NationStates Jolt Archive

Ive been watching for a while now, and just wanted to know three reasons why your country is better then the United States, no offense, but if you cant find three things you are better at (no sports please) then your country truly isnt better. ALL countries have bad points, but not all have better things then the USA.

:headbang: Im sick of the US bashing

watch how they gonna try to push 'socialism' as a thing they have that's better, not realizing that socialism sucks, leftism has failed.

My country is better because:
1) I'm in it
2) I'm in it
3) I'm in it

Oh wait, I'm in the USA anyway.

1] Equal Rights Amendment in the Constitution that guarantees equality of the genders. Something the US has refused time and time again.

2] Income tax is solely by voluntary lottery ticket purchase, rather than crowbarred out of my paycheck.

3] When our legislators protest something, they really protest something. Action speaks louder than words and rhetoric.

GOD BLESS TEXAS!!

Booyah!

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1) Legal marijuaha

2) Drinking age of 16

3) I live there

"I live there" isnt a good enough reason :rolleyes:

There are several people who beg to differ :p

1) Legal marijuaha

I appreciate the irony in the fact that you can't spell marijuana.

1) Legal marijuaha

2) Drinking age of 16

3) I live there

'marijuaha' (sic) slowly kills your brain, and non fully developed bodies suffer in development from excessive alcohol consumption.

Along with point 3, 3 things which your country has that the US fortunately does not have.

1] Equal Rights Amendment in the Constitution that guarantees equality of the genders. Something the US has refused time and time again.



BECAUSE IT ISN'T NECESSARY! we have equal rights already, men and women are different, but get equal treatment.

watch how they gonna try to push 'socialism' as a thing they have that's better, not realizing that socialism sucks, leftism has failed.
Why don't you move to China?

They have

1.) No minimum wage
2.) Fascist government
3.) No welfare

BECAUSE IT ISN'T NECESSARY! we have equal rights already, men and women are different, but get equal treatment.

If it wasn't necessary, people wouldn't keep asking for it, silly.

I submit for you incontrovertable proof that the United States is better than any European nation:

We let disco die in the seventies instead of dragging its sorry corpse onto the dance floor every weekend.

'marijuaha' (sic) slowly kills your brain
BZZT!
Wrong.

I appreciate the irony in the fact that you can't spell marijuana.
Have you ever looked at a keyboard and see how close the h and the n are? :rolleyes:

Besides wages at times, equality in the US is very good.

Okie ... so let's cede #1 to the masses and take it out ... means I've got to come up with one more ...

I can come up with 10, but since I only need 1 ....

Our leader can not only not write legislation, but cannot legally campaign on behalf of legislation.

TEXAS WINS! Wooooooo!

ok, who is gonna tell him the US controls Texas?

Have you ever looked at a keyboard and see how close the h and the n are? :rolleyes:

Yes. I also notice that they're on completely different rows...

Yes. I also notice that they're on completely different rows...
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your point?

BZZT!
Wrong.

you are the one who is wrong, it has been proven that marijuaha interferes with your judgement and structural use structurally interferes.

If it wasn't necessary, people wouldn't keep asking for it, silly.
no one I know asks for it, except moonbat lefties/

you are the one who is wrong, it has been proven that marijuaha interferes with your judgement and structural use structurally interferes.

You must be smoking up then, because structurally, that sentence makes no sense.

you are the one who is wrong, it has been proven that marijuaha interferes with your judgement
But only whil eyou're under the influence.
and structural use structurally interferes.
:confused:

you are the one who is wrong, it has been proven that marijuaha interferes with your judgement and structural use structurally interferes.
Like how Hitler interfered with millions of lives?

ok, who is gonna tell him the US controls Texas?

That's what you think.

structural use structurally interferes.
Wat

you are the one who is wrong, it has been proven that marijuaha interferes with your judgement and structural use structurally interferes.

in my view, "interferes with your judgement" and "slowly kills your brain" are two very different things...

Lets see, I can see boobs on TV (granted, not all the time)and there havn't been mass "think of the children" protests.

There's still a modicum of common sense justice, you can't just sue anyone for anything and get compensation (although how long that'll last, who knows as it's becoming increasingly popular)

A minor point, but no-ones tried to take "God" out of "God save the queen", neither has a particular religious group enforced their beliefs on people. Christians, muslims, etc live together (albeit under tension in places) with relative tollerance.

Uh i have friends who are Muslim, Protestant and Hindu, we are pretty tolerant here also :)

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your point?

Typos most commonly occur by hitting keys adjacent to one another on the same row, or hitting keys out of order (i.e. 'teh'), so unless your a hunt-and-peck typer, the chances of hitting a key on a completely different row are practically nil, unless you type with boxing gloves on.

the reason the UK is better than the USA is simple, we are a mature Consitutional Monarchy that long ago gave up fighting and you are an ex colony that still thinks in terms of empire/spheres of influence without thinking through the consequences properly. just like any other adolecent. I give as an example Vietnam and Iraq. The words once bitten twice shy spring to mind but no you do the same thing twice

Typos most commonly occur by hitting keys adjacent to one another on the same row, or hitting keys out of order (i.e. 'teh'), so unless your a hunt-and-peck typer, the chances of hitting a key on a completely different row are practically nil, unless you type with boxing gloves on.
How about when you're drunk and high?

I live in Scotland which is much better than the USA for many reasons including:

1. We have no death penalty

2. We still have a fairly large Socialist movement

3. We have no powerful religious right that tries to dictate its "moral" nonsense on society

Because Anything And Everything Is Legal. You Can Get Away With Any Thing In My Country. You Want To Know Why Because I Am The Boss And What I Say Is Legal Goes. You Feel Me ;)

1. you can steal £26.5 million and the police wont bother you
2. "gun control"
3. "no capital punishment"

the reason the UK is better than the USA is simple, we are a mature Consitutional Monarchy that long ago gave up fighting and you are an ex colony that still thinks in terms of empire/spheres of influence without thinking through the consequences properly. just like any other adolecent. I give as an example Vietnam and Iraq. The words once bitten twice shy spring to mind but no you do the same thing twice

you invented concentration camps, slavery, segregation, you invaded lots of countries, occupied them and stole their riches to profit yourself.

You are stuck with a bunch of half braindead royals who do nothing all their life yet you revere them because...now wait for it... THEY INHERIT A TITLE!! WOW WAT A FRIGGIN ACCOMPLISHMENT! You discriminate based on class, you believe people with an hereditary title are better than others and should be given privileges like the position of head of state.

Vietnam, France started that by the way. And by the way, you are our puppet to control in the coalition of the willing! Thanx Tony Blair MUAHAHAHAHAHA

2. "gun control"


AHHHH, the great benefits of socialism.

Take honest people's guns away, but ignore that criminals still have them... what a wonderful idea.

I live in Scotland which is much better than the USA for many reasons including:

3. We have no powerful religious right that tries to dictate its "moral" nonsense on society


you do, she is called Elisabeth II and is head of the Anglican church...

AHHHH, the great benefits of socialism.

Take honest people's guns away, but ignore that criminals still have them... what a wonderful idea.
yes...because Northern Ireland is a socialist utopia

thats right, no bigotry or discrimination here

I have to weigh in on this marijuana thing. Being something of an admirer of the substance, I just have to offer up my two cents.

First of all, I don't trust any study conducted on this plant, mainly because so many people have so much at stake concerning it: politicians don't want to admit they're wrong, and people who want it legalized will always tell you that its the most benign substance on the face of the planet. Both of them are probably wrong. As far as its mental effects go, you can't really make any assertations about its effects on your judgement or what-have-you until you actually try it.

As far as effecting your judgement goes, I can't really tell, despite having been a user for about 5 years now. Of all the times I've smoked pot, I can't really say I've ever been in an environment where my decision-making capacity was of utmost importance. Generally, people like to chill out on the couch and smoke while watching TV or socializing, which wouldn't necessarily make any negative judgement effects a bad thing. insofar as this is concerned, really harcore prohibitionists [and idiots] will tell you that it makes you kill people, like in Reefer Madness. Folks, I smoked marijuana every day for close to three years and I never once felt any compunction to so much as raise a hand in aggression against another person. Effects may vary from person to person, but I've seen a very large sample of users, and this is a phenomenon I have yet to witness.

Those ONDCP commercials like with the guys at the drive in running that kid over or the two guys in their dad's study with the gun are alarmist propaganda and need to be treated as such.

Furthermore, its effects on your brain are inconclusive at best, but are altogether irrelevant. I've noticed no decrease in my mental faculties, thus my personal conclusion on the matter is that this is a myth. It does, however, seem to affect memory to some degree, that much I have noticed, but I'm not particularly worried about it.

The bottom line, as far as I'm concerned, is that its wrong to institute a blanket policy outlawing $SUBSTANCE just because it's bad for you. This will only encourage the fringes of society into doing it even more, and is likely to cause more problems than it solves. In my country, for example, we're waging a war against our own citizens to keep this "scourge" in check.

But, back on topic, I'd have to say this is a difficult one to answer since the criteria is so subjective. A lot of countries are better than America in a lot of different ways, and it's hard to quantify everything and take it all into account anyway. "Better" in and of itself is a tremendously subjective term. Given what I've seen of other countries, I do tend to prefer America [due in part because I live in it] but even a 5 year old can find gaping holes in our foreign policy.

I'm just curious: Am I the only one who thinks this thread is a bit nationalistic?

The Merriam-Webster definition:

Main Entry: na·tion·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'nash-n&-"li-z&m, 'na-sh&-n&l-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Source: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=nationalism&x=0&y=0

you do, she is called Elisabeth II and is head of the Anglican church...
The Anglican Church is not the official church of Scotland. That would be the Presbyterian Church. Also, not many people in Europe attend church so religion is not as influential there as it is here in the US. Even the Anglican church is getting more liberal and secularized, Rowan WIlliams Archbishop of Canterbury is a supporter of gay rights, and the Queen of England is now the "Defender of the Faithful" (with other faiths in mind, not just Christianity) instead of "Defender of the Faith."

How about when you're drunk and high?

what country do you live in? i'm moving there.

you do, she is called Elisabeth II and is head of the Anglican church...

The Queen is officially head of the Anglican Church and as an Atheist I am strongly opposed to this which is incompatible with the priciples of seculariam. In Scotland the main protestant church is the Church of Scotland which is not connected with the royal family. I was however referring to the far right evangelical groups in the USA which try to enforce their extreme "moral" agenda on society. There are no fundamentalist Christian groups in the UK that can easily compare with American groups either in size or influence and most people in this country are strongly opposed to their policies. In the UK for example abortion and gay rights are never important electoral issues in the way that they have been turned into by extremists in the USA.

lol, I agree this is nationalistic, but fun at the same time! :p

what country do you live in? i'm moving there.
Holland.... where else?

:fluffle: <- for all the other Dutchies

Well, I guess Hitlerreich accomplished showing how intolerably ignorant he is on just one page! Amazing...

Firstly, please know something about a country before you go off ranting... what Europaland said is true. Elizabeth does not control the nation's morality like the Christian, fundi, right-wing, egomaniacal retards do in this country. At least there, they have a true sense of "freedom of religion" (and they didn't even have to write it down to understand it! Amazing.)

Secondly, noone "reveres" the monarchy in the UK, they take it for what it is: a nice little figurhead. The only people relevant to this conversation that I can think of that give any real power to a person without popular mandate is the USA (Election 2000.)

Oh, and on the gun control issue: please don't sicken me with this "criminals still have guns" BS. In civilized, humane countries (with gun control,) the crime rate is inordinately lower than in this savage place.

Dare say anything about the death penalty and I'll attack, Hitlerreich... ;) (no hard feelings...)

Well, I guess Hitlerreich accomplished showing how intolerably ignorant he is on just one page! Amazing...

Firstly, please know something about a country before you go off ranting... what Europaland said is true. Elizabeth does not control the nation's morality like the Christian, fundi, right-wing, egomaniacal retards do in this country. At least there, they have a true sense of "freedom of religion" (and they didn't even have to write it down to understand it! Amazing.)

Secondly, noone "reveres" the monarchy in the UK, they take it for what it is: a nice little figurhead. The only people relevant to this conversation that I can think of that give any real power to a person without popular mandate is the USA (Election 2000.)

Oh, and on the gun control issue: please don't sicken me with this "criminals still have guns" BS. In civilized, humane countries (with gun control,) the crime rate is inordinately lower than in this savage place.

Dare say anything about the death penalty and I'll attack, Hitlerreich... ;) (no hard feelings...)


Sorry to say, but in the Northeast it is perfectly ok to be whatever religion you want!

Sorry to say, but in the Northeast it is perfectly ok to be whatever religion you want!

All too true... I'm sorry about that... having only lived in London and Atlanta... I haven't really seen what the (by my understanding) more progressive, educated, understanding North has to offer.

Secondly, noone "reveres" the monarchy in the UK, they take it for what it is: a nice little figurhead. The only people relevant to this conversation that I can think of that give any real power to a person without popular mandate is the USA (Election 2000.)


Bush won legitimately in 2000, by winning the only election that matters according to the constitution (in effect for over 200 years), the electoral college.

The national popular vote is irrelevant. With the electoral college we ensure that a president always has backing in more than just 1 area of the country.

Fortunately, attempts by the democrats to steal the election failed (both in 2000 and in 2004). In 2000 thousands of felons voted Gore in Florida, thousands of illegal aliens voted Gore in Florida, the democrats wanted to DISENFRANCHISE overseas military personnel (gee I wonder why) and they tried a scam with recounts in selected handpicked counties on their terms. That don't fly, the supreme court rightfully decided to end that blatant attempt at thievery.

Even the big liberal media recount in the summer 2001 proved Bush won, even the Washington Post and the New York Times reported that. Bush won by a greater margin than the official result.

And in 2004, there is ample evidence that the president carried Wisconsin and Pennsylvania but those were stolen by mass democrat vote fraud in the big cities (Madison, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia).

The Queen is officially head of the church and as an Atheist I am strongly opposed to this which is incompatible with the priciples of seculariam. I was however reffering to the far right evangelical groups in USA which try to enforce their extreme "moral" agenda on society. There are no fundamentalist Christian groups in the UK that can easily compare with American groups either in size ot influence and most people in this country are strongly opposed to their policies. In the UK for example abortion and gay rights are never important electoral issues in the way that they have been turned into by extremists in the USA.

what about far left liberal/green groups that try to force their agenda on society? gay marriage (which 80-90% does not want) and all that? that Kyoto protocol nonsense (debunked by science)?

gay marriage wouldn't have been an issue if radical lefties hadn't put it on the agenda to begin with.

1 Mass-media doesnt controles and intoxicate every man in my country about how my country is the best the greater the bla bla bla, how our wars ar justified, how marijuana is bad for the brain (just because is banned it needs a reason to be banned..dont u ever THINK ppl?)
2 Religion is not a form of manipulation.
3 We know like 10 times more about other nations then you know about anybody else then yourself.
4 We dont have as many ignorants as you do ( in percentage not actual numbers)
5 We dont have the rest of the world against us for our agressive military politics.
6 We dont have as many uptight idiots like u do that will try to convince me that im wrong and iraq really had WoMD and it has nothin to do with enlarging influence spheres and its all about USA defending itself! :rolleyes:

Bush won legitimately in 2000, by winning the only election that matters according to the constitution (in effect for over 200 years), the electoral college.

The national popular vote is irrelevant. With the electoral college we ensure that a president always has backing in more than just 1 area of the country.

Fortunately, attempts by the democrats to steal the election failed (both in 2000 and in 2004). In 2000 thousands of felons voted Gore in Florida, thousands of illegal aliens voted Gore in Florida, the democrats wanted to DISENFRANCHISE overseas military personnel (gee I wonder why) and they tried a scam with recounts in selected handpicked counties on their terms. That don't fly, the supreme court rightfully decided to end that blatant attempt at thievery.

Even the big liberal media recount in the summer 2001 proved Bush won, even the Washington Post and the New York Times reported that. Bush won by a greater margin than the official result.

And in 2004, there is ample evidence that the president carried Wisconsin and Pennsylvania but those were stolen by mass democrat vote fraud in the big cities (Madison, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia).

Now just one second... nowhere in my post did I say Bush did not win the White House legitimately. I said he did not have popular mandate. Granted, the popular vote dosen't count... But in a democracy so perfect I would wonder why...?

what about far left liberal/green groups that try to force their agenda on society? gay marriage (which 80-90% does not want) and all that?
Who cares whether or not the majority wants to give everybody equal rights? It's equal rights, it's seems common sense to grant people equal rights when the Constitution says to...

hah, Iraq's WMD's are in Iran or Syria, think about it: we had proof, everyone acknowleged that after the first gulf war.

Dont think Saddam just threw away his toys!

hah, Iraq's WMD's are in Iran or Syria, think about it: we had proof, everyone acknowleged that after the first gulf war.

Dont think Saddam just threw away his toys!

See ? we dont have ppl like you around. Obviously bullshited by guvernment.
Having so performant spy sattelites u should have notest when the WoMD were transported to other countrys (how convinient that the WoMDs are now in Siria and Iran.. the next countrys u would like to invade) except if they had really big tunnels! made by russians! or by camels! :headbang:
:rolleyes:

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That is by far the cutest thing I've ever seen.

Im only 14, i doubt the goverment has polluted my mind yet!
ROTFL
get urself an icecream and stay out from things that u cant comprehend.
:)

Did you know the word "mandate" was hardly ever in use until the Nixon re-election? Then it became as trendy to use as "paradigm" was in the 1990s.

Funny how even language has its fads, eh?

Hah, how do you know i cant comprehend things because of my age *points and laughs* yeah, i cant understand all of your complex language :rolleyes:

hah, Iraq's WMD's are in Iran or Syria, think about it: we had proof, everyone acknowleged that after the first gulf war.


*snickers*

President: Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction! Action NOW!
*WAR*: Thousands dead, tens of thousands wounded.
Advisors: Hey, ummm, Mr. President, Iraq didn't have WMDs.
President: Oh! Ummm ... they're in Syria ... yeah, that's it ... Syria. Action NOW!

Ah ... the lieing liars and the lies the lie about. I love them all.

Ah ... the lieing liars and the lies the lie about. I love them all.
Yay! Dishonesty!

yes, and no one thought hitler was a threat until 1935, oops

Advisor: er sir, Saddam just invaded Kuwait again
President: How many dead?
Advisor: tens of thousands, he gassed them like he did the kurds...
President: damn, we never saw that coming

:rolleyes:

Hah, how do you know i cant comprehend things because of my age *points and laughs* yeah, i cant understand all of your complex language :rolleyes:

WOAH... Bad form!

First of all, can we NOT resort to personal attacks?

Romania: what does age have to do with anything if they can argue their points well? And Rusienne probably can.

Rusienne: That is horribly low... s/he speaks English 20x better than you could probably speak his/her language... I'm assuming Romanian? And s/he is making an effort.

I wasnt aware this was English class, but if i have to use proper English, it takes me a little more time and effort, and to be honest, i dont want to waste my time!

what about far left liberal/green groups that try to force their agenda on society? gay marriage (which 80-90% does not want) and all that? that Kyoto protocol nonsense (debunked by science)?

gay marriage wouldn't have been an issue if radical lefties hadn't put it on the agenda to begin with.

The left certainly has an opinion on various issues but it doesn't try to enforce its views on society the way the right does. On the issue of gay marriage the reason why many people say they are against it in the USA is because the right is spewing its irrational religious nonsense and lies and is turning it into a huge issue out of nothing. It is absurd that this seems to have been more important in the election than economic policies, healthcare, education, the war and other issues of far more concern to the public.

The Kyoto protocol has certainly not been disproved by scientists who have concluded in many studies that cuts of 80% in emissions are necessary to save the planet while Kyoto only enforces cuts of 5%. Arrogant right wingers think the USA has the right to do whatever it wants regardless of how much damage it will do to the planet and even if it threatens the continued existence of humanity. The right are not prepared to make the slightest sacrifice if this will possibly harm their profits and through their refusal to accept Kyoto they are enforcing devastating consequences on the world.

I wasnt aware this was English class, but if i have to use proper English, it takes me a little more time and effort, and to be honest, i dont want to waste my time!
Capital "I"

Coeurmorant :
ofcourse age has somethin to do with it.. he/she cant really give me a rational argument at this age.. he/she just gives me what he hears on the news. And thats IMO bullshit. Well actualy im pretty sure that if he/she doesnt uses google he/she knows nothin about my country at all.. and knowing my language 20x times less needs more than that ;)

I wasnt aware this was English class, but if i have to use proper English, it takes me a little more time and effort, and to be honest, i dont want to waste my time!

Perfect English? Hardly! Just don't disrespect others for their attempts.

yes, and no one thought hitler was a threat until 1935, oops

Advisor: er sir, Saddam just invaded Kuwait again
President: How many dead?
Advisor: tens of thousands, he gassed them like he did the kurds...
President: damn, we never saw that coming

:rolleyes:

The liberation of Kuwait was what the first Gulf War was about. That's a war I happen to be a veteran of.

This particular little exercise was about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction - maybe you weren't watching CNN or hiding under a rock for the years between 2001 and 2004 - and not much else.

Well ... Saddam didn't have them. Nothing even close to them. He had some empty tubes and some old garbage. No ties to al-Qaeda, no proof of attempts to purchase nuclear material from Nigeria, and no proof of any of the assertations by our honest and patriotic, God fearing President. Unfortunately, the proof lies in the exact opposite.

However, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. Repeat it enough and it becomes a nationalistic ideal, a cause worth dieing for.

But, hey, suit yourself man. You're right ... most of the world didn't realise Hitler was evil until 1935. Wonder how long it will take for the world to realise that the Bush/Cheney contingent is evil ...

I wasnt aware this was English class, but if i have to use proper English, it takes me a little more time and effort, and to be honest, i dont want to waste my time!

It is possible to type proper English quickly. It's just a matter of practise. If you practice it wrong, you will always be wrong. However, if you strive to improve yourself and your language skills, you will get better over time.

Language is like music: The more you work at it, the better you will get.

I do not know much about Romania, but i do know it was a Soviet State and is located in Eastern Europe.

I am sick and tired of people talking about global warming. and everytime i say something about it, the thread isntantly dies. Just take a look at the cover article in this month's scientific american. it states what i have been telling epople for YEARS!!!!

we are coming out of a little ice age. the climate was temperate during the middle ages, we have far to small of a sample to say definitively that we are undergoing a global warming rather than a readjustment.

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However, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. Repeat it enough and it becomes a nationalistic ideal, a cause worth dieing for.

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True.

It is possible to type proper English quickly. It's just a matter of practise. If you practice it wrong, you will always be wrong. However, if you strive to improve yourself and your language skills, you will get better over time.

Language is like music: The more you work at it, the better you will get.
BZZZZZZZZZT!

Not entirely true

It is possible to type proper English quickly. It's just a matter of practise. If you practice it wrong, you will always be wrong. However, if you strive to improve yourself and your language skills, you will get better over time.

Language is like music: The more you work at it, the better you will get.

Thanks for the advice I will strive to "practise" my proper English. :p

I do not know much about Romania, but i do know it was a Soviet State and is located in Eastern Europe.

Romania never was a soviet state ;)

Three reasons, eh? Well, I have two countries, Canada and Mexico, so I guess I have to come with six:

Mexico.
- Better food. Seriously, folks, all your good dishes come from ours.
- A much longer history and cultural heritage. I'm not saying the US doesn't have any, but ours is much longer.
- Better beer: Corona, Sol, Indio, Negra Modelo, Victoria, León, Montejo, etc. each better than any I've tasted from the US.

Canada.
- Health security. Even before I had a good paying job here at least I didn't have to worry about accidents or getting sick.
- Much lower crime. Especially in the cities.
- Canadian rock rocks!

Now, once this has been said, I don't find anything really wrong with the US, each country has its own problems and I would feel very comfortable living there too.

The liberation of Kuwait was what the first Gulf War was about. That's a war I happen to be a veteran of.

This particular little exercise was about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction - maybe you weren't watching CNN or hiding under a rock for the years between 2001 and 2004 - and not much else.

Well ... Saddam didn't have them. Nothing even close to them. He had some empty tubes and some old garbage. No ties to al-Qaeda, no proof of attempts to purchase nuclear material from Nigeria, and no proof of any of the assertations by our honest and patriotic, God fearing President. Unfortunately, the proof lies in the exact opposite.

However, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. Repeat it enough and it becomes a nationalistic ideal, a cause worth dieing for.

But, hey, suit yourself man. You're right ... most of the world didn't realise Hitler was evil until 1935. Wonder how long it will take for the world to realise that the Bush/Cheney contingent is evil ...


they aren't evil by any means, a little misguided, but not evil (cheney may be, he is too smart). I thnk bush said exact;ly what his inteligence said he had. his inteligence botched it up (as did intelligence reports from the clinton administration) so stop blaming it on bush. he jsut said what his advisores told him. it isn;t his job to go out into the fireld and research himself.

If you practice it wrong, you will always be wrong.

"Wrong" is an adjective... not an adverb (incorrectly)...
Just kidding ;)

Thanks for the advice I will strive to "practise" my proper English. :p

You twit. ;)

In British English, "practise" is used for the noun and "practice" for the verb.

eh, oh well... :headbang:

well.. because i dont want you to stop searching knowledge.. Romania was under Soviet influence until 1989 but never a soviet state.

You twit. ;)

In British English, "practise" is used for the noun and "practice" for the verb.
See, Rusiennne? See? Try to write English as well as you can but don't bother with perfection, for English is a backwards language. Not well structured and behaved as German, nor easy to write as Spanish or pleasing to the ear as Italian; but more like a dog-fight, only not as organized.

The word "English" itself uses two different letters for the same phoneme, and is probable pronounced six different ways by the English speakers in the forum!

Thanks Romania, ill remember it was never apart of the USSR, but was under its influence.

I learn more here then in school! :p

1) We don't have people yelling "God bless America", when those people don't have a clue what they really mean and only say it cos everyone else does and it's traditional.

2) We don't have only our interests at heart...which major nation didn't sign the Kyoto agreement because it would hurt their own economy?...oh USA! Everyone else is prepared to make a sacrifice for the good of everyone else. Which major nation bombed Bolivia (where coca leaves are a legal crop) to stop it's own drug problem...oh USA!

3) We seem to get all the friendly and lots of the intelligent Americans in other countries, whereas the ones who stay in the USA seem to be arrogant uninformed idiots.

4) And an extra point...we don't have so many other people around the world hate us!

Which nation...well nearly any that aren't the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread is tempting me to make a thread entitled "List three reasons why I'm better than you". But I won't.

My country is better because:
1) I'm in it
2) I'm in it
3) I'm in it

Oh wait, I'm in the USA anyway.
damn, beat me to it...have a cookie http://www.terrysgourmetcookies.com/ProductImages/CHOCCHIP.jpg

I submit for you incontrovertable proof that the United States is better than any European nation:

We let disco die in the seventies instead of dragging its sorry corpse onto the dance floor every weekend.
I think we have a winner!

Well Brazil is a third world country but I'll try anyway.

1. Biodiversity. (we are actually the best in the world at that)

2. No natural disasters. No earthquakes, no tornados, no hurricanes, no exploding mountains.

3. Religious tolerence. We simply don't care what religion you are, what matters is what you are like as a person.

4. The state of our economy! No defecit, Positive Balance of trade, 8% growth in industrial output in 2004.

5. Our world imge. Only Argentina hates us, no-one else. (and they just hate us because we are better at football)

Will these five do, or do you want more?

you invented concentration camps, slavery, segregation, you invaded lots of countries, occupied them and stole their riches to profit yourself.

Bit in bold: Evidence? :confused: Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but it's very easy to make up any old rubbish if you think you can get away with it.
Bit in italics: Note the tense you're using there. I don't think anyone's saying the English have conducted themselves 100% perfectly over the past 3,000 years, but we're largely happy to hold up our hands and admit that we've been in the wrong in the past. America just keeps on killing and profiteering.

you invented concentration camps, slavery, segregation,
Evidence? :confused: Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but it's very easy to make up any old rubbish if you think you can get away with it.


I acknowledge,as a Brit that we may have invented concentration camps. See the Boer war for this. What the chinese and Japanese etc were doing though is not verry clear.
Slavery. Well Britain is a little older than I thought if we invented this, given that it existed in ancient Egypt.
Segregation. Again this goes back to classical times in Athens and Sparta there was class segregation. Not a British invention I am afraid to say. Sorry old chap.

Exactly what i thought Alien Born :/

I can't I live in America. Too afraid i'll be abducted by MINIPAX(Dept of Homeland Security) and will be taken to room 101 were i'll have a rat eat my face off.

OOC: 100,000,000 points to the person who correctly guess to what i rerfering too!

I can't I live in America. Too afraid i'll be abducted by MINIPAX(Dept of Homeland Security) and will be taken to room 101 were i'll have a rat eat my face off.

OOC: 100,000,000 points to the person who correctly guess to what i rerfering too!

Either "1984" by George Orwell or the movie "A Beautiful Mind"

Either "1984" by George Orwell or the movie "A Beautiful Mind"

yep "1984" ill give u 100,000,000 points. anyway does anyone lese think that america will resemble "1984" in a few years.

1. Higher standard of living than any other country, except Norway.

2. Highest amount of female representation in government (legislative as well as executive), second lowest infant mortality rate and one of the highest life expectancies.

3. Allemansrätten. (http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/natrecspo/nature/every.html)

Damn i'm torn between Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark or Norway to which nation I would like to move too. I might pick Denmark although I heard it's a very difficult language to learn but it has an excellent standard of living and generally very tolerant nation.

I'm in Canada, BTW.

1) We are they only Country to defaet the USA twice.
2) We burnt down the first Whitehouse in the War of 1812, Which we won.
3) We have Unversal Healthcare
And an extra:
4) We supply the US with 40% of their Imports, so if decided we didn't like them, we could cut them off and their cost of living would almost Double.

'marijuaha' (sic) slowly kills your brain, and non fully developed bodies suffer in development from excessive alcohol consumption.


Perhaps you should LEARN a few things BEFORE you go showing your ignorance...

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml

CLAIM #8: MARIJUANA CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE

Critics state that marijuana has been shown to damage brain cells and that this damage, in turn, causes memory loss, cognitive impairment, and difficulties in learning.

THE FACTS

The original basis of this claim was a report that, upon postmortem examinations, structural changes in several brain regions were found in two rhesus monkeys exposed to THC. 51 Because these changes primarily involved the hippocampus, a cortical brain region known to play an important role in learning and memory, this finding suggested possible negative consequences for human marijuana users.

Additional studies, employing rodents, reported similar brain changes.
However, to achieve these results, massive doses of THC - up to 200 times the psychoactive dose in humans - had to be given . In fact, studies employing 100 times the human dose have failed to reveal any damage. 52

In the most recently published study, rhesus monkeys were exposed through face-mask inhalation to the smoke equivalent of four to five joints per day for one year. When sacrificed seven months later, there was no observed alteration of hippocampal architecture, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. The authors conclude:
"while behavioral and neuroendocrinal effects are observed during marijuana smoke exposure in the monkey, residual neuropathological and neurochemical effects of marijuana exposure were not observed seven months after the year-long marijuana smoke regimen." 53
Thus, 20 years after the first report of brain damage in two marijuana-exposed monkeys, the claim of damage to brain cells has been effectively disproven.
No postmortem examinations of the brains of human marijuana users have ever been conducted. However, numerous studies have explored marijuana effect on brain-related cognitive functions. Many employ an experimental design - in which subjects are given marijuana in a laboratory setting, and then compared to controls on a variety of measures involving attention, learning and memory.

In a number of studies, no significant differences were detected. 54 In fact, there is substantial research demonstrating that that marijuana intoxication does not impair the retrieval of information learned previously. 55 However, there is evidence that marijuana, particularly in high doses, may interfere with users' ability to transfer new information into longterm memory. 56
While there is general agreement that, while under the influence of marijuana, learning is less efficient, 57 there is no evidence that marijuana users - even longterm users - suffer permanent impairment. Indeed, numerous studies comparing chronic marijuana users with non-user controls have found no significant differences in learning, memory recall or other cognitive functions. 58

Thanks for the advice I will strive to "practise" my proper English. :p

Quiet, you. :p

"Wrong" is an adjective... not an adverb (incorrectly)...
Just kidding ;)

Damnit! ... you too ... shaddap! :D

4) We supply the US with 40% of their Imports, so if decided we didn't like them, we could cut them off and their cost of living would almost Double.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

Imports - partners:

Canada 17.4%, China 12.5%, Mexico 10.7%, Japan 9.3%, Germany 5.3% (2003)
_____________________________________

Perhaps you guys use a different type of Math up there...

But BOTH parts of your statement are WRONG!

But I guess because YOU say it we are supposed to believe it out of hand?

I think NOT!

Regards,
Gaar

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

Imports - partners:

Canada 17.4%, China 12.5%, Mexico 10.7%, Japan 9.3%, Germany 5.3% (2003)
_____________________________________

Perhaps you guys use a different type of Math up there...

But BOTH parts of your statement are WRONG!

But I guess because YOU say it we are supposed to believe it out of hand?

I think NOT!

Regards,
Gaar

And perhaps you wouldn't mind losing the 23% we send you?...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

Exports - partners:

Canada 23.4%, Mexico 13.5%, Japan 7.2%, UK 4.7%, Germany 4% (2003)

1] Equal Rights Amendment in the Constitution that guarantees equality of the genders. Something the US has refused time and time again.

2] Income tax is solely by voluntary lottery ticket purchase, rather than crowbarred out of my paycheck.

3] When our legislators protest something, they really protest something. Action speaks louder than words and rhetoric.

GOD BLESS TEXAS!!

Booyah!

Which time, when the dems ran to OK or when they went to New Mexico?

This thread is laughable for its insecurity amd defensiveness. But I'll have a go anyway.

1) Australia has free medical care for all citizens and permanent residents.
2) Education is basically still affordable. At least the fees can be deferred until you've finished your degree.
3) Um... John Howard is going to retire soon? Although we get Peter Costello... so that's not good. So... We play cricket and rugby, the two greatest sports in the universe!

And our government sucks donkey balls, so I won't go there.

hah, Iraq's WMD's are in Iran or Syria, think about it: we had proof, everyone acknowleged that after the first gulf war.

Dont think Saddam just threw away his toys!

What proof? You'd think if the administration had them they'd say so. What WMD's Iraq had at one time (chemical and biological) are the ones we gave them. You'd think we wouldn't complain about it. Bush is a twit and wouldn't know truth if it bit him in the ass.

Better than USA? First, I'll list three reasons why it's worse than USA.

1. Socialist government and a lot of leftists around.
2. Almost prohibitive taxes on enterpreneurship, and those socialists still whine that a 29% tax on capital is too low!
3. A welfare state that sometimes doesn't work. (Our healthcare system has its problems.)

Now, for the "better than USA part":

1. No religious right (as in USA)
2. A better language. (American English is not a beautiful language.)
3. No bankrupcies from medical bills.

+ that American "money is everything" thinking. A gas storage tank can legally leak 5 gallons a day; in money terms, this is not a lot, but it's an environmental disaster.

I am not a country and will never be one, that is good enough.

three isn't enough. I want 1,023 reasons. All must be unique and none can deal with Christianity, Bush, or reality TV.

Our country has better health-care - for everyone.
Our country has a much longer history behind it = more experience.
Our country does not (anymore) wage wars all over the world.
We do not enforce an economic empire over the globe as the US does.
We value human rights more than the US does (currently).
We do not have the death penalty (thank god).
We have a clear separation of state and church - something the US do not have.
We produce way better cars.
We do not (at least to my knowledge) violate international law - the US does.
We have signed Kyoto and we are part of the ICC - contrary to the (arrogant) US.
That's it for now.

+ that American "money is everything" thinking. A gas storage tank can legally leak 5 gallons a day; in money terms, this is not a lot, but it's an environmental disaster.

Leaking gas tank????????

Where did you get that? If it's a law then for what? People tend to freak if they see/smell a gas tank leaking. Considering the size of the average tank that would be close to 1/2 of the tank.


We have many crazy laws on the books everywhere.....

Leaking gas tank????????

Where did you get that? If it's a law then for what? People tend to freak if they see/smell a gas tank leaking. Considering the size of the average tank that would be close to 1/2 of the tank.

We have many crazy laws on the books everywhere.....
A storage tank, not a car's tank. A storage tank would be found from a gas station. This law is from California.

Well I certainly don't say my country is better then the USA, but here are three points we are better at.

1) Beer
2) The average person knows three languages
3) Eddy Wally

And if you're liberal, you shall appreciate our tolerant drug laws, abortion, euthanasie and gay marriages.

Why don't you move to China?

They have

1.) No minimum wage
2.) Fascist government
3.) No welfare

except for the no minimum wage that sounds like a really good place! i want to move out there. actually, i like yopenya too much, i'll stay here.

you invented concentration camps, slavery, segregation, you invaded lots of countries, occupied them and stole their riches to profit yourself.

You are stuck with a bunch of half braindead royals who do nothing all their life yet you revere them because...now wait for it... THEY INHERIT A TITLE!! WOW WAT A FRIGGIN ACCOMPLISHMENT! You discriminate based on class, you believe people with an hereditary title are better than others and should be given privileges like the position of head of state.

Vietnam, France started that by the way. And by the way, you are our puppet to control in the coalition of the willing! Thanx Tony Blair MUAHAHAHAHAHA

Slavery? I thought I read about that in the Bible. I don't recall many tea drinking English folk setting people up into chains in the Bible. The Brits invent the best things... then people steal the idea and take credit for it.

And France started it? So what? America decided they'd get bogged down in a war themselves.

We have approximately ringable 5300 bell towers to the US's 30

Which is all the reason I will ever need.

Ive been watching for a while now, and just wanted to know three reasons why your country is better then the United States, no offense, but if you cant find three things you are better at (no sports please) then your country truly isnt better. ALL countries have bad points, but not all have better things then the USA.

:headbang: Im sick of the US bashing

1. Less poluted/'clean and green'/LOTR/no nuclear etc (our country is prettier)
2. We won the battle of manners street*.
3. Letting women vote first, introducing the 40 hour week first.. Hell, you even needed a new zealander to help you split the atom.


You're lucky you said 'no sports' or else I would have mentioned rugby. Man rugby is awesome.



*Battle of Manners Street: (April 3, 1943) "Started when US servicemen refused to let Maori servicemen drink in the Wellington Allied Services Club. About 1000 American and NZ troops and several hundred civilians fought for four hours. Many Americans were injured and at least two were killed. The 'Battle' was considered to be NZ's bloodiest riot." [BEZ]

Well, I'm Canadian, and I see a couple of things:

1. Populus Ignorance: In the US, it seems there are (especially in more southern, rural areas) a large number of ignorant people, who know very little about the world outside the US, even some basic stuff like where countries are located. I understand all countries have their share of these people, but none as high as the US.

2. Canadian Socialism: Being somewhat socialist, I appreciate the idea of free healthcare and such to everyone, as well I dislike the idea of a fully private system, a la the US. [I actually like a mix of the two, more freedom of choice.]

3. Our International Reputation: I dislike the US's current warmongering reputation, while I like Canada's peacekeeping reputation.

All in all, I don't hate Americans or America, just *some* of their social values and their current administration.

Three reasons why your better then the USA
1. I can spell and know how to use grammar properly - including apostrophes.
The Country I'm in right now:
1. I can get ultra cheap DVD's;
2. In fact, I can get ultra cheap everything - All electronic gear (very latest too), clothing, food, furnishings etc etc;
3. It has a varied and interesting culture.
The Country I'm from:
1. They have come up with a solid and workable way of providing state pensions for the future which DOESN'T involve giving all the money to private middle-men;
2. The Government has a genuine social conscience and actually tries to fix social problems;
3. Abortion is legal (and free), Same sex unions are legal, smoking in bars is illegal.


Why don't you move to China?
They have:
1.) No minimum wage
Actually they do have a minimum wage - 600RMB p/month (about $75US). Most western factories pay less than this, but China's slowly doing something about it.

2. The Government has a genuine social conscience and actually tries to fix social problems;

And what's a "genuine" social conscience? Something you agree with? Because by that logic you can argue that US conservatives have a "genuine" social conscience. I'd rather not give the government that much power in that regard because sooner or later, everything's a social problem...

3. Abortion is legal (and free), Same sex unions are legal, smoking in bars is illegal.

I don't get this. You can easily axe a potential human for no fee, but you can't light up in a bar? :confused:

Well, I'm Canadian, and I see a couple of things:

1. Populus Ignorance: In the US, it seems there are (especially in more southern, rural areas) a large number of ignorant people, who know very little about the world outside the US, even some basic stuff like where countries are located. I understand all countries have their share of these people, but none as high as the US.

what's sad about the geography thing is that a "teacher" (she's actually the head of this stupid 'gifted' children program) didn't know where Israel was on a map. I had to point it out to here specifically... but there a quite a few brilliant teachers at my school.

Only three? You should of went for more... that being said I think I'll take the lighter side of all this..I live in Canada, so...

1) We are bigger than you

2) We are on top of you

so..

3) If you were in prison you'd be our bitch.. :D

And what's a "genuine" social conscience? Something you agree with? Because by that logic you can argue that US conservatives have a "genuine" social conscience. I'd rather not give the government that much power in that regard because sooner or later, everything's a social problem...
If you call a budget that increases military spending, while terminating aid for about 300,000 people and denying child care assistance to about 300,000 children, again in low-income working families, cutting domestic discretionary spending, adjusted for inflation, by 16 percent over the next five years and cutting 150 government-funded programs for poor/low income families, no extra funding for Parks and Recreation (so a cut in real terms), cutting Adult education by $370 Million, a "genuine" social conscience then we have vastly different ideas of what a social conscience is.

I don't get this. You can easily axe a potential human for no fee, but you can't light up in a bar? :confused:
You don't get that the rights of an individual living breathing functioning member of society is sacrosant? Oh well....

1) We are bigger than you

But Russia's bigger than Canada. Does this mean Russia > all?

You don't get that the rights of an individual living breathing functioning member of society is sacrosant? Oh well....

You can breathe if someone's smoking nearby and you aren't going to die on the spot. Don't be ridiculous. And it's a smoker's choice to smoke.

Landsize alone means nothing ;)
Canada is comparatively small (in population size) to other industrialized nations, due to a mass of their country being uninhabitable and snow-covered rock.
The same goes for Russia - and the US too actually. Large portions of these countries' landmasses are not inhabited and have such hostile climate, that nobody would want to live there. What counts more is the amount of population you have and what you do with it. In that regard, Canada seems to be doing quite fine, but it surely is not superior to the US or most other industrialized nations (i.e. Germany has over 82 million population and a much, much smaller landmass, but is doing better economically).

Who gives a damn? You say at the begining, "I am tierd of people bashing US" then if you are tierd of it, why are you provoking more by this thread? I personally live in the UK, and I am happy here. But I don't get all patrotic and say "The UK is the best country in the world!" because frankly, I a) don't believe that b) don't honestly care about if this country is the "best" c) think the word "best" is just childish. It is like two kids arguing which comic book hero is the "best". It is just damn preferance to what you want out of things.

"My toy gun is better than yours!"
"Nuh-uh! My shotgun is amazing cause it has better stoppin' power!"


Please.

It is like your trying to justify your damn opinions and make your ego larger by somehow proving that your country is the "best" to live in, and that your doing good by staying there!

I thought that silly arguments like this were beneath me, but apparently I was wrong :p. So here goes...

1) Our contribution to the modern world. Newton, Darwin, Adam Smith, Stephen Hawking, telephones (Bell was from Scotland), fax machines, television (arguably), trains, the light bulb (Swan made one ahead of Edison), the computer, the world wide web, the industrial revolution, destroying the slave trade, the bicycle, tin cans, corkscrews, penicillin, underground railways, pneumatic tyres, Magna Carta, the modern concepts of liberty, everything that the USA now claims to stand for etc etc.


2) The USA's firearm homicide rate is 34 times higher than ours (and the total homicide rate is 4 times higher:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html

The figures are a little old but I think that even the harshest assessment of the changes since then would barely dent those comparison. Face up to the facts, people! You're dying alamingly quickly!


3) We tend to travel and see the world more, and we don't have to turn to foreign news channels such as the BBC to find out what's actually going on in the world outside of Iraq and Israel. Most of our citizens actually own passports.

Only three???

1 - no death penalty
2 - better health system and social security
3 - lower crime rate

(plus decent cheese and coffee)

1. We make the best cheese in the world...
2. You can drink beer from your 16th
3. Softdrugs is legal... :cool:

go dutchieland

Ein Deutscher']Our country has better health-care - for everyone.
Our country has a much longer history behind it = more experience.
Our country does not (anymore) wage wars all over the world.
We do not enforce an economic empire over the globe as the US does.
We value human rights more than the US does (currently).
We do not have the death penalty (thank god).
We have a clear separation of state and church - something the US do not have.
We produce way better cars.
We do not (at least to my knowledge) violate international law - the US does.
We have signed Kyoto and we are part of the ICC - contrary to the (arrogant) US.
That's it for now.


(Claps) Ich hab' deutschland so lieb... (but my German is even more pitiful than my english)

... and you rank pretty well on the freedom of press index too http://www.rsf.fr/article.php3?id_article=4116

But Russia's bigger than Canada. Does this mean Russia > all?

Come on, has every one lost their sense of humor..lol :fluffle:

the reason the UK is better than the USA is simple, we are a mature Consitutional Monarchy that long ago gave up fighting and you are an ex colony that still thinks in terms of empire/spheres of influence without thinking through the consequences properly. just like any other adolecent. I give as an example Vietnam and Iraq. The words once bitten twice shy spring to mind but no you do the same thing twice
1. You mean that 'monarchy' that so many British whine about all the time? The one that basicaly just sits there, eating up money while cutting ribbons and looking pretty? I would count your being a 'constitutional monarchy' as a one-up for America, meself.
2. Indeed, perhaps thats how the world works and you fellows are just afraid to realize it? Spheres of influence and empire have worked fairly well for the last several thosand years, right back to when we were figureing out how to make shiney bits out of metal and hit people with them.
3. I give as an example, the Zulu and India. And how many others you fellows invaded and took over by cheating, military force and so on. It took you HOW long to figure out that trying to take over France wasnt going to work? And how long after that did it take you to get it through your heads that colonies dont work either? I beleive the last British (I think it was British) colony was granted independance in the 70's.

1. No death penalty
2. Fewer Christian fundamentalists
3. The UN Convention of the Rights of the Child incorporated in our national laws

It took you HOW long to figure out that trying to take over France wasnt going to work?

YEAH.. lol.. they lost from a teenage girl.. whaha.. and then they burned her, because they were embarrased.. pwhahahaa..

YEAH.. lol.. they lost from a teenage girl.. whaha.. and then they burned her, because they were embarrased.. pwhahahaa..
I imagine there was much split tea that day, eh?
Well, hypotheticaly anyway.

YEAH.. lol.. they lost from a teenage girl.. whaha.. and then they burned her, because they were embarrased.. pwhahahaa..

Now, now, no France bashing, if not for them America would of never won her independence. Do you really want France to ask for the Statue of Liberty back? Be nice, you may need them to bail you out again one day.. ;)

I don't like my country all that much, but I love Sweden, for these reasons:

No death penalty
Amazing, well preserved natural landscapes
High taxes
Good healthcare, education,welfare, public transport and police
Not that many rich people, but hardly any poor people
Environmental responsibility
A happy, tolerant country
It's illegal to smack your kids
Less Christian Conservatives (not just to target a group, but this pretty much amounts to less traditionalist intolerance and prejudice)
It's ok to be gay
Abortion is legal
Low teenage pregnancies etc, good sex education in school, realistic age of consent

Now, now, no France bashing, if not for them America would of never won her independence. Do you really want France to ask for the Statue of Liberty back? Be nice, you may need them to bail you out again one day.. ;)
Of course, technicaly without assisting us the French might never have won independance either.
The US is indirectly responsible for democracy in France! YAY!

Of course, technicaly without assisting us the French might never have won independance either.
The US is indirectly responsible for democracy in France! YAY!

Wait, aren't the poms french anyway since they got carted in 1066? I don't really know what I'm talking about with regards to the war then (It was William I right? The conquerer or somesuch?) but is it possible that all poms are french, and therefore all americans that discended from Britian are actually cheese eating surrender monkies?

I submit for you incontrovertable proof that the United States is better than any European nation:

We let disco die in the seventies instead of dragging its sorry corpse onto the dance floor every weekend.

Well I was 13 when disco come out. We all hated it back then and at 42, I still hate it. But like all garbage culture it unfortunatly continued in the form of that "shallow-as-piss-on-a-plate" "dance music" which has no redeeming qualities to it whatsoever!

In short, the musical equivelent of crap. And we all know crap belongs either in the toilet or in the ground.

Of course, technicaly without assisting us the French might never have won independance either.
The US is indirectly responsible for democracy in France! YAY!

What century are you talking about? Must be WWII methinks. In any case, the United States didn't liberate France, the "Allies" did. ;)

Well I was 13 when disco come out. We all hated it back then and at 42, I still hate it. But like all garbage culture it unfortunatly continued in the form of that "shallow-as-piss-on-a-plate" "dance music" which has no redeeming qualities to it whatsoever!

In short, the musical equivelent of crap. And we all know crap belongs either in the toilet or in the ground.

Wasn't it Americans who invented Disco to begin with? :D

1. You mean that 'monarchy' that so many British whine about all the time? The one that basicaly just sits there, eating up money while cutting ribbons and looking pretty? I would count your being a 'constitutional monarchy' as a one-up for America, meself.
2. Indeed, perhaps thats how the world works and you fellows are just afraid to realize it? Spheres of influence and empire have worked fairly well for the last several thosand years, right back to when we were figureing out how to make shiney bits out of metal and hit people with them.
3. I give as an example, the Zulu and India. And how many others you fellows invaded and took over by cheating, military force and so on. It took you HOW long to figure out that trying to take over France wasnt going to work? And how long after that did it take you to get it through your heads that colonies dont work either? I beleive the last British (I think it was British) colony was granted independance in the 70's.

And look America still hasn't learnt that bombing countries means people don't like you. The British had a much lower civilian casualty rate than the Americans do (compare the Falklands and Vietnam for example). Ever been to Laos (officially a country that the USA didn't recognise during Vietnam so they could empty there bombs there)? Seen something nice and shiny, or fluorescent in the ground....don't pick it up, it's likely to be a clusterbomb that they couldn't (for whatever reason) drop on Vietnam, so dropped over innocent Laos (where there were no fighters) so that they wouldn't have to risk landing on base with their own bombs onboard.

It's illegal to smack your kids


Wow! I find this wonderful, seriously (I am against any form of corporal punishment)... but is it enforced? When I see the number of kids that are much more seriously abused than just a smack once in a while here...

And how long after that did it take you to get it through your heads that colonies dont work either? I beleive the last British (I think it was British) colony was granted independance in the 70's.

Actually our colonies made us the richest nation in the world for quite a long time despite our small size, so I would say that they did work rather well in fact. We don't have much of significance left now, it's true, just Gibraltar and a few small islands here and there. Hong Kong was only handed back in 1997 though.


Also, the British didn't burn Joan of Arc, for whoever mentioned that. The French did. Look it up.

And yes, the Normans invaded in 1066, but didn't bring so much of a genepool with them like the Saxons and Vikings had. In any case the Normans themselves weren't French, but originally vikings (Normans=men of the north). I think that we've done quite to have resisted successful invasion by a foreign power since 1066, almost 1000 years ago. Not many others can claim that, I think.

Interesting... I see this is getting nowhere like the rest of the 'debate' thread.

Wow! I find this wonderful, seriously (I am against any form of corporal punishment)... but is it enforced? When I see the number of kids that are much more seriously abused than just a smack once in a while here...

Absolutely

Also, the same stands in Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Croatia, Cyprus, Latvia, Italy, Israel, Germany and Austria, and it stands for parents, teachers and everyone else.

Also, the British didn't burn Joan of Arc, for whoever mentioned that. The French did. Look it up.



Burgundy burned her, which was allied to the British..

Burgundy burned her, which was allied to the British..

Yup, the French didn't burn her, she was fighting for them!

Edit. Doesn't seem like the Brits or French helped her out a whole lot..

Charles no longer had any interest in Joan, she had given him what he wanted, the French crown. Now she was just a nuisance and an obstacle to him negotiating with the English. He made no attempt to rescue her or buy her back from the English. Joan remained in prison, growing weaker and more tired daily.

She finally agreed to remove the soldiers clothing and signed a statement that she had been wrong. In return she was supposed to be allowed to visit the church. The English had lied. Remember that she could neither read nor write. She probably had no idea what it was that she was admitting to. She again insisted that the voices had been real, and put her soldiers clothing back on. They now had the proof they needed to have her tried and convicted of heresy and witchcraft. She was tried, convicted and sentenced to death. Because she was found guilty of being a witch, she was to be executed by fire. She was 19 years old.

On May 30, 1431 she was burned at the stake. Charles did nothing to save her, and neither did the French people, who only shortly before had claimed she was a heroine. After her death Charles decided that it wasn’t a good idea for people to believe she had been a witch or heretic. That would mean that he had been wrongfully crowned. He set about having her name cleared.

Source (http://www.funsocialstudies.learninghaven.com/articles/joan_of_arc.htm)

Three reasons why my country is better than America, not including ones that depend on your point of view, so all independant:

1) My country is not under such pressure from Amnesty International, an independant world organisation (no bias), for things such as the death penalty and torture of terroists.
2) My country is not in such blatant defiance of the Kyoto agreement, an independant world organisation.
3) My country has a genuinally independant media organisation, that questions my government constantly, rather than supporting it whatever it does.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Burgundy French? Unless it migrated across the channel some time in the last 500 years I think my point is proven.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Burgundy French? Unless it migrated across the channel some time in the last 500 years I think my point is proven.

Yes, but he only betrayed her, well not to say "only" but it was the English that murdered her.

Joan continued to fight but began to lose battles. She was captured by the troops of the Duke of Burgundy in 1430, at the Battle of Compeigne. The Duke sold her to the English.

watch how they gonna try to push 'socialism' as a thing they have that's better, not realizing that socialism sucks, leftism has failed.

Its generalisations like these that make people angry. Leftism has not failed. Tell the Labour Government of Briatin leftism has failed. Tell Anthoney Giddens socialism has failed (if you even know who that is) and he will fully explain to you why it hasn't. Just cause Americans dont like it doesnt mean it wont work.

Three reasons why the UK is better than the US

1) The murder rate per 1000 is 14 times lower in the UK than in the US

2) The UK is not in economic recession

3) The UK does not have dangerously liberal gun laws

Ill put down a few others just to rub it in

4) The UK's rank and file army is trained to the same level as the American "Special forces"

5) The UK has a history which extends more than 10 times that of America

6) America has never won a war without British involvement

The national popular vote is irrelevant. With the electoral college we ensure that a president always has backing in more than just 1 area of the country.
Of course it's irrelevant, because when you get less votes in a popular election, but still get cheated into office by an archaic voting system, what does it matter?

Let me remind Bushie fundies:

Bush received 50,456,002 votes in 2000. That accounts for 47.87% of all votes in the nation.
Gore received 50,999,897 votes in 2000. That accounts for 48.38% of all votes in the nation.

See, that doesn't make sense: getting more votes but losing the election. Something tells me there's something wrong here...

Am I bitter about Gore losing? No, I could care less; I hate Democrats and their "slight-left" (read: centrist, hypocritical) policies as much as I hate Republicans and their right-wing fundie crap. What I do care about is an old system, made for the sole reason that politicians thought the country bumpkins back in the late 18th century were too stupid to vote logically, being used today to decide a vote among normal, half-way intelligent people.

She was tried and found guilty by French clerics - monks, in fact.

Or maybe this is the truth? :p

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/11824_joan.html

Ive been watching for a while now, and just wanted to know three reasons why your country is better then the United States, no offense, but if you cant find three things you are better at (no sports please) then your country truly isnt better. ALL countries have bad points, but not all have better things then the USA.

:headbang: Im sick of the US bashing

but, but... I can't live up to your challenge. I hate the US very much but I can not do your challenge. Why not? I live there...

Of course it's irrelevant, because when you get less votes in a popular election, but still get cheated into office by an archaic voting system, what does it matter?

See, that doesn't make sense: getting more votes but losing the election. Something tells me there's something wrong here...

Actually, the same could happen perfectly easily in the UK.

Or maybe this is the truth? :p

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/11824_joan.html


That's bogus and you know it. She was murdered as a teenager, or at the very least as a young woman. There seems to be no disagreement on that. Who knows for sure, but most historical accounts seem to imply she was betrayed by the French and killed by the English.

1. Out sourcing is illigal, so there aren't any little middle schoolers (like myself) who worry abou wether they will be able to afford the car, the books, and the school nessisary for sucess in this country.

2. There is no religion in my agmistration - all realigions are supported for the purpose of spirtiual fulfillment - every realigion will recieve some government funding (although not very much) and none are asociated with the admistration - thuse there is no jesUSAves in Yu-Jyo.

3. Schools recieve a lot of funding. Here in the US, Bush only says that shools are gettiong more, but really, as someone who goes to a public school, I know that we are getting less.

* (bonus) * Supreme court justices are alected by the people, so never fear, Renquist isn't ever going to be here! Homophobia is almost absolite, and euthinasia is not considdered a sin because "God gave you life, and will take it when it is his will"

Yes, I bash the US, but I live there, I have every right to, it's in the COnstitution.

1. I get paid a weekly wage to attend a "learning instituion" for a set number of hours.
2. Free healthcare.
3. Civil-unions are binding, marriage contracts are not. Same goes for same-sex couples.

EDIT: This is under Scottish law, not English law.

Or maybe this is the truth? :p

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/11824_joan.html

Interesting...

Interesting...

It's B.S. LannaN. No historical account accepts this version. But interesting, I suppose, so are Anne Rice novels. ;)

Stuff that some people could consider better than America (from Ireland)
For liberals:
free education (Including third level, but of course you have to do ok in tests)

For conservatives/religious:
No abortion

Other:
alcolholic drinks
scenery (green)
culture + history
government surplus
No major debt
higher forgien aid (per capita)
(For non-smokers: )smoking ban in public areas and working places

You asked for three I'm sure you can agree with at least three of what I've said. I'll give more if you don't.


Ps I don't consider any country better then another.

Elisabeth is NOT Elisabeth II of Scotland.
She is Elisabeth II of the United Kingdom. Elisabeth I of England was NEVER queen of Scotland.
Anyway, as far as the Scots are concerned, the monarch has never been someone to reverence and worship. Since the days of Kenneth MacAlpin (9th century I believe but could be wrong. Unified Scotland) the monarch has always been the First Among Equals.

Just my little rant.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Burgundy French? Unless it migrated across the channel some time in the last 500 years I think my point is proven.

Burgundy is what we call now Switzerland.. only then it was a bit bigger..

I've noticed that a lot of people on here keep mentioning the religious intolerance here in the US. Yes, we do have a lot of religious intolerance if you look at the US as a whole. But where I live, for example, I feel that we are very tolerant of every issue be it race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. I don't know anyone who is racist or would judge someone because they aren't Christian or because they wear a turban. Yes there are areas in the US with a lot racism, primarily in the south still such as in Tennessee and Mississippi. But even in those states, there are areas of complete tolerance. So I guess my point is that yes, we have problems with intolerance, but it is also wrong for other countries to judge as a whole as being racist ignorant fools.

Every country has its problems in history and its problems now. America's problems now just happen to be very apparent to the rest of the world because of the controversial war in Iraq (among other things). We all have historical events that we are not necessarily proud of (i.e. holocaust in germany). Everyone should probably keep in mind too that the US is basically a new country if you compare it to other countries, so of course we are going to have a lot of problems, but i think we are doing pretty damn well regardless of all our problems.

My points here are not meant to be bashing of any country so dont take it personal.

Burgundy is what we call now Switzerland.. only then it was a bit bigger..

No, Burgandy was what we now call the benelux countries.

Ps I don't consider any country better then another.

I completely agree

A point about the whole Maid of Orleans thing.
While the whole Anglo-French war thing was going on, the Black Douglas (scottish borderer) took an army over to fight the English in France. The Dauphin (dolphin?) didn't trust 'em much so he gave them to Joan to use as her soldiers.

Vive la France! Vive l'Ecosse! Vive l'alliance vieux!

Wasn't it Americans who invented Disco to begin with? :D


I think it was the Swedes

No, Burgandy was what we now call the benelux countries.

Dude.. I live in Holland, I would have known that.. Burgundy was in the Alpes..

I think it was the Swedes

BURN THEM!

Medieval Burgundy was the modern French province Burgundy connected to Flanders (Belgium). The Netherlands weren't a part of it.

6) America has never won a war without British involvement


Yeah, the American Revolution would have never happened without you guys :rolleyes:

Also the Culture/history comment is a bit low. I mean, Yeah, let's develop the same amount of culture that you have in thousands of years within the course of less than 300. That's like going up to some monkey and saying "HAH YOU SUCK I HAVE OPPOSABLE THUMBS AND YOU DO NOT"

Absolutely

Also, the same stands in Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Croatia, Cyprus, Latvia, Italy, Israel, Germany and Austria, and it stands for parents, teachers and everyone else.

(bows with respect)

AHHHH, the great benefits of socialism.

Take honest people's guns away, but ignore that criminals still have them... what a wonderful idea.


When are people going to fucking look at the numbers. the U.S. has 5000+ gun deaths a year and every other country at most will have 2000. The numbers to me just totally blow any arguement of pro gun control out of the water. So quit bitching that guns make people safer.

Why Sweden is better than the US:
1. It is POSSIBLE to do your shopping in a local convenience store and yet stay thin.
2. We provoke the hell out of that sick, fundamentalist baptist guy: www.godhatessweden.com
3. State TV has no trouble with showing films depicting masturbating eleven year olds at 2 pm. On the other hand I saw this prologue text before an american film about Anne Frank's timein the Auschwits: We warn viewers of scenes depicting nudity (man, I would be suing them if I was Jew).

Why US is better than Sweden (since I don't want to appear nationaliste):
1. Well, the world's highest taxes (in Sweden that is) is a given point...
2. Ehhm... John Fogerty?
3. Ehhm... The Doors?
4(2). Hell Let's just say the (former) music scene...
3. There is tolerance for that sick, fundamentalist baptist guy.

Apparently disco did originate in America it's a mix of Funk, Rock, Latin and dance musics. As far as my opinion i don't think disco was as bad as everyone thought it was I still like to groove to some of the great hits from the 70's.(Although I was born in 1975)

source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco

A storage tank, not a car's tank. A storage tank would be found from a gas station. This law is from California.

Whoops me bad. It was late and I am sick......

Dude.. I live in Holland, I would have known that.. Burgundy was in the Alpes..

It wasnt holland, my mistake. But it was Belgium and parts of modern France. I do History, specificly Elizabeth I and Henry VII. I know where Burgandy was. It was very important to England at those times because of the woll trade (then our only export). We needed to be on side with whoever was controlling Burgandy to make sure we had a market for our exports.

Three reasons why Switzerland is better than the USA and any other country in the world:

1. There is no country in the world, where the people have more political rights than in Switzerland. We are the only nation in this world which can truly claim to be a democracy. For those morons not knowing, what democracy really means, it is ancient greek and comes from the two word "demos" and "kratos", meaning "people" and "rule", which put together has the meaning of "rule of the people". Clearly, only here in Switzerland the people acctually rule and have power. In which country, people are able to acctually vote on national laws and to force their will on the government? Did you know that Switzerland was the only country in the world, where the people could decide to join or not join the UN?

2. We are a successfull multicultural society, in comparision to the USA and many other countries; we have four national languages and children are required to learn at least two in school. A lot of jobs require that you speak at least two of them fluently, along with English.

3. We have no need to meddle in other nations affairs, as we are content in being neutral and known for our roles as intermediators. Here such great organizations as the Red Cross were founded or have their seats. Unlike the USA we serve peace and harmony among humanity, not war and slaughter. And we do not elect mad men into important positions.

1. There is no country in the world, where the people have more political rights than in Switzerland. We are the only nation in this world which can truly claim to be a democracy. For those morons not knowing, what democracy really means, it is ancient greek and comes from the two word "demos" and "kratos", meaning "people" and "rule", which put together has the meaning of "rule of the people". Clearly, only here in Switzerland the people acctually rule and have power. In which country, people are able to acctually vote on national laws and to force their will on the government? Did you know that Switzerland was the only country in the world, where the people could decide to join or not join the UN?

Just imagine, for a moment, that the Religious Right in America had access to a true Democracy. Yikes.

Just imagine, for a moment, that the Religious Right in America had access to a true Democracy. Yikes.

It will never happen. For we know, unlike some ignorant Neo-Conservatives, that democracy is something which has to develope. And it can only flourish in an enlighted society, a society of more-or-less educated and rational people.

Ok, all joking aside.. Canada

1) We have the most natural resources in the world

2) No one hates us enough to want to attack us.

3) Eutrusca doesn't live here. :D

It wasnt holland, my mistake.

Yeah.. I thought so.. lol.. We hadn't anything to do with that war lol.. But Burgundy is somewhere near Strazbourg then?? Cuz I always thought it was at the east of France.. LOL..

Ok.. now a serious answer to this topic question..

Three reasons why Holland is better than USA..

1. Although we are a small country, we once had one of the greatest fleets in the world..

2. It was a dutch person who invented the Binocular...

3. We have the largest seaport in the world..

When are people going to fucking look at the numbers. the U.S. has 5000+ gun deaths a year and every other country at most will have 2000. The numbers to me just totally blow any arguement of pro gun control out of the water. So quit bitching that guns make people safer.

The US population is bigger than most countries.