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A lot of posts/nations/roleplays claim to be ninjas or have studied Ninjutsu, was just wandering how many of you out there using the terms actually know the true history of the Ninja or have actually studied the Ninja arts?

(by the way am not getting at anybody for using the name ninja or anything, was just curious -- the ability to disapear in a puff of smoke and distroy your opponents with Ninja magic is a cool idea :) )

I know the basics about ninjas, and I also know they were not much more than mercinaries and assassains.

I'm a ninjapirate.

I dug it in high school, because it was the 80s and as a boy I was required to...Gymkata!!!

What blew a lot of it apart for me was finding out the outfit was actually a stage hand outfit and only associated with ninjas because if an assassin was in a play the stage hand would perform the part to portray 'invisibility.' The cultural history became more interesting after that, Noh theater and such...

But there is still a 12 year old in me that has to admit whether or not everything we 'think' about ninja's is true, they are cool in the same way gunslingers are 'cool' and not so much 'true.'

I'm not a ninja. But I can sneak around undetected causing mischief. Close enough?

I know the basics about ninjas, and I also know they were not much more than mercinaries and assassains.
In Soviet Russia, ninjas know the basics about you.

I wonder if ninjas could win against the KGB?

EDIT:
I know nothing about ninjas except that they're awesome.
http://www.realultimatepower.net/

No. But I do have this:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=402214

In Soviet Russia, ninjas know the basics about you.

I wonder if ninjas could win against the KGB?

EDIT:
I know nothing about ninjas except that they're awesome.
http://www.realultimatepower.net/
*looks at the ninja star embedded in the wood counter next to head*

Hmm...ninjas

That is one opinion, another is that they were in fact a shodow culture who wished to live away from the dominance of the Shogunate. Scolars have shown that Ninja clans have had a great influence on Japanese history, at one time being used as secret police by the emporer.

At least that is what i've been told :)

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What blew a lot of it apart for me was finding out the outfit was actually a stage hand outfit and only associated with ninjas because if an assassin was in a play the stage hand would perform the part to portray 'invisibility.'

Most of what is known in the west about the ninjas is fantasy, then again most of what is generaly known about ninja deeds is no way near the whole picture, the Ninja missions you hear tales of is where the ninja had to resort to physical combat thus failing in the mission of stealth or subterfuge.

That is one opinion, another is that they were in fact a shodow culture who wished to live away from the dominance of the Shogunate. Scolars have shown that Ninja clans have had a great influence on Japanese history, at one time being used as secret police by the emporer.

At least that is what i've been told :)

See, on the other hand, I've been told that they were just farmers and other generally poor people that were hired as cheap (and generally ineffective) spies.

I am ninja!

*ninja pose*

KYO-WAH!

*wobbles and falls over*

See, on the other hand, I've been told that they were just farmers and other generally poor people that were hired as cheap (and generally ineffective) spies.
Yeah I heard they were farmers a lot also.

there is no such thing as a ninjapirate....but ninjas are mamals. i learned that on a web site called realultimatepower.com

there is no such thing as a ninjapirate....

That's because ninjas and pirates are mortal enemies, and a combination of them would be an abomination. Like the vampire-werewolf from Underworld.

That's because ninjas and pirates are mortal enemies, and a combination of them would be an abomination.
It would spend its whole life trying to kill itself off, the poor thing...
:(

I'm the greatest Ninja/Pirate/Zombie Killer on this god damn forum.

Ninja's are da shit, becouse I know, For I am a ninja.
on historical ninjas, all they were were very high class extremest assasins. Kinda like the Hashishans in the middle east, thats where the word comes from. just so you know.

I got that beat. I'm a ninja pirate zombie robot.

Haha, seriously though. Ninjas are awesome, they have REAL ULTIMATE POWER. I did an essay for my grade 12 english class on who would win in a fight: ninjas or pirates. Check it out.

Ninjas VS Pirates: The Ultimate Battle

Over the course of history, there have been various warrior castes that stand out among others, dominating their time period’s conflicts with their strength, valor, numbers, or training. Such legendary fighting men as the samurai of feudal Japan, the armoured knights of 14th-century England and France, and the Roman legionnaires are all perfect examples of these. However, in my mind the two greatest of these warrior groups has been the ferocious European pirates, and the cunning Japanese ninja. Of course, this leads to the question: if, by some strange means, a force of pirates were pitted against a force of ninja, who would prevail?

Firstly, let’s review the facts, starting with the ninja. The title of “ninja” refers to one who is a master of the art of ninjitsu, which literally means “the art of stealth” or “the way of invisibility”. Ninjas were the deadly assassins, spies and combatants of feudal Japan from the fourteenth to seventeenth century. As different to the noble samurai as night is to day, ninjas preferred stealth and precision to outright force, and guile to belligerence. They were trained nearly from birth to go where armoured warriors could not, and accomplish in secret what superior numbers could not do in the open. In addition to unarmed combat, the ninja was a master of several weapons. The most well-known ninja weapon is the shuriken, a small bladed star used for throwing. Other weapons include the ninja-to (a short curved blade, balanced for stabbing and slashing), kusari-fundo (2-3ft chain used to disarm sword-wielding opponents), kusari-gama (a single-edged blade with 9-12ft of chain on the other end), and the shinobi-zue (bamboo walking canes that concealed assassination tools such as knives, poison and garrottes). Stealth, too, was a lethal weapon in the hands of the ninja. With such implements they dominated the shadows of feudal Japan until ninjitsu was abolished and the ninja clans were scattered and destroyed.

Equally as terrifying were the pirates of European legend. Renown for their ferocity, aggression, and ability to attack and disappear without warning, the European pirates of the eighteenth century dominated shipping lines all over the Seven Seas. The names of such famous buccaneers as Blackbeard, Captain Kidd and Bartholomew Roberts live on even today. The pirates of the eighteenth century went against every tradition held dear in Europe – they paid homage to no king but their captain, they wore whatever clothes they liked, they were generally godless, had no wife or mistress besides the sea, and generally did what they pleased. Armed with a motley assortment of weapons such as axes, cutlasses, knives, and pistols, a pirate ship bearing the dreaded skull and crossbones flag (affectionately known as the “jolly roger”) struck fear into the hearts of merchant ships all over the world.

Now, on to the good bit: the fight. Of course rules have to be established to make this a fair fight, else there is no point to this exercise. Therefore an equal amount of pirates and ninjas must be present for this to be a legitimate comparison. A standard pirate crew would be around one hundred and twenty souls including the captain, so we will use this as the number for both sides. As for weapons, both sides will of course be well equipped. Each ninja will be armed with several shurikens, and then whatever other weapon(s) they desire. Each pirate will carry two flintlock pistols with one shot each, and then whatever melee weapon(s) they choose. The location of this confrontation will be a large open area, such as a football field. This way the ninja do not have an edge over their pirate adversaries, as they would in an area rife with places to hide or duck and cover. The battle will take place during the daylight, for the same reasons. Each force will begin at opposite ends of the arena, with around a hundred yards of space between them. When a signal is given, the battle will begin. The battle will end when one entire side has been rendered incapacitated, either through death or injury. With the rules set down thusly, let us proceed to the actual confrontation…

I believe the battle would occur much like this. The pirates would begin advancing, firing off their pistols at the ninja. However due to factors including the shoddy manufacturing of the pistols, the ninja’s agility and cunning, and the level of inebriation of the pirates, I am assuming that only a small number of ninja would be killed or wounded by this volley – perhaps thirty or forty, at most. The ninja would already be advancing as well, and once at optimum range they would begin throwing shurikens, which due to their greater skill and closer range would be more accurate than the pirate’s crude firearms. Unfortunately, shurikens are designed to inflict injury or incapacitation rather than death (unless they struck a vital area such as the throat or eyes). Therefore, I reason that only around twenty pirates would be killed however as many as sixty would be wounded. With the niceties of ranged combat aside let us examine the resulting melee.

One would assume that the ninja, being far more skilled in both armed and unarmed combat, would have the upper hand in this conflict. However, there is much to take into account here. First of all, ninjas are trained to rely on stealth and surprise – both advantages that they lack in this confrontation. In addition, ninjas are solitary assassins, and unsuited to the sort of combat that would occur in this instance. Pirates, on the other hand, would be used to such a swirling melee, as they would have experience fighting such a battle when boarding another ship. The fact that they are not battling atop a swaying deck whilst cannons roar would doubtlessly improve their combat skills. I reason that while individual ninjas would be able to disarm, incapacitate or kill numerous pirates at once, several ninjas would get in each other’s way and simply be slaughtered en masse by the brutality of the pirates. Cunning and subtlety would be about as useful in this situation as a screen door on a submarine – in this battle numbers and ferocity would win the day, and the pirates have both in spades. Even taking into account the pirates wounded by shurikens, I am confident that the pirates would significantly outnumber the ninja in a matter of moments, and then simply surround and devour their eastern opponents.

This is simply my interpretation of what would occur in such a situation, with the above guidelines. Of course had this confrontation taken place at night, in an area where cover and hiding places were abundant, then obviously the ninja would have a significant advantage, just as if the battle had been fought on the high seas the pirates would have the upper hand. I am also making several assumptions on things like accuracy and morale. In the end, however, such things matter little: it is extremely unlikely that Japanese ninjas and European pirates would ever find themselves combating each other, especially in such a well-defined and regulated manner. This was a simply exercise in logical thought, and I chose pirates and ninjas because they, quite frankly, rock.

Who would really win in a battle of pirates and ninjas? And will we ever know for certain? Some would say even talking about this is foolish. I, however, choose to think of it as being open-minded. Stranger things have happened, and if somehow, somewhere, the fate of the world rests on the outcome of such a titanic struggle, I mean to be on the winning side.

Real ultimate power!!!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........ (starts pulling out own hair)

Real information:

http://www.bda-ninpo.com
http://www.winjutsu.com
http://students.bugs.bham.ac.uk/ninpo-budo
http://www.bujinkan.org/main/page1.asp
http://www.kabuto.nu/

Ninjas were killers for hire, thieves, and spies that operated predominantly during the Sengoku period of Japanese history. The constant warring between Japanese warlords created the perfect environment for their work. They used fighting techniques that were considered dishonorable at the time, so they always operated under an alias. They usually held an inconspicuous jobs like fishing by day to protect their identity. They would often form loose partnerships or guilds of sorts. They would make their headquarters in businesses in large cities. If someone needed something stolen or someone else killed they could figure out which businessmen to talk to and the businessmen knew who to relay the task to. I doubt the client ever saw the ninja. I think they would even bid on commissions. The ninja that accepted the lowest percentage of the offered price would get the job and the rest would go to the guild treasury.

See, on the other hand, I've been told that they were just farmers and other generally poor people that were hired as cheap (and generally ineffective) spies.

Many ninjas were quite good at what they did. Remember, they were sneaky people operating in a time when a strict moral code was applied to most parts of society. Most people would never expect it. If they did then they'd have a hard time figuring out how to deal with a ninja without dishonoring themselves.

*snip*

Pirates win because Maddox is a pirate.

I am most defiantly NOT a ninja. I am a pirate. Priates and Ninja's do not get along and that's why they don't get x-mas presents.

I am certainly no ninja, but I did study ninjitsu for a couple of years. What's it really like? Painful! You spend a lot of time being hit by people and wooden swords and rubber knives. You learn avoidence very quickly. It is mostly great exercise though, and I think I could still disarm someone trying to stab me.

One night our doorbell kept going, we thought it was neighbourhood kids, it was actually a friend Anthony wedged up above our door in full Ninja get-up. He'd press the door bell with the tip of his sword (wooden practice) every time we went in. Annoyed the hell out of us for about half an hour.

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I wonder if ninjas could win against the KGB?

Are you joking me? The KGB are watching you right now!

Are you joking me? The KGB are watching you right now!
But ninjas are invisible, so the KGB can't watch them!
:p

Well as the Japanese legend goes, the Tengu taught the first ninjas and samurais.

Ninjas didn't really die out in the 18th century. Apparently, they are now a part of whatever the Japanese equivilent of the CIA is or in the Yakuza.

Maasaki Hatsumi and his students are the only ones teaching Ninjitsu as a martial art now. Hatsumi taught Steven Hayes, who was featured on a Discovery show about Ninjas. However I saw a list somewhere on the net of people who still know most or all of the classical skills such as creating a projectile out of a pepper filled eggshell. There is a ninja museum in Japan somewhere.

The most important thing to remember though is stay away from Ashida Kim!

Lastly, the most thought of version of ninja can be found in games like the Ninja Gaiden and Tenchu series and anime like 2x2=Shinobuden,Naruto, and Ninja Scroll. Sadly Naruto got licensed, will be on CN soon apparently, and will get butchered for profit.

A lot of posts/nations/roleplays claim to be ninjas or have studied Ninjutsu, was just wandering how many of you out there using the terms actually know the true history of the Ninja or have actually studied the Ninja arts?

(by the way am not getting at anybody for using the name ninja or anything, was just curious -- the ability to disapear in a puff of smoke and distroy your opponents with Ninja magic is a cool idea :) )


Everybody knows that the old school ninjas were a big bunch of pussies. Now these guys, on the other hand, are REAL ninjas:

http://www.mallninja.com/

I am most defiantly NOT a ninja. I am a pirate. Priates and Ninja's do not get along and that's why they don't get x-mas presents.
THANKYOU! Stupid ninjas... GO PIRATES!