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Reading the Marijuana thread, well this isn't all about Marijuana, but also concerning other more illegal drugs

The other day, I was talking to my brother, and although both of us are adamant vs. any sorts of mind affecting chemicals either than for medical purposes, but there's still the fact that drugs traficking is happening everywhere and is bad for the society, because it funds cartels and gangsters and the rest.

So my brother suggested a good idea, why not make Drug cafe's. Legalize drugs, but only limit it to drug cafe's.

Drug cafe's would be a special cafe that everyone after a certain age may be allowed to enter like Strip bars, prostitute dens etc. And it is controlled by the government (no private institutions, all MUST BE public). It can be a huge cafe with night clubs inside it, or just a standalone shop next to big clubs & bars or 'special' motels.

Now people, can go in, for a moderately cheap price, buy their drugs (given a safe dosage) they want by a trained pharmacist , and then use the many variety of facilities inside or nearby, like karaoke bars, night clubs, private bedrooms etc. Over here, they would have special attention, that at the ring of the emergency button incase of OD's, specially trained doctors and nurses would be on the standby to come and save their life if something bad happends.

Of course, the users have to sign a paper that the government would not be liable if a person so croaks, but the doctors would do as best as he can to save your life.

If the price is reasonable, and they government would ensure 100% confidentiallity of the users of this place, this would curb down illegal smuggling of drugs, and push the price of illegals to near nothing, but for that price, and the safety of your life plus a good time might as well you come to a drug cafe.

Not only would the drug cafe's ensure you have a higher chance of surviving, but is also good for the science community in research of the effects of drugs long-period with scientist around observing, plus with government receiving the funding through drug users, they can create more potent drugs with less side effects. Totally creating better drugs than cartels can possibly mix.

And for those so high that their out of their mind, very cheap bunk beds are provided so they can sleep the night to sleep it off. If you get addicted, it's your grave, hey, its just like gambling institutions. But a good thing about it, is that since the government should be making soooo much money, they should be able to help you get over it by funding drug relievement centre's better.

Drug Cafe's A necessary evil in my opinion.

It'd be cool, but I still would go through my old methods because it's just as easy and not as restrictive...

And, contrary to public perception, different kinds of drug users don't tend to like each other that much. Amphetamine(sp) users are a drag to be around and to them potheads are irratating hippies. While this is not universal, and need makes strange bedfellows, a lot of 'heads' won't want to be around people that tense (amph).

The harder the drug the much larger the distrust is going to be, and when you're sliding up from the distrust over your average 'head,' you're getting someone who really isn't going to be all that trusting of a government house like that.

Not to mention having to wade through the self-rightious and the religious people that are going to pile up infront of those places, it'd be too much of a hassle. And you can't tell them they can't be there, it just doesn't (and shouldn't) work that way. It would just be a giant drag that I could avoid by goin' to the same cat I always go to, coming home lighting up and watching tv quietly.

And really, if that's what I'm doing, whats the big fuckin' deal?

I sincerely doubt it would be "moderately cheap." It's like comparing buying a bottle of grog with visiting the pub. I know which i'd prefer money-wise. No, just legalize them outright.

This might be a better idea for *certain* drugs (ie. opiates such as Heroin- but safe injecting rooms are a better idea), but not all, and nor is it necessary in my opinion. Simple regulation of what goes into ecstasy tablets would eliminate nearly all of the problems associated with them and make them safe (while I don't use it myself).

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drug cafes are a good idea, but i don't think the best. soft drugs, like marijuana, could be 'legalised' for use in special cafes or shops (i prefer the idea of having regulated private firms running them, but needing government granted special licences to do so), but the harder drugs should be kept off the high street and away from public view/access. perhaps the harder drugs should be dealt with (excuse the pun) by the government as you suggest.

legalising the chain of supply will invariably, in the long term, decriminalise the market, making the drugs that people do decide to use (at their own risk) higher quality, less risky, and less damaging to their health than they have to be.

ultimatley, i want to see amsterdam-style cannabis cafes on high streets (hehe) all round britain. i would also like to own/work in one :)

Wouldn't work in America, stripping is barely allowed

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Sorry if this thread is dying, I'm trying to get the best feedback possible. :D THinking of using this idea for my marketing assignment. Haha. :)

Try and criticize, or add to my Drug Cafe idea.

Yeah.. Drug cafe´s are great.. seriously.. I´ve been there a couple of times now.. :) Yeah.. I live in Holland.. yay

Yeah.. I live in Holland.. yay
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Reading the Marijuana thread, well this isn't all about Marijuana, but also concerning other more illegal drugs

The other day, I was talking to my brother, and although both of us are adamant vs. any sorts of mind affecting chemicals either than for medical purposes, but there's still the fact that drugs traficking is happening everywhere and is bad for the society, because it funds cartels and gangsters and the rest.

So my brother sugg..>>>>>>>>>>snip<<<<<<<<<<<<

Drug Cafe's A necessary evil in my opinion.
now, see what getting stoned all the time does to ones mind?

see, the thing about opium dens and crackhouses is, they are really depressing and horrible.

Yeah.. Drug cafe´s are great.. seriously.. I´ve been there a couple of times now.. :) Yeah.. I live in Holland.. yay
*high fives Koekedores*

I have a problem with subsidizing vices. Make it private industry or keep it illegal. In fact, just keep it illegal. Statistics show that drug prevention programs have been getting more and more effective since their inception and that they'll continue to get even more effective as time goes on. I don't know if this applies to urban areas or not. It hardly matters though. I've always been in favor of sending in the national guard to hunt down gangsters and drug dealers. That'd solve the problem real quickly. Then we could invaid South America and Shock and Awe the drug dealers compounds and farms.

nice idea, but too many flaws.

Psychoactive drugs. Setting and music is very important, and it's a very personal thing. So if you're tripping on acid with a group of unknown people paranoia may occur. There are LOTS AND LOTS of flaws.

Addiction is also a problem
, especially with heroin. I mean, you'd get the safe dose the first time. But what about after several weeks of use when your tolerance builds up. What are you going to do then? The same dose wouldn't work.

But hell, i'd prefer taking psychoactives at home than at some bar.

nice idea, but too many flaws.

Psychoactive drugs. Setting and music is very important, and it's a very personal thing. So if you're tripping on acid with a group of unknown people paranoia may occur. There are LOTS AND LOTS of flaws.

Addiction is also a problem
, especially with heroin. I mean, you'd get the safe dose the first time. But what about after several weeks of use when your tolerance builds up. What are you going to do then? The same dose wouldn't work.

But hell, i'd prefer taking psychoactives at home than at some bar.
and how long does it take before the addicts won't leave, before it becomes jsut another abandonded two-flat, basements full of human waste, as the toilets stopped working years ago, upper floors saturated with the stench of the shells of what were once men, who writhe in bliss and agony on the floor? how long before the drug bars in the yuppy neighborhoods start attracting "the wrong crowd"? how long before the wealthy elite start bitching about the problem that is just as much theirs as anyone elses and it becomes illegal eagain? how long before america's youth once again start dying by the thousands?
it's a difficult problem, and, short of totalitarianism, a solution always seems to be just out of reach.

I have a problem with subsidizing vices. Make it private industry or keep it illegal. In fact, just keep it illegal. Statistics show that drug prevention programs have been getting more and more effective since their inception and that they'll continue to get even more effective as time goes on. I don't know if this applies to urban areas or not. It hardly matters though. I've always been in favor of sending in the national guard to hunt down gangsters and drug dealers. That'd solve the problem real quickly. Then we could invaid South America and Shock and Awe the drug dealers compounds and farms.
prohibition is more and more effective??

well for some drugs maybe, but for many (such as marijuana... the drug i wish to see legalised) the "War On Drugs" is a very very expensive and dismal failure. if i was on my PC back at uni i'd post a link to the War On Drugs clock, showing just how much the US Govt. spends on loosing this war. people still use drugs, drugs are becoming more prevalent (at least in the UK) according to the media (of course actual statistics may counter this claim), and utlimatley prohibiton is not working. its time to try something else.

It wouldn't be a very good idea because it doesn't accomplish any of your objectives. There will still be a black market for drugs, just for a cheaper rate. This rate would actually increase the amount of drugs in society. It would also make stealing drugs easier. It would cause controversy about it, and the drug dealers will blend in the background.

bump. that's all. just bump.