[NS]Commando3
05-03-2005, 00:29
You are a Calvinist right? You believe in "the elect" and such? Well guess what there is no such thing as "the elect" in the Bible! If there was an elect then why does the Lord God have a day of Judgement?
And you said Calvinism was instituted by Christ? Wrong! Calvinism didn't come until 1500+ years after Christ, and it was instituted by John Calvin, a mortal mah, not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Jesus did institute was the Catholic Church (which you called evil and the doctrine of demons), as we can see in Matt. 16, 18-19:
And I say also unto Thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.
Christ gives Pope St. Peter the Rock numerous powers. However I can't find him establishing Calvinism anywhere. I can also find evidence that the Bible supports Catholic teachings such as purgatory, necessity of good works, ect.
Good Works-
James 2, 22-26: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect? etc.... so faith without works is dead also.
I Cor. 13, 1-3: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels . . and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains . . . and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing
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Matt. 7-21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Purgatory
Matt. 12-32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, NEITHER IN THE WORLD TO COME. (Some sins can therefore be forgiven after death.)
I Cor. 3, 13 and 15: Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 15. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, YET SO AS BY FIRE.
2 Machabees, 12-46: (This is one of the Old Testament books omitted from the Protestant Bible). It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.COMMENT: As nothing defiled can enter Heaven (Rev. 21-27), there must necessarily exist a state of cleansing or purgation usually called "purgatory."
PICTURES AND STATUES
The Bible teaches that God approves the use and veneration of sacred pictures and images to stimulate religious fervor.
Exod. 25-18: And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Numbers 21, 8-9: And the Lord said unto Moses. Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole, and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
John 3, 14: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up.
I Kings 6-29: And he carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and without. (Also see verses 32 and 35).COMMENT: Hence men are not forbidden "to make to thyself a graven image," except when this is to be set up and adored as a god.
Feel free to come here and show me where Jesus establishes Calvinism and what scripture supports it. Until then, I can find my Catholic faiths Biblical justification and prove it is not "Doctrine of Demons." If anything your Calvinist views seem to be the flawed heretical ones, not mine.
And you said Calvinism was instituted by Christ? Wrong! Calvinism didn't come until 1500+ years after Christ, and it was instituted by John Calvin, a mortal mah, not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Jesus did institute was the Catholic Church (which you called evil and the doctrine of demons), as we can see in Matt. 16, 18-19:
And I say also unto Thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.
Christ gives Pope St. Peter the Rock numerous powers. However I can't find him establishing Calvinism anywhere. I can also find evidence that the Bible supports Catholic teachings such as purgatory, necessity of good works, ect.
Good Works-
James 2, 22-26: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect? etc.... so faith without works is dead also.
I Cor. 13, 1-3: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels . . and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains . . . and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing
.
Matt. 7-21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Purgatory
Matt. 12-32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, NEITHER IN THE WORLD TO COME. (Some sins can therefore be forgiven after death.)
I Cor. 3, 13 and 15: Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 15. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, YET SO AS BY FIRE.
2 Machabees, 12-46: (This is one of the Old Testament books omitted from the Protestant Bible). It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.COMMENT: As nothing defiled can enter Heaven (Rev. 21-27), there must necessarily exist a state of cleansing or purgation usually called "purgatory."
PICTURES AND STATUES
The Bible teaches that God approves the use and veneration of sacred pictures and images to stimulate religious fervor.
Exod. 25-18: And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Numbers 21, 8-9: And the Lord said unto Moses. Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole, and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
John 3, 14: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up.
I Kings 6-29: And he carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and without. (Also see verses 32 and 35).COMMENT: Hence men are not forbidden "to make to thyself a graven image," except when this is to be set up and adored as a god.
Feel free to come here and show me where Jesus establishes Calvinism and what scripture supports it. Until then, I can find my Catholic faiths Biblical justification and prove it is not "Doctrine of Demons." If anything your Calvinist views seem to be the flawed heretical ones, not mine.