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the chidern! some one plz think of the children !!!
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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/4242058/detail.html

"According to witnesses (Gale) refused to cooperate with police and a struggle ensued."

According to the man's sister, the police were being brutal. But, as the news story has her as the only witness saying that, and the other witnesses saying that the man refused to cooperate, the police are well in line to subdue someone who is struggling with them.

I would rather be hit with a Taser than pepper sprayed (I've experienced both), and I certainly would rather that than being choked, kicked, or beaten with a baton.

I doubt that the man was abused by police as his sister states. I've seen this sort of thing too many times - it's usually some stupid guy who doesn't realize that if you cooperate, the ride downtown is usually a simple and short affair.

the chidern! some one plz think of the children !!!
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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/4242058/detail.html

Normally I'm the last one to echo that particular sentiment, but there's always an exception. I hope this fellow Gale successfully sues the officers and the police force concerned into the ground.

ye ai agree and find it strang that theres only one witness they used but THIN KOF TH CHIlDREN!! and is still a weirs story :P (tired s reason fortypos ><)

I am. An empirical good lesson in how to deal with over officious police officers. Don't argue. Just say yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir.

Another point, if you don't want to ruin your kid's lives, don't feed them fast food.

I am. An empirical good lesson in how to deal with over officious police officers. Don't argue. Just say yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir.

Another point, if you don't want to ruin your kid's lives, don't feed them fast food.

Obviously, the owner of the restaurant called the police. The police are not being "over officious". They are doing their job.

If the manager of the restaurant wanted to press charges, the police have to take the alleged offender downtown.

It looks like he didn't want to go.

Should the police do their job, and take him downtown, or should they say, "heck, he looks like he doesn't want to go," and leave?

'Twas not the police. Oh no, it was The Anti-Vegetarian Strike Force!

wtf does tasered mean ?

just a minute...do you mean tazer-ed...like with those zappy things...?

just a minute...do you mean tazer-ed...like with those zappy things...?

Not your ordinary stun gun. Much, much more effective.

I used the term over officious because it appears thet they were not very succesful at persuading the man to discuss the matter somewhere else. Now in my experience, any person with authority of any kind will tend to get uppity when someone who should obey does not.

I do not believe that they did anything wrong, just the correct way of dealing with authority is not to challenge it head on like this guy appears to have done.

I like the way though that you took the word officious, which means being officia, according to the rules, and took it to be a criticism. Being over officious is how police officers do their jobs. They have to, otherwise they get their asses sued to kingdom come.l

Normally I'm the last one to echo that particular sentiment, but there's always an exception. I hope this fellow Gale successfully sues the officers and the police force concerned into the ground.

cops really are assholes sometimes... shooting family pets, beating on helpless people, harassing people. They need to learn to leave the decent people alone and go after the drug-pushers, armed robbers, murderers, etc.

they're given a great deal of power to stop crime... what good came of tasering this guy? If they know martial arts (and they should) all they had to do was get him in a good arm bar and he'd have been immobilized. Stun him for stealing a salad? A salad?

Did they ask him to give it back before launching their assault?

wtf does tasered mean ?

just a minute...do you mean tazer-ed...like with those zappy things...?

Nope. He means tasered, as in shot with a Taser (http://www.taser.com/index.htm).

(Teh Cameron Clan, don't apologise for correct spellings when someone tries to correct you. Just let them embarass themselves when their incorrect correction is pointed out. ;))

It's hard to draw any reliable conclusions from a single source (in particular, there are questions as to how the struggle began), but at the moment, I see two possibilities:
1) Gale took some food and refused to pay for it. The manager calls the police. The police come and ask Gale to step outside. Gale refuses to cooperate. The police subdue Gale.
2) Gale paid for the food, but didn't hold onto the proof of payment (or he held onto the proof but didn't think it important). It's a busy establishment, so the manager doesn't remember if Gale paid, and asks Gale for proof of payment. Gale refuses (either from stuipidity or stubbornness). The manager calls the police. The police come and ask Gale to step outside. Gale refuses to cooperate. The police subdue Gale.

Remember that Gale refused to show the manager any proof that Gale paid for the food (this proof is usually in the form of a reciept given to you by the cashier), so there was reasonable suspicion that Gale was stealing food from a commercial establishment. Whether or not the suspicion is correct has to be determined by the police and the police are hardly out-of-line to ask you to step outside to discuss the matter. Either way, I don't see how this is the fault of the police.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

What I want to know is how any one knows he was stealing SALAD from A CHUCK E CHEESE SALAD BAR. I've been to chuck'e'cheese, the salad bar is just sitting out there with soda machines, nowhere near the register where you buy stuff and not in sight of it and there is no telling whether any one there paid for salad or drinks or what not

After further reading; LMFAO! Trespassing at Chuck'E'Cheese, they don't exactly charge you to enter, you can just walk in and sit down if you want to. Hell, now they have a thing where they give you tokens jsut for entering, come on, TRESSPASSING?

What I want to know is how any one knows he was stealing SALAD from A CHUCK E CHEESE SALAD BAR. I've been to chuck'e'cheese, the salad bar is just sitting out there with soda machines, nowhere near the register where you buy stuff and not in sight of it and there is no telling whether any one there paid for salad or drinks or what not

please refer to post #7 it explans everything

"According to witnesses (Gale) refused to cooperate with police and a struggle ensued."

According to the man's sister, the police were being brutal. But, as the news story has her as the only witness saying that, and the other witnesses saying that the man refused to cooperate, the police are well in line to subdue someone who is struggling with them.

I would rather be hit with a Taser than pepper sprayed (I've experienced both), and I certainly would rather that than being choked, kicked, or beaten with a baton.

I doubt that the man was abused by police as his sister states. I've seen this sort of thing too many times - it's usually some stupid guy who doesn't realize that if you cooperate, the ride downtown is usually a simple and short affair.


Where did it say that Felicia Mayo was his sister? She said that Gale was tazered in her sisters lap. Never said it was his sister.

"According to witnesses (Gale) refused to cooperate with police and a struggle ensued," said Larry Martinez, a police spokesman. He said that Gale became argumentative and shoved one of the officers, a fact disputed by another patron.
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"One of the officers kept poking the gentleman in the chest," Felicia Mayo told the Rocky Mountain News.

She was there with her 7-year-old son. She told the newspaper that Gale told the officer, "You don't have to do that." She said Gale never put his hands on the officer who was confronting him.

The argument escalated until Gale was shoved into the lap of Mayo's sister, who was sitting two booths away, holding a 10-month-old baby. That's when police pulled out a Taser stun gun to subdue him.

"They beat this man in front of all these kids then Tased him in my sister's lap," Mayo told the newspaper. "They had no regard for the effect this would have on the kids. This is Chuck E. Cheese, you know."

It's one witness.

I can't believe for a minute he didn't ask for it - having seen this sort of thing so many times over the years.

Not your ordinary stun gun. Much, much more effective.
Indeed. I've been hit by a taser once. It was enough. But I've been hit numerous times with a stun gun. It's kind of fun. :) Tingly.

Indeed. I've been hit by a taser once. It was enough. But I've been hit numerous times with a stun gun. It's kind of fun. :) Tingly.

Just wait. The new Active Denial system is very toasty. I don't recommend it, as it felt like all my hair was being taken off with a blowtorch.

The government here plans to use it for crowd control. Now imagine the next anti-IMF demonstration.

It doesn't leave any marks or damage (not on me anyway), but it was the same sensation as someone holding a hot steam iron to one whole side of your body.