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I am fairly new to this forum. All forums to be exact. Never have I bothered to post in forums until now. Even though I have been on the net before the WWW. One thing I notice is the over abundance of what I would call communist sympathizers and or straight communist. What is the fascination of communism? Is it because you are not old enough to remember what communism really was? Just curious out there. Cant imagine why so many worship a system that is proven corrupt. Sure we will get some interesting thoughts here.

Eh, I've had my socialist period but it passed (realized its stupidity) - I'm now a happy libertarian.

ugh the ussr was not 'communist' in the sense of the theory/idealism.

the theory is what is attractive, not the reality (most 'communists'/socialists understand that the model is not workable today (due to the corruption and greed evident in the USSR's take on the ideal), but perhaps will be at some time in the future)

ugh the ussr was not 'communist' in the sense of the theory/idealism.

Exactly.

And Communism is attractive because it offers a society of equals, no masters. That's the basic bones of it. People actually get back what they put in etc... Why is that so hard to believe?

And I have yet to meet a Communist who worships Lenin. :rolleyes:

Its about people power, equality, freedom, democracy, etc. Commmunism is a great system. But I really hate the authoritian Socialist phase the Lenin created.

Is it impossible to create a communism society. No
Will it be the way marx invisioned it. not likely.

Forums such as this one are not accurate cross sections of each nation's population's political beliefs. The kind of people that believe in Communism are the kind of people that will be attracted to forums. Perhaps because it's a characteristic of that personality to enjoy forums, or maybe because it offers an outlet for their beliefs in a world that is extremely hostile toward those beliefs.

Or it could be because the theoretical benefits of Communism appeal to the generally younger folks that inhabit forums, as you said. They'll likely become more moderate by the time they're 30 or 35 and they begin to realize that those theoretical benefits are just that: theory, and nothing more.

There seem to be two questions here:
1.: Why people like communism: first, young adults have an inherent drive to rebel. While propaganda like that of the 50's can temporarily suppress this, the web can't be dominated as easily. Thus people move rapidly to the political fringes. Second, with the death of the Soviet Union and the mildizing of China people have begun to be able to create their own meaning for communism divorced from its corrupt background. Just because Christianity condoned the inquisition doesn't mean everyone should boycott it.
2.: Why one should like communism: so far the basic ideas I've heard on the subject hearken back to the original idea of an equal society. Communism is very similar to Christianity in this respect too. Both propose what if followed accurately (almost impossible to do in both cases) could lead to the end of poverty and want.

It's obvious why Communism has failed.

People like Lenin advocate the revolution, after which one party takes over, and society evolves toward a classless society. However, it doesn't work that way in principle. Even the most die hard of revolutionary egalitarians will be corrupted by concentrated power, and that's what happened, degenerating the Soviet Union into basically a Fascist state.

The only way a true classless society can be achieved is by a direct revolution, after which power is immediately distributed among the proletariat.

R.

Forums such as this one are not accurate cross sections of each nation's population's political beliefs. The kind of people that believe in Communism are the kind of people that will be attracted to forums. Perhaps because it's a characteristic of that personality to enjoy forums, or maybe because it offers an outlet for their beliefs in a world that is extremely hostile toward those beliefs.


Well you know that does sound good. But I do talk to alot of people. The type of business that I am in require me to talk with alot of people in alot of cross-sections of life. I can tell you that this forum is very close to what I would say is normal world people. The people on here just happen to like to share ideas/argue or whatever.

Because if you use the hamer and sickle no one says anything, but you use the swarsticker (sp) and all hell breaks loose.

So far I'm getting that most communist are young idealist? I know as I get older I get more conservative. Most of my friends have to. Do we have any old communist amongst us? I mean the ones that can remember hiding under the school desk while air raid sirens were blaring in town. Of course these were just tests thank god.

Because if you use the hamer and sickle no one says anything, but you use the swarsticker (sp) and all hell breaks loose.

funny you mention that. Communist have killed far more people than any Nazi ever did.

funny you mention that. Communist have killed far more people than any Nazi ever did.

Yes, I know. I also have to agree with the idea of the 'young idealists' being the main supporters. Well meaning, but misdirected.

funny you mention that. Communist have killed far more people than any Nazi ever did.
The Swastika was chosen by the Nazis as a symbol of death and persecution (Notice I say chosen, not created) right from the start, it stood for racial supremacy, while the Hammer and Sickle was the symbol of a political theory that stood for equality.

With that twisted logic, I shouldn't be allowed to display a cross (Not that I ever would) because Christianity has killed millions.

And Communism is attractive because it offers a society of equals, no masters. That's the basic bones of it. People actually get back what they put in etc... Why is that so hard to believe?


Eh? You don't get back what you put in. You get back as much as you need. Surplus/defecits of input are distributed across the populus.

On a theoretical note, communism is attractive if you are lazy and good at faking incompetence.

It's obvious why Communism has failed.

People like Lenin advocate the revolution, after which one party takes over, and society evolves toward a classless society. However, it doesn't work that way in principle. Even the most die hard of revolutionary egalitarians will be corrupted by concentrated power, and that's what happened, degenerating the Soviet Union into basically a Fascist state.

The only way a true classless society can be achieved is by a direct revolution, after which power is immediately distributed among the proletariat.

R.

I agree. The basic idea of communism is that the government will distribute goods equally, but the only government in which this can happen is a democracy, which none of the communist nations happened to be. A communist democracy would work a lot better.

Eh? You don't get back what you put in. You get back as much as you need. Surplus/defecits of input are distributed across the populus.

On a theoretical note, communism is attractive if you are lazy and good at faking incompetence.

Then Capitalism is attractive if you are Greedy and dont really give a shit about the welfare of your fellow man (or woman)

I don't know if I would count as communist, but I greatly admire Lenin. I am from the Soviet Union, and greatly respect the many good things he did for Russia. Lenin himself was not as evil as you would believe-his successor, Stalin, is to whom the failure of the Soviet Union can be directly traced.

I'm not a commie and never was a sympathiser (though I do like the soviet flag) . I do know a few who are though. On a nationwide scale it simply could not work. There are numerous examples of the failures of this system.

ugh the ussr was not 'communist' in the sense of the theory/idealism.

the theory is what is attractive, not the reality (most 'communists'/socialists understand that the model is not workable today (due to the corruption and greed evident in the USSR's take on the ideal), but perhaps will be at some time in the future)

The USSR what will always happen to Communism; it has in every single case. Marx had some good ideas, but he had his head in the clouds with most of his ideals.

Then Capitalism is attractive if you are Greedy and dont really give a shit about the welfare of your fellow man (or woman)

Yes. And most of us are/don't. At least the ones who work.

Yes. And most of us are/don't. At least the ones who work.
Only the ones whos minds are filled with corporate propaganda.

Mark my words, one day the whole world will be under the red banner, and all men will be like brothers.. We commies dont see black and white, we only see blue and red...

funny you mention that. Communist have killed far more people than any Nazi ever did.

Interesting that - technically, there never *has* been a Communist government, only attempts at one. Keep in mind that where Communists support an ideal, "Communist" governments deviate severely from that ideal. No Communist I've ever met (and I do know quite a few of them) would support the murder of millions.

Eh, I've had my socialist period but it passed (realized its stupidity) - I'm now a happy libertarian.

Socialist? Since when is Communism the same as Socialism?

I What is the fascination of communism? Is it because you are not old enough to remember what communism really was?

I don't think so, I think it's more a case of some of us being old enough to know what propaganda is on both sides... ;)

I don't think so, I think it's more a case of some of us being old enough to know what propaganda is on both sides... ;)
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Good answer!

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Good answer!
Reds under the bed!!!!!!!
:mad: <--- an angry Red.