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For those that are faithless there is a place to meet and talk. It is a promotion of Universism. Which is a gathering of faithless people and ideas meeting. Here is a site that explains universism
http://www.deism.org/frames.htm

Universists consist of Atheist ( strong and weak) agnostic, deist, pantheist, and transcendalist.

Here is a forum of the faithless to discuss science politics and religon and its effects upon the world.

http://www.faithless.org/community/

Lots of good info in both sites enjoy.

I have not gone to the site, but anything that describes itself as an -ism really can not claim to be faithless.
-isms are about beliefs or they are misnamed. This creates doubt for me about the possibility of something called universism being of any value as a meeting place for those without faith.

I have not gone to the site, but anything that describes itself as an -ism really can not claim to be faithless.
-isms are about beliefs or they are misnamed. This creates doubt for me about the possibility of something called universism being of any value as a meeting place for those without faith.
impressionism requires faith? interesting theory...odd, that i should know an agnostic impressionist...

impressionism requires faith? interesting theory...odd, that i should know an agnostic impressionist...
:eek:
Agnosticism requires faith too!
:D

I have not gone to the site, but anything that describes itself as an -ism really can not claim to be faithless.
-isms are about beliefs or they are misnamed. This creates doubt for me about the possibility of something called universism being of any value as a meeting place for those without faith.

'Jism' being the notable exception to this rule.

:eek:
Agnosticism requires faith too!
:D
haha, gotta love a paradox!

I have not gone to the site, but anything that describes itself as an -ism really can not claim to be faithless.
-isms are about beliefs or they are misnamed. This creates doubt for me about the possibility of something called universism being of any value as a meeting place for those without faith.

seconded

'Jism' being the notable exception to this rule.

How dare you impugn the cult of J

'Jism' being the notable exception to this rule.
I have faith in jism.

I have faith in jism.

can i get a amen, brother?

can i get a amen, brother?
I believe you mean "sister", and yes, you most likely could get an "amen".
:p

impressionism requires faith? interesting theory...odd, that i should know an agnostic impressionist...

Good point.
-ism is defined in six distinct ways. An example of each is include.

1. an action or its result (organism)
2. a system, principle or ideological movement (feminism)
3. a state or quality (brabarism)
4. a basis of prejudice or discrimination (racism)
5. a peculiarity in language (an Australianism)
6. a pathological condition (alcoholism)

Source OED

To commence a thread promoting a place for those without faith based on universism eliminates that some of these possibilities could apply to this word. It would seem that we are left with definitions 1 and 2 as possible meanings (4 at a push).
If I apply meaning 1 to the root - universe. I get resulting from the action of the universe. Well this requires a belief, or faith, that the universe acts.
If it is 2. Then why use the term if it is referring to the universe as a system. This is just called physics. If it is a principle or ideology, again faith appears.

I consider that impressionism etc. are systems of expression. (I do know people though that would define specific artistic movements as pathological conditions ;) )

I believe you mean "sister", and yes, you most likely could get an "amen".
:p

do i mean sister? i'm now thinking of a hippie-looking chick with an m-16. cooool.

Good point.
-ism is defined in six distinct ways. An example of each is include.

1. an action or its result (organism)
2. a system, principle or ideological movement (feminism)
3. a state or quality (brabarism)
4. a basis of prejudice or discrimination (racism)
5. a peculiarity in language (an Australianism)
6. a pathological condition (alcoholism)

Source OED

To commence a thread promoting a place for those without faith based on universism eliminates that some of these possibilities could apply to this word. It would seem that we are left with definitions 1 and 2 as possible meanings (4 at a push).
If I apply meaning 1 to the root - universe. I get resulting from the action of the universe. Well this requires a belief, or faith, that the universe acts.
If it is 2. Then why use the term if it is referring to the universe as a system. This is just called physics. If it is a principle or ideology, again faith appears.

I consider that impressionism etc. are systems of expression. (I do know people though that would define specific artistic movements as pathological conditions ;) )


You make one mistake. You infere that belief and faith are one and the same and they are not.They're are similar but not exact.

Faith=unquestioned belief. If you question then you do not have faith and that is the defintion of faith used here.

Some of that is addressed at the site take the time to look at it rather than critisize without first looking into it.

Websters definition of Faith: 1.Unquestioned belief specifically in God 2 a particular religon 3 complete trust or confidence 4 loyalty

Definition 1 is what is being used as the standard.

You make one mistake. You infere that belief and faith are one and the same and they are not.They're are similar but not exact.

Faith=unquestioned belief. If you question then you do not have faith and that is the defintion of faith used here.

Some of that is addressed at the site take the time to look at it rather than critisize without first looking into it.

Websters definition of Faith: 1.Unquestioned belief specifically in God 2 a particular religon 3 complete trust or confidence 4 loyalty

Definition 1 is what is being used as the standard.

First off, thank you for attributing only one mistake. I am sure there are many more that I am making here.

To me faith is the fourth definition from Webster. Loyalty. I support this point of view means I have faith in this point of view, which means in turn that i believe this point of view.
I do not consider unquestioned belief to really be possible in the current Western culture. If you profess any belief whatsoever there is always someone ready to challenge it. Just look at what happens to Kahta or Vote Early here on NS. Or even those who are less evangelical about their beliefs such as Keruvalia.

The definition of faith as unquestioned belief in the West really only applies to the current belief in science (I too held this as unquestioned for a long time). I still believe in science as a technique but it is no longer unquestioned. All the same I follow "sciencism".

I indicated that I had not looked at the site, to be fair. I am not criticisng the site. I can not, I have not seen it. What I was criticising was the way in which the site was promoted. That there were pressumptions in the considerations that you made about it, that for me, eliminated any interest that I may have initially had.