NationStates Jolt Archive

So, it's been revealed (although we knew this all along) that the US exports or "renders" "terror suspects" to countries where torture is routinely used in order to extract information, such as Morocco, Egypt and Uzbekistan.

A former diplomat in Uzbekistan claims that suspects "had limbs inserted into boiling liquid" and was even showed pictures of a man who was boiled to death. :(

The US hasn't denied all of this, but claims that these measurs are "saving lives."

Mamdouh Habib (an Australian terror suspect who was rendered to Egypt, then held at Guantanamo) speaks on Dateline tomorrow.

This sort of thing disgusts me. Some moral high ground...

Discuss.

Um.... It's Bad.

No, seriously, I think it's very true. But I also think that it's probably been true for the past wars as well. Similar to wartime atrocities prior to Vietnam. I believe that there have been atrocities eerily similar to events like My Lai (etc..), and that this is just another outcome of the "Information Age". People are now seeing the ugliness of war, but this is what soldiers have witnessed ever since World War I (the first real "war of attrition").

So yeah, bad stuff. But I'm not surprised. Other people do bad stuff too.