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So, who's your favorite punk rock band? I don't know many, but I personally am a big fan of the Clash.

Dropkick Murphys and Dead Kennedys. Hafta vote for Murphys, since I don't see the Kennedys.

Sex Pistols by a fucking mile, with the Ramones close behind.

Sex Pistols by a fucking mile, with the Ramones close behind.

How could they have won by a mile if the sex pistols were close behind? Unless it was one of those round-the-world plane races where a mile isn't all that far..

Well, you see, they're close behind because they play so fast. Ever heard the Ramones live?

If you have, you know what I mean.

There's a lot of good sex pistols songs, but I find the Dropkick Murphys' sense of humor about being losers/rejects a little refreshing.

Anti Flag.

I'm sort of an emo kid, but I still listen to them. They also have some decent left wing views, so that's all cool.

And they're not commercial like the Sex Pistols.
They also don't pretend to be anarchists.

Flogging Molly. Great Irish traditions, mixed with newer punk songs, some about serious issues, some about having fun with the mates, some historical. However, everyone on the poll is great. I just think Flogging Molly is the best.

Anti Flag.

I'm sort of an emo kid, but I still listen to them. They also have some decent left wing views, so that's all cool.

And they're not commercial like the Sex Pistols.
They also don't pretend to be anarchists.


Oh my fucking god... You actually belive McLaren's bullshit?

Go rent "The Filth And The Fury", visit www.sex-pistols.net, and come back and tell me they were commercialists.

Some of you people and your misinformation... God...

I said Ramones, but I hold Flogging Molly in high regard. Personally, though, I don't really like mainstream. I like more small-time/local punk and ska.

i think either crass or the dead kennedys are the best but all of those listed are truly respectable

Bad Religion, Anti Flag, NoFX, The Clash, and The Sex Pistols. (In order of preference)

What a great poll!! I voted for Flogging Molly I love that band they are too awesome and so festive!

I do a write in for Anti-flag they are also very solid. And yet another write in for Rancid

To note I like all the bands listed they are all great.

Oh my fucking god... You actually belive McLaren's bullshit?

Go rent "The Filth And The Fury", visit www.sex-pistols.net, and come back and tell me they were commercialists.

Some of you people and your misinformation... God...
If the Sex Pistols weren't being commercial, then why did they "reunite?"

I'd say Bad Religion and Rancid.

and Chixdiggit.

Ramones. Period.

Flogging Molly if it was actually punk

The MC5, but I voted for The Clash.

NoFX. I vote for Ramones.

I'm going to vote for Flogging Molly as it's the only band on the list I've heard and liked.

AND WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE SAME OLD MESS, SINGING DRUNKEEEEEEN LUUUUUUULLABIIIIEEEEEEESSSSSS!!! :cool:

I would have gone for dead kennedys or the misfits, but the clash are still an amazing band, so ill go with them

AND WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE SAME OLD MESS, SINGING DRUNKEEEEEEN LUUUUUUULLABIIIIEEEEEEESSSSSS!!! :cool:
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. We play that with our band :fluffle:

I'm going to vote for Flogging Molly as it's the only band on the list I've heard and liked.
I have a hard time understanding how Flogging Molly is punk rock... They're more like celtic rock if you ask me.

Great band, great drinking music, but not punk rock music.

If the Sex Pistols weren't being commercial, then why did they "reunite?"


John said it himself that they wanted the money, since they never got any in the first place when they were originally together (Malcolm McLaren imbezzled it all). They also wanted to play again.

And the 2003 "American Piss Off" tour was just for fun; to play again. Oh yeah, and they donated most of the money they got from the tour. They didn't say which charities, but they did donate.

I have a hard time understanding how Flogging Molly is punk rock... They're more like celtic rock if you ask me.

Great band, great drinking music, but not punk rock music.
I concur. See post 15

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. We play that with our band :fluffle:
Would I know your band?

Would I know your band?
No. I can send you some stuff if you can receive large e-mails

I've been getting into a lot of California punk, so I'd have to say Bad Religion and Anti-Flag are highest on the list. NOFX is close behind.
Sex Pistols, Ramones, and Clash aren't that hardcore. :rolleyes: I hardly consider them punk. All they cared about is money, despite what they said.

Whoo! Hardcore! :fluffle:

I've been getting into a lot of California punk, so I'd have to say Bad Religion and Anti-Flag are highest on the list. NOFX is close behind.
Sex Pistols, Ramones, and Clash aren't that hardcore. :rolleyes: I hardly consider them punk. All they cared about is money, despite what they said.


Get a fucking clue, would ya? The Clash were the only sellouts of the three you listed. From "White Riot" in 1977 to London Postcards in 1982.

The Ramones did experiment with new sounds in the 80's, but not by any means did they sell out.

The Sex Pistols weren't even around long enough to sell out. Just signing to a major label to spread your music isn't selling out, not by any sense of the word. It's called being smart.

I doubt you know very much about the Ramones, much less the Pistols.

Clash a punk band???
they gave up on that one to become commercial, so I say they don´t even belong here

Clash a punk band???
they gave up on that one to become commercial, so I say they don´t even belong here


See Post #30.

The Ramones were *the* punk band. Some people say the New York Dolls, or others that came before them, but...well...I hate to say it, but I saw the NYD at Leeds, and they were crap. Flogging Molly are good, but I wouldn't say punk. Modern punk - NOFX. No comparison, I don't think. Humour, politics, good music. All you need for a good punk band.

I can't understand why people call NYD a Proto-Punk band. They were *total* shit, even on their recordings. They were full of themselves, and dressed in Glam fashion.

At least the Stooges were Proto-Punk, although leaning more toward Garage Rock.

I agree with you on the NOFX part. Quite the good band, they are.

The Ramones *were* Punk Rock, for America, anyway. The Sex Pistols were far better, and it would've been nice to see them mature as a band. The Ramones finally got skilled with their instruments in the 80's, while the Pistols were already skilled back in the 70's. I doubt that the Pistols would've gone to synth like the Ramones did, though.

I think Steve Jones would've been more beloved than Johnny Ramone. He could always play better, but falling out of the forefront can really kill your popularity.

Not really a punk fan more of a metal head myself but my co worker has made sure I got my fair share of the Ramones, Clash, and Flogging Molly out of those I would take the Ramones not a Irish punk fan and clash is alright but then again it is not really my prefered music

The only punk that was ever any good was Greenday. I say was because American Idiot is CRAP!

Festive. Yeah. That's a good word for Flogging Molly. Yeah. Cause words like "massive public intoxication" and "huge drunken riots" and "tactical police strikes required" are so harsh.

That said, I actually thought American Idiot was good. They finally got a little serious. Don't get me wrong, I love some of their old stuff, but a good punk rock band needs to have some social awareness.

And none were more socially-aware than the Sex Pistols.

Every single song *meant* something. Whether it was Holidays In The Sun or E.M.I. Unlimited Edition, there was a solid meaning to every single song.

And Green Day finally came through with a truthful, meaningful album in American Idiot.

In no paticular order I would go with The Clash, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Urban Guerillas, and Green Day. Pick just One? Too hard, they all have contributed something unique to the genre.

Yeah The Clash went commercial in the end, but that does not take away the amazing body of work they left from the earlier years.

IMHO American Idiot is the best work Green day has done. It's solid and it's passionate.

And none were more socially-aware than the Sex Pistols.

Every single song *meant* something. Whether it was Holidays In The Sun or E.M.I. Unlimited Edition, there was a solid meaning to every single song.

And Green Day finally came through with a truthful, meaningful album in American Idiot.


Meaningful is an interesting word. I have a hard time getting a solid moral to the story as a whole. Great music? Yeah. A lot of good political satire? Hell yeah. Uniting message? Not on I can see. Am i missing something?

I've been getting into a lot of California punk, so I'd have to say Bad Religion and Anti-Flag are highest on the list.
Erm, Anti Flag are from Pittsburgh. ;)

They didn't have one solid political message with every song, but as I said, they all meant something.

Though God Save The Queen and Anarchy In The U.K. were indeed anti-Monarchist, and Holidays In The Sun was against the Berlin Wall and the Soviets. After all, it is better to be diverse.

Oh, and Anti Flag is from Pittsburgh? Kick ass, man.

Murphys, because I'm a drinker. SO KISS ME, I'M SHIT-FACED, and I'm soaked, and I'm soiled in RUM.

THE DEAD KENNEDYS

There is no contest.

Holy fuck, somebody from Australia's heard of the Dead Kennedys!?

My favorite song's a tie between Kill The Poor and Holiday In Cambodia.

What's yours?

Holy fuck, somebody from Australia's heard of the Dead Kennedys!?

My favorite song's a tie between Kill The Poor and Holiday In Cambodia.

What's yours?Sure Pol Pot Saves, but how about Forest Fire?

Of the list it has to be the Pistols, the Ramones are better at various times, but I have to be in the right mood for them (except Sedated which I can always listen to).

Off the list, it really is mood thing. DKs are good, but what about The Violent Femmes or The Dead Milkmen or Sucidal Tendencies? And if you really want the metal edge punk try some old Black Flag.

Old Black Flag's pretty good, though I've only heard snippets. Henry Rollins turned them into a strip-Punk band... Almost no skill involved in there music, but still good anyway.

Along with said bands, I also like the (old) Misfits. The Misfits with Glenn Danzig. Favorite song by them? Where Eagles Dare, of course!

Oh, and about the Dead Kennedys: Their early stuff was Quality. Every song from Fresh Fruit was great. Then, they decided to go with the dodgy "Hardcore" crap. Most of the time, you couldn't tell what the hell Jello Biafra was saying, and the riffs weren't memorable or fun to listen to. They fell apart, pretty much. They did have some good times, with their covers of "Rawhide" and "I Fought The Law" (though I Fought The Law is more of a parody than a cover).

Rancid. I wouldn't really call Flogging Mollies punk.

Well I'm more of a fan of the hardcore myself (hmm The Ramones as my second pick from the list, whoda figured). Admittedly some of the DKs later stuff was not as good, but Forest Fire is definetely one of my top two DKs songs (Holday In Cambodia is the other). The thing is once you get off the list, the choices just get too large to be meaningful. I would rather have seen The DKs than The Clash, because if you include The Clash how do you justify keeping The Talking Heads off? but the T Heads weren't on the list.

And curse you very much for bringing up The Misfits. Only have them on cassette and the only cassette player I own that works is in a car.

Holy fuck, somebody from Australia's heard of the Dead Kennedys!?

My favorite song's a tie between Kill The Poor and Holiday In Cambodia.

What's yours?

Believe it or not, they're actually quite well known!

My favourites, hmm. Of course, Holiday in Cambodia, but i'd also have to go with California Uber Alles/We've got a Bigger Problem Now (for the extremely crazy chorus), Chemical Warfare and ugh....too many choices. :p

I like pretty much everything they did. There are a couple of weak songs though.

EDIT- Oops, I forgot Jesus Was A Terrorist was Jello and some other band.

Oh, the DKs kick ass. Their best songs would include Holiday In Cambodia, Kill The Poor or California Uber Alles. Difficult to choose between them, but I persoanlly love Moon Over Marin.

Crass or Subhumans (U.K.) [Voted for the Ramones because, like it or not, the Sex Pistols were overrated crap - which is why they spawned so many great bands who all thought they could do it better (*cough* The Fall, etc.)]

Crass for politics, and sheer inability to play though still producing something interesting to listen to, and the Subhumans for producing decent music with a message.

It would similarly be a shame to neglect old standbys such as The Buzzcocks and DOA as well. The Dead Kennedys were good, as was Black Flag, but what about Flipper?

It seems that wherever I go, the good 'ol Sex Pistols get next to no love.

Wow.

It seems that wherever I go, the good 'ol Sex Pistols get next to no love.

Wow.
They were more of a catalyst and a media racket than a great band. Never Mind the Bollocks is an OK record, but not a classic.

They were more of a catalyst and a media racket than a great band. Never Mind the Bollocks is an OK record, but not a classic.

Yep. They didn't produce enough stuff to be truly classic.

wHerE iS Go0d ChArLoTs i l0v tHEm TheY r teh besTSrerests of Dem All lol !

wHerE iS Go0d ChArLoTs i l0v tHEm TheY r teh besTSrerests of Dem All lol !
they're pop. :sniper: 'nuff said

they're pop. :sniper: 'nuff said

I think his post was satirical.

L7 was ok as well. They've quit now, though. And did anyone mention social distortion?
Well I voted for the Ramones anyway. They were cool. :cool:

I think his post was satirical.
oh right, hence the lol. :rolleyes:

i like Frenzal Rhomb :s

You're all forgetting:

Sham 69
The Buzzcocks
The Subhumans (UK)
The Lower Class Brats
The Distillers
Stiff Little Fingers
The Exploited
The Buzzcocks
The Undertones.

i like Frenzal Rhomb :s
frenzal rhomb isn't punk, so much as very angry little people :p

The Clash by leaps and bounds. I dont know if I would of went from the Clash, Ramones, Sex Pistols to jump all the way up to the celtic punk. Like people said where are the Dead Kennedys, I wouldnt of voted for them but they deserve to be on the list. How about Minor Threat? Or even Operation Ivy/Rancid would be more apporiate I think.

Kudos though on no pop punk bands I was afriad that the list was going to be Green Day, New Found Glory and Blink 182.

You're all forgetting:

Sham 69
The Buzzcocks
The Subhumans (UK)
The Lower Class Brats
The Distillers
Stiff Little Fingers
The Exploited
The Buzzcocks
The Undertones.


Undertones, damn straight! Teenage kicks!

You're all forgetting:

Sham 69
The Buzzcocks
The Subhumans (UK)
The Lower Class Brats
The Distillers
Stiff Little Fingers
The Exploited
The Buzzcocks
The Undertones.
Fingers!! closed groove is brilliant, it proves you can have a great punk song with out getting angry and stuff, listen to it and you'll know what i mean.

You're all forgetting:

Sham 69
The Buzzcocks
The Subhumans (UK)
The Lower Class Brats
The Distillers
Stiff Little Fingers
The Exploited
The Buzzcocks
The Undertones.
Since everyone's quoting this post i'd just like to point out the double-mention of the buzzcocks.

MURPHY"S LAW

The Clash by leaps and bounds. I dont know if I would of went from the Clash, Ramones, Sex Pistols to jump all the way up to the celtic punk. Like people said where are the Dead Kennedys, I wouldnt of voted for them but they deserve to be on the list. How about Minor Threat? Or even Operation Ivy/Rancid would be more apporiate I think.

Kudos though on no pop punk bands I was afriad that the list was going to be Green Day, New Found Glory and Blink 182.
you know your roots :)

Greg Graffin is the punkest punker, and Bad Religion is the best punk band...ever.

Oh, and Emo sucks. That's right, you heard me. Stupid whinny, depressing *grumble grumble* ruin the image of punk *grumble grumble*...

MC5...MC5...MC5....

Michigan City 5, eh?

You mean the guys who were so hardcore that they changed their music so they could sell more records in Supermarkets? Yeah, that's Punk Rock, alright.

Michigan City 5, eh?

You mean the guys who were so hardcore that they changed their music so they could sell more records in Supermarkets? Yeah, that's Punk Rock, alright.

If anything 'Motor City 5' is probably the closet to an official non-abbreviated name they had, but it was never really their name, nor for that matter was 'Mongolian Clusterfuck 5' - they were just the MC5. So what's this about them changing their music so they could sell more records? - are you refering to the 'brothers and sisters'/'motherfuckers' edit?

Yeah, they edited that so they could keep their records in certain Supermarkets. That's so anti-establishment.

As for their name --- I've heard it both ways. Strange.

Yeah, they edited that so they could keep their records in certain Supermarkets. That's so anti-establishment.

As for their name --- I've heard it both ways. Strange.

The edit was actually carried out by Elektra records rather than the band: they believed that the 'brothers and sisters' line would just be used on a radio version. Suffice to say that they were not happy when versions of the LP appeared with the 'brothers and sisters' line on them.

Okay, so it was the label that screwed them. The way I read it was that they told the label they wanted it to be changed.

Wow, the spin some of these websites put on these things.

Okay, so it was the label that screwed them. The way I read it was that they told the label they wanted it to be changed.

Wow, the spin some of these websites put on these things.

In fact it was probably the disagreement over the line between the band and the label which lead to them being dropped.

Well, that makes a lot more sense. A hell of a lot more.

Well, that makes a lot more sense. A hell of a lot more.

Ah - here's a quote from Rob Tyner which agrees with this story:

"What happened was, while I was doing some minor overdubs, they said 'While you're doing this, Rob - just a favor - why don't you just for radio purposes... why don't you just yell out, 'Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters?' Next thing I know, they pulled off the original [version] and put on the 'brothers and sisters' thing, and then they took the liner notes off and they stopped making the gatefold. What happened was, they were trying to take the edge off the switchblade of rock'n'roll."


('switchblade of rock'n'roll'???)

I see what he means.

"Switchblade of Rock 'n' Roll", meaning that the label was trying to eliminate the sense of danger surrounding the music. And it looks like, for the most part, they succeeded.

I see what he means.

"Switchblade of Rock 'n' Roll", meaning that the label was trying to eliminate the sense of danger surrounding the music. And it looks like, for the most part, they succeeded.

I understood what he meant by it, but at the end of the day the MC5 were carrying guitars, not switchblades (the White Panthers aside), and so it is all just intentional mystification and self-promotion.

I say the Ramones because they pretty much single-handedly invented punk rock, period. The Clash and The Saints are both tied for second, followed by (in no particular order) Minor Threat, the Dictators and the MC5. You can complain about how they may have sold out changing it to "kick out the jams, brothers and sisters" all you want, that doesn't dispute the fact that "kick out that jams", whatever the fuck you wanna call it, is an amazing song.

Oh my fucking god... You actually belive McLaren's bullshit?

Go rent "The Filth And The Fury", visit www.sex-pistols.net, and come back and tell me they were commercialists.

Umm... obviously you didn't know that the Sex Pistols were actually created to sell clothes for McLauren's store, Sex. Then Rotten ran the band into the ground with his childish temper and idiocy. The he kicked out their old bass player for Sid Vicious, who couldn't blay bass, but looked good - hence he was a good bass player for a band who was basically an advertisement. Then of course he (Rotten) quit the band because he hated it, and moved to New York - only to reunite with the band mates when offered a lot of money. Very punky. I saw them when they played a few years ago and they were awful, Rotten can't even be bothered to learn the lyrics to his own songs, and he had a temper tantrum onstage and left. The Sex Pistols are just a 70's version of Good Charlotte or Simple Plan, except they're not giant pussies like those guys are.

and Bad Religion is the best punk band...ever.

No, they're really not... if you even asked them, they would say no. They are decent, but aren't very original.


Sham 69
The Buzzcocks
The Subhumans (UK)
The Lower Class Brats
The Distillers
Stiff Little Fingers
The Exploited
The Buzzcocks
The Undertones

Nobody's forgetting them, they just honestly aren't good enough to make it to a top 5 list. Not even the Buzzcocks. Although Brody is smokin (fucking Josh Homme... grumble grumble)

Oh, and Emo sucks. That's right, you heard me. Stupid whinny, depressing *grumble grumble* ruin the image of punk *grumble grumble*...

Emo isn't punk... emo is depressed whiners who can't sing complaining about how their girlfriends left them because they have no balls.

Kudos though on no pop punk bands I was afriad that the list was going to be Green Day, New Found Glory and Blink 182.

Your fears are reasonable. On MuchMusic I once saw a poll asking who the next Nirvana would be, and the most popular vote was Billy Talent, followed by Good Charlotte. After I recovered from the subsequent triple heart attack, I seriously considered driving a truckload of fertilizer into Much headquarters.

Plus, today's punk scene consists of the Offspring, Green Day, The Hives, the Vines, a bunch of pop-punk wannabes like Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and Sum41, and some crazy-ass chicks that people think are punk like Avril Lavigne and Ashlee Simpson. Then there's these celtic punk jackasses like the Dropkick Murpheys who have like 9 people onstage at once and sing about the same thing, over and over again. "We're losers, let's get drunk". SHUT UP, NO-ONE CARES.

Green Day and the Offspring aren't bad, and the Hives have two good songs, but... the whole scene reminds me of the Matrix trilogy: started off amazing, but now is boring and repetative. What happened to the glorious days of CBGBs, and good punk bands like the Stooges or Tuff Darts or the Ramones or the Clash or the Saints or a hundred other awesome bands? Oh yea, they're not angsty, whiny teenagers, so they're not marketable.

I understood what he meant by it, but at the end of the day the MC5 were carrying guitars, not switchblades (the White Panthers aside), and so it is all just intentional mystification and self-promotion.


Exactly. Self-promoting yourself when there is no need is a just a wee bit ridiculous.

Think I heard of the Sex Pistols, but my fave's Simple Plan, if they count for punk. They're rock either way.

impossible question but...

Anti-Flag, Bad Religion, Misfits, and maybe NOFX.

Someone said the clash, pistols and ramons werent that hardcore.. thats because they're NOT hardcore.. fuckin idiot.. they are the early form of punk that molded what punk is what it is today, hardcore punk is completely different.. there are so many sub genre's of punk that you can't just say "favorite punk" using punk as one general category, its just not possible..


p.s. EMO ISN'T PUNK, IT GOES UNDER THE GENRE OF "WORTHLESS SHIT"

Also, Green Day is horrible. They are old, can't come up with decent lyrics, they repeat the same words 200 times in a song. Not many people here know what punk really is today...

I say the Ramones because they pretty much single-handedly invented punk rock, period. The Clash and The Saints are both tied for second, followed by (in no particular order) Minor Threat, the Dictators and the MC5. You can complain about how they may have sold out changing it to "kick out the jams, brothers and sisters" all you want, that doesn't dispute the fact that "kick out that jams", whatever the fuck you wanna call it, is an amazing song.

You see, this issue about MC5's been resolved alread. Read a few posts above, and you'll see. And about the Ramones "inventing" Punk Rock... NOBODY "invented" it. It sort of came about, like any movement, really. It didn't have one single "creator". It was a bunch of kids that were fed up and pissed off.

Umm... obviously you didn't know that the Sex Pistols were actually created to sell clothes for McLauren's store, Sex. Then Rotten ran the band into the ground with his childish temper and idiocy. The he kicked out their old bass player for Sid Vicious, who couldn't blay bass, but looked good - hence he was a good bass player for a band who was basically an advertisement. Then of course he (Rotten) quit the band because he hated it, and moved to New York - only to reunite with the band mates when offered a lot of money. Very punky. I saw them when they played a few years ago and they were awful, Rotten can't even be bothered to learn the lyrics to his own songs, and he had a temper tantrum onstage and left. The Sex Pistols are just a 70's version of Good Charlotte or Simple Plan, except they're not giant pussies like those guys are.

LOL, like I said, get a fucking clue. Look at the real side of the story, not McLaren's selfish, poster-boy "I created this, I created that" bullshit. www.sex-pistols.net and rent The Filth And The Fury. Oh, and you really shouldn't try to advance your "argument" without providing links to this bullshit. Links to REASONABLE and RESPECTED sites, not those "Hardcore" hubs that don't know what the fuck they're talking about.


Plus, today's punk scene consists of the Offspring, Green Day, The Hives, the Vines, a bunch of pop-punk wannabes like Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and Sum41, and some crazy-ass chicks that people think are punk like Avril Lavigne and Ashlee Simpson. Then there's these celtic punk jackasses like the Dropkick Murpheys who have like 9 people onstage at once and sing about the same thing, over and over again. "We're losers, let's get drunk". SHUT UP, NO-ONE CARES.

Fascist you are, a fascist with some really big problems. Punk Rock is about having fun, and not giving a flying fuck about what other people think of your music. Of course, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, Avril Lavigne, and Sum 41 definately are Pop-Rock, but what you said about "Celtic Punk Jackasses" is really, really misinformed and stupid. Once again... Get a clue and redirect yourself.

Has to be Sex Pistols.

Has to be Sex Pistols.


Somebody agrees with me. Wow? Well, I really don't know what to think. At least somebody agrees with me on this subject.

The Clash!

:D

i reall only listen to 3 punk rock bands The Clash Flogging Molley and Dropkick Murphys

but i voted for Flogging Molley cause i like em the best

The only on of those I've heard were Flogging Molly, and they were decent.

My favorite punk bands are the Deal, Hannover Saints, Comeback Kid, Rise Against, and War Rocket Ajax. There are more but I can't remember them right now.

... but what you said about "Celtic Punk Jackasses" is really, really misinformed and stupid.

Test for yous all: anyone care to actually try and name some real Irish punk bands other than the aforementioned SLF?

F: None of the above

No offense meant to the above band's fans, but The Business just kick such large amounts of ass it isn't funny. Go check out Hardcore Hooligan, great album, especially if you like soccer/football.

Umm... obviously you didn't know that the Sex Pistols were actually created to sell clothes for McLauren's store, Sex.

Nah: Wally Nightingale, Steve Jones and Paul Cook were playing as a band long before they encountered McLaren. It is unarguable that he provided the name for them and led them to ditch Nightingale and then added Lydon and Matlock to their ranks, but claiming that he created them is missing the point.

doesnt anyone like the casualties?i like them, dead kennedys, the clash and social distortion. its good to know there are other punks out there

Agree with other posters. Dead Kennedys should be on the list. (considering they were the best punk band that ever was imo)

Nah: Wally Nightingale, Steve Jones and Paul Cook were playing as a band long before they encountered McLaren. It is unarguable that he provided the name for them and led them to ditch Nightingale and then added Lydon and Matlock to their ranks, but claiming that he created them is missing the point.


Actually, the way it goes is that Steve and Paul ditched Wally because he was a bum and a loser. They ditched him in 1974, almost a full year before they got McLaren as their manager. McLaren did help them with renaming the band after John joined in 1975, but that's it. It was Glen Matlock who told Steve and Paul that John looked like he was just what they needed.

Why did I say "renamed"? Well, it's simple. They started out in 1972 as "The Strand". They just messed around for a while, and in early 1974, they renamed themselves "The Swankers". Soon after, they ditched Wally, and then they were left without a focal point. They got one in John Lydon in the summer of '75, and then they renamed themselves the Sex Pistols, with the help of Malcolm. They were a band even before Jeff Hyman and John Cummings thought of the "Ramones".

Yes, it is true that McLaren and Westwood designed and sold clothes to help out with the band's popularity. But the band really didn't like this, and since they had no money (McLaren let them have "allowance" each week, instead of paying them what they deserved), they had to wear those clothes.

A very complex story, I know, but there's a reason why people get confused and/or just think that the Pistols were a sham.

Emo isn't punk... emo is depressed whiners who can't sing complaining about how their girlfriends left them because they have no balls.
Emo isn't punk. It's just real music with serious emotion, with meaningful lyrics. And no stupid pointless violence. Or stupid, misinformed fans.

How many punks does it take to change a lightbulb?
Two. One to change it and the other to kick the chair out from under the first.

How many punks does it take to change a lightbulb?
Two. One to change it and one to say, "Dude, that is so not punk rock"

:p

I mean, erm, sob, sob, my life sucks, I'll go slit my wrists now. :(

Wow, it looks like the MC5 got called out while I was away. Thank you, BWO, for standing up for them when I couldn't.

Emo isn't punk. It's just real music with serious emotion, with meaningful lyrics. And no stupid pointless violence. Or stupid, misinformed fans.

How many punks does it take to change a lightbulb?
Two. One to change it and the other to kick the chair out from under the first.

How many punks does it take to change a lightbulb?
Two. One to change it and one to say, "Dude, that is so not punk rock"

:p

I mean, erm, sob, sob, my life sucks, I'll go slit my wrists now. :(


Do you like real emo or the fake shit that's on MTV nowadays?

Who the fuck didn't include the Velvet Underground?

Who the fuck didn't include the Velvet Underground?

The thread starter, obviously.

the Hives have two good songs, but....

in defense of the hives, they're original and fucking awesome. honestly more of a garage-ish band than punk, but how can you argue with such snazzy dressers? plus lets face it, sweden pwns.

go out there, buy Tyrannosaurus Hives (or download it if purchasing it is two pro-establishment for you). one of the best albums of 2004.

oh, and i've really been digging Against Me! recently. their Reinventing Axl Rose album is fucking fantastic.

I love the Ramones, but I went with the British Fav, The Sex Pistols

Who the fuck didn't include the Velvet Underground?


What the fuck... Not more of this...

The Velvet Underground =/= Punk Rock. Simple as that.

Green day, Bad Religion, And the Ramones are the best.

What the fuck... Not more of this...

The Velvet Underground =/= Punk Rock. Simple as that.

i have no idea wtf =/= punk rock, but the Velvet Underground were the first punk band ever. fucking certified.

I have to apologize to everybody. I just sort of put up whatever bands that came to mind. I'm not the biggest punk, in fact it is somewhat questionable if I even know what punk rock is. I think the Clash are very good, and have some very nice songs with interesting subjects, but they are definately not hard core. The Dropkick Murphys are the only other punkish band that I have listened to, and they're pretty good too.

Right now, I'm listening to Hasitic Jewish Reggae band Matisyahu. Its pretty neat to hear this guy rhyme and beatbox, and at the same time be a Hasitic Jew. That's definately not punk, but I've been listening to the Sandinista! album quite a lot. The Clash've got some good numbers on that one. I think me and de band might play Police on my Back or Somebody Got Murdered.

Matisyahu? Nice.. i've listened to him before, if you are familiar with reggae in the NYC area his band used to include members of the Version City/Jammyland crew.

i have no idea wtf =/= punk rock, but the Velvet Underground were the first punk band ever. fucking certified.


Yeah, right. And Josef Stalin was the world's first and foremost Social Libertarian.

That's definately not punk, but I've been listening to the Sandinista! album quite a lot.

Their finest LP. So shoot me.

Sandinista! is definately under-appreciated. However, "Black Market Clash" is up there with their best work. It's got their best B-sides all on one 10" Vinyl EP!

Yeah, right. And Josef Stalin was the world's first and foremost Social Libertarian.

just because something doesn't sound like what you associate with 'punk' doesn't make it not punk. the idea behind punk is rejection of the ideals that society presents us with, including the sounds it tells us are beautiful and the clothes it tells us are fashionable. the velvet underground epitomized this in a time when 'nonconformist' was never used in informal conversation (most people who use it nowadays are pretentious pussies, but who gives) or even a tangible concept. andy warhol, as the man who assembled them in their original form, is directly responsible for the birth of punk.

out of curiosity (seriously not to try and portray you as ignorant), have you ever listened to the velvet underground?

Do you like real emo or the fake shit that's on MTV nowadays?
I donno. Brand New's my favourite band, and I hear that they're occasionally on MTV2. I like bands like Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, Thrice and My Chemical Romance, but not the Used or Dashboard Confessional.

I do listen to a lot of the less mainstream emo though. Bright Eyes, Cursive, Sunny Day Real Estate, Death Cab For Cutie, Moneen, etc.