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MTV helps spread AIDS

[NS]Commando3
05-03-2005, 23:58
I ask you nationstates, can you tell me the one way to crush AIDS? I'll tell you. It's called abstinence. Not contraception, not sex education, but abstinence. Contraception fails because about 20% of the time it messes up, and sex education just endorses contraception. However with abstinance AIDS is nearly impossible to get. And soon it would be no more.

However, the secular liberal culture we live in tries to stop this. A perfect example is MTV. MTV says abstinance is "uncool" and promotes birth control instead. Of course they don't care that birth control prevents an innocent life, but thats not the point of this topic. Thanks to MTV and VH1 and movies like American Pie AIDS is spreading fast. People are dying, and innocent people have to suffer from it, all thanks to the sickening, corrupt elitist culture.

The teenage culture that corrupts them has a huge influence. MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other. And then these couples, who don't even know each other, have immoral sex and MTV says how cool it is. And in its music videos they have whores wear nearly no clothes. Imagine how much pressure this puts on the kids who make idols out of these immoral elitists.

And with evil movies like American Pie where immoral sex is shown as a goal and a good thing more kids come under pressure. And it doesn't help with SS nazi abortionists saying they'll murder their kids for them once they get pregnant so they can have immoral fornication all they want without worrying about pregnancy. The SS abortionists will just wipe out an entire generation! No wonder immoral sex has gone up.

In conclusion I point the finger of blame at the evil secular entertainment industry for the AIDS problem. This may sound crazy but please think about what I have said. Thank you.
Potaria
05-03-2005, 23:59
Oh god... Not ANOTHER one...
Colodia
06-03-2005, 00:00
All in favor of cracking up at this topic, please raise your hands.

*raises hand*
Potaria
06-03-2005, 00:01
I raised my hand long ago, but I quickly got extremely pissed.
Drunk commies
06-03-2005, 00:01
Condoms do not fail 20% of the time. That's just a lie told to keep abstinence education in the schools. In fact, teaching abstinence only has been shown to lead to more pregnancies. Kids need all the facts so they can make better descisions.
Arribastan
06-03-2005, 00:02
Commando3']I ask you nationstates, can you tell me the one way to crush AIDS? I'll tell you. It's called abstinence. Not contraception, not sex education, but abstinence. Contraception fails because about 20% of the time it messes up, and sex education just endorses contraception. However with abstinance AIDS is nearly impossible to get. And soon it would be no more.

However, the secular liberal culture we live in tries to stop this. A perfect example is MTV. MTV says abstinance is "uncool" and promotes birth control instead. Of course they don't care that birth control prevents an innocent life, but thats not the point of this topic. Thanks to MTV and VH1 and movies like American Pie AIDS is spreading fast. People are dying, and innocent people have to suffer from it, all thanks to the sickening, corrupt elitist culture.

The teenage culture that corrupts them has a huge influence. MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other. And then these couples, who don't even know each other, have immoral sex and MTV says how cool it is. And in its music videos they have whores wear nearly no clothes. Imagine how much pressure this puts on the kids who make idols out of these immoral elitists.

And with evil movies like American Pie where immoral sex is shown as a goal and a good thing more kids come under pressure. And it doesn't help with SS nazi abortionists saying they'll murder their kids for them once they get pregnant so they can have immoral fornication all they want without worrying about pregnancy. The SS abortionists will just wipe out an entire generation! No wonder immoral sex has gone up.

In conclusion I point the finger of blame at the evil secular entertainment industry for the AIDS problem. This may sound crazy but please think about what I have said. Thank you.
This logically means that men that jerk off are killing babies.
Do you support the death penalty? Because then we'd have to kill off most men.
San haiti
06-03-2005, 00:03
Teenagers are going to have sex. You cant stop that no matter how much education you give them. Abstinance education merely ensures they do it under a veil of ignorance and are more likely to end up getting pregnant.
The Black Forrest
06-03-2005, 00:03
Commando?

Do you have problems getting a girlfriend?

There seems to be a theme going on here.....
Fass
06-03-2005, 00:04
How come Commando isn't DOS by now? This is his third iteration, apparently, but will be ignored by me just the same as Commando2 was.
Vangaardia
06-03-2005, 00:04
I do often wonder how many people would, knowing the person they are about have sex with has aids would just strap on a condom and dive in? Or if female allow the person with aids to strap on and dive in?

I have asked a couple safe sex teacher and just a couple certainly do not make it universally true but the funny thing was both teachers replied the same way they would not do it. I thought that odd.
Ashmoria
06-03-2005, 00:04
there is only one problem with abstinence

it doesnt work

it doesnt work with todays teens
it didnt work with their parents
it didnt work with their grandparents

it didnt even work in colonial times

you cant force abstinence on others. most people have a very hard time keeping to just their own pledge of chastity. so why not try something a bit more realistic for the general population.

if you are going to have sex, do it as safely as possible.
Ezekial2517
06-03-2005, 00:05
"So a rat may taste like punk'n pie but I'd never know cuz I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker."

People who make choices have to live with those consequences. If they want to have unprotected sex, let them live with the crotch rot and such. Fuck them for making dumb choices.

In regards to MTV, no one has put a gun to your head. Change the channel.
The Black Forrest
06-03-2005, 00:06
Commando3']
In conclusion I point the finger of blame at the evil secular entertainment industry for the AIDS problem. This may sound crazy but please think about what I have said. Thank you.

Ahh what the hell?

We all now Christians created AIDS to kill gays and Africans.

:rolleyes:
MACOnians
06-03-2005, 00:06
Please, please, tell me this is a joke. It seemed like a nutcase from the beginning but then the words "Evil" and "SS nazi abortionists" got involved, and that scares me. So comeon, it's a joke right, right?
Vangaardia
06-03-2005, 00:07
there is only one problem with abstinence

it doesnt work

it doesnt work with todays teens
it didnt work with their parents
it didnt work with their grandparents

it didnt even work in colonial times

you cant force abstinence on others. most people have a very hard time keeping to just their own pledge of chastity. so why not try something a bit more realistic for the general population.

if you are going to have sex, do it as safely as possible.

So true they're gonna do it regardless.
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 00:09
How come Commando isn't DOS by now? This is his third iteration, apparently, but will be ignored by me just the same as Commando2 was.
Commando2 was never deleted, just temporarily forumbanned, at least as far as I know.
[NS]Commando3
06-03-2005, 00:09
Please, please, tell me this is a joke. It seemed like a nutcase from the beginning but then the words "Evil" and "SS nazi abortionists" got involved, and that scares me. So comeon, it's a joke right, right?

Planned Parenthood was founded by a Nazi on Nazi ideals. The SS abortionists run a genocide prgram that has killed 45,000,000 babies in the us alone. They are evil.
I_Hate_Cows
06-03-2005, 00:09
All in favor of cracking up at this topic, please raise your hands.

*raises hand*
If I raise my hand how will I be able to gather all these nerf footballs for the nerf'ing.
Sharazar
06-03-2005, 00:09
If [NS]Commando3 proves to continue posting similar ideas to this one, i may put him in the "NS Holy trinity".

[NS]Commando3
JesusSaves
VoteEarly

Is opening these threads worth the risk of damnation by... the NS Holy Trinity?
Lunatic Goofballs
06-03-2005, 00:10
Personally, I think the Catholic Church does as much to promote the spread of HIV by condemning safer sex and even birth control than MTV does by promoting safer sex. If not more.

After all, condoms may occasionally fail(I refuse to believe that it's 20%), but abstaining fails considerably more often. JUst take a look at southern and western Africa. I could be mistaken, but I don't think MTV is very popular there. :p
Potaria
06-03-2005, 00:10
Commando3']Planned Parenthood was founded by a Nazi on Nazi ideals. The SS abortionists run a genocide prgram that has killed 45,000,000 babies in the us alone. They are evil.


Sure would've been nice if they aborted just one more person.
Fass
06-03-2005, 00:11
Commando2 was never deleted, just temporarily forumbanned, at least as far as I know.

Isn't circumventing a ban a deletable offence?
Atheistic Might
06-03-2005, 00:11
Your logic is flawed. The best way to eliminate AIDS, and all other STDs, is to kill everyone that has them. Would it work? Probably. Should we do it? No.

The point is, nothing is a perfect solution. Nothing. Not abstinence only education, not distributing condoms, not even normal sex education.
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 00:12
Isn't circumventing a ban a deletable offence?
Huh.
I dunno.
Dakini
06-03-2005, 00:13
I do often wonder how many people would, knowing the person they are about have sex with has aids would just strap on a condom and dive in? Or if female allow the person with aids to strap on and dive in?

I have asked a couple safe sex teacher and just a couple certainly do not make it universally true but the funny thing was both teachers replied the same way they would not do it. I thought that odd.
I wouldn't.

For one thing, I would only have sex with someone if I'm very close to them and involved in such a way and could possibly see a future... If someone has aids, that means that they could get quite ill and be ill for some time, while there's nothing keeping me from being friends with them, I would not want to get involved at that level, I wouldn't be able to deal with it.

Furthermore, that's just a risk that not many people would take. 98% protection sounds all good... but that's still 2% to worry about...

Teaching abstinance is stupid. If anything, teach self respect and you'll have a lot fewer people fucking everything that moves or puts a move on them. Exclusive sex = good.
Super-power
06-03-2005, 00:14
Commando3'] And it doesn't help with SS nazi abortionists
You've fufilled Godwin's Law - I win :D
Kervoskia
06-03-2005, 00:14
Lmao. I retract my nomination of VoteEarly as funniest poster... [NS]Commando3 takes the cake.
Armed Bookworms
06-03-2005, 00:15
Um, if you wouldn't feed the troll the thread would just die. Instead you've pegged it near the top.
Colodia
06-03-2005, 00:15
Sure would've been nice if they aborted just one more person.
:D
Potaria
06-03-2005, 00:16
I thought somebody might pick up on that one :D.
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 00:18
This message has been deleted by Fass. Reason: change in quoted post
Actually, I changed my mind and asked anyway.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8364648
Hopefully I'll get a response.
The Black Forrest
06-03-2005, 00:18
Personally, I think the Catholic Church does as much to promote the spread of HIV by condemning safer sex and even birth control than MTV does by promoting safer sex. If not more.

After all, condoms may occasionally fail(I refuse to believe that it's 20%), but abstaining fails considerably more often. JUst take a look at southern and western Africa. I could be mistaken, but I don't think MTV is very popular there. :p

In all my "experience" I have had one condom break. So 20% is a lie.

You are right with saying abstanance does not work. I read somewhere that pledge they were bragging about a few years ago has had a high failure rate.

HIV reduction happens with education. Not abstaining.

Hmmm the shrub has abstanance requirements for aids relief right? :rolleyes:
[NS]Commando3
06-03-2005, 00:19
I thought somebody might pick up on that one :D.

It wasn't funny.

Anyhow, I'm not trolling and whatever, I am sharing my viewpoint.
Arribastan
06-03-2005, 00:21
Commando3']It wasn't funny.

Anyhow, I'm not trolling and whatever, I am sharing my viewpoint.
on the contrary, it was funny.
Jerefferlets
06-03-2005, 00:21
At the end of the day, it's peoples' own choice tbh. We can give them information on contracption or abstinence and it's up to them whether they have sex or not. And at least they're showing respect for their bodies by using contraception. The failure rate is something like 1 or 2%, so the spread of AIDs cannot be blamed on contraception failing but on the use of no contraception whatever.
Potaria
06-03-2005, 00:21
It was funny as hell to me, in a cheap and sadistic way.

You're not sharing your viewpoint so much as giving fouled, misinterpreted information about a subject that requires education, not abstinence.
Silver-Wings
06-03-2005, 00:23
OK, I so wanted to make some points to the guy that started this arguement, but I fell asleep half way through reading his speech.

But I respect the fact that you have an opinion, and the fact that you had the guts to argue your case. So, respect to you for that. Unfortunately not a lot of us agree with ya, so what ya gonn do, eh?

Anyway, it's good to see people debating important topics as opposed to who'se better - Britney or Christine...jesus I hate charvers so much...

Long story.

Anyway, have fun debating

Until next time
[NS]Flashheart
06-03-2005, 00:25
Commando3']I ask you nationstates, can you tell me the one way to crush AIDS? I'll tell you. It's called abstinence. Not contraception, not sex education, but abstinence. Contraception fails because about 20% of the time it messes up, and sex education just endorses contraception. However with abstinance AIDS is nearly impossible to get. And soon it would be no more.

However, the secular liberal culture we live in tries to stop this. A perfect example is MTV. MTV says abstinance is "uncool" and promotes birth control instead. Of course they don't care that birth control prevents an innocent life, but thats not the point of this topic. Thanks to MTV and VH1 and movies like American Pie AIDS is spreading fast. People are dying, and innocent people have to suffer from it, all thanks to the sickening, corrupt elitist culture.

The teenage culture that corrupts them has a huge influence. MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other. And then these couples, who don't even know each other, have immoral sex and MTV says how cool it is. And in its music videos they have whores wear nearly no clothes. Imagine how much pressure this puts on the kids who make idols out of these immoral elitists.

And with evil movies like American Pie where immoral sex is shown as a goal and a good thing more kids come under pressure. And it doesn't help with SS nazi abortionists saying they'll murder their kids for them once they get pregnant so they can have immoral fornication all they want without worrying about pregnancy. The SS abortionists will just wipe out an entire generation! No wonder immoral sex has gone up.

In conclusion I point the finger of blame at the evil secular entertainment industry for the AIDS problem. This may sound crazy but please think about what I have said. Thank you.


i dont know how you like chicks across the pond but i prefer them moist,warm and unmarried
sorry to be vullgar
Defekter_engel
06-03-2005, 00:25
this person genuinely frightens me... commando3, are you by chance a "true christian"? If so, your "christian" views on things sicken me... The amounts of ignorance you show peg my Idiometer to max... which hasnt been done since Bush got re-elected (no offense to y'all bushies).


You probably think other religions like the Muslims, Jews, Wiccans (of which I am one), and any race other than white are evil.... not to mention homosexuals, bisexuals.

Your views on the world genuinely sicken me.

And i hope the admins ban you permanently from the forums.
Sdaeriji
06-03-2005, 00:26
Commando3']It wasn't funny.

Anyhow, I'm not trolling and whatever, I am sharing my viewpoint.

Back it up. Give us sources. Show a legitimate, respectable authority saying condoms have a 20% failure rate. Show a real connection between MTV and the spread of AIDS. Justify your comparison between abortion doctors and the SS. Offer more than just rhetoric and thinly veiled hatred, and maybe we'll consider you more than just a troll.
Potaria
06-03-2005, 00:27
this person genuinely frightens me... commando3, are you by chance a "true christian"? If so, your "christian" views on things sicken me... The amounts of ignorance you show peg my Idiometer to max... which hasnt been done since Bush got re-elected (no offense to y'all bushies).


You probably think other religions like the Muslims, Jews, Wiccans (of which I am one), and any race other than white are evil.... not to mention homosexuals, bisexuals.

Your views on the world genuinely sicken me.

And i hope the admins ban you permanently from the forums.


Hear, hear! This man/woman/transvestite (sorry, just being safe) deserves an honorary Postie Award!
Super-power
06-03-2005, 00:28
Commando3']Anyhow, I'm not trolling and whatever, I am sharing my viewpoint.
Research Godwin's Law - you fufilled it w/your SS Nazi abortionists statement
[NS]Flashheart
06-03-2005, 00:28
this person genuinely frightens me... commando3, are you by chance a "true christian"? If so, your "christian" views on things sicken me... The amounts of ignorance you show peg my Idiometer to max... which hasnt been done since Bush got re-elected (no offense to y'all bushies).


You probably think other religions like the Muslims, Jews, Wiccans (of which I am one), and any race other than white are evil.... not to mention homosexuals, bisexuals.

Your views on the world genuinely sicken me.

And i hope the admins ban you permanently from the forums.


i agree, had enough of narrow minded christians
wiccan..cool
Boonytopia
06-03-2005, 00:30
Hahahahahahahahah, I love to start the day off with a good joke. Thanks Commando3. :)
Aveous
06-03-2005, 00:31
Think here;
If it's not 20%, condems do break nonetheless. AIDS just need that one chance to happen, then it's over. It can also be spread through fluid transfusion. Not everyone uses condems anyway during intercourse. With abstinence, since you're not having intercourse, chances are extreamly diminished.

But abstinence won't work until the individual also practices self control. That's another virtue that people are losing, the ability to control oneself, even if it's one of man's strongest drives.

MTV probably isn't the only cause, but it surely doesn't help it. Glorifying it only throws gasoline on an open fire.
[NS]Commando3
06-03-2005, 00:32
Hahahahahahahahah, I love to start the day off with a good joke. Thanks Commando3. :)

It's no joke. Seriously, go watch MTV and take a close look. They are promoting contraception and fornication.

BTW, here's a fun fact: Ever since contraception was introduced, STDs have gone UP.
Atheistic Might
06-03-2005, 00:34
This reminds me of some very faulty arguments..."More people get skin cancer nowadays then they did 100 years ago. People drink more soda today than they did 100 years ago. Therefore, soda gives you skin cancer."

Fail to see the connection? Great, because I don't see it either. You can't just make wild-eyed assertions.
[NS]Flashheart
06-03-2005, 00:34
Think here;
If it's not 20%, condems do break nonetheless. AIDS just need that one chance to happen, then it's over. It can also be spread through fluid transfusion. Not everyone uses condems anyway during intercourse. With abstinence, since you're not having intercourse, chances are extreamly diminished.

But abstinence won't work until the individual also practices self control. That's another virtue that people are losing, the ability to control oneself, even if it's one of man's strongest drives.

MTV probably isn't the only cause, but it surely doesn't help it. Glorifying it only throws gasoline on an open fire.


aids....(arse injected death sentance) wont occur inless people shag each other or as you said fluid transfusion, trick is in convincing people not to have sex
Affenfelsen
06-03-2005, 00:37
The main (if not only ) reason for condom failures is lack of knowledge

Examples:

Many substances can destroy condoms, so you should think first before using some weird stuff..ehem

Often the wrong size gets bought, so the condom doesnt really fit well

A condom doesnt have unlimited power, if you like it rough, buy extra strong ones

etc etc....


Now the sad thing is, all these errors could be avoided with a little bit of education, but if nobody tells kids this stuff, hth should they know ?
:headbang:
Dakini
06-03-2005, 00:41
Think here;
If it's not 20%, condems do break nonetheless. AIDS just need that one chance to happen, then it's over. It can also be spread through fluid transfusion. Not everyone uses condems anyway during intercourse. With abstinence, since you're not having intercourse, chances are extreamly diminished.

But abstinence won't work until the individual also practices self control. That's another virtue that people are losing, the ability to control oneself, even if it's one of man's strongest drives.

MTV probably isn't the only cause, but it surely doesn't help it. Glorifying it only throws gasoline on an open fire.
Having monogomous sex with one AIDS-free partner will also reduce your odds of getting it to 0. What's your point?
Owweeee
06-03-2005, 00:45
So nice of Commando to point out a link between the entertainment industry and AIDS, so how come it is a major problem in Africa, where many people don't even have electricity, let alone a TV
:headbang:
Lunatic Goofballs
06-03-2005, 00:47
So nice of Commando to point out a link between the entertainment industry and AIDS, so how come it is a major problem in Africa, where many people don't even have electricity, let alone a TV
:headbang:

Dirt gets great reception. :)
Flyawayblue
06-03-2005, 00:47
aids....(arse injected death sentance)

this is disgusting!!!!!!!

the highest instence of AIDS ( Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) is in Africa, in hetrosexual couples...

how you can even post this makes me sick..

and as to the originator of this thread.. lol..
Ashmoria
06-03-2005, 00:47
the 20% figure comes from those who use condoms as their exclusive means of birth control

some miniscule percent break. then there are those who opt to not use them "just this once", those who put them on too late, those who take them off incorrectly, etc. one can imagine all sorts of ways that conception can take place with sloppy condom use

when it comes to aids, the biggest factor has to be "is my partner infected?"

if neither you nor your partner have hiv, there is 0% chance of getting it from each other. if one of you has the virus, then you have to be much more careful than the couple who merley wants to avoid pregnancy. there are long term sexually active couples where only one partner has the virus. they have to be extremely careful.

in any case, smart is more important than abstinent. those who have sex with lots of strangers are putting themselves at enormous risk. those who only have sex with one partner make the requirement of "only after marriage" meaningless.
Vaenination
06-03-2005, 00:49
WOW!! What an enlightening thread! While we're on the topic...

I have done some research myself. And it seems that, if you play a contact sport, your chance of getting an injury tends to increase while you are playing. This must be stopped, and we must tell our children NOT to play sports, as they may hurt themselves.

Also, we must tell them that while eating at McDonalds, there is a .46% chance that you may be consuming a chicken's head, or a cockroache's forearm.

And last but not least, we must also tell them that while posting on internet messageboards, we may come across people who have their heads shoved so far up their rectum, that they are completely ignorant to the fact that no matter what they advise kids, the kids will do what they want, when they want, how they want.
Flyawayblue
06-03-2005, 00:50
WOW!! What an enlightening thread! While we're on the topic...

I have done some research myself. And it seems that, if you play a contact sport, your chance of getting an injury tends to increase while you are playing. This must be stopped, and we must tell our children NOT to play sports, as they may hurt themselves.

Also, we must tell them that while eating at McDonalds, there is a .46% chance that you may be consuming a chicken's head, or a cockroache's forearm.

And last but not least, we must also tell them that while posting on internet messageboards, we may come across people who have their heads shoved so far up their rectum, that they are completely ignorant to the fact that no matter what they advise kids, the kids will do what they want, when they want, how they want.


they are 98% effective.. which means that if 50 couples use only condoms as their form of contraception in a year.. one couple will get pregnant
Rabek Jeris
06-03-2005, 00:51
Just a quick FYI... Condoms do fail. I was born because my dad had sex while wearing a condom. My parents were married, though...
Boonytopia
06-03-2005, 00:51
Commando3']It's no joke. Seriously, go watch MTV and take a close look. They are promoting contraception and fornication.

BTW, here's a fun fact: Ever since contraception was introduced, STDs have gone UP.

I specially liked the SS Nazi abortion bit, laughed so much my face started to hurt. You have a great sense of humour.
Akusei
06-03-2005, 00:54
I just finished reading a book by Dr. Laura in which she claims that we have sex so many times with so many people in shallow, meaningless relationships because our society no longer values things like committment and loyalty, instead pushing personal freedoms and "finding yourself".

something to think about

also, I'm suprised nobody pointed out:

The definiton of Genocide: The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

IF Planned Parenthood were run by Nazis (which it's not), yes, it would be systematic and planned extermination, but Planned Parenthood doesn't only give abortions to one racial, political, or ethnic group. Not sure if they operate overseas but other groups do. For Abortion to be Genocide, these "Nazis" would have to force people of a certain group to abort every child they ever conceive, and only people of that group. And that's not the case.


People like this are why Wal-Mart stopped selling birth control.
Bastard-Squad
06-03-2005, 00:57
Rape-o-riffic goat cheese. I dare say the ardvarks are forming some kind of resistance movement in an attempt to counter the Nazi ant-eaters. Heh. Clockwork teacup sadistic monkey bondage general. We salute you.
Akusei
06-03-2005, 00:58
Oh, and on the condom fail rate issue:

I did a little research (AKA: Google Search on Condom Fail Rate) and this turned up, you guys might enjoy it

"Did you know that you can use a condom and still get pregnant? A variety of studies have found that condoms have an "annual failure rate" of 10% to 36% when it comes to preventing pregnancy." <--the relevant tidbit if you don't want to look at this hilarious site

http://www.prolife.com/CONDOMS.html <---the hilarious site it came from
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 00:59
I am soooo tempted to create a new thread entitled "You help spread AIDS" or "I help spread AIDS" or something of the sort...
Cornelystan
06-03-2005, 01:00
For all people being strongly against abortion:
You should perhaps read "The Cider House Rules"
Might give a more balanced view - pro and con.

--------------------------
I agree that failing of condoms is also caused by a lack of sexual education on this topic.

But perhaps we all shouldn't judge "Commando3" for his point of view. He or she might have a difficult childhood or just a special background that made him think this.
A small town in the Bible-Belt where there is just the TV to some information about sex at all, since many important topics in biology lessons - from real "sexual education" to "evolutionists theory" weren't taught in school; all people are straight and nice and lawful and put their trust in god 'n guns.
Ejackistan
06-03-2005, 01:05
Commando3']

The teenage culture that corrupts them has a huge influence. MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other. And then these couples, who don't even know each other, have immoral sex and MTV says how cool it is. And in its music videos they have whores wear nearly no clothes. Imagine how much pressure this puts on the kids who make idols out of these immoral elitists.



No matter what, it is the choice of every teenager to have sex or not. MTV is one standard of "coolness", but not one everybody conforms to. It is mad to think that if the World was without people like Brittney Spears AIDS would go away. The quality of music might go up, and I'd be in favor of getting rid of MTV for that purpose, but MTV has nothing to do with HIV/AIDS.

You appear to be a christian, so I'm going to summarize my argument with something you'll recognize:



Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.



Even if MTV were spreading AIDS and causing abortions, it is not your place or mine to decide what is immoral for others or to condemn that which we do not condone. What happens among consenting adults, sexual or musical, is none of our business, all we can do is include it in our lives or exclude it.

Remember this, also. There was only one person without sin standing in Judgement of the adultress. And he chose not to cast any stones.
Akusei
06-03-2005, 01:10
But perhaps we all shouldn't judge "Commando3" for his point of view. He or she might have a difficult childhood or just a special background that made him think this.
A small town in the Bible-Belt where there is just the TV to some information about sex at all, since many important topics in biology lessons - from real "sexual education" to "evolutionists theory" weren't taught in school; all people are straight and nice and lawful and put their trust in god 'n guns.

I agree. But having a lack of education is NO excuse not to learn things now. The internet is at Commando's fingertips, full of both pro-life AND pro-choice websites.

Frankly, I'm pro-choice because I'd rather have been aborted than gone through the childhood I had, and I know many have it far worse. Pro-life sites often ask who will stand up for the fetus. But if the fetus is unwanted, unloved, it will have very real effects on the child as it grows up knowing it's hated rather than loved, that its a burden rather than a blessing. Is suicide at sixteen years better than death at -9 months?
Takuma
06-03-2005, 01:12
Commando3']I ask you nationstates, can you tell me the one way to crush AIDS? I'll tell you. It's called abstinence. Not contraception, not sex education, but abstinence. Contraception fails because about 20% of the time it messes up, and sex education just endorses contraception. However with abstinance AIDS is nearly impossible to get. And soon it would be no more.

However, the secular liberal culture we live in tries to stop this. A perfect example is MTV. MTV says abstinance is "uncool" and promotes birth control instead. Of course they don't care that birth control prevents an innocent life, but thats not the point of this topic. Thanks to MTV and VH1 and movies like American Pie AIDS is spreading fast. People are dying, and innocent people have to suffer from it, all thanks to the sickening, corrupt elitist culture.

The teenage culture that corrupts them has a huge influence. MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other. And then these couples, who don't even know each other, have immoral sex and MTV says how cool it is. And in its music videos they have whores wear nearly no clothes. Imagine how much pressure this puts on the kids who make idols out of these immoral elitists.

And with evil movies like American Pie where immoral sex is shown as a goal and a good thing more kids come under pressure. And it doesn't help with SS nazi abortionists saying they'll murder their kids for them once they get pregnant so they can have immoral fornication all they want without worrying about pregnancy. The SS abortionists will just wipe out an entire generation! No wonder immoral sex has gone up.

In conclusion I point the finger of blame at the evil secular entertainment industry for the AIDS problem. This may sound crazy but please think about what I have said. Thank you.

Take a hint: we all think your an idiot, stop trying.
[NS]Commando3
06-03-2005, 01:18
For all people being strongly against abortion:
You should perhaps read "The Cider House Rules"
Might give a more balanced view - pro and con.

--------------------------
I agree that failing of condoms is also caused by a lack of sexual education on this topic.

But perhaps we all shouldn't judge "Commando3" for his point of view. He or she might have a difficult childhood or just a special background that made him think this.
A small town in the Bible-Belt where there is just the TV to some information about sex at all, since many important topics in biology lessons - from real "sexual education" to "evolutionists theory" weren't taught in school; all people are straight and nice and lawful and put their trust in god 'n guns.

Actually I live in New England. You fail.
Potaria
06-03-2005, 01:19
Not much difference. New England has some raging anti-social rights groups.
HawthorneHeights
06-03-2005, 01:20
i didnt even know teenagers were having sex nowadays
Akusei
06-03-2005, 01:20
For all people being strongly against abortion:
You should perhaps read "The Cider House Rules"
Might give a more balanced view - pro and con.



Would it? Not according to Pro-life America

http://www.prolife.com/CiderHouseRules.html
Elanos
06-03-2005, 01:20
If you are alive now, and enjoying life, then it's stupid to say you would rather have been aborted. I've got bipolar disorder and it makes life really hard to live well, but I'm still glad that I am alive, and glad that I was given a chance. My girlfriend also had a pretty rough childhood, and she is also very pro-life.

As to abstinence education, I am a firm believer in the ABC program.
1. Abstinence
2. Be faithful to one partner.
3. Condom use. (And other contraceptions.)

It's always a good idea to have a backup plan.

The problem from sin/guilt/religion is when you get people saying that it's more of a sin if it's planned. So you better not be prepared. That is a load of shit.

Plenty of people DO wait until they are married to have sex. I am not one of them, but I do know someone who did, and... she's very religious, surprised?

I have to agree a little that pop culture is a major reason for the spread of std's and the increase in unwanted pregnancy, more as a result of advertising than of MTV. The problem isn't people having more knowledge about and access to contraception, it's the distorted view on sexuality. There are a lot of commercials that objectify people of either gender as sex objects. If you care about someone, you are going to use contraception when you have sex with them if you are not ready to have a child with them. Either that, or you will wait on having sex altogether. It's just ridiculous...

And sadly... I have to say, about parents who tell their children that they are a result of a condom breaking, etc... That's pretty fucked up. I think that in general that's more of a scare tactic than actual truth.
Akusei
06-03-2005, 01:21
i didnt even know teenagers were having sex nowadays

..you have GOT to be kidding.

Yes, we do.

Very frequently.

With many people.

..sometimes many at once.

(I personally am a virgin but I speak of my peers in general)
CthulhuFhtagn
06-03-2005, 01:21
Would it? Not according to Pro-life America

http://www.prolife.com/CiderHouseRules.html
What? The site that was shown a few posts back to be spouting off total bullshit?
Harmino
06-03-2005, 01:22
Commando3']I ask you nationstates, can you tell me the one way to crush AIDS? I'll tell you. It's called abstinence. Not contraception, not sex education, but abstinence. Contraception fails because about 20% of the time it messes up, and sex education just endorses contraception. However with abstinance AIDS is nearly impossible to get. And soon it would be no more.

However, the secular liberal culture we live in tries to stop this. A perfect example is MTV. MTV says abstinance is "uncool" and promotes birth control instead. Of course they don't care that birth control prevents an innocent life, but thats not the point of this topic. Thanks to MTV and VH1 and movies like American Pie AIDS is spreading fast. People are dying, and innocent people have to suffer from it, all thanks to the sickening, corrupt elitist culture.

The teenage culture that corrupts them has a huge influence. MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other. And then these couples, who don't even know each other, have immoral sex and MTV says how cool it is. And in its music videos they have whores wear nearly no clothes. Imagine how much pressure this puts on the kids who make idols out of these immoral elitists.

And with evil movies like American Pie where immoral sex is shown as a goal and a good thing more kids come under pressure. And it doesn't help with SS nazi abortionists saying they'll murder their kids for them once they get pregnant so they can have immoral fornication all they want without worrying about pregnancy. The SS abortionists will just wipe out an entire generation! No wonder immoral sex has gone up.

In conclusion I point the finger of blame at the evil secular entertainment industry for the AIDS problem. This may sound crazy but please think about what I have said. Thank you.

People don't have sex because someone else tells them to. It's a major rush, a fun experiance and makes you feel closer to the other person then ever before, and better then you've ever felt, and sometimes skateboarding just can't do that for you.
Potaria
06-03-2005, 01:24
Making sausage can do that for you.

*squeezes a large Kielbasa*

*perverted laugh*

Sausage...
CthulhuFhtagn
06-03-2005, 01:24
Yes, we do.
True.

Very frequently.
Not really. The people who brag about it generally lie.

With many people.
Nope.

..sometimes many at once.
I seem to be missing the orgies. Where the hell are they?

(I personally am a virgin but I speak of my peers in general)
Unless your peers are porn stars, you don't.
[NS]Commando3
06-03-2005, 01:25
People don't have sex because someone else tells them to. It's a major rush, a fun experiance and makes you feel closer to the other person then ever before, and better then you've ever felt, and sometimes skateboarding just can't do that for you.

Save it for a true marriage.
CthulhuFhtagn
06-03-2005, 01:25
Making sausage can do that for you.

*squeezes a large Kielbasa*

*perverted laugh*

Sausage...
Now with cream filling!
Akusei
06-03-2005, 01:26
Yes, that site. It's hilarious and full of bullshit but what group isn't these days?



And Elanos: Trust me, I would rather have been aborted. I won't bitch too much here but I've had numerous attempts to take my life becasue of many reasons, the main one of which is that my mother really wasn't ready for kids when she had me. She's never been nuturing at all, she uses me as her scapegoat, she gets angry when I _DARE_ to need anything from her, I'm the absolute worst kid she could have had and everything's my fault, including the fact that she has to work long hours at jobs she HATES to support me and my little brother. We have huge screaming fights all the time. It really damages a kid's psyche. I'm just thankful she doesn't physically abuse me like some of my friends' parents do to them.
CthulhuFhtagn
06-03-2005, 01:27
Commando3']Save it for a true marriage.
You do realize that the massive amount of stress resulting from a wedding will make it almost impossible for newlyweds to satisfy themselves sexually? And that this could well lead to a divorce if they didn't have the previous experiences to show them that the event on their wedding night was simply a fluke?
Dakini
06-03-2005, 01:29
Commando3']Save it for a true marriage.
no.
[NS]Commando3
06-03-2005, 01:31
Yes, that site. It's hilarious and full of bullshit but what group isn't these days?



And Elanos: Trust me, I would rather have been aborted. I won't bitch too much here but I've had numerous attempts to take my life becasue of many reasons, the main one of which is that my mother really wasn't ready for kids when she had me. She's never been nuturing at all, she uses me as her scapegoat, she gets angry when I _DARE_ to need anything from her, I'm the absolute worst kid she could have had and everything's my fault, including the fact that she has to work long hours at jobs she HATES to support me and my little brother. We have huge screaming fights all the time. It really damages a kid's psyche. I'm just thankful she doesn't physically abuse me like some of my friends' parents do to them.

I'm sorry to hear that I could pray for you if you like.
Potaria
06-03-2005, 01:31
no.


That's the spirit.
Elanos
06-03-2005, 01:31
Akusei, I realise it might be tender, so I won't say anything more than this:
Life gets better eventually.
CthulhuFhtagn
06-03-2005, 01:32
Commando3']I'm sorry to hear that I could pray for you if you like.
"One pair of hands working makes more of a difference than one thousand clasped in prayer."
Mirkai
06-03-2005, 01:36
Commando3']MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other.

Woah, cool, there's a gay dating show? What time is it on and what's it called?
Krackonis
06-03-2005, 01:37
Commando3']Planned Parenthood was founded by a Nazi on Nazi ideals. The SS abortionists run a genocide prgram that has killed 45,000,000 babies in the us alone. They are evil.

Yes, abortion sucks. But you are going to need more education and less blasting to convince me that a small multi-celled thing with no brain is a human. Until it is self aware, able to move on its own (in the womb) then its just a fetus. It's not a child. Hasn't "I think therefore I am" sunk in yet? Its only been a few hundred years since we figured this stuff out.

In regard to its Nazi's ties, sure, I can see it. Eugenics was one of Hilter prized playthings. Darwin would cringe... But many many other things are the spawn from Nazi's works. The Space Program, for starters... No one is banning that. Hell, most American Corporations were directly tied to the Nazi's and even Prescott Bush was a Nazi Supporter. He made all his money off the deaths of Americans. And his grandson does the same...

So, before you attack poor young people who are trying to be responsible and not bring up a child in a totalitarian empire like the United States, who face a real bright future as a wage slave to some giant corporation perhaps you should fix the real problems in your country, like, I dunno, making a democracy out of it.
CSW
06-03-2005, 01:37
*snipped for relevance*
Hmm, well just looking at a sample of my friends, quite of few of them engage in actions that carry a risk of being infected with an STD, but not so much promiscuity, besides a few rumors from the deep dark underbelly of my school.
Akusei
06-03-2005, 01:38
Commando3']I'm sorry to hear that I could pray for you if you like.

If you truely feel that that is the solution, that to pray for the kids already scarred by bad parenting is the solution to the problem of bad parenting... you go right ahead.

Me, I'll stick to defending the rights of unwanted babies not to suffer through life, promoting ways to NOT get pregnant if you don't want it, and promoting therapy and good parenting skills.
Glinde Nessroe
06-03-2005, 01:41
Commando3']I ask you nationstates, can you tell me the one way to crush AIDS? I'll tell you. It's called abstinence. Not contraception, not sex education, but abstinence. Contraception fails because about 20% of the time it messes up, and sex education just endorses contraception. However with abstinance AIDS is nearly impossible to get. And soon it would be no more.

However, the secular liberal culture we live in tries to stop this. A perfect example is MTV. MTV says abstinance is "uncool" and promotes birth control instead. Of course they don't care that birth control prevents an innocent life, but thats not the point of this topic. Thanks to MTV and VH1 and movies like American Pie AIDS is spreading fast. People are dying, and innocent people have to suffer from it, all thanks to the sickening, corrupt elitist culture.

The teenage culture that corrupts them has a huge influence. MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other. And then these couples, who don't even know each other, have immoral sex and MTV says how cool it is. And in its music videos they have whores wear nearly no clothes. Imagine how much pressure this puts on the kids who make idols out of these immoral elitists.

And with evil movies like American Pie where immoral sex is shown as a goal and a good thing more kids come under pressure. And it doesn't help with SS nazi abortionists saying they'll murder their kids for them once they get pregnant so they can have immoral fornication all they want without worrying about pregnancy. The SS abortionists will just wipe out an entire generation! No wonder immoral sex has gone up.

In conclusion I point the finger of blame at the evil secular entertainment industry for the AIDS problem. This may sound crazy but please think about what I have said. Thank you.

AHHH ha ha ha. I hope you never masturbate cause that would be a horrid waste of life! Perhaps getting an erection is immoral too. WATCH OUT EVERYONE GOD IS COMING!!!
Krackonis
06-03-2005, 01:42
Commando3']Save it for a true marriage.


Yeah, and "True" Marriage means lesed by god and blah blah Which has over a %50 chance of Divorce. Right, lets just right in!
Eichen
06-03-2005, 01:42
Why does everyone feed this dipshit?

For this kind of cheese, [Goin'}Commando3 gets 6 pages of discussion?

No wonder he keeps coming back from the dead!
Krackonis
06-03-2005, 01:44
Commando3']I'm sorry to hear that I could pray for you if you like.

Praying to invisible men and thinking people should not have sex... What planet are you from, because I am sure that on some planet your views are very impressive. Your shortfall here is... This is earth.
Akusei
06-03-2005, 01:47
Praying to invisible men and thinking people should not have sex... What planet are you from, because I am sure that on some planet your views are very impressive. Your shortfall here is... This is earth.

Hey now, wait a minute. You can't prove the nonexistance of any given deity. While I approve of bashing fanatical Christians, I don't approve of bashing religion in general. People need to belive in SOMETHING, be it a deity, science, themselves, or the general goodness of mankind (in which case they're delusional as well). And that has nothing to do with AIDS, MTV, Abortion, or the common denominator, Sex :fluffle:
Elanos
06-03-2005, 01:48
I think therefore I am was the idiotic creation of a philosopher. Philosophers just make shit up. It's just as valid to say I will think, therefore I am, or I am the possibility of a human, therefore I am human. So, please, do not try to use Descartes as an excuse for abortion.

Aside from that, I don't care who started this discussion or why, it's important to discuss these issues.
Elanos
06-03-2005, 01:49
People don't need to believe in SOMETHING. I am quite happy believing that there is no higher power.
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 01:50
I think therefore I am was the idiotic creation of a philosopher. Philosophers just make shit up. It's just as valid to say I will think, therefore I am, or I am the possibility of a human, therefore I am human.
Wait, you're saying "Cogito ergo sum" is wrong?
It's a bit difficult to think when you don't exist...
Atheistic Might
06-03-2005, 01:53
So...you argue that you don't exist? If you don't exist, why am I typing this? I'm fairly certain that I exist...
Preebles
06-03-2005, 01:55
OMFG. I had to do a double take when I saw the thread title. Then when I saw it was for real I laughed.
Silver-Wings
06-03-2005, 01:55
Commando3...

MTV...you are blaiming MTV as part of spreading AIDS? Lame...extremely lame.

The fact is Commando3, that still does not explain why there is such a huge probleme with AIDS in Africa, and to be honest, your argument regarding the number of STD going up:

Commando3']It's no joke. Seriously, go watch MTV and take a close look. They are promoting contraception and fornication.

BTW, here's a fun fact: Ever since contraception was introduced, STDs have gone UP.

There may be a correlation between the introdcution of contraception and the number of STD - HOWEVER, a correletion merely shows the possibility of a relationship. When one goes up, the other seems to - this does not mean A caused B!

If you had any intellegence you would know that. Of course you know - you're just adding the interpratation that best suits your arguement.

Here's a fact. As I grow taller, so does my brother. It's a correlation - but A does not cause B.

Aint the laws of mathematics a bitch?
Elanos
06-03-2005, 01:57
Cogito ergo sum.
I think therefore I am
Sure, you can't think if you don't exist, but the converse is not true.
I am therefore I think doesn't make sense.
Rocks exist, but don't think (as far as we know)

Explaining this though, I find myself wondering why it was first brought up in the discussion. Because a fetus doesn't think, it doesn't exist? Or what?

Back to the point though, I don't agree with cogito ergo sum. To exist, one does not have to be a thinking thing. Descartes was trying to get to the core of what it meant to exist, and to him, it was to be a thinking thing.

I dunno, maybe it's just that I have a great disdain for philosophy when people could be spending their time on real science.
Akusei
06-03-2005, 01:58
People don't need to believe in SOMETHING. I am quite happy believing that there is no higher power.

Like I said, the something doesn't have to be a higher power. You belive a set of beliefs, and that is what you belive.
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 01:59
Cogito ergo sum.
I think therefore I am
Sure, you can't think if you don't exist, but the converse is not true.
I am therefore I think doesn't make sense.
Rocks exist, but don't think (as far as we know)

Explaining this though, I find myself wondering why it was first brought up in the discussion. Because a fetus doesn't think, it doesn't exist? Or what?

Back to the point though, I don't agree with cogito ergo sum. To exist, one does not have to be a thinking thing. Descartes was trying to get to the core of what it meant to exist, and to him, it was to be a thinking thing.

I dunno, maybe it's just that I have a great disdain for philosophy when people could be spending their time on real science.
The way I interpret it is simply as a proof that one does exist. Not as trying to find a core to existance, but just as a way to attempt to verify one's own existance.

That would explain why we differ on it here, I think.
Arragoth
06-03-2005, 02:00
Commando does go a little extreme, but he does bring up a good point. MTV tries to get involved in too many things. Choose or Lose, which later became Vote or Die I believe, was one of the stupidest things ever. Do you really want those who use MTV as their source of news to vote? I sure don't.

As for the American Pie reference, that is political correctness gone way too far. It is a damn comedy, and if you can't understand that, you probably shouldn't be watching movies.
Pongoar
06-03-2005, 02:47
A fetus is a parasite, not a human. If I had one in me, I would get it out immedietlly by any means nesccary. It would also be really creepy, seeing as I'm a dude.
Holy Sheep
06-03-2005, 03:37
Ok, once again - the only people getting abortions are generally, Pro-Choice. That means that, guess what? There will be less Pro-Choicers in the future. Then Abortions will be illegal! But then, without the abortions, Pro-Choice will soon over-power the Anti-Choice poeple, causing it to loop.

I am going to go spread AIDS by watching MTV, help little babies die now before they can feel pain rather than at 16 by their own hand by not bombing Abortion Clinics, and let a kitten die by wanking off.

That is IRONY. Its a little like sarcasm.
Wong Cock
06-03-2005, 04:57
Abstinence also helps to solve other problems:
- if killers weren't born, they couldn't kill, right?
- the same goes for Enron executives, terrorists, etc.

We should make sex illegal.
New Genoa
06-03-2005, 05:43
Commando does go a little extreme, but he does bring up a good point. MTV tries to get involved in too many things. Choose or Lose, which later became Vote or Die I believe, was one of the stupidest things ever. Do you really want those who use MTV as their source of news to vote? I sure don't.

As for the American Pie reference, that is political correctness gone way too far. It is a damn comedy, and if you can't understand that, you probably shouldn't be watching movies.

*puts gun to head* Vote or die, motherfucka! vote or die! /southpark
New Genoa
06-03-2005, 05:44
Abstinence also helps to solve other problems:
- if killers weren't born, they couldn't kill, right?
- the same goes for Enron executives, terrorists, etc.

We should make sex illegal.

Artsem.
Arragoth
06-03-2005, 05:49
*puts gun to head* Vote or die, motherfucka! vote or die! /southpark
I loved the scene where they kill the PETA people, and the goat starts eating their brains. Heh heh, silly PETA.
Bitchkitten
06-03-2005, 06:12
Woah, cool, there's a gay dating show? What time is it on and what's it called?

I don't watch much MTV, but Boy Meets Boy plays on Bravo.
North American
06-03-2005, 06:37
All in favor of cracking up at this topic, please raise your hands.

*raises hand*
*rasies hand*
Does anyone else want to Strangle this guy?
Jeruselem
06-03-2005, 07:16
All I can say is

IGNORANCE SPREADS AIDS
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 07:18
All I can say it

IGNORANCE SPREADS AIDS
Perhaps sometimes ignorance spreads peanut butter?
Dakini
06-03-2005, 07:22
Wait, you're saying "Cogito ergo sum" is wrong?
It's a bit difficult to think when you don't exist...
But as Sartre said: Existence preceeds essence.
Jeruselem
06-03-2005, 07:24
Perhaps sometimes ignorance spreads peanut butter?

The places were AIDS spreads the quickest is where local customs make talking about sex taboo and hence AIDS is not topic to be discussed. If you're not aware of what AIDS is or don't want to know, then you are more likely to act irresponsibly.

If you are brain-washed into thinking abstinence is the solution and don't tell the people the reality, then they are less likely to take precautions required because they don't know (or want to).
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 07:25
The places were AIDS spreads the quickest is where local customs make talking about sex taboo and hence AIDS is not topic to be discussed. If you're not aware of what AIDS is or don't want to know, then you are more likely to act irresponsibly.

If you are brain-washed into thinking abstinence is the solution and don't tell the people the reality, then they are less likely to take precautions required because they don't know (or want to).
Whoa...
What does all that have to do with my random non-sequitur?
:confused:
Jeruselem
06-03-2005, 07:32
Whoa...
What does all that have to do with my random non-sequitur?
:confused:

Sorry, I don't hold back! ;)
Andaluciae
06-03-2005, 07:39
Well, the heartless and cruel method would be to kill everyone who has it...
Potaria
06-03-2005, 07:46
China would do it.
Hakartopia
06-03-2005, 08:17
Woah, cool, there's a gay dating show? What time is it on and what's it called?

No, sodomites are those who are inhospitable and cruel to the less fortunate.
Makes you wonder why they get a dating show.
Fugomizu
06-03-2005, 08:55
When it comes to issues like sexuality and the morals of it, i look not to religion but something that predates religion, natural human nature. In nature, homesexuality occurs. There is no such thing as straight and gay in the rest of the animal kingdom (of which we are a part) just natural responses.

When it comes to the media (or devil secular limb of aidsy doom as some would call it), yes i think its overzealous in its selling of sex. But this is only in response to the overzealous repression that was previously the norm...bottom line is this, moderation is the key. The answer isnt in oversexing the public or even in depriving them of it. Both lead to bad things. The answer lies in letting nature take its course, shes taken care of things better than any of us can, so lets get back into step with her?
Fugomizu
06-03-2005, 09:00
ooh ooh...and as for the how to stop aids question...its a bit cruel but ...MASS QUARANTINE!!!!


makes sense dont it...in any population when there is a sub group that puts it at risk, they eject it...so why not them?
Cyrian space
06-03-2005, 09:52
No, sodomites are those who are inhospitable and cruel to the less fortunate.
Makes you wonder why they get a dating show.
Perchance you could tell us how gay people are "cruel to the less fortunate"?
Or are you just being an intolerant dick?
Neo-Anarchists
06-03-2005, 09:57
Perchance you could tell us how gay people are "cruel to the less fortunate"?
Or are you just being an intolerant dick?
S/he was saying that "sodomite" does not mean a gay person, it means one who is inhospitable and cruel.

EDIT:
Here is the context that was missing:
Commando3]MTV shows all sorts of dating shows, even shows where filthy sodomites date each other.
Menkare
06-03-2005, 10:19
If God has given people free choice, then you can't very well remove all of the options available. Doing so completely removes what the god you serve has given mankind, thereby robbing god of his power...which contradicts the assertion that God is all-powerful. Also, by your assertion that you know what is appropriate in removing choice from mankind, you imply that God is wrong.

So, tell me, grasshopper. Who is in the right, you or God?
Davo_301
06-03-2005, 11:02
No, sodomites are those who are inhospitable and cruel to the less fortunate.
Makes you wonder why they get a dating show.


*SITCK HAND UP*

please sir can i have more?

this person genuinely frightens me... commando3, are you by chance a "true christian"? If so, your "christian" views on things sicken me... The amounts of ignorance you show peg my Idiometer to max... which hasnt been done since Bush got re-elected (no offense to y'all bushies).

Mine blew up when bush got re-elected.

now i have to add 3 people to my malet of silence list.

*hits [NS]Commando3 with my malet of silence*
<<<<<<<<<<<POW>>>>>>>>>>> <(X_X)'>
Nation of Fortune
06-03-2005, 11:09
why did you come back? can't you see that you are severly unpopular and nobody likes your constant harrasing us about religion or whatever it is that seems to have crawled up your ass this time.
Davo_301
06-03-2005, 11:18
why did you come back? can't you see that you are severly unpopular and nobody likes your constant harrasing us about religion or whatever it is that seems to have crawled up your ass this time.


are you talking to me???? :( :( :(
Holy panooly
06-03-2005, 11:35
great thread great posters i love it :)
Poladsia
06-03-2005, 11:36
Vote or Die? ... Do you really want those who use MTV as their source of news to vote? I sure don't.

What? You want them to survive? Haven't seen the show but it sounds like perfectly natural evolution to me...
Werel
06-03-2005, 11:51
Well as some one else said ignorance is much more likely to spread aids. Even people to pledge abstinace end up with just as many STDs a few years later. (From this (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/mg18524891.300) new scientist article (scroll down, its near the bottom))
And as to wiping out a generation now come on, the world population is exploding, (this (http://www.fi.edu/guide/hughes/images/pop-1a.jpg) is the first graph that came up on google) so really I hardly think anyone can talk about wiping out a generation.
Nation of Fortune
06-03-2005, 19:17
are you talking to me???? :( :( :(
no, commando2 or whatever calls himself now
Hakartopia
06-03-2005, 20:17
Perchance you could tell us how gay people are "cruel to the less fortunate"?
Or are you just being an intolerant dick?

I do so hope English is not your first language.
Super-power
06-03-2005, 22:34
What? You want them to survive?
"You have no chance to survive. Make your time! Ha ha ha ha"
-Cats :D
Anarchic Conceptions
06-03-2005, 22:36
You've fufilled Godwin's Law - I win :D

That's nothing special. He's managed to fulfil Godwin's war in the Title before. ;)