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Cybernetic Love

Petrakai Proskulio
07-03-2005, 06:49
Hey, let's go for a prescient discussion: what does everyone think about artificial intelligence? In a hundred years or less, a machine intelligence could be just as capable (if not more so) than a human one. Should sentient machines get the same rights as humans? Or are they just complicated calculators?
Neo-Anarchists
07-03-2005, 06:51
Should sentient machines get the same rights as humans?
If they are sentient, I dont see why they shouldn't get basic rights.
Or are they just complicated calculators?
if they're truly sentient, I would say not.
Findecano Calaelen
07-03-2005, 06:57
I dont like the idea of making a superior species, I im alittle off put by true AI.
The Doors Corporation
07-03-2005, 07:17
not only would the Three Laws of RObotics need to be drilled into A.I. (ALL A.I.) but many other laws and safe guards would need to keep Mankind's child from rebelling.
Rogue Angelica
07-03-2005, 07:20
Too dangerous. If we get that close to A.I., I'll be sure to stock up on weaponry.
:mp5:
The Doors Corporation
07-03-2005, 07:23
Unless we make our robotic friends as frail as us (doubtful), you can stock up as much as you want, it won't do anything
Neo-Anarchists
07-03-2005, 07:24
What I think the real question is, is why in the nine hElls this topic was entitled "Cybernetic Love"?

(I swear, I only clicked on it to see if it were something illegal that needs reporting! Scout's honor!!!)
Findecano Calaelen
07-03-2005, 07:25
not only would the Three Laws of RObotics need to be drilled into A.I. (ALL A.I.) but many other laws and safe guards would need to keep Mankind's child from rebelling.
I think I, Robot dealt with the problems within the three laws.

Can Humanity be trusted with its own fate?
The Doors Corporation
07-03-2005, 07:26
yeah, the human race will be wiped out because the most beautiful human woman broke up with the king of all A.I.s
Oksana
07-03-2005, 07:27
There is NO point to cybersex. Personally if I were that horny, I'd prefer masturbation over a computer. :rolleyes:
Neo-Anarchists
07-03-2005, 07:29
There is NO point to cybersex. Personally if I were that horny, I'd prefer masturbation over a computer. :rolleyes:
Oh good, I'm not the only one that fell for the title.
Oop, I mean, you seem to have taken responded to the topic based on the title alone. How careless of you!
:D
The Doors Corporation
07-03-2005, 07:32
I think I, Robot dealt with the problems within the three laws.

Can Humanity be trusted with its own fate?

Exactly, that is why we need more than just the Three Laws, otherwise just get ready to be completely organized and controlled by friendly but serious robots
Findecano Calaelen
07-03-2005, 07:33
Oh good, I'm not the only one that fell for the title.
Oop, I mean, you seem to have taken responded to the topic based on the title alone. How careless of you!
:D
get out of the gutter you two :D
Greedy Pig
07-03-2005, 07:34
Cybernetic Love?

3 Thumbs up to teledildonics! :D
Lynold Richter
07-03-2005, 07:34
it would be doubtful a robot would be as capable as people, and im sure protection devices which shutdown robots if they go heywire would be developed
The Arch Wobbly
07-03-2005, 07:34
If we made sentient AI and then refused to give them the same rights, I'd say that was a great way to encourage a revolt against us.

EDIT: OH! And there's also the issue of hardwiring the three laws into them, or indeed any restrictions - does this not infringe on their rights as sentient beings?
Salvondia
07-03-2005, 07:35
I think I, Robot dealt with the problems within the three laws.

Can Humanity be trusted with its own fate?

I, Robot the book dealt with the problems within the three laws. I, Robot the movie sucked balls and did a haphazard and shitty job of dealing with the problems contained within the three laws. The Foundation Series, + its more recent additions, did a good job with the Three Laws. The Robot Series did a good job of it.

In conclusion, the I, Robot you are likely thinking of did a horrible job of it. The Three Laws are a rather good system that would need only minor tweaking.
Oksana
07-03-2005, 07:36
Still cybersex is stupid, people!
Findecano Calaelen
07-03-2005, 07:38
I, Robot the book dealt with the problems within the three laws. I, Robot the movie sucked balls and did a haphazard and shitty job of dealing with the problems contained within the three laws. The Foundation Series, + its more recent additions, did a good job with the Three Laws. The Robot Series did a good job of it.

In conclusion, the I, Robot you are likely thinking of did a horrible job of it. The Three Laws are a rather good system that would need only minor tweaking.

I was actually refering to the book, im not really a Will Smith fan, well except fresh prince :D
Greedy Pig
07-03-2005, 07:40
Still cybersex is stupid, people!

Just because you haven't had one, doesn't mean you can criticize it!! Think about the possibilities! An robot orgy without STD consequences!! :D
Unidox
07-03-2005, 07:42
Kinda off topic..
"Today's liberals are tomorrow's conservatives. When my generation is the conservatives, we'll be fine letting gays get married and creationism vs. evolution in schools will be a laughable issue.

But by god we'll be sticking it to the damn cyborgs!" -RedQueen

just replace the word cyborg with robot.
The Doors Corporation
07-03-2005, 07:43
If we made sentient AI and then refused to give them the same rights, I'd say that was a great way to encourage a revolt against us.

EDIT: OH! And there's also the issue of hardwiring the three laws into them, or indeed any restrictions - does this not infringe on their rights as sentient beings?

(1)We made them, they have no rights
(2)Look at our corporations today, it is doubtful the Robotic Corp. will make trully reliable Laws and Fail safes to protect against robotic revolt
(3)They are freaking robots, they could do anything if we build them right

-therefore-
(1)We make sure they never have rights, or if they do they are so...strict the robots finally give up.
(2)We make sure Robots never become stronger or better than us, then, if they revolt, it will be just like fighting a human. Even better because you won't feel bad about killing them



THEN there is the total cosmic humanist side that says
(1)Build the robots, make an intellectual bridge with them and make eternal peace. Go onto the ages as humankind and its child. The ages are filled with unity, prosperity, cybernetic love, and many other wonderful things.
I say "blah" to that, it would never happen.
Findecano Calaelen
07-03-2005, 07:43
Just because you haven't had one, doesn't mean you can criticize it!! Think about the possibilities! An robot orgy without STD consequences!! :D
That just made me think of a Microsoft version, with a robot getting the blue screen of death and having to reboot, I would imagine would be kind of a mood killer
Oksana
07-03-2005, 07:44
Originally posted by Greedy Pig

Just because you haven't had one, doesn't mean you can criticize it!! Think about the possibilities! An robot orgy without STD consequences!!

I don't need to. I'm going to stick with real sex, thank you.
Incenjucarania
07-03-2005, 07:55
My theory is there should be a law passed that granting sentience causes the granting of rights, especially if you give the poor thing a way to feel distress, which makes you a cruel bastard.

The religious notion of "Creators have no reason to be kind" is utter filth.
The Arch Wobbly
07-03-2005, 07:55
(1)We made them, they have no rights


-therefore-
(1)We make sure they never have rights, or if they do they are so...strict the robots finally give up.
(2)We make sure Robots never become stronger or better than us, then, if they revolt, it will be just like fighting a human. Even better because you won't feel bad about killing them


I'm not sure I see the point in creating machines that are weaker than a human is? Kind of defeats the whole purpose of machines.

Either way, they still deserve equal rights if they're sentient. Enforcing restrictions I'm not so sure about, but if we did I think it'd have to be explained why we thought it essential to enforce such restrictions on them.

I think you have some good ideas on how to cause a revolt, though.
Unidox
07-03-2005, 07:59
(1)We made them, they have no rights
(2)Look at our corporations today, it is doubtful the Robotic Corp. will make trully reliable Laws and Fail safes to protect against robotic revolt
(3)They are freaking robots, they could do anything if we build them right

-therefore-
(1)We make sure they never have rights, or if they do they are so...strict the robots finally give up.
(2)We make sure Robots never become stronger or better than us, then, if they revolt, it will be just like fighting a human. Even better because you won't feel bad about killing them



THEN there is the total cosmic humanist side that says
(1)Build the robots, make an intellectual bridge with them and make eternal peace. Go onto the ages as humankind and its child. The ages are filled with unity, prosperity, cybernetic love, and many other wonderful things.
I say "blah" to that, it would never happen.

You should watch the Animatrix, or stop watching the Animatrix.

Who knew this would turn in to such a heated debate?
Perhaps you should ask what Sentient AI could show us what it means to be Sentient/ Human? Would not AI be an extention of our image?
What would they think of us? Our clutures? Sexuality? Etc...
Greedy Pig
07-03-2005, 08:02
I don't need to. I'm going to stick with real sex, thank you.

But what if their perfectly created like humans? They breath, they touch, they even smell like a human. But their programmed to move so that you have the most perfect mind blowing sex in your life!

I somehow think this would lead to humans being very isolated and even more devoided of human contact though. :p

EDIT: I think i just contradicted myself. But hey.. the sex is good.
Unidox
07-03-2005, 08:09
Thats another thing would it be legal to make these sexbots look like celebraties, or your high school crush? (I admit Futurama was my inspiration.)
Oksana
07-03-2005, 08:11
This is just wrong. You people need to get laid.
Unidox
07-03-2005, 08:21
Hey I'm just encouraging an original thread.
Oksana
07-03-2005, 08:24
Originally posted by Unidox
Hey I'm just encouraging an original thread.

I don't find anything wrong with your thread. I do find something wrong with Greedy Pig's belief that people should prefer robots over real people.
Greedy Pig
07-03-2005, 08:24
Thats another thing would it be legal to make these sexbots look like celebraties, or your high school crush? (I admit Futurama was my inspiration.)

Oh yeah.. Good idea. Imagine if you got a Micheal Jackson robot. That would be sooooo wrong.


This is just wrong. You people need to get laid.


Hahah! :D
Kevady
07-03-2005, 08:27
This is just wrong. You people need to get laid.

I'm trying :rolleyes:
Oksana
07-03-2005, 08:31
Well, that's good. Some advice though, don't say you'd screw a robot in the presence of a girl you want to screw.
Greedy Pig
07-03-2005, 08:33
I don't find anything wrong with your thread. I do find something wrong with Greedy Pig's belief that people should prefer robots over real people.

Nah.. Just trying to be devil's advocate or getting the mind juices flowing about how these things would work out.

Would be very marketable! *Money signs in eyes*

Think of the possibilities!! Imagine you put in your 'manly' robot into the USB port, and connect it over the internet to your boyfriend who's on the other way around the world, over there for some business or something. And he slots in his 'girly' robot into the pc. Then the robot which has camera's enact you on the other side and you both can have sex over the internet for real this time round.

Or for those lonely moments..... *sigh*

People talk about teledildonics, about wearing some sort of suit and go into a Virtual Reality, I think that would still be very difficult, compared to a robot. But anyhoo.. robotics is still at it's infancy stages.
Oksana
07-03-2005, 08:34
Umm... that would be a great idea! if I were a capitalist. :(
Kevady
07-03-2005, 08:34
Well, that's good. Some advice though, don't say you'd screw a robot in the presence of a girl you want to screw.
well I haven't said that here either, I was just reading this thread and felt spoken to :p
Oksana
07-03-2005, 08:36
That's good but remember my advice.
Kevady
07-03-2005, 08:39
That's good but remember my advice.
heh I will, not like I was ever gonna do that anyway :P
Der Lieben
07-03-2005, 08:48
After beginningmy studies in EE, I believe that AI is tuly not possible. As far as memory goes, our logic had become so complex that it can detect a 90 electron charge. Once we get down to 1 electron that's it, people, no going further. Also, due to the max. velocity of electriciy, processors over 20ghz are not possible.
Wisjersey
07-03-2005, 09:00
I don't know if real AI will ever be possible, probably any solution would be very awkward. My opinion is that at best we will end up someday with something that behaves as if it was intelligent, but that wouldn't be quite the same thing.

Therefore, i'd say that the squishy brains of bionts will remain comptetitive for quite a while. :)
Petrakai Proskulio
07-03-2005, 09:03
After beginningmy studies in EE, I believe that AI is tuly not possible. As far as memory goes, our logic had become so complex that it can detect a 90 electron charge. Once we get down to 1 electron that's it, people, no going further. Also, due to the max. velocity of electriciy, processors over 20ghz are not possible.

Sure, if you're using electronics. That's why I've heard of the ultimate computer being one built according to photonics... that is, a box of light, one used to store information. Sounds pretty science-fiction, but I recall reading about it in The Economist...

Back on topic, it's useful to remember that if an AI developes as software, it need not be bound to a machine body. As long as there's a server somewhere that'll "host" it, an AI could move itself as easily as any other piece of digital information.
Der Lieben
07-03-2005, 09:05
Sure, if you're using electronics. That's why I've heard of the ultimate computer being one built according to photonics... that is, a box of light, one used to store information. Sounds pretty science-fiction, but I recall reading about it in The Economist...

Back on topic, it's useful to remember that if an AI developes as software, it need not be bound to a machine body. As long as there's a server somewhere that'll "host" it, an AI could move itself as easily as any other piece of digital information.

No way to store light. Still has to be stored electromagnetically. Plus, optics, still have to be dictated to by electonics.
Wisjersey
07-03-2005, 09:06
That's why I've heard of the ultimate computer being one built according to photonics... that is, a box of light, one used to store information. Sounds pretty science-fiction, but I recall reading about it in The Economist...

You probably mean "Optronics". I think that's the official term for it. And yeah, i agree that there will be quite some potential.
Wisjersey
07-03-2005, 09:08
No way to store light. Still has to be stored electromagnetically. Plus, optics, still have to be dictated to by electonics.

I reckon reading something a while ago saying it was actually possible to do exactly that. Beats me how that would work, but it appears that it actually does work. :cool: