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Grammar and Spelling Nazis

Lemuriania
04-03-2005, 20:09
In light of no real way to start of this rant, let me just start by asking a simple question:

Why even bother with the syntax of English?

From what I gather, people on this message board are real sticklers for English. I can imagine them sitting in a library somewhere pointing out the fact I spelled "library" wrong, even though the understood the word and didn't confuse it with simular words like liberty or liberal. Is that how you get your kicks? Do you feel better belitting people's English?

One would counter that correct spelling and grammar is a sign of intellect. As we majority of use know, this isn't true. While I don't have the sources to back me up (I don't nessisarily have the time to find them), most physchologists agree on that there are categories of intelligence. While I admire someone because they can correct state that "their, there and they're are three different things", this does not change mean that orginal person whom made the mistake isn't intelligent on some level.

Also, the very foundation OF English is changing, nearly all the time. Obviously, no one on this board is going to respond this in Shakespearian English or even 19th century English (Dare I say anyone at all?). Scruppling over a few misconjointed words isn't going to stop the river of time.

I would go, but I have a small grade headache. Tell me what you think. Why do you or other people bother with being fussy over mine or anyone elses English?
Hakartopia
04-03-2005, 20:11
Everyone knows that the best way to make your point is to call others nazi's.
Legless Pirates
04-03-2005, 20:11
Cookie for the first nazi to find a grammatical/spelling error in the original post
Oksana
04-03-2005, 20:13
Damn straight. It's the internet. You English doesn't need to be right up to standard. As long as it's understandable, I'm fine. Besides, in person-to-person conversations, you can't take back what you said. Even if you mispronounce a word. I don't think the same attitude applies to talking online as it does in person or typing posts as it does a formal letter.
Pure Metal
04-03-2005, 20:13
its not that grammar is a bad thing (nor are people correcting spelling/grammar either - i just ignore them), its just that getting things right (like capital letters etc) is so much extra effort.
Katganistan
04-03-2005, 20:16
I abstain. It's too much like work.

I don't doubt the original poster is intelligent; the structure of his/her essay is well thought out, as is his/her argument. However, it rather spoils the effect of scolding the 'spelling and grammar nazis' when there are errors one could easily avoid with the use of a dictionary, as well as created words, in the same well-written argument.
Occidio Multus
04-03-2005, 20:38
hmmmm. while i am a pretty informed speller, and have grammar down as well one can without being obsessive, some posters on NS have derided me for my lack of capitalization, and leaving out apostrophes. thats just plain ridiculous. so, i can see your point.
Lacadaemon II
04-03-2005, 20:42
I abstain. It's too much like work.

I don't doubt the original poster is intelligent; the structure of his/her essay is well thought out, as is his/her argument. However, it rather spoils the effect of scolding the 'spelling and grammar nazis' when there are errors one could easily avoid with the use of a dictionary, as well as created words, in the same well-written argument.

I like scruppling and I am going to use it from now on. English is fluid you know.

Edit: Did anyone see that episode of Blackadder where he drives Dr. Johnson into a rage by making up plausible sounding words?
UpwardThrust
04-03-2005, 20:43
Cookie for the first nazi to find a grammatical/spelling error in the original post
I am not going to be mean but I counted 8 spelling alone, can I still get my cookie?

Anyways I am a horrible speller myself … in fact I can barley spell, spell

But guess what most of the time (providing I am on a computer) I take the time to type it up in word just so I can figure out my spelling errors before looking like an idiot in front of everyone. I know my limitations … I am good at grammar bad at spelling … so I work to overcome my shortcomings
Sinuhue
04-03-2005, 20:43
I read a lot. Way too much in fact. I'm very used to the written word, and despite the fact that this is a non-formal setting, I'm still taken aback when certain grammatical conventions aren't followed. It disrupts the flow of things and causes ME a headache when I have to reread and translate in order to figure out what someone is trying to say. Words don't just represent your thoughts...they help mould them. YOU might understand what you are saying, but your readers may not. I find that people with MAJOR (forget the little stuff) grammatical errors aren't very effective in getting their ideas across and tend to have to repeat themselves or explain what they meant. Isn't that more work?

That being said...I will go for the throat and tear apart someone's grammar and spelling if they themselves do it to someone else for no apparent reason other than 'questioning' that person's intelligence. But I'm evil like that. And yes, you CAN start sentences with words like but, and, or and so on. I'll let you:)
New Sancrosanctia
04-03-2005, 20:43
ok, before you all kill me (i tend to agree with you) this is just for a cookie from LP.

As we majority of use know, this isn't true. While I don't have the sources to back me up (I don't nessisarily have the time to find them), most physchologists agree on that there are categories of intelligence.

use should be us. and the "on" should not exist. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Occidio Multus
04-03-2005, 20:44
hmmmm. while i am a pretty informed speller, and have grammar down as well one can without being obsessive, some posters on NS have derided me for my lack of capitalization, and leaving out apostrophes. thats just plain ridiculous. so, i can see your point.
UpwardThrust
04-03-2005, 20:46
I read a lot. Way too much in fact. I'm very used to the written word, and despite the fact that this is a non-formal setting, I'm still taken aback when certain grammatical conventions aren't followed. It disrupts the flow of things and causes ME a headache when I have to reread and translate in order to figure out what someone is trying to say. Words don't just represent your thoughts...they help mould them. YOU might understand what you are saying, but your readers may not. I find that people with MAJOR (forget the little stuff) grammatical errors aren't very effective in getting their ideas across and tend to have to repeat themselves or explain what they meant. Isn't that more work?

That being said...I will go for the throat and tear apart someone's grammar and spelling if they themselves do it to someone else for no apparent reason other than 'questioning' that person's intelligence. But I'm evil like that. And yes, you CAN start sentences with words like but, and, or and so on. I'll let you:)



(psst that first period should probably be a comma with a small w for way :) fragmenting sentience’s is fun and all … LOL sorry had to point it out in the teacher ;) could not help myself.
Keruvalia
04-03-2005, 20:46
Heh .... this is for the grammar nazis:

http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html

*snicker*
Alien Born
04-03-2005, 20:47
Why should someone care if they can write English to a reasonable standard here?
This is going to take a constructed argument.

Point 1. The nature of NS General
This is a debate forum, not just a social chat forum (although recently this seems to be less the case). What this implies is that people wish to have their ideas and points considered and discussed by others. There are rules concerning the nature of posts and this applies to both the content and the presentation.

Point 2. The limitations of Internet forums.
What can you do in an internet forum. One thing and one thing only. You can write. Yes you can illustrate your points with links to images, but the basic mode of communication in an internet forum is writing.

Point 3. Respect and Image.
Think about the people you respect in real life. Unless they are long standing friends, people that with whom you have had a long association, they are restricted to people whose image inspires confidence. I can not describe the parameters of this image as it varies from person to person, however it is generaly stereotypical of the field in question. You are not going to respect the opinion of a bum on the street concerning investment options. Likewise you probably will not respect the opinion of a stockbroker concerning the best soup kitchen in town. OK. Image generates respect for opinions relevant to that image.

Point 4. Text creates images of the author.
I am sure that you have a different image of say Neo_anarchists to that that you have of FairyTInkArisen. Why is this. Because their writing styles are different, the way they present themselves textually is different. Now compare both of them to somebody, let us call this person UGH, that posts with consistently incomprehensible grammar and rampant speling errors. Which are you more inclined to give value to the opinion of. FairyTInkArisen or UGH.

Conclusion.
This is a political forum for debate, where weight is given to opinions. Opinions are valued according to the image you have of the opiner. In a text medium the creator of image is the grammar, spelling and usage of the text itself. Good English means more weight given to the opinion. Poor English means less weight upto a limit of being completely ignored.

Exclusion clause.
Be tolerant however of the mistakes of those who do not have English as a first language. Otherwise write in their language.
Legless Pirates
04-03-2005, 20:47
ok, before you all kill me (i tend to agree with you) this is just for a cookie from LP.



use should be us. and the "on" should not exist. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Sorry UT, but you had to correct them as well

New Sancrosanctia wins a cookie!
http://artpad.art.com/?icuex6fo6q4
UpwardThrust
04-03-2005, 20:48
Sorry UT, but you had to correct them as well

New Sancrosanctia wins a cookie!
http://artpad.art.com/?icuex6fo6q4
DAMN!
Salutus
04-03-2005, 20:48
i really don't give a shit about spelling and grammar unless the person i am talking too is being an idiot. i can't tell you how much it pisses me off to see somebody calling people dumb when they themselves can't even string together a coherent sentence. and you gotta love how nobody knows that 'you are' becomes 'you're' not YOUR. dumbasses.

all i'm saying is, especially if you"RE on a thread bashing others' intelligence, don't be a hypocrite. learn how to not make an ass of yourself. :rolleyes:
Sinuhue
04-03-2005, 20:49
all i'm saying is, especially if you"RE on a thread bashing others' intelligence, don't be a hypocrite. learn how to not make an ass of yourself. :rolleyes:
There you go. Let he (or her or it) who bashes, be bashed in return with the bible of the grammatical handbook of English.

English grammar=oxymoron
New Sancrosanctia
04-03-2005, 20:51
Sorry UT, but you had to correct them as well

New Sancrosanctia wins a cookie!
http://artpad.art.com/?icuex6fo6q4
Hah! I win!

and on a side note, legless pirates makes some damn good cookies.
Alien Born
04-03-2005, 20:55
There you go. Let he (or her or it) who bashes, be bashed in return with the bible of the grammatical handbook of English.

English grammar=oxymoron

I want one of them there handbook thingys.

Unfortunately, being a teacher of English as a foreign language, English does have grammar, it just does not have any grammar rules. You can easily be wrong, just there is no set of instructions that allow you to be sure that you are right.
The Mycon
04-03-2005, 20:56
To the OP- Is english your first language?

While agree that it ain't the end of a world, using the noun where adjective/verb should be tends to disrupt the flow of language. Randomly decided whether to use a definite/general article makes pointless- occasion to forget them is also annoying.


(Entirely comprehensible, and the subject is an implied I, but it takes a bit of effort to parse that. It's just rude to make them brain work on translation when it should focus on comprehension, and it takes away from a debate if they can only understand your words, but not your greater point.

Though, I'll grant you, with this crowd, there will always be someone who finds a way to misinterpret whatever you say. They seem to have a powerful ability to ignore context when you disagree with a subject. Remembering more than three words at a time ain't everyone's forte.)
Sirocco
04-03-2005, 21:04
For me it's simply a pleasure to write with good grammar and spelling and to read good grammar and spelling. It gives literature an aesthetic appeal which I think adds a lot to the enjoyment of reading. At least it does for me!

I hate making mistakes when I'm editing issues of course - I'm a bit of a stickler when it comes to getting things just right.
Smelly Scheisse
04-03-2005, 21:27
I've always typed with good punctuation and spelling so I guess it's a habit I'm stuck with now.
Legless Pirates
04-03-2005, 21:34
On a more serious note:

I must say that I am my own spelling/grammar nazi. I point out spelling errors only when I think they are funny. My main problem is that I'm not that good in the English language. Especially if I have to name specific objects.
Takuma
04-03-2005, 21:47
this does not change mean that

Error error! Cannot compute!
I V Stalin
04-03-2005, 22:16
In light of no real way to start of this rant, let me just start by asking a simple question:

Why even bother with the syntax of English?

From what I gather, people on this message board are real sticklers for English. I can imagine them sitting in a library somewhere pointing out the fact I spelled "library" wrong, even though the understood the word and didn't confuse it with simular words like liberty or liberal. Is that how you get your kicks? Do you feel better belitting people's English?

One would counter that correct spelling and grammar is a sign of intellect. As we majority of use know, this isn't true. While I don't have the sources to back me up (I don't nessisarily have the time to find them), most physchologists agree on that there are categories of intelligence. While I admire someone because they can correct state that "their, there and they're are three different things", this does not change mean that orginal person whom made the mistake isn't intelligent on some level.

Also, the very foundation OF English is changing, nearly all the time. Obviously, no one on this board is going to respond this in Shakespearian English or even 19th century English (Dare I say anyone at all?). Scruppling over a few misconjointed words isn't going to stop the river of time.

I would go, but I have a small grade headache. Tell me what you think. Why do you or other people bother with being fussy over mine or anyone elses English?

I don't consider myself to be a grammar nazi, but I decided to see how many mistakes this has. I found 15, in bold.
Here's what (I think) they should say:
1. 'off'
2. 'they'
3. 'similar'
4. 'belittling'
5, 6. 'the' majority of 'us' (I count that as two)
7. 'necessarily'
8. 'psychologists'
9. 'on' should not be there
10. either 'correctly' or 'correct' should not be there
11. should say 'this does not mean that the original person'
12. should say 'respond to this'
13. 'Scrupling' (I think...any other ideas?)
14. 'misconjointed' is not a word. SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=misconjointed
15. 'else's'
Can I have a cookie for simply being annoying?
East Canuck
04-03-2005, 22:27
Everyone knows that the best way to make your point is to call others nazi's.
Well, grammar-nazi is the usual name given to those who correct people in forums.

That being said, I like when a text has good grammar. It help comprehension and reading speed as you don't have to look for the meaning behind the words if they are properly structured. And yes Capitalization helps too.

That being said, I'm not one to point out flaws in other people's posts unless they did it first. Besides, I know that someone will point out errors in mine. It's one of Murphy's best known law. Also, English is not my native language, so I'm not in a good position to correct people.

But!!! (did for emphasis) seeing as this is a forum, people should make a little effort on their punctation. It's not like chat, where speed is more important than proper grammar sometimes. This is why I do forums and not chat.
Anorahs
10-03-2005, 09:24
I feel there someone should change the term "spelling or grammar nazi". Maybe to an isim or an ist I dont think the world needs more nazi then we already I have enough If we create more nazi they may rise to power and have WWIII over someone’s grammar and I dont want that Besides I hate grammar and spelling As long as you get your point across to hell with grammar and spelling Seriously remove the stick from your ass and just comment on the idea rather then the spelling I think it only gets in the way if it is a hindrance to understanding what the person it trying to say
*punctuation is the devil and it takes too much time to spell check :p
New Sancrosanctia
10-03-2005, 09:29
I feel there someone should change the term "spelling or grammar nazi". Maybe to an isim or an ist I dont think the world needs more nazi then we already I have enough If we create more nazi they may rise to power and have WWIII over someone’s grammar and I dont want that Besides I hate grammar and spelling As long as you get your point across to hell with grammar and spelling Seriously remove the stick from your ass and just comment on the idea rather then the spelling I think it only gets in the way if it is a hindrance to understanding what the person it trying to say
*punctuation is the devil and it takes too much time to spell check :p
sharon, hon, that was the longest run-on sentence i've ever read.
Anorahs
10-03-2005, 09:34
sharon, hon, that was the longest run-on sentence i've ever read.

Nick, bubby I must say : you have been held down by the shackles of grammar for to long break out and be free of those stupid rules they are holding you back I say this cause I care about you If I hurt your feelings have one of theses

:fluffle:
New Sancrosanctia
10-03-2005, 09:36
Nick, bubby I must say : you have been held down by the shackles of grammar for to long break out and be free of those stupid rules they are holding you back I say this cause I care about you If I hurt your feelings have one of theses

:fluffle:
oh dear. I'm afraid that love is empty without punctuation. we're through. sorry. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Anorahs
10-03-2005, 09:51
Empty this :mp5: and this :sniper: and a little of this :gundge: jerk face :D :fluffle:
New Sancrosanctia
10-03-2005, 09:52
Empty this :mp5: and this :sniper: and a little of this :gundge: jerk face :D :fluffle:
touche. we're back together again. marry me. :fluffle:
Anorahs
10-03-2005, 09:55
touche. we're back together again. marry me. :fluffle:
Later lets do more of :fluffle: while they get back to the Nazis
New Sancrosanctia
10-03-2005, 09:58
Later lets do more of :fluffle: while they get back to the Nazis
ok. on my way. :fluffle: :fluffle:
Chridtopia
10-03-2005, 09:58
1.) Not everyone posting on this forum has English as their first language.

2.) Not everyone wants to take fifteen minutes after every post to make sure it's all spelt right. Not everyone has Word to do it quickly for them.

3.) These are like conversations/debates, not mini-essays. Get over it.

4.) Picking apart someone’s post for spelling is just way to distract from your ability to come up with a real argument.

<small>5.) OMG he use the word Nazi let's jump all over the him/her.</small>
Anorahs
10-03-2005, 10:03
1.) Not everyone posting on this forum has English as their first language.

2.) Not everyone wants to take fifteen minutes after every post to make sure it's all spelt right. Not everyone has Word to do it quickly for them.

3.) These are like conversations/debates, not mini-essays. Get over it.

4.) Picking apart someone’s post for spelling is just way to distract from your ability to come up with a real argument.

<small>5.) OMG he use the word Nazi let's jump all over the him/her.</small>

I wasnt jumping persay, just poking with a stick if that. I wasnt even upset I was saying it in jest. I find it strange when some one is talking about someone is strict etc and its in a negative they use the term nazi, why not drill sargent or something.
Cromotar
10-03-2005, 10:03
I don't mind little errors, like spelling typos or non-use of capital letters, but if a post is so garbled it takes me extra effort just to translate it, I generally skip it.

As mentioned before, this IS a political forum. If you want your arguments to be taken more seriously it's generally better to take the extra minute and write properly.
Ghout
10-03-2005, 10:14
Also, the very foundation OF English is changing, nearly all the time. Obviously, no one on this board is going to respond this in Shakespearian English or even 19th century English (Dare I say anyone at all?). Scruppling over a few misconjointed words isn't going to stop the river of time.

Thou art incorrect.
-Ceragon, anachronistic Ghouti sentence Nazi.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'd have posted in Old English if I knew any of it.

Now, on to my actual opion.

First, let me make it clear that I do not like the English language. It is, in my opinion, poorly designed and severely flawed. Nevertheless, it is the predominant language of this forum, and one of the most common in the world. If we're going to use it, we might as well use it to the best of our abilities, and follow its rules... even the ones that don't make a great deal of sense.

This is a forum; there is no time limit for posting. Thus, it is quite possible to run a post through a spell checker before actually posting it. This shows greater respect for the readers of the post, as does making in effort to use proper capitalization and punctuation. These considerations also increase the readability of your writing; something can be hard to decypher without actually being incomprehensible. It is less distracting, and, while not always a sign of low intelligence, does make a better impression.

Finely, it fits the culture I designed for Ghout to be a stickler about such things. It would be perfectly realistic, IC, for the Emperor to correct spelling mistakes in a message he received.

That is why the character Ceragon exists.
Ghout
10-03-2005, 10:42
Huh, did I kill this thing?
I'll have to add "Slayer of Threads" to Ceragon's list of titles.
Jester III
10-03-2005, 10:48
While english isnt my native language, which is why i cant be bothered with apostrophes, i like a clear structure and readability nonetheless. It helps me understand the message. If i read something along the lines of "u have to take jesus in youre hart hes the saver" or long posts entirely without punctuation and paragraphs, i have to invest significantly more time than the original poster. To me it is like having no respect for those who read that post.
Sarzonia
10-03-2005, 15:06
I argue that your use of spelling, grammar, etc. is a reflection on you, whether it's your intelligence or not. Not writing well to me is a sign of poor education. However, there is a difference between the odd typo or the occasional comma splice and the horrifically mangled piece of writing. One can be the sign of someone trying to rush off a given piece without giving it the needed editing and one is a sign that the person is unable to express him or herself.

Let me put it this way: You can still be denied even the opportunity to interview for a job if you send on a letter replete with spelling errors or poor grammar. Employers will often throw away a resume with even one grammatical error. Proper grammar and usage can make or break you in the real world. That's just the way it is, like it or not.

But I harken back to what I said earlier: There is a distinct difference between a generally well-written, well-argued piece that has maybe one or two typos in it and the kind of writing that would fail elementary school English. Most people who read frequently or write often can tell the difference. If someone's getting you over the once-in-a-thousand-words typo, they're probably grasping for straws. If someone's slamming you for basic mistakes, they have reason to get you.
Hakartopia
10-03-2005, 18:01
<small>5.) OMG he use the word Nazi let's jump all over the him/her.</small>

Yes, Heaven forbid some people get upset when other use the name of a group that committed genocide to talk about someone who points out a spelling mistake.
Chridtopia
10-03-2005, 18:36
Yes, Heaven forbid some people get upset when other use the name of a group that committed genocide to talk about someone who points out a spelling mistake.

Every hear of the Soup Nazi? They are obviously not calling you all mass murders, it's a reference to the strictness, it's actaully picking on the Nazi in a way. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to be thought of like the soup nazi, etc. It's a word we should be able to use it, the poster is not accusing anyone of mass genocide.
ElleDiamonique
10-03-2005, 19:34
Cookie for the first nazi to find a grammatical/spelling error in the original post

OK, I will admit that it drives me crazy to see a word spelled incorrectly or to see bad grammar used. Put it down to my 'Monk-like' nature as I am a Spelling and Grammar Nazi - and have always been.

I found a few mistakes in the original post (i stopped at a few - there could be more) - perhaps they were intentional as the post is indicative that the author speaks and writes wonderfully as well as intelligently.

Do you feel better belitting people's English? - belittling

(I don't nessisarily have the time to find them) - necessarily

most physchologists agree - psychologists

orginal person whom - should read 'who'
New Sancrosanctia
10-03-2005, 19:53
come on, everybody! do the BUMP!
Saxnot
10-03-2005, 19:55
I much prefer to read well-spelled and grammatically correct text, rather than having to wade through spelling errors and terrible syntax formation. It makes a good impression if one has good spelling, and it doesn't do to be lazy with something so easy to amend.
ElleDiamonique
10-03-2005, 20:07
come on, everybody! do the BUMP!

Are we not supposed to bump up posts, or rather, if we see something on another page it's - taboo or acceptable - to reply?
New Sancrosanctia
10-03-2005, 20:10
Are we not supposed to bump up posts, or rather, if we see something on another page it's - taboo or acceptable - to reply?
what? i was just encouraging people to dance.
ElleDiamonique
10-03-2005, 20:19
what? i was just encouraging people to dance.


lol OK, thanks.
(I'd put in a graphic of my 'St. Patrick's Day dancing banana' but it says invalid file type. pffffffffttttttttttt)
New Sancrosanctia
10-03-2005, 20:21
your wording kind of confused me, but i think you were asking if it's ok to bump up posts. yes. it is. i just like doing it as creatively as possible.
CthulhuFhtagn
10-03-2005, 20:27
1.) Not everyone posting on this forum has English as their first language.

Which is exactly why we should take the time to have good spelling, punctuation, and grammar. If it's hard for native English speakers to understand, imagine how difficult it would be for people who aren't native English speakers?

(Incidentally, the vast majority of people on the Internet whose (who's? I can never remember.) first language is not English are perfectly understandable. Verb forms and negatives are generally the only things they have any trouble with. What I'm saying is that your arguement is invalid.)
ElleDiamonique
10-03-2005, 20:29
your wording kind of confused me, but i think you were asking if it's ok to bump up posts. yes. it is. i just like doing it as creatively as possible.

Yes, that's what I was asking. And may I say, you do it quite creatively.

On my board, I bump up posts with a graphic of Betty Boop and add - chicaboomboomBOOM!!! Some think I'm strange but, "creativity" does get noticed, no? Like your way.

Thank you.
Lemuriania
10-03-2005, 21:10
Whoa. Coming back from the dead to haunt me, eh? Well, I'll guess I'll add some things to this.

1) Alright, perhaps Nazi is too strong of a word. I was referring it more so in the strict sense rather than the "kill all the Jews" sense. Maybe I should have gone with "Grammar and Spelling Bureaucrats" or another noun that has less of a sting.

2) A lot of the misspellings was a result of two things; my dyslexia and, of course, me just wanting to grate the nerves of the Websters of the world. >:P Even if I took a few minutes out to run the post through spellchecker and then study it, it would still probably be riddled with a mistake or two. That's just the way I am and I can't adapt enough to compensate for the demands of others. (Just for you guys, I'll run this through Word and weed out everything.)

3) To answer another question earlier, English is my native language. As I said just a number before, I'm dyslexia as well. Not a good combination.

4) While my tone may seem a little harsh, I'm not questioning the Websters' intelligence. It obviously takes a smart individual to correct typos. I'm just sick and tired of having everything I say or do being scrutinized by others. It is really disheartening.
Kevady
10-03-2005, 21:25
1.) Not everyone posting on this forum has English as their first language.

Not everyone that doesn't have English as their first language is a dumb fuck either. I've corrected people on the forums before, and English is my third language. Yeah, so sue me for being better than you.
Manawskistan
10-03-2005, 21:26
3) To answer another question earlier, English is my native language. As I said just a number before, I'm dyslexia as well. Not a good combination.


Dyslexic :D

These boards are primarily conducted in the English Language. Since General tends to lean toward political debate (or in a more precise sense, political shouting at each other until people get blue in the face), it stands to reason that the quality of a poster's grammar is directly proportional with the amount of respect that poster's argument receives. Personally, I will not think highly of someone who says something smart but cannot manage to be bothered with punctuation, capitalization, or correct spelling. I'm more receptive (in general) of a somewhat mediocre argument that has seen a spell checker. Playing dumb and claiming that another language is your mother tongue* isn't acceptable here either. This board is hosted in the UK, and as such, you should be able to "talk the talk" as well as any Briton, American, Canadian, Australian, or inhabitant of any other nation which has English as a widely spoken language.

* and as such, you can't be bothered with correct grammar
Chridtopia
11-03-2005, 03:25
Not everyone that doesn't have English as their first language is a dumb fuck either. I've corrected people on the forums before, and English is my third language. Yeah, so sue me for being better than you.

That's not arrogant, just because you know three languages now you're the smartest person on a forums, right. Anyway my first language is English, the point is jumping on someone for every little mistake is ridiculous. The person could be making a valid point or meaningful opinion and it doesn’t matter to some people because he spelt some word wrong or failed to put a semi-colon in somewhere. This is a discussion form for random subjects not for proof reading though an essay. Maybe some people are lazy, maybe some don’t have a spell check, and maybe, just maybe they have better things to do with their time then spend time re-reading their post four or five times worried that a word is out of place or misspelled.
Vehement Indifference
11-03-2005, 03:30
Obviously, no one on this board is going to respond this in Shakespearian English....

Verily, thou dost speaketh the truth.

Oh, wait.....
Neo-Anarchists
11-03-2005, 03:35
I tend to be a bit of a grammar Nazi at times, and it bugs the hell out of me.
Neo-Anarchists
11-03-2005, 03:36
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/3370/grammarnazi8vu.jpg
Grammar Nazi
Kevady
11-03-2005, 03:47
That's not arrogant, just because you know three languages now you're the smartest person on a forums, right.

Actually knowing three languages isn't even that impressive (and the last part of my post was in jest). In fact everyone in Flanders has to learn French and English in school, on top of the Dutch we speak better than the Dutchies, and some of us also learn German in high school.

And yes, I'm deliberately quoting only parts of your posts.
Planners
11-03-2005, 04:15
I think this is a good post for me to repent.

My writing tends to be written to hastily, thus there are often lots
grammatical and spelling mistakes. I always edit my posts after I have already posted, which is a habit I am trying to improve. I appreciate grammar nazis, since I am always looking to improve my writing.

Thanx GN's! :)
Bitchkitten
11-03-2005, 04:57
I try to be reasonably correct with my spelling and grammar, but it's far from perfect. I agree that something really poorly written distracts from what the poster is trying to say, but we can all be a little tolerant. I'm bad about run on sentences. And I can't type for shit. Sometimes I'm in a hurry, so I don't check as well as I should. I don't mind occasional corrections, but some people are just assholes.
New Sancrosanctia
11-03-2005, 05:36
I try to be reasonably correct with my spelling and grammar, but it's far from perfect. I agree that something really poorly written distracts from what the poster is trying to say, but we can all be a little tolerant. I'm bad about run on sentences. And I can't type for shit. Sometimes I'm in a hurry, so I don't check as well as I should. I don't mind occasional corrections, but some people are just assholes.
i can't find any grammatical errors.
AkhPhasa
11-03-2005, 08:49
I guess my brain's language centres are well developed, I have no difficulty spelling things correctly or putting together a cohesive paragraph, so I judge other people against the yardstick of myself. "I would have to be brain-damaged to write that sentence" is what I might think upon reading some mangled piece of trash. Other people may not have the capacity to grasp spelling and grammar no matter how hard they try, but their soccer-ball-kicking cortex may work really well and they may think "I would have to be brain-damaged to swing my foot at the ball and miss". I cannot kick a ball. Period. They cannot comprehend why I am such an idiot as to be unable to kick a ball, and I am equally unable to fathom their inability to distinguish "who" from "whom".

As to why I pounce upon them...well I suppose it is the same sort of thing as when a straight religious person happily asserts that being gay is WRONG. They can say that because they were just lucky enough to be born on the right side of that religion's fence, and they do not stop to consider the plight of those who simply cannot ever be on the "correct" side of that fence.

Grammar and spelling is the fence. I got the good side. Payback time.