NationStates Jolt Archive

This has definitely been the worst week I've ever seen here on NS.
Everyone is quibbling. Nobody is debating. And too many people are dropping out of General altogether.

So what's the problem(s)?

Let's try to get to the bottom of this now, nip some probs in the bud, and move on towards more happy posting.

Let's also avoid words like left, right, gay, straight, Christian, Atheist, Rep. Dem., liberal, conservative, etc. Personal attacks of any kind not framed in a constructive manner will get a swift report to the mods!
I'm not a tattletale, but this is an emergency situation.

I'm just afraid General will be a wasteland of rabid n00bs and whackjobs soon, if everyone with a touch of character opts out.

Any suggestions?

This has been coming for a looong time...

My fears as well. And if that appears to be unavoidable, this ol' boy's going to be gone.

It don't see why people feel the need to 'leave.' Christ, it's an online forum, not an actual place. How hard is it to check it out every now and then?

A lack of interesting threads, and when there finally is one almost no one reads it all the way through and they just post some stuff replying to the first post and ignoring the fact that everything they said has already been posted.

I agree. I've barely posted in the last week or so. Nothing's really worth the trouble.

I think mainly because people are bored. We need new issues and less laws from the UN. EDIT: I think boredom in nationstates in general in causing people to drop out of it all together, or maybe it's just me



~YAHAHOOOOOIE 50 POSTS, ok, sorry, lol...~

My fears as well. And if that appears to be unavoidable, this ol' boy's going to be gone.
Don't even think about it, Andy!

Our kind is endangered enough already as it is here on NS.

:mad:

All I know is that whenever anyone tries to discuss something, half a dozen bozos apear and start throwing insults around. These come from all points in the political/religious/economic spectrum. No position is any worse or better than any other for this.

I propose that those who wish to discuss, in a civilised manner, the issues of the day should simply disregard the bozos. It is a policy that I adopted as of last night, as I do not wish to be driven away by those few that have nothing to contribute. I had been being sarcastic, but this was counter productive, so I changed strategy.

Yeah! Let us limit free speech. I don't want anyone offended. I don't want to hear the following words: red, blue, chicken, steak, singing, rain, beer, yellow, horse, job, taxes, ideas, freedom, culture, rainbow, jazz, and any personal pronoun.

Maybe, we can just eliminate all words. That way nobody can be offended ever. :headbang:


sheesh,

Kimo

Sometimes it's hard to have a decent conversation with people that are thirteen years old (or act like it).

Personally I don't post that often anyways (in two years I have posted 253 times, or around .36 posts per day).

But there have been times where I've said "screw it" and left a thread because it was going nowhere.

I agree with Spaam. This has been a long time coming.

Sorry, I've just got to say it. No offense to anyone, but "ENOUGH WITH THE FRIGGIN' PARADISE CLUBS, ALREADY!" Its getting uber old. :headbang:

Sorry, I've just got to say it. No offense to anyone, but "ENOUGH WITH THE FRIGGIN' PARADISE CLUBS, ALREADY!" Its getting uber old. :headbang:

Amen!

Yeah! Let us limit free speech. I don't want anyone offended. I don't want to hear the following words: red, blue, chicken, steak, singing, rain, beer, yellow, horse, job, taxes, ideas, freedom, culture, rainbow, jazz, and any personal pronoun.

Maybe, we can just eliminate all words. That way nobody can be offended ever. :headbang:


sheesh,

Kimo
I believe you misunderstood completely. Eichen meant not to focus on things like political stance or sexual orientation in this thread so that we might be able to actually discuss something instead of throwing insults around.

Yeah! Let us limit free speech. I don't want anyone offended. I don't want to hear the following words: red, blue, chicken, steak, singing, rain, beer, yellow, horse, job, taxes, ideas, freedom, culture, rainbow, jazz, and any personal pronoun.

Maybe, we can just eliminate all words. That way nobody can be offended ever. :headbang:


sheesh,

Kimo
As you know, I do so hate free speech.

I think that many peple are quitting just 'cause a few did, it and people love to jump on the bandwagon, so to speak. Hence the, I'm a **** thread craze and the So you wanna be a ***** series.

As you know, I do so hate free speech.
You're such a fascist nazi type after all :D

Sorry, I've just got to say it. No offense to anyone, but "ENOUGH WITH THE FRIGGIN' PARADISE CLUBS, ALREADY!" Its getting uber old. :headbang:
when did those start, anyway?

Ok.. am i consisered a n00b, or not? Just curious...

Amen!

I don't know why the mods have let this go on for so long, anyway.

I've gotten so tired of the same regurgitated topics I can remember debating two years ago. There comes a point where all that can be said has been said. Despite my post count, I've more or less checked out of the vast majority of what goes on in this forum. I really only post in unique topics; stuff that you don't see around too often. The general religious/political thread is just repeated over and over and over again. I've found that to be my main source of disdain for the forum.

when did those start, anyway?
a long time ago...who was behind their creation again...I don't totally remember.

Ok.. am i consisered a n00b, or not? Just curious...
n00b city :p

<------- proud whackjob.

I've gotten so tired of the same regurgitated topics I can remember debating two years ago. There comes a point where all that can be said has been said. Despite my post count, I've more or less checked out of the vast majority of what goes on in this forum. I really only post in unique topics; stuff that you don't see around too often. The general religious/political thread is just repeated over and over and over again. I've found that to be my main source of disdain for the forum.

I especially hate the ones that are titled with a two or three word question.

I've gotten so tired of the same regurgitated topics I can remember debating two years ago. There comes a point where all that can be said has been said. Despite my post count, I've more or less checked out of the vast majority of what goes on in this forum. I really only post in unique topics; stuff that you don't see around too often. The general religious/political thread is just repeated over and over and over again. I've found that to be my main source of disdain for the forum.
I hear ya there, even though I'm not even halfway to your post count. But I talk with friends and clients all the time about these issues, and recurring themes always emerge.

Do you think that the subjects have gotten more boring, or the people?

agreed I was thinking of not coming back this week, but now I cant because it seems to have become trendy

I hear ya there, even though I'm not even halfway to your post count. But I talk with friends and clients all the time about these issues, and recurring themes always emerge.

Do you think that the subjects have gotten more boring, or the people?
People just love to hear, or in this case, see themselves talk. It reaffirms their worth somehow.

agreed I was thinking of not coming back this week, but now I cant because it seems to have become trendy

People are sheep and NS is no exception.

Ok, My bad if I misunderstood. But, thats real life. Not matter what you do or say, someone will be offended. Cleansing speech in any forum is just not the way to do it.

All forums experience ebbs and flows. Right now just might be a low time for NS. Soon fresh blood will come in and this forum will surge again. It is up to you if you want to stick it out.

Also, it is always up the individual to allow any words to offend him or her.



Kimo

People just love to hear, or in this case, see themselves talk. It reaffirms their worth somehow.

Makes me feel better. It's like having my name in print.

Ahhhh ... the majesty that is me. Feel it.

People are sheep and NS is no exception.
I guess im a shephard

I hear ya there, even though I'm not even halfway to your post count. But I talk with friends and clients all the time about these issues, and recurring themes always emerge.

Do you think that the subjects have gotten more boring, or the people?

Well I don't blame the people who haven't been around as long as me talking about stuff I got bored of seeing before they even came here. To them, I'm sure it's still rather new. The subjects haven't gotten better or worse, and that's the problem. They're still the same. We go around in circles. That's why I've become so disillusioned.

The type of topic I cringe to see every time are those "Question for (insert group)" threads. I mean, they're just asking for a flame debate.

I guess im a shephard
Good for you. I should say that there are realy two kinds of people. The shephards are just in the minority.

Good for you. I should say that there are realy two kinds of people. The shephards are just in the minority.

Feh ... some of us are coyotes waiting for the shephard to turn his back.

I should also add, I get quite irritated when half of the first page of General is flooded with whatever the latest trend thread is. Uncreative people should stop making copycat threads. It's not funny; it's obnoxious.

And some of us are mean-spirited madmen hoping to take the sheperds entire flock.

People just love to hear, or in this case, see themselves talk. It reaffirms their worth somehow.
Believe it or not: Some members, like myself and others I've met on NS, actually like to hear what people have to say.

I don't think posting on NS necessarily constitutes intellectual masturbation.

Ok, My bad if I misunderstood. But, thats real life. Not matter what you do or say, someone will be offended. Cleansing speech in any forum is just not the way to do it.

All forums experience ebbs and flows. Right now just might be a low time for NS. Soon fresh blood will come in and this forum will surge again. It is up to you if you want to stick it out.

Also, it is always up the individual to allow any words to offend him or her.



Kimo
If only more people realized all that, especially the last part...
Well I don't blame the people who haven't been around as long as me talking about stuff I got bored of seeing before they even came here. To them, I'm sure it's still rather new. The subjects haven't gotten better or worse, and that's the problem. They're still the same. We go around in circles. That's why I've become so disillusioned.
Yep, you just get to the point where you've said all you have to say and you don't want to say it anymore because you already know how they're going to respond and you just don't want to read it.

Though I'm still quite surprised no one cared to read and reply to my thread on a theoretical world government I've been working on...

Nationstates has become democratic and postmodern.

It has degenerated into "all opinions have equal weight, there is no such thing as correct or incorrect because there are a hundred equally valid angles on every conceivable thing."

The united states is like this, much of the rest of the world is following.

It has become the same sort of noise factory as the american media.

Feh ... some of us are coyotes waiting for the shephard to turn his back.
I know this is probably tongue in cheek, but coyotes are really just sheep of another kind. They follow the coyote shephard.

Believe it or not: Some members, like myself and others I've met on NS, actually like to hear what people have to say.

I don't think posting on NS necessarily constitutes intellectual masturbation.

Glad to hear it.

@ the last part: lol :rolleyes:

Now, if you read the first page, it seems the waaah, everyone is leaving threads are becoming the newest fad. :headbang: :headbang: :gundge:

I know this is probably tongue in cheek, but coyotes are really just sheep of another kind. They follow the coyote shephard.

So now we're up to four types? Amazing.

Now, if you read the first page, it seems the waaah, everyone is leaving threads are becoming the newest fad. :headbang: :headbang: :gundge:

Sigh. Maybe I should make an "I"m NOT leaving" thread. Think the mods would lock it?

For everyone who has been here for a while, if you care about general take it upon yourselves to create intersting debate. Or what you are afraid of might actually become true.

For everyone who has been here for a while, if you care about general take it upon yourselves to create intersting debate. Or what you are afraid of might actually become true.
I think it might be coming true despite our efforts...

The old guard is fallen, and their successors (folks like me) aren't nearly up to the task...

Sigh. Maybe I should make an "I"m NOT leaving" thread. Think the mods would lock it?
Rofl, I actually considered thatas soon as I saw the Zepp/Steph thread.

I think it might be coming true despite our efforts...

The old guard is fallen, and their successors (folks like me) aren't nearly up to the task...

It's not even that. This kind of exodus has happened here in the past, and the forum has managed to get along just fine anyway. Remember when we moved to Jolt. Everyone was leaving because the forums "weren't the same" and everyone was saying that General would be no more. Yet here it is, 6-8 months later, and General is just fine. All these doomsday scenarios about General are just ludicrous. The forum will be fine.

I think it might be coming true despite our efforts...

The old guard is fallen, and their successors (folks like me) aren't nearly up to the task...

Yes you are, or should I say yes we are.
How did they get to be up to the task, by practice, by discussing. We just have to do the same. (But not necessarily on the same exact points, OK)

On request of Eichen.... repost.

Everyone seems to be taking off. Mostly do the lack of anything worth doing on here. I still have fun, but that's because I like doing the pointless borderline spam threads. Maybe this is a sign to all of us that it is time to be more rational in our debates, with more facts and articulate opinions, and less personal attacks, fewer trolls, and less flaming. I've quit posting on the political threads because that is all they are these days. Maybe, just maybe, we can all get along despite our differing views, and once again have intelligent debates. Maybe we would lose less of our e-friends would move on. Maybe more of us spammers would quite spamming and debate.




and this



On leaving.... well, some stay gone, others don't. But I for one feel kind of attatched to some of these people, even though I've never met them. It is sad when I don't get to interact with some of them anymore. This place is my release from life. (I have one, suprisingly enough) And you guys are great.

But....but.....but.....I just got here....this is my very first post.....I haven't even had a chance to flame anybody, never mind go out of my way to offend them....c'mon, gimme a chance here! I mean, I'm obviously against <insert flavour of the week> and so you all must fall into that particular group! I'm against your religion, your race, your orientation, and whatever you had for breakfast this morning. So you can't leave yet!!

But....but.....but.....I just got here....this is my very first post.....I haven't even had a chance to flame anybody, never mind go out of my way to offend them....c'mon, gimme a chance here! I mean, I'm obviously against <insert flavour of the week> and so you all must fall into that particular group! I'm against your religion, your race, your orientation, and whatever you had for breakfast this morning. So you can't leave yet!!
:gundge: :p

But....but.....but.....I just got here....this is my very first post.....I haven't even had a chance to flame anybody, never mind go out of my way to offend them....c'mon, gimme a chance here! I mean, I'm obviously against <insert flavour of the week> and so you all must fall into that particular group! I'm against your religion, your race, your orientation, and whatever you had for breakfast this morning. So you can't leave yet!!


MY BREAKFAST CEREAL OWNS YOUR BREAKFAST CEREAL!!!

And what, you may ask, is my breakfast cereal? Wheaties I say. Wheaties, the breakfast of champions. For though my post count may not show it, I am a champion at heart!

On a somewhat fruitier note, does anyone think we're getting ready for another pole reversal? The world's becoming rather polarized after all, don't you think? *cues laugh track*

Now, who around here wants a nice big :fluffle: ?

So now we're up to four types? Amazing.
Really still just two.

I'm staying.

Too bad i don't post anyway...lol

and whackjobs soon, if everyone with a touch of character opts out.

Any suggestions?
oh no......*runs and hides in dark lair*

but really, i think sometimes people that post on here are really antisocial, and become inwardly agitated when confronted with this issue. most people would be far happier knowing people like this in RL, to debate with , and joke with all day....but they dont. so it becomes a tug of war within ones mind, whether to go out and attempt to create the online haven in daily life, or to remain frustrated with the fact that this is basically typed friendship that certain people depend far too much on....

i hope that made sense. i am feeling dense right now.

i think its rather simple.. since ive started ive noticed a distinct bias toward more european line of thought and liberalism... far fewer conservatives here.. and so debate is much less in numbers.. in short you people all think alike.. you need more people like me to give proper argument to ^-^ ... unfortunately... the conservatives who ARE acutally here .. (not counting me of course ^-^) are almost always no - nothing fanatics who just spout lines from the bible as end all evidence claimin everyone else is going to hell (even though its a sin to judge ::tisk tisk::)

Nationstates has become democratic and postmodern.

It has degenerated into "all opinions have equal weight, there is no such thing as correct or incorrect because there are a hundred equally valid angles on every conceivable thing."

The united states is like this, much of the rest of the world is following.

It has become the same sort of noise factory as the american media.
It actually feels more like. "My opininion is correct, and no one elses. Bitch."

Originally posted by Branin
It actually feels more like. "My opininion is correct, and no one elses. Bitch."

Branin's right. Spam may be shallow, but I think it's preferable to arguing about the same issues with the same arguments.

I debate every once in a while, but I basically come here for fun. And I'm not going anywhere fast.

That's good! I don't want you to leave. Yes, people should have a balance of fun and debate on this forum.

I debate every once in a while, but I basically come here for fun. And I'm not going anywhere fast.

You're going up the post count list pretty fast.

You're going up the post count list pretty fast.I'll get your ass within the week :p

Now, what I tend to do is have fun with the debate topics. Usually by throwing a complete monkey wrench into everything by posting an unrelated non-sequitur or joke instead of actually doing any debating.
Yeah that too, but that's not officially debating, me thinks

EDIT: oh yes there is

I'll get your ass within the week :p

I was figuring it out. If we both continue to post at our current rates, you'll pass me by the 18th.

I was figuring it out. If we both continue to post at our current rates, you'll pass me by the 18th.
Hooray St Patty's day.

I was figuring it out. If we both continue to post at our current rates, you'll pass me by the 18th.
Not if he drops dead of a heart-attack though. See that's the prolem with math, it doesn't provide for heart attacks.

:D

Hooray St Patty's day.
That's the 18th? :eek:

Is it Mother's Day in any other countries besides England?

Not if he drops dead of a heart-attack though. See that's the prolem with math, it doesn't provide for heart attacks.

:D

Hmm, true. Didn't consider that.

Is it Mother's Day in any other countries besides England?

No, thank god...speaking of heart attacks...Tink's thread this morning....

No, thank god...speaking of heart attacks...Tink's thread this morning....
Me too. I thought I had completely forgotten :(

That's the 18th? :eek:
Well not technically, but thats the friday i get to celebrate it.

Ironically Benno is here in the US on Mum's day. Haha!

Me too. I thought I had completely forgotten :(

Thankfully, however, it reminded me that my mom's birthday is coming up quite shortly. So it was a blessing in disguise.

Well not technically, but thats the friday i get to celebrate it.
Googled it. It's the 17th.

Phew. I almost had to choose between St. Paddy's or my mom's birthday