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Aghhh, Paul Daniels said I need to see a psychiatrist

Anarchic Conceptions
07-03-2005, 01:02
For non-Brits (and maybe a few Brits too), Paul Daniels is a fairly famous stage magician in the UK.

Anyway, there was a program on Channel 4 that just finished about contriversial stuff on the telly. Normally I avoid these types of programs (mainly because it is the same talking heads and the same 'landmarks' in TV history). Although I watched this one since in the TV guide it said Brass Eye would be featured (a TV series that was axed and which I personally loved).

Anyway, amoung the talking heads it featured were quite a few self styled "Complainers" (that is people who actively call in and complain about TV programs). However the odd thing that struck me was their whole lives seemed to revolve around watching TV with the intent to find things to complain about (does this count as masochism? Or just bloodymindedness to change the channel or turn the TV off?). I reached this conclusion by the fact that there seemed to be a core three (four if you include the guy from Mediawatch UK (http://www.mediawatchuk.org/mainsite.htm), although the fact that he in charge of such a group speaks volumes imo), that had an opinion of just about everything featured.

To bring this back to the thread title, Paul Daniels was one of the complainers (although not part of the hard core) and he was refering to the Brass Eye Special on pedophilia (evidently missing the point of the program). Where he said that anyone that found the program funny needs to see a psychiatrist. As I have said before, I love Brass Eye, and the Special was no exception. Of course he failed to see the point of it. (As a side note, it is the second most complained about program in British TV history, it got c.992 complaints)

For those of you that have never seen/heard about it. Brass Eye was taking the piss out of how the media was handelling the pedophile scandal that rocked the UK a few years ago, rather then taking the piss out of pedophilia and its victims.

(If you've read this far into my meaningless whitterings I'm impressed.) However, it got me thinking. What is your view on TV that intentionally sets out to be contriversial? (Bear in mind all these programs were well after the 9:00pm watershed.)

Another part that interested me was when (I forget exactly who it was) was going through the words that were traditionally deemed offensive. These were swear words that we all know (and love), with the worst being ****, which relegated fuck and its permutations a bit further down the list (since it is apparently really uber-offensive). But what interested me more was when the guy held up a board with more modern offensive words, words deemed more offensive the **** at any rate. On the whole, these were understandable. They were racial slurs such as ******, wop et al (admit it, you all know them). But what surpised me were the other words on this list that included Jesus, Christ and Jew (the more obvious racial slurs against Jews were curiously absent) amoung others. Just found it odd.

And no, you cannot have the time you wasted reading this rambling back.
I V Stalin
07-03-2005, 01:05
I felt exactly the same way when Paul Daniels said that. Although if you watched the Louis Theroux show, where he followed Daniels around for a week(?), you'd know that he's ultra-conservative, and is likely to complain about that sort of thing.
Anarchic Conceptions
07-03-2005, 01:12
I felt exactly the same way when Paul Daniels said that. Although if you watched the Louis Theroux show, where he followed Daniels around for a week(?), you'd know that he's ultra-conservative, and is likely to complain about that sort of thing.
It was one of the times I physically felt like banging my head on the wall.

Although I missed the Louis Theroux program (I remember it advirtised though), but nothing surprises me about the man.

The one thing I didn't get about the complainers though was that they seemed to go out of their way to be insulted, and try and be as vocal as possible to show everyone they have been insulted. Usually when I see something that insults me on TV (very rarely), I turn it off, turn it over or read a book. I just don't get the mentality.
Neo-Anarchists
07-03-2005, 01:17
Speaking of people calling in to disagree, my local news reads two or three letters it recieves every morning. The guy always seems to pick one that he finds funny, although he won't admit to it. Like one where someone was trying to say that the use of the words "Mentally different" was not politically correct, after they had written in a week before saying the station shouldn't say "mentally ill".

Well, what should they do, just refuse to acknowledge that mental illnesses exist?

Then there was another one claiming that some murderer that was on trial reently was a hero for some reason or other, and it was immensely funny.
Pure Metal
07-03-2005, 01:18
What is your view on TV that intentionally sets out to be contriversial? (Bear in mind all these programs were well after the 9:00pm watershed.)
all media is a business, be it newspapers, TV, radio. everyone but the BBC are out to make money. how? get good stories. stories that sell papers, or get the most people tuning in. what kind of stories do this best? ones that shock people, ones that surprise people... in short, controversial stories.
the BBC has to go along with this or they won't get any ratings at all.

hence, imo, all media is out there to make as much money as possible by intentionally grabbing people's attention with intentionally controversial stories.
Anarchic Conceptions
07-03-2005, 01:23
all media is a business, be it newspapers, TV, radio. everyone but the BBC are out to make money. how? get good stories. stories that sell papers, or get the most people tuning in. what kind of stories do this best?

And don't forget. Controvesy = free advirtising.

And Malcolm McLaren(?) said "All publicity is good publicity"

ones that shock people, ones that surprise people... in short, controversial stories.
the BBC has to go along with this or they won't get any ratings at all.
IIRC, in the program the BBC didn't feature that much (disregarding the Jerry Springer: The Musical for a second). The BBC has to be good if it wants to keep its charter and not become commercial.

hence, imo, all media is out there to make as much money as possible by intentionally grabbing people's attention with intentionally controversial stories.
Well this was entertainment, not news. And a lot of it I failed to see as being contraversial. I love Brass Eye because it is funny, not because it is contraversial. Meh, maybe I am corrupted and it is too late to save me :)
Nadkor
07-03-2005, 01:23
i found it hilarious when these people who thought they knew was right and they were fully justified in complaining said that gays on tv was disgusting, but had no problem with racism...hmm...
Anarchic Conceptions
07-03-2005, 01:27
Well, what should they do, just refuse to acknowledge that mental illnesses exist?

Sorry, this line reminded of one of the talking heads that took outrage at Queer As Folk (a drama series that dealt with homosexuals in Manchester), mainly because she seemed to want to stay in her own little world where they didn't exist.

i found it hilarious when these people who thought they knew was right and they were fully justified in complaining said that gays on tv was disgusting, but had no problem with racism...hmm...

You mean you one that found anything vaguely sexual or homosexual insulting, but thought that Mind Your Language was good, wholesome entertainment?

I never thought that I could have negative respect for someone I didn't really know. Yet another frontier pushed :)
Nadkor
07-03-2005, 01:29
You mean you one that found anything vaguely sexual or homosexual insulting, but thought that Mind Your Language was good, wholesome entertainment?

I never thought that I could have negative respect for someone I didn't really know. Yet another frontier pushed :)
thats the one
Anarchic Conceptions
07-03-2005, 01:36
thats the one
I wanted to her views on the Black and White Minstrels. :)

Anyway, I'm going to see if I can find "Grade is a ****" on my DVD. Probably not, but well. It's something to do that doesn't involve the judiciary.
Nadkor
07-03-2005, 01:39
I wanted to her views on the Black and White Minstrels. :)

Anyway, I'm going to see if I can find "Grade is a ****" on my DVD. Probably not, but well. It's something to do that doesn't involve the judiciary.
when i saw her saying that it was just fun, i just wanted her to be shot...or something. maybe something less violent, but something that makes her realise just how completely stupid shes just made herself look
It is all good
07-03-2005, 01:42
So did you see a shrink yet?

wink...

that is okay ...

The guy that wrote the book - "The Postman" ... Yes the one that later became a movie with kevin costner...

Told the whole world on NPR he feels sad for me..... Because I distrust government..lol.....

Troy* :rolleyes:
Anarchic Conceptions
07-03-2005, 02:10
when i saw her saying that it was just fun, i just wanted her to be shot...or something. maybe something less violent, but something that makes her realise just how completely stupid shes just made herself look

She's only expressing what this country was built on ;)

Told the whole world on NPR he feels sad for me..... Because I distrust government..lol...

Does he feel sad for me too?
It is all good
07-03-2005, 02:29
he must... :headbang:
Demented Hamsters
07-03-2005, 06:13
You mention that the Brass Eye episode was the 2nd most complained about program shown. Out of interest, what's the first?
Anarchic Conceptions
07-03-2005, 12:24
Jerry Springer: The Musical.

Third was Derran Brown's Seance. Another program where most of the complainers missed the point of the program.