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I just wasted my 666th post, damn!!!
Ohwell, is anyone on NS general a satanist?
I'm a athiest myself (does that make me worse or better in the eyes of Christians?)

Nah, not a Satanist. I don't believe in any of it, so there's no reason to be one.

Of course, I'd masquerade as one to freak the shit out of bible-pushers. I've gotta get my kicks somehow.

Satanist? Well some radical right wingers have called me a pinko..but never a Satanist.

I just wasted my 666th post, damn!!!
Ohwell, is anyone on NS general a satanist?
I'm a athiest myself (does that make me worse or better in the eyes of Christians?)

I'm an athiest, however I believe the 9 Satanic Statemens from LeVay Satanism are generaly true and are sound knowledge.

Nah, not a Satanist. I don't believe in any of it, so there's no reason to be one.

Of course, I'd masquerade as one to freak the shit out of bible-pushers. I've gotta get my kicks somehow.

I once told a jehovahs witness I was a satanist! worst mistake of my life, he made it his mission to save me!!! Then I told him I was a catholic, and he left me alone!!!

I just wasted my 666th post, damn!!!
Ohwell, is anyone on NS general a satanist?
I'm a athiest myself (does that make me worse or better in the eyes of Christians?)

maybe it makes you worse. Biblically God disliked fence sitters more than outright enemies. Atheist say both sides are wrong so you could say they sit on the fence, then again, you could say they are a third option.

I once told a jehovahs witness I was a satanist! worst mistake of my life, he made it his mission to save me!!! Then I told him I was a catholic, and he left me alone!!!


I don't think he'd like what I'dve done. Hah, he probably would've been scared "shitless".

I'd masquerade as a Satanist, and I'd also put Motel/Hotel Bibles in their respective toilets. Man, the look on somebody's face if they see one of those... PRICELESS!

no.

I don't think he'd like what I'dve done. Hah, he probably would've been scared "shitless".

I'd masquerade as a Satanist, and I'd also put Motel/Hotel Bibles in their respective toilets. Man, the look on somebody's face if they see one of those... PRICELESS!

Do hotels come with bibles in the USA?

Man that's weird. Over here they just come with really poor service!!!

　I once told a JW I loved war and wanted the world to fight all the time about everything because it was fun, fun fun!! He left my doorstep quietly. It was soooo much fun.

no.

Yes! er... wait, maybe, er... no, er... I don't know!!!

Personally I am agnostic, It is all a bunch of bull. I think that Satanism is just a big cry for attention.

I am a Christian though I don't really agree about what Atheist's say it's really up to them... But Satanists thats a diffrent story!

　I once told a JW I loved war and wanted the world to fight all the time about everything because it was fun, fun fun!! He left my doorstep quietly. It was soooo much fun.

I used to be a Catholic, and a friend of mine who wasn't a catholic wanted to give confession a go, so I took her along, and she confessed to the priest that she was sexually attracted to him (not true, he was about 60 and fat)! he just started stuttering and didn't know what to say!!!

Personally I am agnostic, It is all a bunch of bull. I think that Satanism is just a big cry for attention.

This raises a question.

What do you mean by satanism?

LaVey Satanism (i.e. The Church of Satan) or Satanism as in worshiping the Christian satan?

I am a Christian though I don't really agree about what Atheist's say it's really up to them... But Satanists thats a diffrent story!

What kind of story?

Eh, I believe in God, but I'm not into organized religion. I believe what I believe, and no institution's gonna mess with that.

I'm a Christian though I don't agree to what Atheists tell me thats there choice.

I used to be a Catholic, and a friend of mine who wasn't a catholic wanted to give confession a go, so I took her along, and she confessed to the priest that she was sexually attracted to him (not true, he was about 60 and fat)! he just started stuttering and didn't know what to say!!!

sweeeeet, nothing like confusing and stunning people!!

sweeeeet, nothing like confusing and stunning people!!

Especially when, like that priest, they are right bastards!!!

Personally I am agnostic, It is all a bunch of bull. I think that Satanism is just a big cry for attention.

No kidding!

I usually class Satanists with "real" vampires and the like - people who can't cope with the concept of being nobody special.

The ones that particularly amuse me are the ones that claim to have read the pages of the Necronomicon. It makes me laugh because it basically shows them to be uneducated and ready to believe just about anything they see in a scary movie. The Necronomicon is well-documented as being a ficticious book of the damned used by good ol' HP Lovecraft.

It doesn't exist. It never has, it never will. I won't be so closed-minded as to say that there is not some text out there that is written in blood on pages of flesh that details the means to summon demons or whatever... just that IT ISN'T THE NECRONOMICON!

Do hotels come with bibles in the USA?

Man that's weird. Over here they just come with really poor service!!!
In Canada they do. There's some Canadian Bible group that goes around handing them out.

Takuma, there is no such thing as Christian Devil Worship. Anyone who claims to be is a fool looking for attention by being scary etc. 'Satanic Ritual Abuse' cases were either false or they were committed by people with a history of mental instability.

I am a Spiritual Satanist. To clear up misconceptions, I only say I'm a Satanist when asked, otherwise there is no point, I don't need more attention. As for why then, becuase it is interesting and I find it exhilirating.

Do hotels come with bibles in the USA?

Man that's weird. Over here they just come with really poor service!!!


Every fucking motel/hotel in this country has a bible SOMEWHERE in the room. I will make it my mission to toss any bibles I find right into the toilet. Oh, and possibly leave a burnt, charred one by the sink.

That would be fucking hilarious.

yes.

In Canada they do. There's some Canadian Bible group that goes around handing them out.

Takuma, there is no such thing as Christian Devil Worship. Anyone who claims to be is a fool looking for attention by being scary etc. 'Satanic Ritual Abuse' cases were either false or they were committed by people with a history of mental instability.

I am a Spiritual Satanist.

What does a spiritual satanist do/believe?

In Canada they do. There's some Canadian Bible group that goes around handing them out.

Takuma, there is no such thing as Christian Devil Worship. Anyone who claims to be is a fool looking for attention by being scary etc. 'Satanic Ritual Abuse' cases were either false or they were committed by people with a history of mental instability.

I am a Spiritual Satanist.

Ok, then I'm confused. What's your concept of "Satan" then? What is it/he?

Hail Satan! Yeah, he's an evil demon...good ol' dad.

Especially when, like that priest, they are right bastards!!!
Yeah, I can see why some people would want to forsake marriage and become catholic priests. Celibacy means nothing to people who can't get any anyway without resorting to rape, but the next best thing is basking first hand in the stories of other people's juicy sex lives...

I'm more of an atheistic hedonist.

If you really want to get rid of jehovah's witness just tell them you've been excommunicated. It's actually against their religion for them to talk to you.

I'm more of an atheistic hedonist.

That's a good thing to be. I intend to be that once I get some money together (i'm ugly!!!)

Will you help with my plan of bible torture?

C'mon, putting bibles in hotel toilets will be a good laugh. Just remember to close the lid after you put one in... It really enhances the effect.

Will you help with my plan of bible torture?

C'mon, putting bibles in hotel toilets will be a good laugh. Just remember to close the lid after you put one in... It really enhances the effect.

I had a friend who used bible pages to make spliffs when he'd run out of skins!!!

Spliffs... Skins...

...What the hell are you talking about...?

Kervoskia, shut up.

As to what are Spiritual Satanism's beliefs. As for Satan, an extra-terrestrial who through genetic manipulation created humans from apes. Called Enki by the Sumerians and Ptah by the Egyptians the creation of humans caused a great war between His race, the Angels eventually winning and imprisoning Him and the Demons (other Ancient Gods). The seals are breaking and the Demons gaining power as the Age of Aquarius approaches when they will once again wage war against the Angels, this time to be victorious. Atleast that's how the story goes.

I'm in it more for the personal part, the reason it is known as Spiritual Satanism is because it encorporates not only the fulfillment of the body, but also of the soul through meditation, which I've found to be quite effective.

As for why we call ourselves Satanists and not Enkists or something of the like, is because it is more easily recognized and they are the same entity, by a different name. It is standard to use the old names, instead of the Christian names.

As for our differences from other sects. We believe unlike LaVey that Satan is real. Not only must the body be indulged but also through the spirit, and through indulgence in both we advance, to us the two are not mutually exclusive but rather, they're mutually required. We aren't inverted Christians, simply because we follow ancient pre-Christian teachings, which were destroyed and are now being re-written; we pre-date Christianity under a different name. As I said above, the only similarity is that they stole our Gods names and perverted them.

Hope that explains it, if you want to learn more, http://www.joyofsatan.com/.

Will you help with my plan of bible torture?

C'mon, putting bibles in hotel toilets will be a good laugh. Just remember to close the lid after you put one in... It really enhances the effect.

Sorry, i for one cannot help you. I love books, all books and shudder at the thought of damaging one regardless of its contents. I do not dog ear, tear or stain. I do not crease the backs of paperbacks and I remove the covers of hardbacks when I read them so that i do not damage them.

I am apalled and horrified and will need a shot of whiskey to calm my nerves after reading your idea.

Spliffs... Skins...

...What the hell are you talking about...?

Spliff: Joint, Reefer, Marijuana cigarette!

Skins: Cigarette papers, rizlas!

I would technically be a LaVey Satanist, if it didn't stick in my craw to be arrogant and hypocritical and claim that I've never done anything stupid ever. Basically, I'm too honest to be a Satanist. Whatever, what need to join that particular branch of elitism when I can just decide that according to my own religion, I'm God and if I decide that someone sucks, they do. :p

Kervoskia, shut up.
My apologies.

satinist pfftt

Kervoskia, shut up.

As to what are Spiritual Satanism's beliefs. As for Satan, an extra-terrestrial who through genetic manipulation created humans from apes. Called Enki by the Sumerians and Ptah by the Egyptians the creation of humans caused a great war between His race, the Angels eventually winning and imprisoning Him and the Demons (other Ancient Gods). The seals are breaking and the Demons gaining power as the Age of Aquarius approaches when they will once again wage war against the Angels, this time to be victorious. Atleast that's how the story goes.

I'm in it more for the personal part, the reason it is known as Spiritual Satanism is because it encorporates not only the fulfillment of the body, but also of the soul through meditation, which I've found to be quite effective.

As for why we call ourselves Satanists and not Enkists or something of the like, is because it is more easily recognized and they are the same entity, by a different name. It is standard to use the old names, instead of the Christian names.

As for our differences from other sects. We believe unlike LaVey that Satan is real. Not only must the body be indulged but also through the spirit, and through indulgence in both we advance, to us the two are not mutually exclusive but rather, they're mutually required. We aren't inverted Christians, simply because we follow ancient pre-Christian teachings, which were destroyed and are now being re-written; we pre-date Christianity under a different name. As I said above, the only similarity is that they stole our Gods names and perverted them.

Hope that explains it, if you want to learn more, http://www.joyofsatan.com/.

Thanks, might give that website a look!!!

Spliff: Joint, Reefer, Marijuana cigarette!

Skins: Cigarette papers, rizlas!


Ahh. I see.

And come on, it's all in good fun. There are so many copies of the Bible that it couldn't possibly do any harm (though I would like to harm it somewhat).

Ahh. I see.

And come on, it's all in good fun. There are so many copies of the Bible that it couldn't possibly do any harm (though I would like to harm it somewhat).

That's why I advocated using them to smoke weed! Get stoned, and not do any harm!!!

listen I'm a athiest and satan rules! so "you must embrace the darkness" let us all stand in prayer to our lord satan..................... screw praying hey i uesd to be a christian but that religion sucks so i left but let me tell you some of the reasons i left that religion
1.their scared of satan and god

2.they will get mad at u if you say god in a sentance or say plz dont use gods name in vein.

3.most of them dont even know what they are praying too.

god is a mith made up by some guy to get some ignorant people to follow him jesus was a farmer he was no choosen one he was a nobody

Yeah, we can get stoned, but then we put some in the toilet!

...Oh, and leaving a charred one by the sink wouldn't have the same effect. Opening the toilet and finding a bible floating in it would be fantastic.

Well, not for the person opening the lid, but for us. Just knowing that some religious turd has found a befouled (don't ask) bible in the toilet would brighten any bad day.

Satanist? Nah... I'm not spiritual or religious in any way, shape or form.

For those of you looking for a creative way of dealing with JoHos, do what I do. Whenever a JoHo comes to my door, I act extremely frightened, then I scream as loud as I can, slam the door, and run around the front of my house screaming until I hear them leave. It's a lot of fun.

listen I'm a athiest and satan rules! so "you must embrace the darkness" let us all stand in prayer to our lord satan..................... screw praying hey i uesd to be a christian but that religion sucks so i left but let me tell you some of the reasons i left that religion
1.their scared of satan and god

2.they will get mad at u if you say god in a sentance or say plz dont use gods name in vein.

3.most of them dont even know what they are praying too.

god is a mith made up by some guy to get some ignorant people to follow him jesus was a farmer he was no choosen one he was a nobody


I hear ya, but please... Can you clarify it a bit more next time? It looks like you've been awake for three days on a regiment of speed.

listen I'm a athiest and satan rules! so "you must embrace the darkness" let us all stand in prayer to our lord satan..................... screw praying hey i uesd to be a christian but that religion sucks so i left but let me tell you some of the reasons i left that religion
1.their scared of satan and god

2.they will get mad at u if you say god in a sentance or say plz dont use gods name in vein.

3.most of them dont even know what they are praying too.

god is a mith made up by some guy to get some ignorant people to follow him jesus was a farmer he was no choosen one he was a nobody

If you are an atheist than you don't believe in Satan. Jesus was a carpenter, not a farmer. I am a Christian, Goddammit!!! oh wait, I offended myself and I didn't get mad. I guess all Christians do not worry about saying "dirty" words.

If you are an atheist than you don't believe in Satan. Jesus was a carpenter, not a farmer. I am a Christian, Goddammit!!! oh wait, I offended myself and I didn't get mad. I guess all Christians do not worry about saying "dirty" words.


Seems to be the case.

Satanist? Nah... I'm not spiritual or religious in any way, shape or form.

For those of you looking for a creative way of dealing with JoHos, do what I do. Whenever a JoHo comes to my door, I act extremely frightened, then I scream as loud as I can, slam the door, and run around the front of my house screaming until I hear them leave. It's a lot of fun.

Cool, don't any of them try to help you? Bloody hypocrits!!!

:upyours: That's cute!!!

Maybe one should try wetting their pants in front of the JoHo's. That, and possibly taking a dump along with it.

listen I'm a athiest and satan rules! so "you must embrace the darkness" let us all stand in prayer to our lord satan..................... screw praying hey i uesd to be a christian but that religion sucks so i left but let me tell you some of the reasons i left that religion
1.their scared of satan and god

2.they will get mad at u if you say god in a sentance or say plz dont use gods name in vein.

3.most of them dont even know what they are praying too.

god is a mith made up by some guy to get some ignorant people to follow him jesus was a farmer he was no choosen one he was a nobody

Errr... an atheist that follows Satan? Right.

Jesus was a carpenter, not a farmer. Look, in no way is it my place to criticise what someone else has written but if you're going to call a bunch of people ignorant it would be wise to avoid tarring yourself with the same brush.

Errr... an atheist that follows Satan? Right.

Jesus was a carpenter, not a farmer. Look, in no way is it my place to criticise what someone else has written but if you're going to call a bunch of people ignorant it would be wise to avoid tarring yourself with the same brush.

I was under the impression that Jesus was a fisher.... OF MEN.... and therefore a Cannibal!!!

Actually, I'd be more afraid of a Stalinist than a Satanist...

Okay, that sounded a whole lot funnier when I first thought it out. Bleh.

:rolleyes:

ok srry jesus was a carpenter not a farmer i just made a mistake :upyours:

I was under the impression that Jesus was a fisher.... OF MEN.... and therefore a Cannibal!!!


Okay... Where'd you get that idea?

I can see it now: Jesus lures his prey into a temple. They go on with the regular ceremonies, then he slips every one a mickey (sp?). The day after, they're all gone. And Jesus comes out with a newly-dyed cloak!

Okay... Where'd you get that idea?

I can see it now: Jesus lures his prey into a temple. They go on with the regular ceremonies, then he slips every one a mickey (sp?). The day after, they're all gone. And Jesus comes out with a newly-dyed cloak!

And has unexpectedly put on 400lbs!!!

Every fucking motel/hotel in this country has a bible SOMEWHERE in the room. I will make it my mission to toss any bibles I find right into the toilet. Oh, and possibly leave a burnt, charred one by the sink.

That would be fucking hilarious.



DOOM for you, and guess what? A little More DOOM fOR YOUR DOOMED LIFE IN EREBUS or whatever the call it. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Was that supposed to be scary? It came off as being a bit stupid.

Okay... Where'd you get that idea?

I can see it now: Jesus lures his prey into a temple. They go on with the regular ceremonies, then he slips every one a mickey (sp?). The day after, they're all gone. And Jesus comes out with a newly-dyed cloak!

3000 newly dyed cloaks! He can mircle up a storm of'em! Sell'em discount at Walmart.

ok srry jesus was a carpenter not a farmer i just made a mistake :upyours:

give me the bird will ya!? Double phooey on you!!

i guess. um, i dunno, well no, ummmmmm... I give up :headbang:

I can understand you not sharing the same beliefs of Christians, but showing disrespect because you think it's funny? 14 year olds should not be allowed to post on this message board.

I'm 14 now? Wow, three years can drop off just like that?

Is this free? It better not be another mail-order scam...

I can understand you not sharing the same beliefs of Christians, but showing disrespect because you think it's funny? 14 year olds should not be allowed to post on this message board.

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

HEY! i'm so smart... I'm a christian and all you other groups are WRONG! WRONG WRONG WRONG! If ure a "Satanist" i dont get it. Why Worship the devil??? huh? huh? huh? :upyours:

HEY! i'm so smart... I'm a christian and all you other groups are WRONG! WRONG WRONG WRONG! If ure a "Satanist" i dont get it. Why Worship the devil??? huh? huh? huh? :upyours:


What.

The.

Fuck?

What.

The.

Fuck?

What.

the.

*!@#

*Sigh*

*Sigh*

*strawberry*



:p

HEY! i'm so smart... I'm a christian and all you other groups are WRONG! WRONG WRONG WRONG! If ure a "Satanist" i dont get it. Why Worship the devil??? huh? huh? huh? :upyours:
I really hope you're joking, that just sounds retarded...

If you're serious:
Mainly because life is a lot more fun when I can do whatever I want instead of having to abstain. Your shit about being punished in the next life, different view. My pleasure is just gonna continue when I die.

I'm an athiest, however I believe the 9 Satanic Statemens from LeVay Satanism are generaly true and are sound knowledge.

Dead On

So what would it mean to be a satanist? I guess I could be considered by some a satanist, as I was raised Catholic, but eventually denounced my old religion as hypocrisy.

Is a satanist anything besides one of those who worships a mono-theistic entity, or someone who actively does the direct opposite of the teachings of christianity, or someone who just does whatever they want, despite what other think.

Personally, I try to do what I see as most beneficial to myself and others who I can feel for, aside from doing what I wish, sanctions and so forth be damned. I guess I could be considered a satanist. I consider myself more an agnostic, and I don't really worship anything.

I really hope you're joking, that just sounds retarded...

If you're serious:
Mainly because life is a lot more fun when I can do whatever I want instead of having to abstain. Your shit about being punished in the next life, different view. My pleasure is just gonna continue when I die.



I'm qwoting the quote the you quoted. Or something like that.

I believe that you will be punished if you favor satan... its just kinda weird... well very strange to me.... but thats just me.

I'm 14 now? Wow, three years can drop off just like that?

Is this free? It better not be another mail-order scam...
Yay, another 17 year old. When I was seventeen...

Yay, another 17 year old. When I was seventeen...

I drank some very good beer,
I drank some very good beer
that I purchased with a fake ID
My name was rob mcgee
When I was seventeen

Yay, another 17 year old. When I was seventeen...


Oh boy. That might be a conversation ender.

:confused: I drank some very good beer,
I drank some very good beer
that I purchased with a fake ID
My name was rob mcgee
When I was seventeen

Ummm, how have you been feeling around the areas about the head recently?

Yay, another 17 year old. When I was seventeen...


You're only 17
Got a lot to learn
But when your business dies
You will not return

See my face, not a trace
No reality
Oh I don't work, I just speed
That's all I need

I'm a lazy sod
I'm a lazy sod
I'm a lazy sod

I'm so laaaazy

*Yawn*

I thought this was a thread about religion not poems??!!!

:confused:

Ummm, how have you been feeling around the areas about the head recently?

What my hair... fine, though I'm worried I might be receding slightly!!!

I'm qwoting the quote the you quoted. Or something like that.

I believe that you will be punished if you favor satan... its just kinda weird... well very strange to me.... but thats just me.
...*confused* We'll leave it.

Mordor Prime, I think it is refered to as one who follows the thing that is called Satan, not an inverted Christian necessarily though. Just being materialistic, is just that, being materialistic, and being of a different religion is just being different.

I thought this was a thread about religion not poems??!!!


It's not a poem. It's a song called "Seventeen".

What my hair... fine, though I'm worried I might be receding slightly!!!


I mean your brain einstein :(

it's still musical poteria

satinist pfftt

yeah, all the cool people are velvetist

All hail He who Does Not Exist, the Principle, the Question, the Anti-Dogmaticism.

it's still musical poteria


Musical Poteria... What sort of a disease is that?

Musical Poteria... What sort of a disease is that?

i'm saying that a song is musical, and this is a thread about religion.
Duh.

This conversation is gettin' boring. bye ya'll.

to everyone who is not a satanist :upyours:

I'm not arrogant enough to be a LaVey Satanist. I consider that LaVey style satanism is pretty much the true satanism. In that it denies the existence of Satan. In doing that, it also denies the existence of God. To worship Satan, is to acknowledge that God exists. And is therefore in the same realm as Christianity. So all those devil worshippers are in fact Christians! Ooooh, think about it.

Alistair Crowley type Satanism is just ridiculous and attention seeking, yes. That's the type you'd associate with vampyrism, the whole sacrificing infants thing. Which, I believe someone else has mentioned, mostly doesn't actually exist.

Atheism isn't sitting on the fence, it is in direct contrast to Christianity or other religions that believe in higher powers. Worshipping Satan would be on the same side of the fence as Christianity.

Agnosticism, now that's sitting on the fence ;)

Do you point it up or down? Anton Levay was a truly evil person, because he did not understand the true religion of the idea of a higher power. It may not be all that we expect, but if Jesus died for our sins, we must all understand that the essence of who we are survives beyound our physical bodies, and although we may not be the same as we are here on earth, some part of us doe's survive. For all of you athiests out there, at the final moment when you are about to die, You will all call to God. It's a natural thing to do. The scientists are developing string theoy. It's amazing indeed. Maybe you should look into it.

Do you point it up or down? Anton Levay was a truly evil person, because he did not understand the true religion of the idea of a higher power. It may not be all that we expect, but if Jesus died for our sins, we must all understand that the essence of who we are survives beyound our physical bodies, and although we may not be the same as we are here on earth, some part of us doe's survive. For all of you athiests out there, at the final moment when you are about to die, You will all call to God. It's a natural thing to do. The scientists are developing string theoy. It's amazing indeed. Maybe you should look into it.

Errr... what exactly does string theory have to do with the rest of your post?

Out of morbid curiosity, what does string theory mean to you Moonhippie?

Will you help with my plan of bible torture?

C'mon, putting bibles in hotel toilets will be a good laugh. Just remember to close the lid after you put one in... It really enhances the effect.

Maybe you should try reading the Bible instead.

I'm not arrogant enough to be a LaVey Satanist. I consider that LaVey style satanism is pretty much the true satanism. In that it denies the existence of Satan. In doing that, it also denies the existence of God. To worship Satan, is to acknowledge that God exists. And is therefore in the same realm as Christianity. So all those devil worshippers are in fact Christians! Ooooh, think about it.

Alistair Crowley type Satanism is just ridiculous and attention seeking, yes. That's the type you'd associate with vampyrism, the whole sacrificing infants thing. Which, I believe someone else has mentioned, mostly doesn't actually exist.

Atheism isn't sitting on the fence, it is in direct contrast to Christianity or other religions that believe in higher powers. Worshipping Satan would be on the same side of the fence as Christianity.

Agnosticism, now that's sitting on the fence ;)
Just because it validates that the counter-part exists doesn't mean that it is in the same realm of Christianity. By that reasoning, Christianity would be in the same realm as Satanism and LaVeyan Satanism would be in the same realm as Wicca (with their talk of the earth spirit etc.). It does not place something in the same realm for sharing a common charectaristic.

Moonhippie, two points up. As for the almighty Jebus saving us, I don't want to be saved by that ass. I'm quite happy with what I believe.

Maybe you should try reading the Bible instead.


How about no? I'll put as many Bibles in as many toilets as I please.

Just because it validates that the counter-part exists doesn't mean that it is in the same realm of Christianity. By that reasoning, Christianity would be in the same realm as Satanism and LaVeyan Satanism would be in the same realm as Wicca (with their talk of the earth spirit etc.). It does not place something in the same realm for sharing a common charectaristic.

If by worshipping Satan, you are paying homage to Lucifer, the angel that fell from God's grace (or however the story goes) then it does basically mean you are validating Christianity. Which, to my mind, means that there must be largely an acceptance of Christianity (even if you only use that acceptance to turn around and support the "bad" guy).

I would consider it to be largely the "flip-side" of Christianity which puts it in the same realm (according to me, anyway).

I haven't really studied LaVey so I can't talk knowledgeably on the subject but if there is talk of worshipping some earth spirit then it would (again, as I see things) put it into the same category as Wicca. The methodology, reasoning & intent might be completely different but the central figures remain the same.

I guess the definition really boils down to how close one ideology has to be to another to get lumped together. All I require is the same basic framework, so for me Satanism & Christianity are easy to lump together (even if they are opposites).

By the way, your quote about Chrestians is still wrong you know.

No offense, but LaVey was a crock. His entire life and two biographies were a bag of lies. First, LaVey dictated his own biographies, as is evidenced by the fact that of the two authors, one was Burton Wolfe, a close asociate, and that the other was written by Blanche Barton, his live-in secretary and his "baby's momma." The second biography contradicted the first and introduced new "fables" for the weak-minded.

First off, his birth name was not Anton Szander LaVey. It was Howard Stanton Levey, which is what is on his birth certificate. His parents were not named Joseph and Augusta, they were Michael and Gertrude. His grandmother was not a Gipsy or from Transylvania, and she knew nothing of the "Drak Side," even though that is who he claimed to be his first teacher. She was a Ukrainian named Cecile.

He did not play in the San Francisco Ballet Orchestra in 1945 at the age of 15. There was no San Francisco Ballet Orchestra in 1945.

He was never in the Clyde Beatty Circus. He never knew Marilyn Monroe. He wsn't in Germany in 1945, and he was not shown films of Satanic rituals etc. He was in Northern California in 1945.

He was never a San Francisco police photographer. He never went to San Francisco City College. The house that became the official headquarters of the "Church of Satan" actually belonged to his parents, not Mammy Pleasant.

He never began the "Church of Satan" in 1966 during Walpurgisnacht. He was not in Germany at the time. He was in California still, doing seminars in his house at $2 a head.


The list goes on and on. The "LaVey Look" came about because his wife dared him to shave his head, and Yezidi qawwals do not shave their heads.

It's ridiculous. His life was a lie, and so was his message.

No offense, but LaVey was a crock. His entire life and two biographies were a bag of lies. First, LaVey dictated his own biographies, as is evidenced by the fact that of the two authors, one was Burton Wolfe, a close asociate, and that the other was written by Blanche Barton, his live-in secretary and his "baby's momma." The second biography contradicted the first and introduced new "fables" for the weak-minded.

First off, his birth name was not Anton Szander LaVey. It was Howard Stanton Levey, which is what is on his birth certificate. His parents were not named Joseph and Augusta, they were Michael and Gertrude. His grandmother was not a Gipsy or from Transylvania, and she knew nothing of the "Drak Side," even though that is who he claimed to be his first teacher. She was a Ukrainian named Cecile.

He did not play in the San Francisco Ballet Orchestra in 1945 at the age of 15. There was no San Francisco Ballet Orchestra in 1945.

He was never in the Clyde Beatty Circus. He never knew Marilyn Monroe. He wsn't in Germany in 1945, and he was not shown films of Satanic rituals etc. He was in Northern California in 1945.

He was never a San Francisco police photographer. He never went to San Francisco City College. The house that became the official headquarters of the "Church of Satan" actually belonged to his parents, not Mammy Pleasant.

He never began the "Church of Satan" in 1966 during Walpurgisnacht. He was not in Germany at the time. He was in California still, doing seminars in his house at $2 a head.


The list goes on and on. The "LaVey Look" came about because his wife dared him to shave his head, and Yezidi qawwals do not shave their heads.

It's ridiculous. His life was a lie, and so was his message.


Hah, sounds similar to that World War II "historian" who was actually plagiarizing the work of dozens of other people. He died not too long ago, come to think of it.

Well, similar in the fact that both men were total crocks.

Damn straight. if you are going to believe in some religion that was created magically in the last 40 years, at least make sure the leader isn't pulling some stupid Waco cult trick.

In reference to an earlier post: I AM arrogant enough to call myself a LaVeyan Satanist. I have been for many years, and don't plan on giving it up.

As for LaVey being a crock, would anyone care to PROVE any historical facts concerning the founders of any of the world mainstream religions?

In answer to the threads question, my answer is 'yes"

Lol I like freaking Christians out. Once i answered the door to a Jehovah's Witness wearing a big pentacle round my neck, and threatened to curse her. She couldn't take her eyes off the pentacle, and eventually ran away.

I once told a jehovahs witness I was a satanist! worst mistake of my life, he made it his mission to save me!!! Then I told him I was a catholic, and he left me alone!!!
i did something similar once. i told them that i had just finished building the giant inverted cross for tonight's baby sacrifice and invited them to stop by a drink some baby blood with us. they ran away and we've never had another infestation of them around here.

does getting worshipped count?


I had some of those witnesses bugging me too, but by now I think they're scared...

i did something similar once. i told them that i had just finished building the giant inverted cross for tonight's baby sacrifice and invited them to stop by a drink some baby blood with us. they ran away and we've never had another infestation of them around here.

Yeah I suspect I wasn't scary enough!!!

Damn straight. if you are going to believe in some religion that was created magically in the last 40 years, at least make sure the leader isn't pulling some stupid Waco cult trick.

At some stage, every religion was only "created magically in the last 40 years".

I just wasted my 666th post, damn!!!
Ohwell, is anyone on NS general a satanist?
I'm a athiest myself (does that make me worse or better in the eyes of Christians?)

You are seen as others percieve you based on their own views and faith.

The faithless will see you as who you are, the Faithful will see you as not one of them.

what is the string theory? i am very interested :D

what is the string theory? i am very interested :D

Its a physical model. Physicists think it may lead to a unified theory (the holy grail of physics). Even if I were well versed in the advanced math necessary to properly explain string theory, this would not be the proper forum to do so. You might try looking in theoretical physics textbooks or journals for more info.

ah k thx - btw me = non-satanist

(Read to page 5, then got bored) I would consider Luciferians to be much more dangerous the Satanists, since Lucifer is the master of trickery. It's funny, has anyone noticed a certain pattern in stories of rebellious gods in all ages? Loki, for instance.

You foolish Satanists! I ask you, what good has Satan ever done? Did he ever sacrifice himself to you? :headbang:

allot of people seem to confuse neo-satanism with satanism, even neo-satanists