NationStates Jolt Archive

Well fellow nation staters, i am a big time forum reader first time forum poster. I have from time to time had several nations but because of work they fell to the way side.

Lately in the forum i have seen Jesussaves our favorit little pro jack chick troll spew forth such hate that it makes many of us christians look bad.

I am a Roman Catholic or as our dear friend jesus saves calls me a Pagan. so i am here to debate him on all the filth he has brought forth. I know many people will disagree with what i am doing. However i am really sick of his Pro Chick lies. Jack chick is a liar and a hate monger. Has anyone else actuly read his filth? i have reason being. Its good to know your enemy. Any support from any faith is apreceated. Even if you dont bealive in anything its about time we put this little troll up on a stage and see if he can defend anything he or his puppet master Jack chick has to say.

The Debate is set for tommorow wish me luck!

I'm Catholic too I can help if you want. I know some good biblical verses that support Catholicism I can give you if you want too.

You know Jesussaves will never respond to this?

I'm going to bring a ghetto blaster that plays the music from the Star Trek episode where Kirk has to fight Spock.

This is fantastic. Jesussaves can make even the most disciplined poster resort to flaming. If you can actually debate with Jesussaves without making yourself look like an ass, I will salute you.

I am afraid, however, that you have already given Jesussaves too much credit and do not stand a chance.

EDIT: Now, Jesussaves vs. Commando would be excellent.

I read Jack Chick for comedy, does that count?

I'm the High Priest of the Church of Chick, shouldn't i be answering this :D

No.

This is fantastic. Jesussaves can make even the most disciplined poster resort to flaming. If you can actually debate with Jesussaves without making yourself look like an ass, I will salute you.



Yeah but to be fair, he always ends up looking an ass at the same time.

Commando3']I'm Catholic too I can help if you want. I know some good biblical verses that support Catholicism I can give you if you want too.

awsome any help will be of great apreciation

Jack Chick is clearly a mental case and so is anyone who takes his drivel seriously.

I read Jack Chick for comedy, does that count?


heck yeah it counts lol

Yeah but to be fair, he always ends up looking an ass at the same time.

But I think that whoever posts as Jesussaves really gets a kick out of the crap he posts. He/She gets as much of a kick out of those posts as the rest of us do. There is a huge difference between a jester and a fool.

I'm the High Priest of the Church of Chick, shouldn't i be answering this :D

No.


lol i am honored at your presance oh high priest of chick but to be warned i am the ANTI CHICK as spoken abotu in chick prophocy

EDIT: Now, Jesussaves vs. Commando would be excellent.

I'd pay.

But I think that whoever posts as Jesussaves really gets a kick out of the crap he posts. He/She gets as much of a kick out of those posts as the rest of us do. There is a huge difference between a jester and a fool.

So are you laughing with him/her, or at him/her? Either way, I am with the second. Either he/she is someone who really believes what they are saying, or they have the time to do something like that that seems really pointless.

This is fantastic. Jesussaves can make even the most disciplined poster resort to flaming. If you can actually debate with Jesussaves without making yourself look like an ass, I will salute you.

I am afraid, however, that you have already given Jesussaves too much credit and do not stand a chance.

EDIT: Now, Jesussaves vs. Commando would be excellent.


i know it is a tragedy, however i try to be very peaceful and respectful of most people however there is just somthing abotu Jesussaves that rubs me the wrong way.. not to mention his faith in Jack Chick

I'm going to bring a ghetto blaster that plays the music from the Star Trek episode where Kirk has to fight Spock.


I was thinking of Carmena Burana however your song pick is much better!

Jack Chick is clearly a mental case and so is anyone who takes his drivel seriously.
I'll have you know i write every word he says in tablets of stone and worship them every day.

And on that note, Jack Chick condemns debate as unGodly, some other items have also been declared unGodly:

Cheese
Italians
Water
Cars
Horses
Foreigners
People that talk funny
Shoes without laces
Laces
Chairs with mroe or less than four legs
Metal Tables
Manx Cats
Children of 5 years old
Mondays
Lettuce
The Letter Q
South
Stella Artois
Johnny Depp
People called Johnny
People who look like they should be called Johnny
That guy that was eating loudly at the cinema last week
Slippers
Oranges
The Colour Orange
Mobile Phones
Purple Berries
Black Cabs
Work Shy People
Potatoes
Root Vegetables Generally
Houses with more than two stories
Lifts
Sharp Edges and hard to chew food.

EDIT: Now, Jesussaves vs. Commando would be excellent.

I could crush his heresy before he opened his mouth. Honestly, Servus Dei is a far better source than Jack Chick.

So are you laughing with him/her, or at him/her? Either way, I am with the second. Either he/she is someone who really believes what they are saying, or they have the time to do something like that that seems really pointless.

I assume that I am laughing with him/her, but either way I am laughing, and all the new posters that get drawn in are just more comedic material.

I believe Mr.Chick even classifies ME as unGodly, which really hurts.

Commando3']I could crush his heresy before he opened his mouth. Honestly, Servus Dei is a far better source than Jack Chick.


If you wish to join me you are more than welcome

Commando3']I could crush his heresy before he opened his mouth. Honestly, Servus Dei is a far better source than Jack Chick.

You are one of those "high intensity" posters that always bring out the best in Jesussaves.

I believe Mr.Chick even classifies ME as unGodly, which really hurts.


Mr chick classifies EVERYTING as unGodly

i have a cat at home and i am sure that is a sin according to MR chick i hope he makes a comic to show me the way.....

An ANTI-CHICK !!!

I shall have to set my Ninja Pirate Butlers on you.

And perhaps my all new and shiny, (very shiny)

ROBOT NINJA PIRATE BUTLERS !

You cant buy them in the shops.

The True Popular Peoples Church of Chick
"Chick hates you and you're gonna burn, and it's our job to tell you about it"

I believe Mr.Chick even classifies ME as unGodly, which really hurts.
No, you're fine.

Wait...

*squint*

OH MY GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING.

You're definitely unGodly.
I've never seen someone so unGodly ever.
I just dont know what to say.


Such colours should never be worn together, when will you heathens learn.

An ANTI-CHICK !!!

I shall have to set my Ninja Pirate Butlers on you.

And perhaps my all new and shiny, (very shiny)

ROBOT NINJA PIRATE BUTLERS !

You cant buy them in the shops.

The True Popular Peoples Church of Chick
"Chick hates you and you're gonna burn, and it's our job to tell you about it"



Nooooo not the Pirate butlers.....

who can save me??

Jack CHick i need your help to tell me how evil i am!

well gentlaman and Ladies i am off for the evening tomorow i will start the Debate if He does not show it proves my point..

Take care everyone and good luck with your nations!

EDIT: Now, Jesussaves vs. Commando would be excellent.
Indeed. :)

I'm going to bring a ghetto blaster that plays the music from the Star Trek episode where Kirk has to fight Spock.

I remember that episode, Spock almost had the Vulcan death grip on him! Phew, thank god for Bones

I am also a long-term reader short-term poster. I wouldn't be typing this today were it not for the comic relief a 'debate' between servus dei and jesussaves produced :D Best of luck to you Kaelestios

I'll have you know i write every word he says in tablets of stone and worship them every day.

And on that note, Jack Chick condemns debate as unGodly, some other items have also been declared unGodly:

Cheese
Italians
Water
Cars
Horses
Foreigners
People that talk funny
Shoes without laces
Laces
Chairs with mroe or less than four legs
Metal Tables
Manx Cats
Children of 5 years old
Mondays
Lettuce
The Letter Q
South
Stella Artois
Johnny Depp
People called Johnny
People who look like they should be called Johnny
That guy that was eating loudly at the cinema last week
Slippers
Oranges
The Colour Orange
Mobile Phones
Purple Berries
Black Cabs
Work Shy People
Potatoes
Root Vegetables Generally
Houses with more than two stories
Lifts
Sharp Edges and hard to chew food.

ROFL!

Well fellow nation staters, i am a big time forum reader first time forum poster. I have from time to time had several nations but because of work they fell to the way side.

Lately in the forum i have seen Jesussaves our favorit little pro jack chick troll spew forth such hate that it makes many of us christians look bad.

I am a Roman Catholic or as our dear friend jesus saves calls me a Pagan. so i am here to debate him on all the filth he has brought forth. I know many people will disagree with what i am doing. However i am really sick of his Pro Chick lies. Jack chick is a liar and a hate monger. Has anyone else actuly read his filth? i have reason being. Its good to know your enemy. Any support from any faith is apreceated. Even if you dont bealive in anything its about time we put this little troll up on a stage and see if he can defend anything he or his puppet master Jack chick has to say.

The Debate is set for tommorow wish me luck!


You should get banned for trolling and spamming along with jesusaves.

You should get banned for trolling and spamming along with jesusaves.


you may be right.

well gentlaman and Ladies i am off for the evening tomorow i will start the Debate if He does not show it proves my point..

Take care everyone and good luck with your nations!

Just thought I'd point out that normally the only time "he" is capitalized is when you are referring to God. So that sounded kind of weird.

I am also a long-term reader short-term poster. I wouldn't be typing this today were it not for the comic relief a 'debate' between servus dei and jesussaves produced :D Best of luck to you Kaelestios

What topic was this in?

Commando3']I'm Catholic too I can help if you want. I know some good biblical verses that support Catholicism I can give you if you want too.

ill help to have lots of :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :p

Well fellow nation staters, i am a big time forum reader first time forum poster. I have from time to time had several nations but because of work they fell to the way side.

Lately in the forum i have seen Jesussaves our favorit little pro jack chick troll spew forth such hate that it makes many of us christians look bad.

I am a Roman Catholic or as our dear friend jesus saves calls me a Pagan. so i am here to debate him on all the filth he has brought forth. I know many people will disagree with what i am doing. However i am really sick of his Pro Chick lies. Jack chick is a liar and a hate monger. Has anyone else actuly read his filth? i have reason being. Its good to know your enemy. Any support from any faith is apreceated. Even if you dont bealive in anything its about time we put this little troll up on a stage and see if he can defend anything he or his puppet master Jack chick has to say.

The Debate is set for tommorow wish me luck!

You do know that Myrth has said that JS is a puppet/joke of a poster, right?

Commando3']What topic was this in?

can't remember :( a thread of servus dei's though.

jesussaves has already made himself look stupid, and has already been beaten at his own debates. he is just that stupid.

Jesussaves calls everyone a pagan, wear it as a badge of honor.

Jesussaves calls everyone a pagan, wear it as a badge of honor.

Lol, I remember this is what he said to me-

"I dont wat too heer your Catlick lies. You all warship Mary and the Siants and your anticrist pope. Catlicks are pagan and thier blasfemy is going two punish them won day."

And I pointed out a few Bible verses proving him wrong and told him to take his heresy somewhere else and he was like-

"Silence pagan idolatir"

So since he didn't want to have a serious debate I just kept calling him heathen and he got really mad. Good times.

Jesussaves, but you all take full damage!

Jesussaves, but you all take full damage!
Jesussaves is hilarious! I don't see how anyone could take him seriously.

Jesussaves is hilarious! I don't see how anyone could take him seriously.


I dont see how anyone could find his tired, stupid joke amusing.

Jesuskills and [Goin']Commando3 are slaves aboard a party ship right now.

Disregard their unChristian attitude as mere exhaustion.

Commando3']Lol, I remember this is what he said to me-

"I dont wat too heer your Catlick lies. You all warship Mary and the Siants and your anticrist pope. Catlicks are pagan and thier blasfemy is going two punish them won day."

And I pointed out a few Bible verses proving him wrong and told him to take his heresy somewhere else and he was like-

"Silence pagan idolatir"

So since he didn't want to have a serious debate I just kept calling him heathen and he got really mad. Good times.
I remember that. That was funny. Someone calling one of the most conservative Christians on NS a "pagan idolater"? Jesussaves really didn't pick insults carefully...

Don't encourage him ("Jesussaves"); does anyone wonder why he has thus far avoided the "So you want to be a Christian" thread? Simply pray for his conversion, there comes a point in time when preaching is no longer effective and prayer is our last resort.

I hate jesussaves. He is almost the opposite of what jesus taught and i am a strong catholic. I shalt help just tell me what forum and the name

I don't like Christians who obsess and thrive off the faith, and belive it word for word. Jesussaves is insane, and however funny it is to see Christians walk around preaching their stuff, It's annoying as hell :headbang: . We all know he'll never show up here, but someone should teach his preachy ass something about living life like a normal person. Rock on people against him!

You'll never convince him otherwise. The best you're going to do is re-affirm your faith through instruction and discussion. Celtlund, Vendeen, Commando, Lazyhippies, and a few others whose names escape me but whose contribution I would like to mention have been having a pretty civil, enlightened conversation re: Christianity in the other thread.

I dont see how anyone could find his tired, stupid joke amusing.
When you have no life almost anything is amusing.

You'll never convince him otherwise. The best you're going to do is re-affirm your faith through instruction and discussion. Celtlund, Vendeen, Commando, Lazyhippies, and a few others whose names escape me but whose contribution I would like to mention have been having a pretty civil, enlightened conversation re: Christianity in the other thread.

He tweaks the bibal. He misread/interpreted revelations and used that to say catholics worship the antichrist. What he doesn't understand is the writer of Revelations was CATHOLIC! He also tweaks other things such as turn the other cheek and uses it to insult people instead of tolerating them. My faith is the one thing that keeps me from being the evilest person known to man and most people consider me very evil already. I have to show my Catholic friend who thinks I am intolerant what jesussaves says. His name is blasphamous itself

by the time the debate is over, jesussaves will send him from this thread frothing at the mouth and babbling incoherent nonsense.

He tweaks the bibal. He misread/interpreted revelations and used that to say catholics worship the antichrist. What he doesn't understand is the writer of Revelations was CATHOLIC! He also tweaks other things such as turn the other cheek and uses it to insult people instead of tolerating them. My faith is the one thing that keeps me from being the evilest person known to man and most people consider me very evil already. I have to show my Catholic friend who thinks I am intolerant what jesussaves says. His name is blasphamous itself

Ummm.... I believe the Catholic church had not yet been established at the time of the writing of Revelations.... you may wish to check your sources.

Jibea, even satan quotes Scripture. The twisted interpretations of a few merely go to show that they cannot reconcile their own desires with Gods and to mask their disbelief they hide behind a wall of ignorance. You can only pray for their conversion.

As an aside, let me congratulate you on carrying on in the practice of the Faith. It is something special that a person would go the extra mile to learn what it is all about; your own worst enemy is ignorance of your own religion and the basis of its teachings. I would invite you once more to check out the "So you want to be a Christian" thread - lots of useful info, lots of helpful people.

Redlief, the Catholic Church as a body has existed for 2000 years, from the time of the Pentecost. After all; who do you think declared Revelations (and the rest of the full canon of Scripture) inspired? No one other than with the authority of Christ could say such; the Catholic Church.

Ummm.... I believe the Catholic church had not yet been established at the time of the writing of Revelations.... you may wish to check your sources.

Matt. 16, 18-19: And I say also unto Thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.

Commando3']Matt. 16, 18-19: And I say also unto Thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.

Peter means stone, Jesus means rock (according to ancient Greek which the new testament was in) so how does this verse mean it is the start of the Catholic church? (Yes I know that Catholics use it to state that it is the start of their church, but is it really?)

Jibea, even satan quotes Scripture. The twisted interpretations of a few merely go to show that they cannot reconcile their own desires with Gods and to mask their disbelief they hide behind a wall of ignorance. You can only pray for their conversion.

As an aside, let me congratulate you on carrying on in the practice of the Faith. It is something special that a person would go the extra mile to learn what it is all about; your own worst enemy is ignorance of your own religion and the basis of its teachings. I would invite you once more to check out the "So you want to be a Christian" thread - lots of useful info, lots of helpful people.

Redlief, the Catholic Church as a body has existed for 2000 years, from the time of the Pentecost. After all; who do you think declared Revelations (and the rest of the full canon of Scripture) inspired? No one other than with the authority of Christ could say such; the Catholic Church.

John i believe wrote it during the time of the ceasers. It is believed that the beast was one of the empeors i think nero or some one else.

Commando3']Matt. 16, 18-19: And I say also unto Thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.
Hmmmm.... I don't see any specific reference to the Catholic church in this...
I've heard several different takes on these verses, though most often I've heard that this refers to the 'Body of Christ', as in the church as a whole, not the Catholic church specifically or exclusively. I really don't think that St. John would have claimed to be a Catholic... nor any of the other apostles... I don't know very much about Catholic traditions and doctrine in particular, but I've been a student of the Bible for most of my life and a follower of Jesus and His teachings for years... Were any/all of the Christians fleeing from Saul's persecution Catholics? Who was their Pope? Did Saul/Paul observe the sacraments, practice confession, take communion, ect. ? I wish I had time to stay and ask more, but my time is nearly up online.

Jibea, even satan quotes Scripture. The twisted interpretations of a few merely go to show that they cannot reconcile their own desires with Gods and to mask their disbelief they hide behind a wall of ignorance. You can only pray for their conversion.

As an aside, let me congratulate you on carrying on in the practice of the Faith. It is something special that a person would go the extra mile to learn what it is all about; your own worst enemy is ignorance of your own religion and the basis of its teachings. I would invite you once more to check out the "So you want to be a Christian" thread - lots of useful info, lots of helpful people.

Redlief, the Catholic Church as a body has existed for 2000 years, from the time of the Pentecost. After all; who do you think declared Revelations (and the rest of the full canon of Scripture) inspired? No one other than with the authority of Christ could say such; the Catholic Church.


Woah.... so the Catholic church has the authority of Christ? Where is that in Scripture? Why hasn't the Catholic church used Christ's authority to calm the devestating storms in the world (MArk 4). How many have been raised from the dead? Or does only the Pope have this authority? How can one be certain that the church is acting in accordance to Christ's will? I'm sorry if my questions are offensive, but I feel they are valid considering the magnitude of your claim.

"Peter means stone, Jesus means rock (according to ancient Greek which the new testament was in) so how does this verse mean it is the start of the Catholic church? (Yes I know that Catholics use it to state that it is the start of their church, but is it really?) "

A couple of things wrong with this interpretation.

First, the Greek Orthodox don't agree; and they speak Greek.

Second, the reason the Greek Orthodox don't agree is that because when the Gospel of Matthew was written, the discrepancy between the Greek words Petras and Petros did not exist: that is to say, there is no discrepancy. In fact, were Christ to call Peter a pebble/small rock, He would've just used the term lithos, which means pebble/small rock. Third, Petros is a translation of Peters Aramaic name given to him by Christ: Kepha.

Fourth, simply reading the verse, to interpret it that way would make little to no sense. Peter, you have received revelation from God; but you're pathetic; but I'm giving you the Keys to the kingdom. It makes even less sense when you cross-reference it with Isaih 22.

Fifth, the background of the verse. Caesarea Philippi was the site of a pagan city, with a gigantic rock atop which sat a temple dedicated to Caesar and the pagan god 'pan'. Setting this into perspective, two things become clear from the verse: Christ is God, not pan or any other false god, and Christ will build His Church upon the rock Peter, as opposed to the false gods church setting atop a big rock of itself.

I'm actually going to post this on the thread; "So you want to be a Christian, eh?" AS WELL AS a response to your questions, Wredlief, since I don't want to clog this thread and get it too off-topic. Check there for more information; although I can't promise to have it up immediately, I will get to it. Lots of pressing matters to attend to. (Don't be afraid to level questions or criticisms, we're all here to learn)

THE FIRST POPEThe Bible teaches the one (and only one) Church which Christ founded had Simon Bar-Jona or Peter for its head. (Our Lord had changed his name from Simon Bar Jona to Peter.)

Matt. 16, 18-19: And I say also unto Thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.
Later Our Lord made Simon-Peter pastor of both the lambs and the sheep, that is His whole flock.
John 21, 15 to 17: So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. 16 He saith to him again the second time. Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him. Feed my sheep. 17. He saith unto him the third time, Simon son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Our Lord promised that Peter would confirm the faith of the other Apostles:
Luke 22-32: But I have prayed for thee (Peter) that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
COMMENT: Hence only the Church having Peter and his lawful successors for its head can logically claim to be the Church of Christ.

As we can see here, Jesus Christ founded his Church upon St. Peter the Rock, the first Pope. He wants people to all be members of his church, not go off starting our own denominations that suit our personal desires. Jesus also never commanded his disciples to write. He never said anything about the Bible being perfect. However he did create a *single* church for his followers. There can be many responses to a question, but only a single answer.

Let the debate begin

Jesusssaves has yet to answer my invitation

but basicly i want him to defend his aproch on how Catholics are pagens how Jews And Muslims will be going to hell and how people of homo sexuality are going to hell as well.

I have personaly never meet God face to face so i do not know the answers to these quesitons i only have my views.

Jesussaves seems to have a fetish for Jack chick so lets see if his mentor can get him out of this. If he does not respound i will automaticly assume that he ether A) is only a jester making his absurd statements to get a rise out of us, or B) can not defend himself so he will not show.

ALot of people see this as flamming and rightfuly so i am just so angery at his intolerance and hatred that i thought it was time to call him on it.

No i am not a troll just a feed up Nation Stater


please ignore my bad grammer and spelling as English is not my first langege

Let the debate begin

Jesusssaves has yet to answer my invitation

but basicly i want him to defend his aproch on how Catholics are pagens how Jews And Muslims will be going to hell and how people of homo sexuality are going to hell as well.

I have personaly never meet God face to face so i do not know the answers to these quesitons i only have my views.

Jesussaves seems to have a fetish for Jack chick so lets see if his mentor can get him out of this. If he does not respound i will automaticly assume that he ether A) is only a jester making his absurd statements to get a rise out of us, or B) can not defend himself so he will not show.

ALot of people see this as flamming and rightfuly so i am just so angery at his intolerance and hatred that i thought it was time to call him on it.

No i am not a troll just a feed up Nation Stater


please ignore my bad grammer and spelling as English is not my first langege
jessusaves, another mission accomplished.

but basicly i want him to defend his aproch on how Catholics are pagens how Jews And Muslims will be going to hell and how people of homo sexuality are going to hell as well.

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. "

John 10:28 and 10:29

Everyone goes to Heaven, it's in the bible

Don't encourage him ("Jesussaves"); does anyone wonder why he has thus far avoided the "So you want to be a Christian" thread?
He has avoided posting in that thread with the "Jesussaves" account because we Moderators caught him elsewhere and warned him that any further trolling would result in Mod action against his main nation.

Jesussaves is a confirmed a troll, a puppet of another NationStates player. He does not actually hold the opinions that he espouses. He will not respond to this debate or Moderator action will be taken against him for further trolling.

iLock.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator