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Think about it, you do a good dead because it makes you feel good. so it is not a selfless act, it is seflish you are doing it because you will feel good after it!

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.

Think about it, you do a good dead because it makes you feel good. so it is not a selfless act, it is seflish you are doing it because you will feel good after it!

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.
A good DEAD? :eek:

Anyway: Don't watch too much Matrix

A good DEAD? :eek:

Anyway: Don't watch too much Matrix

i hate that film

Yes, human kindness can exist. Note that I didn't say it does exist. Often times people feel good about doing something because ti helps other people.

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.
true, and we have been very sucessful at it, being top of the food chain and all. its a good thing. lets destroy our planet and use all its resources as fast as we can too, while we're on the subject...

Think about it, you do a good dead because it makes you feel good. so it is not a selfless act, it is seflish you are doing it because you will feel good after it!.
supress the ego and good deeds are done for others. like buddah says:

To achieve Nirvana one must extinguish the belief in a separate self that gives rise to cravings, desires, and attachments.
The path to enlightenment includes loving-kindness and compassion, moral conduct, charity, wisdom, and meditation.

do that and good deeds are done out of human kindness and compassion, not out of greed

Yes, human kindness can exist. Note that I didn't say it does exist. Often times people feel good about doing something because ti helps other people.Agreed. I know plenty of people that do things for others not because they want to feel good, but because they genuinely want to help the others, or make them happy. However, I also know many others who will do seemingly nice things to make themselves feel better. But there are still plenty of people that don't bother to do anything that benefits anyone other than themselves. I think it depends on the individual, really.

Can human kindness exist?
This question is irrelevant, as humans don't exist.

I never think why I do the things that I do, I merely act on what needs to be done.

Think about it, you do a good dead because it makes you feel good. so it is not a selfless act, it is seflish you are doing it because you will feel good after it!

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.

Such a question is meaningless. To deny that human kindness exists is just a reinterpretation of human behaviour, "false consciousness" on a grand scale. It is impossible to test such a theory. Also, we'd have no distinction between selfish and unselfish behaviour.

Of course it can.
Did you never help someone, even though it was really pissing you off? For example, a friend asks you for some money to buy something stupid, it costs €14 and you only have €15. You wanted to buy something but if you give your friend the €14 you wont have enough, but you give him the money anyway. That's not making you feel good, it's pissing you off, but out of kindness you help your friend out.

from personal experance no

"Every kind thought is the hope of the world"
--The Ninth Configuration

then again....

"How could man be more than a talking, tennis playing panda bear if it weren't for the possibility of suffering?"
--The Ninth Configuration

Think about it, you do a good dead because it makes you feel good. so it is not a selfless act, it is seflish you are doing it because you will feel good after it!

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.
It does not have to be selfless in order to be kind

kind1 Audio pronunciation of "kind" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (knd)
adj. kind·er, kind·est

1. Of a friendly, generous, or warm-hearted nature.
2. Showing sympathy or understanding; charitable: a kind word.
3. Humane; considerate: kind to animals.
4. Forbearing; tolerant: Our neighbor was very kind about the window we broke.
5. Generous; liberal: kind words of praise.
6. Agreeable; beneficial: a dry climate kind to asthmatics.


All it has to be is frendly generous or warm-hearted ... all which can be acheved even if it makes you feel good as well

(now in the biblical sence of un-selflessness that is a different issue)

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.
As for this part … every species do this to one extent or another … why do you think all the nesting in ape/monkey’s they all modify their sleeping environment … we were just given reason as a tool to change it farther and with a purpose)

Not to mention virii traditional it is not a thoughtful modification to suit them … rather just a way of spreading.

Think about it, you do a good dead because it makes you feel good. so it is not a selfless act, it is seflish you are doing it because you will feel good after it!

A person's ability to detect motives are merely a function of how much a part of that person's character is made up of those motives. That's why no matter how good an idea that Liberals put forward Conservatives can make it sound evil. Because they're pure evil and they're telling you the only reason that they themselves would be motivated to do such a thing. That's why people think that taxes steal from them to give to others, yet usually the Liberals who favor such tax programs loose more than the Conservatives who oppose them but gain from them.

Also, you can judge a person himself as being selfish or selfless based on whether or not they help others. I'll borrow the non-interactive bouncy ball analogy from the athiest defenders. If two bouncy balls only interact with each other, not light, not the physical universe, not magnetism etc. can they truly be said to exist? By the same token, if the only selfishness in a person's motive is completly internal then you are in no position to call it selfish.

e.g. A friend of yours knows you're looking for a car and tells you that he knows someone who's selling a good one.

If his motive is the internally selfish one of wanting to do you a favor for a friend then you owe him your gratitude because there will never be any evidence of his having used you.

If he has the externally selfish motive of getting a commission, well then he might be willing to recommend this car to you even if it is terrible. If this turns out to be the case you not only owe him no gratitude, but less trust. See?

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.

No, all organisms change the environment by their presence, just some more than others. Take a look at wolves in the national parks. Wolves show up, the deer and bison slowly become faster and healthier with stronger muscles, also, they have to move. The trees then grow better because deer tear at the trunks and eat the seedlings, causing deforestation. The extra trees allow beaver to directly change the environment of the river by building dams. This leads to an increased fish population, which feeds the bears.

human kindess does not exist pepole arent kind to me

So is there a basic instinct to be kind, or is it just that people desire praise / rewards? :confused:

If human kindness existed, there'd be less hate in the world. Hate is the only language of humans. I for example, hate this world, and want to conquer it for myself.

ure right thier tin

So is there a basic instinct to be kind, or is it just that people desire praise / rewards? :confused:
that is exacly what i mean.... do we do the takes to be rewarded? i say yes. All humans only do things they they will get someting. you work for money.

that is exacly what i mean.... do we do the takes to be rewarded? i say yes. All humans only do things they they will get someting. you work for money.
Even if we do it to be rewarded it can still be kind (read my previous posts)

Think about it, you do a good dead because it makes you feel good. so it is not a selfless act, it is seflish you are doing it because you will feel good after it!
Sometimes. However, altruism is indeed its own entity. I'm sure that it originated, at least for homonids, as giving a favour to recieve a favour later. But it has changed, and there are indeed people who are truly selfless.

Also i believe that humans are virous and other animal will change to it's enviorment, but humans will change the enviorment to sute them, the only other orginisam in the world that does that is a virous.
I will assume that by virous you mean virus. First of all, I'm guessing you've never seen ants. Because you can not tell me they don't change their environment to suit themselves. That is only one of the most extreme examples, however. Second, viruses are not animals or organisms, but their own life-form. Third, I have no idea what the hell you mean by viruses changing their environment to suit themselves, since that's not really what they do. Some viruses induce symptoms that are advantageous to themselves, and some do not. Take anthrax for example. Since it is actually a virus of hoofed animals, when it infects humans it really has no effective way of spreading.

Not to mention virii traditional it is not a thoughtful modification to suit them … rather just a way of spreading.
That is true of all life forms. Reproduction is the name of the game. And virii is improper. The only true plural of virus that exists in English or Latin is viruses. In Latin, virus is a mass noun, which refers to poison, but it has no plural. And even if it wasn't, virii would not be a possible plural. Only words like radius and genius, radii and genii respectively, could possibly have that plural.

No, all organisms change the environment by their presence, just some more than others. Take a look at wolves in the national parks. Wolves show up, the deer and bison slowly become faster and healthier with stronger muscles, also, they have to move. The trees then grow better because deer tear at the trunks and eat the seedlings, causing deforestation. The extra trees allow beaver to directly change the environment of the river by building dams. This leads to an increased fish population, which feeds the bears.
What you just described is natural selection. The only example of changing the environment to suit the organism in there is the beaver, which really is a good example.

I help, when I can without hurting. I don't do it to feel better, just to help.

I care about people