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How many of you Canadians are upset with the Liberals? If a coalition was formed to sue the Liberal party and those found to be guilty by the investigation would you be for it or against it? The money of course would be pumped back to tax payers by way of tax cut or put into programs.

I and several others are considering such action as well as holding them personally responsible for the deaths caused by their cancelling the new helicopter program. We believe that this would send a VERY clear message to all politicians present and future that they will be held accountable for their actions. What would happen to a private citizen that pulled half of this crap while working for a corporation?

How many of you Canadians are upset with the Liberals? If a coalition was formed to sue the Liberal party and those found to be guilty by the investigation would you be for it or against it? The money of course would be pumped back to tax payers by way of tax cut or put into programs.

I and several others are considering such action as well as holding them personally responsible for the deaths caused by their cancelling the new helicopter program. We believe that this would send a VERY clear message to all politicians present and future that they will be held accountable for their actions. What would happen to a private citizen that pulled half of this crap while working for a corporation?

Not me?

What heliocopter program?

How many of you Canadians are upset with the Liberals? If a coalition was formed to sue the Liberal party and those found to be guilty by the investigation would you be for it or against it? The money of course would be pumped back to tax payers by way of tax cut or put into programs.

I and several others are considering such action as well as holding them personally responsible for the deaths caused by their cancelling the new helicopter program. We believe that this would send a VERY clear message to all politicians present and future that they will be held accountable for their actions. What would happen to a private citizen that pulled half of this crap while working for a corporation?
Do you have a link to what this is about?

I can hardly get pissed off if I don't know what you're talking about. :)

I'm Canadian.

We don't get pissed off, eh?

What heliocopter program?

In the latter days of the Mulroney Government, they entered into a billion some odd dollar contract to purchase a fleet of choppers to replace the Sea King fleet. One of the first things the Liberal government did was to cancel the contract which cost more than honouring it, excluding maintenance, training, etc.

Good luck with the suit, given I don't believe you'll get very far.

Good luck with the suit, given I don't believe you'll get very far.
That is very possible but the group is growing and we have just begun to let people outside our contacts know about it!
I'm Canadian.
We don't get pissed off, eh?
Well that is very true to a point. But like people it isn't the ones quick to anger you need to worry about. When we Canadians finally blow you don't want to be the ones we blow at!

Do you have a link to what this is about?

I can hardly get pissed off if I don't know what you're talking about. :)
1) this whole sponsorship embezlement issue. (check any news organization for the last few months.)
2) the helicopter program actually cost us about 1 billion in cancellation fees not to mention the lost payments we had already made. We essentially paid for the new choppers and got nada out of it. Aside from some more dead pilots and crew not to mention that the choppers spend more time in repair than in the air--pathetic choices. If the owner or manager of a plant made a decision that cost the lives of his employees just because he chose to save a couple of dollars or keep some friends who were giving him a kickback then he would be charged with their deaths at some level.
Info on the original program:
http://www.ploughshares.ca/CONTENT/MONITOR/monm99g.html
info on the cancellation:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/labrador.html
the difference in these articles shows a major reason that we would never be able to successfully charge anyone. The numbers are different in almost every report you find.

Yah, that was one thing the Liberals did that pissed me off.

If they had just told the truth a bit more, and maintained a reasonable military budget, instead of slowly whitling it away to buy rice and cake and shit, then I would like them a hell of alot more.


But all the same, they are the best we have at the moment, in my opnion.

I guess I shouldn's have posted here today. I'm pretty mellow.


I just wish I wasn't so sick.

Canadians are not required to provide UN peacekeepers. I say stop.
Canada doesn't need a submarine of any sort for any reason.
A good maritime patrol force, with a few good ships and helicopters for that purpose (along the lines of the US Coast Guard's equipment) would be good. I believe the RCMP performs border patrol missions, so you don't need an Army. You don't really need an Air Force.

You could probably eliminate most of the Canadian military, and save yourselves a lot of money.

Oh, the United States would love that, wouldn't it Whispering Legs?

A way to hurt the Liberal Party? Of course i'm in. :)

Although i blame diefenbaker for starting it...cancelling the Arrow, what an idiot.

Yah, that was one thing the Liberals did that pissed me off.

If they had just told the truth a bit more, and maintained a reasonable military budget, instead of slowly whitling it away to buy rice and cake and shit, then I would like them a hell of alot more.


But all the same, they are the best we have at the moment, in my opnion.I would have to say that the Conservatives are a lot better than the other choices now that the Alliance has been folded in and given some voice. I would be more likely to trust a prime-minister from the green party or Guiness Party than another liberal, particulairly Martin.
I guess I shouldn's have posted here today. I'm pretty mellow.

I just wish I wasn't so sick.
You have my most sincere sympathies! My wife and son are still recovering after almost 2 weeks and I have spent much of that time fighting it off! I hope you aren't as bad as them cause that would REALLY suck for you!

A way to hurt the Liberal Party? Of course i'm in. :)

Although i blame diefenbaker for starting it...cancelling the Arrow, what an idiot.
Don't get me started on that fiasco!!!! If any Canadian should have been assassinated....

Oh, the United States would love that, wouldn't it Whispering Legs?

It's a perfectly valid position.

Canada isn't going to be attacked by any nation. Please. You're safer than Costa Rica.

No one is going to drop bombs on Canada. So you don't need an air force.

What you need a submarine for is beyond me.

The rest of the Canadian armed forces (aside from those needed for coastal maritime patrol) seem to be token participants in peacekeeping operations - or slavish add-ons for US forces involved in overseas intervention.

Really. Do you really want to be an adjunct (albeit small) to US forces?

Do you really think the UN peacekeeping is worth it? Eh?

If I were a Canadian, I wouldn't spend any funds on anything outside of coastal maritime patrol. Zero. Nada. Rien.

Don't get me started on that fiasco!!!! If any Canadian should have been assassinated....

That was that cool interceptor from the fifties. AVRO right? Canceling that was boderline retarded.

That was that cool interceptor from the fifties. AVRO right? Canceling that was boderline retarded.

See? And yet another great moment in history when the United States talked you into buying crap you don't need.

Now that you don't have any realistic enemies intruding on Canadian airspace, you probably could sell off those F-18 fighters that you bought from the US.

Canadians are not required to provide UN peacekeepers. I say stop.
Canada doesn't need a submarine of any sort for any reason.
A good maritime patrol force, with a few good ships and helicopters for that purpose (along the lines of the US Coast Guard's equipment) would be good. I believe the RCMP performs border patrol missions, so you don't need an Army. You don't really need an Air Force.

You could probably eliminate most of the Canadian military, and save yourselves a lot of money.
Required? No, but we have always been the world's peacekeepers! We were the ones who first started it so it is up to us to help maintain the tradition and standards. The subs are necessary to help protect our borders and the arctic. The Sea Kings are used in sea and land Search and Rescues and have crashed while preforming these duties, endangering the lost as well as the crews. And the RCMP is only responsible to do partial patrols along the US border. The military takes care of the west, north and east, including the Alaskan border and the ALERT stations (monitor missle launches in the Northern hemisphere and warns if they are headed to North America).

See? And yet another great moment in history when the United States talked you into buying crap you don't need.

Now that you don't have any realistic enemies intruding on Canadian airspace, you probably could sell off those F-18 fighters that you bought from the US.


what? The AVRO was a Canadian project, i think it was the first fighter plane that would have the ability to go Mach 1. At least that's what i think it did.

But seriously, Canada has no point really for a military... at most it likes doing aid, so Cargo Planes and basic Rifles should be enough to keep the Canadians happy. No need for Submarines...or Destroyers, just Cargo Ships, Planes and junk like that.

If a Canadian wants to do actual combat, Canada should have a joint operation, where those types would be under American control.

Would sound fair...Supplies under Canadians and Combat under America. Or something along those lines anyways..

It's a perfectly valid position.

Canada isn't going to be attacked by any nation. Please. You're safer than Costa Rica.

No one is going to drop bombs on Canada. So you don't need an air force.

What you need a submarine for is beyond me.

The rest of the Canadian armed forces (aside from those needed for coastal maritime patrol) seem to be token participants in peacekeeping operations - or slavish add-ons for US forces involved in overseas intervention.

Really. Do you really want to be an adjunct (albeit small) to US forces?

Do you really think the UN peacekeeping is worth it? Eh?

If I were a Canadian, I wouldn't spend any funds on anything outside of coastal maritime patrol. Zero. Nada. Rien.


I don't think you quite understand Canada's peacekeeping things.

Canada actually keeps the peace in countries that need it, even if the operation brings us nothing, unlike the united states.

Were rather found of our peacekeepers up here.

And once Canada had no army, it would only amplify the constant arguments that seeing as our proximity to America protects us from harm, we should be America's bitch. You guys (the american ruling clique) would screw us over infinitly more than you do now.

Say, for example, we legalized reafer, you guys would destroy our economy with sanctions and border lockouts, and practically put is under martial law, until we changed our mind.



If anythin

And the United States will not be around forever. We need to start preparing for when you collaspe, creating instituitions to protect us, i.e. a federal army.

I think the Canadian goverments of the past century have been far, far to much of pussies.

And since when do we get to chose how our tax dollars are spent? Do you think we have that choice? If we did, I think our army would be bigger.

Did you mean if you were Prime Minister of Canada, Crazy Legs?

If so, well, if I were President of America, I would try to station as many troops as I could in Canada, and then bully them into having a good deal less influence in there own country.

That's what I'd do.

what? The AVRO was a Canadian project, i think it was the first fighter plane that would have the ability to go Mach 1. At least that's what i think it did.

But seriously, Canada has no point really for a military... at most it likes doing aid, so Cargo Planes and basic Rifles should be enough to keep the Canadians happy. No need for Submarines...or Destroyers, just Cargo Ships, Planes and junk like that.

If a Canadian wants to do actual combat, Canada should have a joint operation, where those types would be under American control.

Would sound fair...Supplies under Canadians and Combat under America. Or something along those lines anyways..

I think the first supersonic interceptor was the EE Lighting from the UK. (Britian had a great aerospace industry until the socialists fucked it up, ah well C'est plus la change).

The Arrow however was probably the most modern inteceptor of its day. Until it was cancelled, for some crappy US missiles.

That was that cool interceptor from the fifties. AVRO right? Canceling that was boderline retarded.
Borderline? The main logic behind it, and it was VERY accuarte at the time and even now, was that the Communists would have had NO problem infiltrating our intel and getting access to some of the most advanced tech available at the time. So while that makes sense in a way we could have driven a couple of americian avionics firms into bankruptcy instead of ours going that way and all our techs moving south of the border. Oh well I better stop before I get all woked up about that again!

You have my most sincere sympathies! My wife and son are still recovering after almost 2 weeks and I have spent much of that time fighting it off! I hope you aren't as bad as them cause that would REALLY suck for you!

Oh, how kind of you to say! Sorry to hear about your children and wife.

I doubt I am that bad, though, else I doubt I could watch TV and use this computer and the same time.

The subs are necessary to help protect our borders and the arctic.

From whom?

The Sea Kings are used in sea and land Search and Rescues and have crashed while preforming these duties, endangering the lost as well as the crews. And the RCMP is only responsible to do partial patrols along the US border.

Ok, so you need these for coastal maritime patrol. But from what I hear, Canada has already radically cut back patrolling the US border.

The military takes care of the west, north and east, including the Alaskan border and the ALERT stations (monitor missle launches in the Northern hemisphere and warns if they are headed to North America).
I would bet that the radar stations could just as easily be manned by US personnel, as the DEW line is. Make the US pay for the stations. It's their ground that would be where the missiles come down in any case.

what? The AVRO was a Canadian project, i think it was the first fighter plane that would have the ability to go Mach 1. At least that's what i think it did.

But seriously, Canada has no point really for a military... at most it likes doing aid, so Cargo Planes and basic Rifles should be enough to keep the Canadians happy. No need for Submarines...or Destroyers, just Cargo Ships, Planes and junk like that.

If a Canadian wants to do actual combat, Canada should have a joint operation, where those types would be under American control.

Would sound fair...Supplies under Canadians and Combat under America. Or something along those lines anyways..What she meant was that the yanks talked us out of building the avro and instead into buying the F-18's and the freedom fighters.
Actually it was mach 3 and it wasn't just it's speed but it's flying ceiling and maneourvablility! Superior in every way and miles ahead overall!

Borderline? The main logic behind it, and it was VERY accuarte at the time and even now, was that the Communists would have had NO problem infiltrating our intel and getting access to some of the most advanced tech available at the time. So while that makes sense in a way we could have driven a couple of americian avionics firms into bankruptcy instead of ours going that way and all our techs moving south of the border. Oh well I better stop before I get all woked up about that again!


Hmmm.....

Godamn fucking Defy boy.

He builds himself a godamn nuclear bunker, and destroys a great piece of technodlogy.

I will never forgive him for that, and my forgiveness means alot. Trust me, it does.

What she meant was that the yanks talked us out of building the avro and instead into buying the F-18's and the freedom fighters.
Actually it was mach 3 and it wasn't just it's speed but it's flying ceiling and maneourvablility! Superior in every way and miles ahead overall!

Actually, we talked you out of making the Arrow, and into buying Bomarc missiles instead.
http://www.maverick2.com/arrow_history.htm
The F-18 came way, way later.

I and several others are considering such action as well as holding them personally responsible for the deaths caused by their cancelling the new helicopter program. We believe that this would send a VERY clear message to all politicians present and future that they will be held accountable for their actions. What would happen to a private citizen that pulled half of this crap while working for a corporation?

The EH-101 ruckus happened...oh, what? Twelve years ago? It's hardly a 'new' helicopter program. In fact, this is all old news - the Liberals you're so fond of hating have decided to replace the old Seakings. Read this excerpt (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/seaking.html): "In July 2004, newly appointed Defence Minister Bill Graham announced that Ottawa will spend $3.2 billion on 28 Sikorsky S-92 helicopters, to be known as Cyclones. The medium-lift utility helicopter was inspired by the design of the company's Black Hawk and Seahawk helicopters."

So give us all a break. I don't think you're even Canadian, just another American itching to find fault with us, trying to exploit non-issues to the hilt.

I'm not biting. You'll need stronger bait. Oh, and good luck with your supposed lawsuit.

Yah, that happened some time ago.

Actually, we talked you out of making the Arrow, and into buying Bomarc missiles instead.
http://www.maverick2.com/arrow_history.htm
The F-18 came way, way later.
Yes but we wouldn't have needed them if we had the Avro and subsequent jets that we would have created had the firm not gone under due to the loss of the avro arrow. That was her point, I think. But the missles were just pathetic and not worth mentioning.

Canadians are not required to provide UN peacekeepers. I say stop.
Canada doesn't need a submarine of any sort for any reason.
A good maritime patrol force, with a few good ships and helicopters for that purpose (along the lines of the US Coast Guard's equipment) would be good. I believe the RCMP performs border patrol missions, so you don't need an Army. You don't really need an Air Force.

You could probably eliminate most of the Canadian military, and save yourselves a lot of money.

And then Canada gets invaded by another country and none of the currect incested cousins know how to pick up a rifle and fight off the invaders!

And then Canada gets invaded by another country and none of the currect incested cousins know how to pick up a rifle and fight off the invaders!
And who would invade Canada?

And who would invade Canada?

Not to mention, why would anyone invade Canada?

they would invade canada cos there are less americans* living there.

(and cos of the oil of course)

*meaning USA citizens

The EH-101 ruckus happened...oh, what? Twelve years ago? It's hardly a 'new' helicopter program. In fact, this is all old news - the Liberals you're so fond of hating have decided to replace the old Seakings. Read this excerpt (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/seaking.html): "In July 2004, newly appointed Defence Minister Bill Graham announced that Ottawa will spend $3.2 billion on 28 Sikorsky S-92 helicopters, to be known as Cyclones. The medium-lift utility helicopter was inspired by the design of the company's Black Hawk and Seahawk helicopters."

So give us all a break. I don't think you're even Canadian, just another American itching to find fault with us, trying to exploit non-issues to the hilt.

I'm not biting. You'll need stronger bait. Oh, and good luck with your supposed lawsuit.
Actually it was Alliance Memebers of Parliment that had mentioned the possibility of charges against the liberals in regards to the deaths of our people that prompted the liberals to "suddenly" decide it was a good idea to make it look like their "brand new" idea to replace the choppers was all them and innovative. As for me not being a Canuck; Calgary Alberta and if you want to flamebait someone don't try with me. The idea is gaining strength and has the potential to bring the liberals down once and for all-no more dictator liberals.

Oh and your link doesn't work so your point is half dead!

Actually it was Alliance Memebers of Parliment that had mentioned the possibility of charges against the liberals in regards to the deaths of our people that prompted the liberals to "suddenly" decide it was a good idea to make it look like their "brand new" idea to replace the choppers was all them and innovative. As for me not being a Canuck; Calgary Alberta and if you want to flamebait someone don't try with me. The idea is gaining strength and has the potential to bring the liberals down once and for all-no more dictator liberals.

The government of Canada and the Liberal Party of Canada have been taken to court on any number of occasions, without governments being toppled, and without the Liberals deciding to pack their ball and glove and go home. I don't see how this is any different.

So, you're from the prairies and you don't like the Libs and you're frustrated by the inability of the Reform/Alliance/new Tories to form a national government. Well, the picture gains clarity. The new Tories are different from the Progressive Conservative party of old, a fact not at all lost on eastern voters. The new Tories aren't socially-progressive, fiscally-conservative like their predecessors - they are conservative on both counts, which has intimidated voters in the east.

Basically, we don't trust these new conservatives, who have been loathe to make public their official position on policy. We hear more than enough from the new Tory backbenchers to know that they aren't the sort of people we want in power.

Put simply, the new Tories aren't a national political party - they are a regional 'rump-end' party (yes, with a small handful of satellite MPs seated in the Atlantic provinces...traditionally old Tory territory) with little hope of attracting Ontarian or Quebecois votes. Hey, I think some fresh blood in government might be good, too- but until the new Tories wake up and address the needs of the original, national social-progressive, fiscal-conservative Tory constituency, dump their deadweight knucklewalkers, and quit trying to appease the Albertan anti-homosexual lobby, they'll never have the opportunity to form a government.

Oh, and what happened to the old Tory party doesn't help anyone feel any more comfortable about the new one, either.

Oh and your link doesn't work so your point is half dead!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/seaking.html

Looking more closely, the link had acquired a colon and end-parentheses as part of the URL. This is now corrected. My point is once again, living and breathing without life-support.

The government of Canada and the Liberal Party of Canada have been taken to court on any number of occasions, without governments being toppled, and without the Liberals deciding to pack their ball and glove and go home. I don't see how this is any different.

So, you're from the prairies and you don't like the Libs and you're frustrated by the inability of the Reform/Alliance/new Tories to form a national government. Well, the picture gains clarity. The new Tories are different from the Progressive Conservative party of old, a fact not at all lost on eastern voters. The new Tories aren't socially-progressive, fiscally-conservative like their predecessors - they are conservative on both counts, which has intimidated voters in the east.

Basically, we don't trust these new conservatives, who have been loathe to make public their official position on policy. We hear more than enough from the new Tory backbenchers to know that they aren't the sort of people we want in power.

Put simply, the new Tories aren't a national political party - they are a regional 'rump-end' party (yes, with a small handful of satellite MPs seated in the Atlantic provinces...traditionally old Tory territory) with little hope of attracting Ontarian or Quebecois votes. Hey, I think some fresh blood in government might be good, too- but until the new Tories wake up and address the needs of the original, national social-progressive, fiscal-conservative Tory constituency, dump their deadweight knucklewalkers, and quit trying to appease the Albertan anti-homosexual lobby, they'll never have the opportunity to form a government.

Oh, and what happened to the old Tory party doesn't help anyone feel any more comfortable about the new one, either.
Atually it is only the ON's that are afraid and kept the Cretian-dictatorship in power for so long. Ya'll are so afraid of change not many people can remember the last PM that wasn't a Quebecer which is what lead to the whole sponsorship incident--DUH! So you would like to change the conservatives into what? An democratic party maybe some new party like a New Democratic Party? The anti-homesexual lobby is not just Albertan and we did drop the knucklewalkers there-go the new party.

I'm sick and tired of the Liberals. But I fear and loathe the new Regressive Conservative (opposite of Progressive Conservative) party. I would be much much happier with the NDP (so I'm never gonna be happy).

Well, being a pissed-off Canadian is a lot better than being a pissed-on Canadian.

Unless you're into that sort of stuff.

Yes, I am very pissed off with the Liberals.

They campaigned hard from the left, and even I was a little satisfied when they managed to keep the Tories out. But now, their right wing economic policies are really starting to annoy me. They cut corporate taxes, put valuable money into the military, have absolutely no coherant environmental plan, and make side deals with the province.

They took away probably a few percentage points of NDP voters away, and now they respond with Conservative policy?

This is why we need some direct f-cking democracy, representative democracy only represents us when the bourgeois feel like it.

How many of you Canadians are upset with the Liberals? If a coalition was formed to sue the Liberal party and those found to be guilty by the investigation would you be for it or against it? The money of course would be pumped back to tax payers by way of tax cut or put into programs.

I and several others are considering such action as well as holding them personally responsible for the deaths caused by their cancelling the new helicopter program. We believe that this would send a VERY clear message to all politicians present and future that they will be held accountable for their actions. What would happen to a private citizen that pulled half of this crap while working for a corporation?
The Liberals have done a great job while in office. They have saved billions of dollars by reducing Canada's overall debt, and the cost of servicing that debt. This surplus is now coming back to Canadians with increased monies for health care ($51 Billion infusion), increased monies for infastructures that were starved by over zealous tax cut Provinces, and increased funding for improving the environment.

There are many more programs that will be funded directly as a result of the prudent management by the Liberal government over the past 12 years. Check out the highlights:

Budget 2005 (http://www.fin.gc.ca/budget05/mm/mm_hi_e.htm)

May I remind the honourable poster that for 7 straight years under the Liberal government, Canada was ranked by the UN as the Number 1 country in the world, and although we may have slipped a little, we are still ranked Number 4, which compares more favourably than our southern neighbour which only attained an 8th place ranking.

All in all, things are never perfect, but Canada is still the best country in which to live...IMHO.

It's a perfectly valid position.

Canada isn't going to be attacked by any nation. Please. You're safer than Costa Rica.

No one is going to drop bombs on Canada. So you don't need an air force.

What you need a submarine for is beyond me.

The rest of the Canadian armed forces (aside from those needed for coastal maritime patrol) seem to be token participants in peacekeeping operations - or slavish add-ons for US forces involved in overseas intervention.

Really. Do you really want to be an adjunct (albeit small) to US forces?

Do you really think the UN peacekeeping is worth it? Eh?

If I were a Canadian, I wouldn't spend any funds on anything outside of coastal maritime patrol. Zero. Nada. Rien.

That would fit right into you plan would'nt it! :) Get Canada to completly get rid of our military and then strike...i'm on to you guys!

CanuckHeaven...will you marry me?

Back in the day, I was torn between voting Liberal for social policy versus Tory for fiscal policy. The NDP has always been absurd. Happily, the new Liberal platform is socially progressive and fiscally conservative, the books are balanced once again, and the painful spending cuts have finally paid off. We can once again afford to start spending prudently and sustainably.

Steven Harper is the Devil. Jack Layton is just fine where he is, with a voice in Parliament. Paul Martin is doing just fine, thank you.

I should probably prove why we need a maritime force:

Denmark recently stole an Island in the Canadian Artic, using a hostile warship. Go look it up.

Bloody Vikings, still at it after all these years!

CanuckHeaven...will you marry me?

Back in the day, I was torn between voting Liberal for social policy versus Tory for fiscal policy. The NDP has always been absurd. Happily, the new Liberal platform is socially progressive and fiscally conservative, the books are balanced once again, and the painful spending cuts have finally paid off. We can once again afford to start spending prudently and sustainably.

Steven Harper is the Devil. Jack Layton is just fine where he is, with a voice in Parliament. Paul Martin is doing just fine, thank you.
Well I have to concur with all that you have stated. :)

As far as the marriage proposal is concerned, I will have to say thanks for the offer but my heart kinda belongs to a sweet Filipina :fluffle: , who I met 3 and 1/2 years ago.

Well I have to concur with all that you have stated. :)

As far as the marriage proposal is concerned, I will have to say thanks for the offer but my heart kinda belongs to a sweet Filipina :fluffle: , who I met 3 and 1/2 years ago.

It would probably throw a curve into my plan to bring my guy in NY to Vancouver and marry him, too (another reason to love the Liberals). =)

The Liberals have done a great job while in office. They have saved billions of dollars by reducing Canada's overall debt, and the cost of servicing that debt. This surplus is now coming back to Canadians with increased monies for health care ($51 Billion infusion), increased monies for infastructures that were starved by over zealous tax cut Provinces, and increased funding for improving the environment.

There are many more programs that will be funded directly as a result of the prudent management by the Liberal government over the past 12 years. Check out the highlights:

Budget 2005 (http://www.fin.gc.ca/budget05/mm/mm_hi_e.htm)

May I remind the honourable poster that for 7 straight years under the Liberal government, Canada was ranked by the UN as the Number 1 country in the world, and although we may have slipped a little, we are still ranked Number 4, which compares more favourably than our southern neighbour which only attained an 8th place ranking.

All in all, things are never perfect, but Canada is still the best country in which to live...IMHO.I wasn't sure if I was going to bring up the UN ranking issue but since you did let's talk about it! Yes we were ranked number 1 for many years and that continued into the liberal government but it takes time for polocies to be intro'd and then even longer for their effects to take hold and effect. So something major done today probably won't be fully effective for 4+ years. So those who have been following the political situation in Canada have seen this:
1) The Canadians have been stripped of billions of dollars both directly and indirectly. AdScam-direct, while they cut funding all over the place so that they could turn around and "add" money to them and make themselves look good. The reason most provinces needed the money so badly was that the liberals had cut the transfer payments by so much. Provinces like Alberta (yes a blind person could have seen thru that badly veiled comment) had almost no money coming back from the feds despite the huge amounts we were pumping into it. We were getting about .10 per dollar that we were putting in while Quebec and Ontario were getting .75-.90 per dollar and some maritime provinces 1.1-1.25 per dollar. Sound equal to you? Any wonder we have wanted them gone? Tell you what you pay me all the money you have and I will return the same ratio back to you, how does that sound? All of you (those reading this) are now telling me where to go and how to get there but what if you didn't have a choice because another province was being bought to re-elect the same dictatorship over and over dispite the fact that those they voted in voted as their party said to and not how thei constituents said to.
2) International relations have been potentially permanently damaged or destroyed and we have become know as a joke instead of the caring beloved brother that everyone can turn to when needed.
3) International trade has taken a MAJOR hit heading towards a trade deficit little heard of in a major country.
There is more but I must go for the day, later kiddies!
And no we are not the best country in the world in which to live by a long shot now!

Not me?

Same here. The liberals are the best choice we have, maybe the greens but they're not big enough.

Same here. The liberals are the best choice we have, maybe the greens but they're not big enough.
Best choice: three letters.

NDP

Same here. The liberals are the best choice we have, maybe the greens but they're not big enough.
The Green Party's economic proposals scare me. Cutting corporate taxes? WTF?

Okay, I'm a dumb American. Are the Liberals in Canada anything like the Liberals in the US? If they are, then what's the problem? :cool:

Okay, I'm a dumb American. Are the Liberals in Canada anything like the Liberals in the US? If they are, then what's the problem? :cool:
No the Liberals use the name but stand for nothing!