, rome

there was no conspiricy, God just chose Noah to give life on earth another chance.

I know that, you know that! It just seems that he is so sure of what he's saying, I was wondering if I'd missed something huge in the Bible. Sounds to me like he's just repeating something that he's been taught without even thinking about it or looking into it! :D Y

his statement is invalid.
the flood happened because the world turned away from its creator. utter destruction happens to every corrupt civilization.
Babylon, greece, rome

there was no conspiricy, God just chose Noah to give life on earth another chance.

True. Always nice to have help with threads like these.

Firstly, why wouldn't lying be a sin. After all, lying never helps anyone out in the end.

Secondly, I'm guessing you want to be some sort of business owner don't you?


eh, things change. it all boils down to god wanting to watch this argument and eat cheetos.

i don't want to be a business owner, i just want to be worshipped and be given money for guidance. or be a hermit in a forest.

How's about the idea of "pluralism", and "tolerance". Or, say, honesty? Teach this:

"There are many popular theories of the origins of the universe, the world, and humanity. Here are some samples:

"Many scientists, atheists, agnostics, and others believe that the universe, world, and humanity were all created through random chance events. We call this the evolutionary theory, and here's where we can go for more detailed information.

"Some scientists, many religious people, and others believe that the universe was created through some sort of intelligent design. They disagree on the point at which 'natural selection' became a factor. Some think the universe was intelligently designed, but the world was created through chance events. Some think the world was designed, but life was created through chance events. Some think life was designed, but humans were created through chance events. Some believe that humans were designed, and that chance events only factor for minor mutative adaptations, rather than the creation of new species. Here's where we can go for more detailed information on each of these belief systems."

Present the facts and let the individual look into it in more detail and make their own conclusions.

Why not?
could not have said it any better

eh, things change. it all boils down to god wanting to watch this argument and eat cheetos.

i don't want to be a business owner, i just want to be worshipped and be given money for guidance. or be a hermit in a forest.

Firstly, what is good or bad never change. The circumstances do but what is right or wrong never does.

I think you should be a hermit in a forest. Hey, you'd learn lots about herbs and everything and you would never have to pay for food or worry about tommorrow.

I don't know aqualung. I don't like most mints, sorry.
then what good are you to me??

its ok, i'm having fun with the rediculousness of this whole things.

so will you help me get other peoples money?

I know that, you know that! It just seems that he is so sure of what he's saying, I was wondering if I'd missed something huge in the Bible. Sounds to me like he's just repeating something that he's been taught without even thinking about it or looking into it! :D Y

True, although, I think that person was just a little bit mistaken as to why God flooded the Earth.

then what good are you to me??

its ok, i'm having fun with the rediculousness of this whole things.

so will you help me get other peoples money?

What's with ppl and the want for money? It's not like it's going to gaurantee happiness or even eternal life.

Firstly, what is good or bad never change. The circumstances do but what is right or wrong never does.

I think you should be a hermit in a forest. Hey, you'd learn lots about herbs and everything and you would never have to pay for food or worry about tommorrow.


to say that right and wrong doesn't change is like ignoring your history classes. back in the day it was wrong for women to work or vote, and now its accepted as right. duels used to be an ok way to defend your honor.. gladiators killed eachother for entertainment. politicians in ancient greece had homosexual relations as a sign of power. none of those were wrong at the time but are now all considered very sinful

i just think religion is crock cause none of it ever makes any sense

to say that right and wrong doesn't change is like ignoring your history classes. back in the day it was wrong for women to work or vote, and now its accepted as right. duels used to be an ok way to defend your honor.. gladiators killed eachother for entertainment. politicians in ancient greece had homosexual relations as a sign of power. none of those were wrong at the time but are now all considered very sinful

The politicians and the gladiators was wrong according to the Ten Commandments. Women voting or working was simply a social issue.

What is considered right or wrong changes but what is right or wrong never does.

i just think religion is crock cause none of it ever makes any sense

Well, belive it or not, you yourselve believe in a religion. After all, a religion is simply a set of beliefs.

i just think religion is crock cause none of it ever makes any sense

leaving god out of it...

i've always viewed religion as the collective conscious of the people. Moral rights and wrongs are reflected in the rules of the religion, which vary greatly from culture to culture. the problem arises when religion becomes such an absolute that people will kill one another because they think is other is wrong.

but also religion has a positive role of bringing together people in love and peace something you can witness across the world in every place of worship. if only they weren't so segregated based on religion. such as catholics don't allow protestants to take communion, things like that.

The politicians and the gladiators was wrong according to the Ten Commandments. Women voting or working was simply a social issue.

What is considered right or wrong changes but what is right or wrong never does.

the ten commandments are just an example of very agreeable rules. they never would've survived if they included "thou shalt whip thy woman with leathers strap for recreation" or "Thou shalt not eat banana pudding".
Their longevity is due to how agreeable they are, but who knows.. maybe adultery will become okay.

leaving god out of it...

i've always viewed religion as the collective conscious of the people. Moral rights and wrongs are reflected in the rules of the religion, which vary greatly from culture to culture. the problem arises when religion becomes such an absolute that people will kill one another because they think is other is wrong.

but also religion has a positive role of bringing together people in love and peace something you can witness across the world in every place of worship. if only they weren't so segregated based on religion. such as catholics don't allow protestants to take communion, things like that.

True, but most religions don't support acts of violence. Judaism, Christianity, Catholism, Islam even, they all are against acts of violence.

There are cases however of ppl taking religion as a means of getting their way.

the ten commandments are just an example of very agreeable rules. they never would've survived if they included "thou shalt whip thy woman with leathers strap for recreation" or "Thou shalt not eat banana pudding".
Their longevity is due to how agreeable they are, but who knows.. maybe adultery will become okay.

But will it be right? In the eyes of society it may be but it might not actually be right.

The Ten Commandments describe what is right or wrong and it does so by telling us what is best to do. Is it not best, to not steal? Is it not best to let ppl live? You get where I'm going right? They provide a what is best for us to do.

True, but most religions don't support acts of violence. Judaism, Christianity, Catholism, Islam even, they all are against acts of violence.

There are cases however of ppl taking religion as a means of getting their way.

sadly even the conflicts today have some relation to religion.
Suicide bombers give their lives to allah as martyrs, for them a very legitimate cause. Jihad has been called against the US for what we're doing in iraq.
Meanwhile, we're sitting over here believing that God is on our side because we're trying to bring freedom and democracy to a country. if only we could leave religion out of it.

Noah killed the dinosaurs.

sadly even the conflicts today have some relation to religion.
Suicide bombers give their lives to allah as martyrs, for them a very legitimate cause. Jihad has been called against the US for what we're doing in iraq.
Meanwhile, we're sitting over here believing that God is on our side because we're trying to bring freedom and democracy to a country. if only we could leave religion out of it.

Noah killed the dinosaurs.

Unfortunately, to leave religion out of it is impossible. If you say there is no God then you are atheist and that is a religion.

Also, an interesting fact I heard is that suicide bombers are actually against the Islamic faith.

And no, Noah did not kill the dinosaurs, we did with our sin.

But will it be right? In the eyes of society it may be but it might not actually be right.

The Ten Commandments describe what is right or wrong and it does so by telling us what is best to do. Is it not best, to not steal? Is it not best to let ppl live? You get where I'm going right? They provide a what is best for us to do.

i do get where you're going, but i find it hard to believe that there are complete absolutes.
Its probably best to leave it at that you do believe there are absolutes which can not be changed. Whereas I tend to believe that what is right and wrong is dictated by the collected beliefs of the peoples minds at any given particular time, which can be affected by their religions and other cultural factors.

Neither of us is right or wrong. it is a matter of opinion and faith.

i do get where you're going, but i find it hard to believe that there are complete absolutes.
Its probably best to leave it at that you do believe there are absolutes which can not be changed. Whereas I tend to believe that what is right and wrong is dictated by the collected beliefs of the peoples minds at any given particular time, which can be affected by their religions and other cultural factors.

Neither of us is right or wrong. it is a matter of opinion and faith.

True, but there is a right or wrong unfortunatey in this matter. The only way however in which we'll actually know who was right would be to die. But then, we wouldn't be able to tell everyone what we found out.

I'd like to say goodbye to everyone there because I've unfortunately got to get off. Have a wonderful and a safe day.

Unfortunately, to leave religion out of it is impossible. If you say there is no God then you are atheist and that is a religion.

Also, an interesting fact I heard is that suicide bombers are actually against the Islamic faith.

And no, Noah did not kill the dinosaurs, we did with our sin.

suicide bombing is against some peoples interpretation of islam. obviously it is acceptable according to somes interpretation because there are some that are giving their lives in the name of their faith.

What about scientific evidence pointing towards the fact that a meteor may have caused worldwide extinction?

What about scientific evidence pointing towards the fact that a meteor may have caused worldwide extinction?

This is why we should have open discussion on these matters.. there is no DEFINITIVE proof that a meteor did this.. it is just as bad to blindly follow science as religion

sadly even the conflicts today have some relation to religion.
Suicide bombers give their lives to allah as martyrs, for them a very legitimate cause. Jihad has been called against the US for what we're doing in iraq.
Meanwhile, we're sitting over here believing that God is on our side because we're trying to bring freedom and democracy to a country. if only we could leave religion out of it.

Noah killed the dinosaurs.
just one question...
how can one man collapse a vapor canopy and breach every underground spring on the planet?

What about scientific evidence pointing towards the fact that a meteor may have caused worldwide extinction?
Scientists, who according to some Protestant fundamentalists apparently are the enemy of God and the spawn of Satan, have also discovered where that dinokiller impacted. It's where the Mexican Gulf or the Caribian Sea is nowadays, I'm not 100% sure which one.

just one question...
how can one man collapse a vapor canopy and breach every underground spring on the planet?


...very craftily

Scientists, who according to some Protestant fundamentalists apparently are the enemy of God and the spawn of Satan, have also discovered where that dinokiller impacted. It's where the Mexican Gulf or the Caribian Sea is nowadays, I'm not 100% sure which one.


Not only have they found the one that allegedly dusted off the dinos but several others which may have caused mass extinctions world wide (the death of Steggy and T. Rex are not the only mass extinctions to have ever happened). I'd need to bust out the book I read to verify all the facts, but the jist of it is that cataclysmic events (meteors, volcanos, etc..) happen, geologically speaking, rather often. There are several impact craters in North America alone that were large enough to affect world wide climates for years and years. Also, virtually all of Yellowstone National Park is one large volcano caldera that erupts about every 600,000 years, last one took place about 630,000 years ago. If Yellowstone erupts pretty much all of the western US will be covered in dust several feet deep. The dust from previous eruptions is what makes Idaho's soil so damned good for growing potatoes.

The point is that life-ending, species-killing, baby-candy-stealing, stuff happens rather often on our little planet. The last ice age nearly ended all of human life. Evidence suggest the world wide population of humans may have dwindled to as little as 2,000 people for an extended period of time. We're more fragile than we think.

Firstly, the Earth according to the Bible is something like 6009 yrs.

Secondly, carbon dating has problems with that there are factors which affect the rate of it's decomposition. Also, you would need to know how much carbon was in the object when it was preserved. Another thing is that carbon 14 only last around I think it was 50,000 yrs so anything before that would have 0 carbon 14. Since no piece of coal has ever been found with 0 carbon then the Earth probably isn't over 50,000 yrs old.

Thirdly, the Jewish religion has been around for quite the time so there's evidence of a belief in one Almighty God. Since the Jews or Hebrews had a way of writting down history during Moses time then that would explain why there aren't cave drawings of the Ark of the Covenant. Also, not many ppl were allowed to even see te Ark of the Covenant after it's construction.

Fourthly, before the flood and even after, there were many ppl that probably rebelled against God and thus stopped worshipping him. Abram's father actually was an idol maker. So, idols and other religions weren't uncommon.


.....well sorry i dont read the bible...just sounds thrilling doesnt it...colonels right.if their is one allmighty god then why are their so many paintings, idols and whatever wich include ancestor worship and not god?
why didnt god do something about the romans or hitler? why are their more muslims than christians? why does so much evidence point to the fact that the bible is a pile of crap? the sceintific evidence outnumbers anything else 8 to one give up and stop being childish, when was the last time you saw a friggin unichorne? if the bible is right then every one in the world is incredably closely related (flood,noah ect) and the genetics just dont add up

This is why we should have open discussion on these matters.. there is no DEFINITIVE proof that a meteor did this.. it is just as bad to blindly follow science as religion

you got to be living in a cave to not know about that wopper of a cratwer thay found. any way i am more along the lines of the yellowstone aruption

Flashheart']you got to be living in a cave to not know about that wopper of a cratwer thay found. any way i am more along the lines of the yellowstone aruption
I'd have to say the irridium strata is the strongest evidence.

I'd have to say the irridium strata is the strongest evidence.

hmm i am intrigued...tell more of this strata

Flashheart']hmm i am intrigued...tell more of this strata

In short it's a global layer of irridium rich clay. Irridium is radioactive and somewhat rare on earth but is an element commonly found in asteroids. Beneath the irridium layer is the dinsosaur age. Above is a period of mass extinction and no more dinosaurs or any large terrestrial creature for that matter.

In short it's a global layer of irridium rich clay. Irridium is radioactive and somewhat rare on earth but is an element commonly found in asteroids. Beneath the irridium layer is the dinsosaur age. Above is a period of mass extinction and no more dinosaurs or any large terrestrial creature for that matter.

cool thanks :D

sorry i was never to good in physics ad geology :D ..or spelling

Flashheart'].....well sorry i dont read the bible...just sounds thrilling doesnt it...colonels right.if their is one allmighty god then why are their so many paintings, idols and whatever wich include ancestor worship and not god?
why didnt god do something about the romans or hitler? why are their more muslims than christians? why does so much evidence point to the fact that the bible is a pile of crap? the sceintific evidence outnumbers anything else 8 to one give up and stop being childish, when was the last time you saw a friggin unichorne? if the bible is right then every one in the world is incredably closely related (flood,noah ect) and the genetics just dont add up
Yay, someone to pick on!

First: Most people believe in God, as in one omnipotent omniscient omnipresent creator. That is right, MOST. Pick a random person, ANYWHERE in the world, and chances are they will believe in God. You have to remember that Muslims and Christians and Jews all believe in the same God. And so do many other religions. Muslims even believe in Jesus, they just think he's a prophet and not the Son of God.

Second: Well, I am not saying there is a God. I fully believe in God, and I can prove to you, if you were more intelligent, that a) you cannot disprove the existence of God, and b) God is FULLY compatible with Science. Of course, I cannot prove God exists either, but I can show that belief in God is as good as non-belief in God. Now, just because there are other idols or what-not, doesn't mean they exist either. And unlike God, it is more likely that there is a scientific proof against those other idols etc. God is just harder to put down ;)

Third: Why should God do something about the Romans or Hitler? Don't question him, man.

Fourth: If you take the Bible literally, it is "a pile of crap". However if you take the Bible literally, you also can't be too bright. The Bible was meant to be interpreted. Of course, the Flood DID occur. And Jesus WAS a historical figure. And the walls of Jericho DID fall. But the parts that you prove are crap are usually the parts that simple people take literally.

Fifth: I don't think unicorns exist. Neither does the Bible. And you CAN prove that they don't exist, unlike God. Its just really hard. But I think that most people here don't believe in unicorns either :p

Sixth: Please, show me you know ANYTHING about genetics.

Done :D

Yay, someone to pick on!



Sixth: Please, show me you know ANYTHING about genetics.

Done :D


...he did get 100% in the science test if that helps.. :(
by unichorns he meant that if some of the things in the bible are seriouse they should be real ...i think....his point on genetics was that that if there was a flood and that noah and co were the only escapees then that means that we would not have the genetic diversity we have now.
You shouldnt pick on tuttle he is a little....brash and arrogant and most of the time a little..contraversial...he spent 2 solid hours arguing with this chrisitan gitl at school, she nearly cried..he is a bit of ponce

Hello!?!? They were the demons that God sent the flood to kill. You really aren't too up on history, are ya?

why would got wait all that time and only waste them 65mya
why would he let them flourish and then wipe them out? they never did anything to anyone....and dont say that humans were round at the same time as dinosaurs