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I've always wondered to myself what Germany would be like today if Hitler and the fascists had ever came to power. If anyone has any thoughts about this feel free to share.

i assume you mean never...

well the population of Israel would be probably 15 million by now. The cold war or nuke threat would have never happened...and technology would be less then it is today.

War=progress in technology

I knew that but how would Germanyb have prospered and what could have been gained had WW2 never happened.

Depression would've lasted longer...millions more would die from starvation and disease, but eventually the stock exchange would correct itself.

there might not have been a ww2, but there still would be wars in the years to come..probably not as hi-tech though.

Hmm, have to think that the Soviet Unoin would have invaded from the east regardless. I think war was inevitable, just who was going to start itwas the question.

the soviets never would have invaded... they'd have little reason to.

if they would invade it would be maybe a decade later.

i assume you mean never...

well the population of Israel would be probably 15 million by now. The cold war or nuke threat would have never happened...and technology would be less then it is today.

War=progress in technology
Actually.. the Nazi Germany was pretty technologically advanced. If Germany had kept it's worldpower status, it would have produced much of the technology we get today from Japan or the US. Very few innovations come from Germany nowadays, due to the brain drain that happened and is still happening. I wonder if we'd still have national socialism as government system, considering the radical views of the likes of Hitler (rabid racism). Germany would be the counterbalance to the USA and be a superpower next to China and Russia. We'd have our own nukes (since we were about to discover them anyway, at the time when the Americans had their Manhattan Project (http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-nuclear-weapons)).

I am not sure whether or not Hitler would have pursued world domination. In his books, he never mentioned anything of that sort and Germany's military was not big enough to dominate the whole planet. So I guess, Hitler would have stopped after integrating all of Europe into Germany, forming some sort of involuntary European Union.

the soviets never would have invaded... they'd have little reason to.

if they would invade it would be maybe a decade later.

why did they have masses of planes and troops concentrated in their western reaches then? who were subsequently overrun because they weren't ready for defensive warfare.

The backdraw of never having a Hitler would have been that Anti-semitism would still be commonplace.
You know, if Hitler hadn't come to power, Germany might have become communist, given the fact that the great depression deeply polarized German society.

the soviets never would have invaded... they'd have little reason to.

if they would invade it would be maybe a decade later.
The only reason the russians didn't invade was that the red army was undergoing a restructuring process. Hitler just struck first, and if he hadn't, the soviet attack would have come eventually.

why did they have masses of planes and troops concentrated in their western reaches then? who were subsequently overrun because they weren't ready for defensive warfare.
Bullshit. That's idiotic nazi propaganda and you know it. The Soviet Union was in no shape to invade anyone - they couldn't even conquer Finland, for God's sake.

Bullshit. That's idiotic nazi propaganda and you know it. The Soviet Union was in no shape to invade anyone - they couldn't even conquer Finland, for God's sake.


They kinda sucked in Afghanistan too. :D

The only reason the russians didn't invade was that the red army was undergoing a restructuring process. Hitler just struck first, and if he hadn't, the soviet attack would have come eventually.
If that's true, then why didn't the Soviet Union attack the Western Allies after WW2? American nukes weren't much of a threat in 1945, seeing how they had to be carried to their targets by bombers that could easily be shot down (and the US only had 3 nukes anyway). The Soviet Union could have conquered all of Europe if it wanted to. But it didn't.

They kinda sucked in Afghanistan too. :D
Well yeah, but that was 40 years later.

Bullshit. That's idiotic nazi propaganda and you know it. The Soviet Union was in no shape to invade anyone - they couldn't even conquer Finland, for God's sake.

Hm... even serious historicans share the opinion that the USSR was notprepared for an attack, they were perparing the invasion. The sovietcommunism was an aggressive ideology like the nationalsocialism. Hitlerreich has chosen a stupid name, but in this case I think he's right.

How would Germany be today without Hitler? Probably much more big, mayby on a lower social level and I'm sure with more people living here and less problems with ghettos full of foreigners who speak 5-10 words German.
So it should be clear I would prefer that Hitler never lived - but this debate is history fiction.

Hm... even serious historicans share the opinion that the USSR was notprepared for an attack, they were perparing the invasion. The sovietcommunism was an aggressive ideology like the nationalsocialism. Hitlerreich has chosen a stupid name, but in this case I think he's right.
"Serious historians" such as...?
And again, if the Soviet Union was preparing to invade, how do you explain the fact that they couldn't even conquer Finland? Clearly, they were not prepared to attack anyone.

How would Germany be today without Hitler?
I don't think we can answer that question... WW2 was so important to 20th century history that our world would be EXTREMELY different if WW2 had never happened.

Hitler and the fascists had ever came to power

Umm, they did... do you mean if they had won/not started WWII? I reckon they'd be much better off - Germany in that cruical time was growing far faster than any other nation. The only advantages to them having had a war was the foundation of the ECSC (which became the EU) and the limitation on the military size which, like Japan, freed an awful lot of capital for economic development.

Also, during WWII, the Soviet Union massively geared up its industrial machine and by the 50s had by a large margin the ground and air numer superiority over anyone.

Well yeah, but that was 40 years later.

Even more pathetic.

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Umm, they did... do you mean if they had won/not started WWII? I reckon they'd be much better off
Oh, I'm sure the fascists themselves would be much better off. But the German people would most likely be much worse off.

Remember: If a country is big and powerful, that doesn't necessarily mean its people are happy and well off.

Even more pathetic.
You mean as pathetic as the American performance in Vietnam?

You mean as pathetic as the American performance in Vietnam?

LOL don't get me started. :D

I'm not sure whether this thread's about what Germany would be like if Hitler had never assumed power, or he actually did win WWII. Frankly, there's no way that the Germans could have stopped Hitler from ascending to power, as Germany in the depression was in a state of total political collapse.

But I'm interested in the ways of how Hitler might have won WWII. If he hadn't been so arrogant as to assume complete control of the armed forces and if Germany had invaded two years after 1939 then the likely fact is that Germany's land, air and navy forces would have easily overwhelmed Britain due to the fact the Luftwaffe would have been several times larger. Then there would have been no North African Defeat, as the british colonies would have no will to fight on.

Don't know about Hitler's war with the USSR though; Even if the Germans had captured Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad very quickly the Soviets could just wihthdraw beyond the Urals and continue fighting.

I've always wondered to myself what Germany would be like today if Hitler and the fascists had ever came to power. If anyone has any thoughts about this feel free to share.

There was a movie with basically that premise that you might be intersted in. "Fatherland"

Ein Deutscher']Actually.. the Nazi Germany was pretty technologically advanced. If Germany had kept it's worldpower status, it would have produced much of the technology we get today from Japan or the US. Very few innovations come from Germany nowadays, due to the brain drain that happened and is still happening. I wonder if we'd still have national socialism as government system, considering the radical views of the likes of Hitler (rabid racism). Germany would be the counterbalance to the USA and be a superpower next to China and Russia. We'd have our own nukes (since we were about to discover them anyway, at the time when the Americans had their Manhattan Project (http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-nuclear-weapons)).

I am not sure whether or not Hitler would have pursued world domination. In his books, he never mentioned anything of that sort and Germany's military was not big enough to dominate the whole planet. So I guess, Hitler would have stopped after integrating all of Europe into Germany, forming some sort of involuntary European Union.
The UK would still be a greater power than Germany, and Whittle's family might have collected some royalties.

God have you not played red alert. hmfp phillistine!
Actually thats quite probally what would have happend to some extent, make no mistake no hitler dose not equal no stalin, and he was hardly a nice chap.

Umm, they did... do you mean if they had won/not started WWII? I reckon they'd be much better off - Germany in that cruical time was growing far faster than any other nation. The only advantages to them having had a war was the foundation of the ECSC (which became the EU) and the limitation on the military size which, like Japan, freed an awful lot of capital for economic development.

Also, during WWII, the Soviet Union massively geared up its industrial machine and by the 50s had by a large margin the ground and air numer superiority over anyone. Im saying beofre WW2. when the global depression happened and Germany's economy crashed like ours the citizens were living in poverty so when Hitler came along and promised to make things better he gained widespread support. The question is, what would Germany be like if it propsered before Hitler's came along, would people follow him still if they had happry lives? I thank one of the viewers for saying how they would most likely be a global superpower but how would each citizens lives be different?

If that's true, then why didn't the Soviet Union attack the Western Allies after WW2? American nukes weren't much of a threat in 1945, seeing how they had to be carried to their targets by bombers that could easily be shot down (and the US only had 3 nukes anyway). The Soviet Union could have conquered all of Europe if it wanted to. But it didn't.

Doubtful, the U.S. was a long way toward having the "Bomb". When Roosevelt died, Truman was informed of what was being done with its testing etc. He was amazed that we had anything of this magnitude. When he first met Stalin, Stalin tried to press issues concerning Europe, and in no uncertain terms Truman warned Stalin away from his goals by giving an underlying threat to use our secret weapon against him if Stalin crossed the line.

3 nukes, so what, the effect on the world would still have been the same regardless whether a bomb was dropped on Hiroshima or Moscow.

There's a scenario to pursue: What if the U.S. had to bomb Moscow because of the ambitions of Stalin? What would the world be like now?

i assume you mean never...

well the population of Israel would be probably 15 million by now. The cold war or nuke threat would have never happened...and technology would be less then it is today.

War=progress in technologyThere would be no Israel. And the cold war nuke thread would still have been there, we all know how irrationally the US hate the "commies". And technologies would be more advanced in other fields than warfare.

Umm, they did... do you mean if they had won/not started WWII? I reckon they'd be much better off - Germany in that cruical time was growing far faster than any other nation. The only advantages to them having had a war was the foundation of the ECSC (which became the EU) and the limitation on the military size which, like Japan, freed an awful lot of capital for economic development.

Also, during WWII, the Soviet Union massively geared up its industrial machine and by the 50s had by a large margin the ground and air numer superiority over anyone.

Hitler was intent on absorbing all of the Germanic peoples back into the Third Reich. Because of the treaties of the time certain countries were supposed to be obligated to assist each other if they were invaded. When those countries didn't honor their obligations Hitler got greedy. He went to far when he attacked Russia. Talk about awakening a sleeping Giant.

The Soviet Union's industrial machine would not have gotten off the ground without the help of its temporary ally the U.S. during WWII.

Wasn't this issue "debated" in an earlier thread?

The Soviet Union's industrial machine would not have gotten off the ground without the help of its temporary ally the U.S. during WWII.
I think that's a myth. The Soviets would have needed more time, but in the end they still would have won.

I think that's a myth. The Soviets would have needed more time, but in the end they still would have won.

A myth? Explain yourself please.

After Hitler attacked the USSR they were forced to seek help from the Allies. The US supplied military vehicles, locomotives, etc. so that the USSR could have the necessary supplies to fight Hitler's Germany. If they didn't get these supplies from the Allies they fall to Facism.

I know this because Studabakers and Olivers in South Bend, IN shipped materials destined for the USSR during WWII also locomotive building companies like ALCO built Macado locomotives to USSR specs. and got stuck with trying to sell off the ones that were to sent when the USSR got back on its feet. This is a condensed version of what took place during those years the USSR needed the allies help so bad. Then they showed their true colors once they got their lines established in Eastern Europe.

Damn this topic has gone to hell. would someone care to steer it back on course by answering the question I had?

Wow this discssion really died.

i assume you mean never...

well the population of Israel would be probably 15 million by now. The cold war or nuke threat would have never happened...and technology would be less then it is today.

War=progress in technology


Isreal wouldnt exist for a start. The cold war would have happened earlier and would have been a far more bloody affair, none of the general being well sick of war. The space program in both the USA and USSR would have been non existant until much later since most of the rocketry used to launch the first space craft was essensially stolen from the germany's V2 ICBM which was designed to hit the east coast of the US from Europe but was never used beyond London.

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