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The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

Sometimes I feel like common sense isn't so common.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.
Well, about the suicide bit, wanna know how many of them would have commited suicide without the meds?
A lot more, I'd bet.

Also, if you're going to make wild claims like antidepressants turning people gay, it would be a really good idea to have a source in your first post there.

What is wrong with being homosexual? Some of my closest friends are gay and it doesn't make them any different than anyone else.

Sometimes I feel like common sense isn't so common.
Your burning out, this is the second one of these in a row I've hit from you.

*snip*
Oh no! Kids are catching the gay from drugs!

I call troll.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.
Maybe you're putting cause and effect in the wrong places.

Sometimes I feel like common sense isn't so common.

Best.Statement.Ever.

Seriously, it does seem like this world (the real one)lacks any notion of common sense. I sometimes wish I could really and for truly create my own Volpe and get out of this strange, messed up world.

Man, if people want their kids to mellow out all they need to do is get them on pot, it relaxes me errr I mean them and it has no negative side effects

Your burning out, this is the second one of these in a row I've hit from you.
What else is there to say?

I'm gay. I'm pacifist to a fault. I've never been on any of these drugs. Sucks for your theory.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

Wow... you came back. You must've arrived in Iran o.k!

Anyways,
1. No drug will "make a child gay". Period. WTF is up with you religious idiots who can't get it through your head that being gay isn't a choice or the result of a drug. You are born with it.
2. If they cause suicide, ok, because they've probably saved 50 times as many.

Edit: Oh, and P.S.: Source?

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

zing!

zing!

No.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

Finally, a gay drug. The ultimate pharmacological prank. *rubs hands together and grins wickedly*

Maybe you're putting cause and effect in the wrong places.

With people like him in this world, I can see how that works, and it really makes me sad.

No.

:)

2. If they cause suicide, ok, because they've probably saved 50 times as many.


It is still quite ironic that anti-depressants influence suicidal tendencies in children, anti-depressants, lol.

It is still quite ironic that anti-depressants influence suicidal tendencies in children, anti-depressants, lol.

Yes. It goes something like this: "Thanks to the drugs, I'm finally thinking clearly for the first time in my life. I'm not crying out for help; I really DO want to die!" *BLAM!* :p

It is still quite ironic that anti-depressants influence suicidal tendencies in children, anti-depressants, lol.
not really...

i suppose it just means that some people cant just be stuck on drugs and expected to be ok, whereas it will help others

..I can't even come up with a crack-pot theory to as why Anti-depressants would make someone commit suicide o.O

But I can with gay! =D

Anti-depressants make people see clearer, therefore they decide to pick the best choice! (Gay enthusiast, that I am)

But, of course, there are a lot of people who are depressed because they are.. uhm... unsure of their sexuality. But, when the anti-depressants makes the depression go away, it allows them to make a firm decision, which may be why statistics may (Note the MAY, since I see no source) show that people on anti-depressants make them gay/bisexual.

They found a gene or something like that... that makes people attracted to a certain gender. I read it awhile ago, but they were studying it.. around half a year ago o.O

Edit: to go along with this, the depression can be resulted from Stress due to things such as:

- Religion
- Parents
- Friends
- Being around Homophobics
- Being isolated
- Having a large group of straight friends/friends that are homophobes
- Live in an area where Homosexuality is shunned greatly (IE, possible beatings of gays)
- Live in an area where Homosexuality doesn't have much support.

..I can't even come up with a crack-pot theory to as why Anti-depressants would make someone commit suicide o.O

But I can with gay! =D

Anti-depressants make people see clearer, therefore they decide to pick the best choice! (Gay enthusiast, that I am)

But, of course, there are a lot of people who are depressed because they are.. uhm... unsure of their sexuality. But, when the anti-depressants makes the depression go away, it allows them to make a firm decision, which may be why statistics may (Note the MAY, since I see no source) show that people on anti-depressants make them gay/bisexual.

They found a gene or something like that... that makes people attracted to a certain gender. I read it awhile ago, but they were studying it.. around half a year ago o.O


Wow, this makes sense!

Doesn't it, though? =p

Your edit is also true.

You are smart man!

what wrong with being gay? absolutely nothing. whats wrong with drugs that turn people gay? absolutely everything. i think this whole *gay* subject is getting rather rediculous really, for people to start claiming that drugs that make people gay are ok, because being gay is ok. that's like saying *these drugs are ok, i know they'll make you grow breasts and your a guy but who cares.* i think a lot of people would.

any drug with drastic side effects should be banned unless *not taking the drug* is a worse option. their are alternative anti-depresssant drugs, or methods other than drugs. i agree with the poster, ban them.

on a side note, it's been shown that some pesticides and fertilisers also contribute towards children acting like the opposite sex.

Boy. I am a smart boy.

I'm 15 =p

Boy. I am a smart boy.

I'm 15 =p

Yes you are.

Notice the original poster has not once responded? Troll. :cool: So don't sweat it.

They found a gene or something like that... that makes people attracted to a certain gender. I read it awhile ago, but they were studying it.. around half a year ago o.O

A gene for it? I'd be interested in seeing a source on that...

i disagree that the majority of people on depressents are struggling with their sexuality. 1 in 10 people are homosexual, most of the *depressed, not sure with their sexuality* people are going to be in their teens, since they haven't made their mind up. (i know their are older people unsure, but they are a minority). so then we are looking at a very small part of the population you are talking about and that wouldn't skew the data enough to reach the conclusion the poster was mentioning.

what wrong with being gay? absolutely nothing. whats wrong with drugs that turn people gay? absolutely everything. i think this whole *gay* subject is getting rather rediculous really, for people to start claiming that drugs that make people gay are ok, because being gay is ok. that's like saying *these drugs are ok, i know they'll make you grow breasts and your a guy but who cares.* i think a lot of people would.

any drug with drastic side effects should be banned unless *not taking the drug* is a worse option. their are alternative anti-depresssant drugs, or methods other than drugs. i agree with the poster, ban them.

on a side note, it's been shown that some pesticides and fertilisers also contribute towards children acting like the opposite sex.
I think you don't understand how EXACTLY the gay subject is getting ridiculous. I think it has exceeded ridiculous when people claim drugs start turning people gay. The worst part of this is you believe all of this crap and call the causes ridiculous. Can't see the trees for the forrest my friend

i disagree that the majority of people on depressents are struggling with their sexuality. 1 in 10 people are homosexual, most of the *depressed, not sure with their sexuality* people are going to be in their teens, since they haven't made their mind up. (i know their are older people unsure, but they are a minority). so then we are looking at a very small part of the population you are talking about and that wouldn't skew the data enough to reach the conclusion the poster was mentioning.


Do you realize the original poster stated the 'Teenage' population?

Anti-depressants do not induce suicidal tendencies. The experiment was set up poorly, and really didn't give any evidence of that except by people who were looking to cause trouble.

1. No drug will "make a child gay". Period. WTF is up with you religious idiots who can't get it through your head that being gay isn't a choice or the result of a drug. You are born with it.
Well, it is likely that sexual orientation is decided embryologically, but also has influences after birth. Sexual orientation is decided by quantities of hormones at certain times, and though the largest factor is probably while in the womb, there are also other factors that are influential. Of course, we still don't understand much about homosexuality itself, anyways.

It is still quite ironic that anti-depressants influence suicidal tendencies in children, anti-depressants, lol.
They do, and that is influencing them to less suicidal tendencies.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

The forum niche you are trying to fill is already occupied by Jesussaves. Thanks for your interest; we'll call you if there is an opening.

saying taking drugs turns you gay is like sayin marilyn manson put the guns into the hands of those columbine students. i mean, how many people have to scrape the bottom of the barrel in order to prove/justify anything? if anything, i believe that drugs (medicinal that is, as well as the illegal kind) are just being used as a cheap escape for problems. if drugs worked, why the hell would people still be on them 5, 10 even 20 years down the track.you'd think in that time of taking them, it would have done something to cure them, but it seems like putting a band-aid on a cracked dam

I_Hate_Cows, the rediculous part is that, people deny drugs can do certain things to further their beliefs. people are naturally gay, i accept that. people are naturally straight, i also accept that. denying certain drugs can effect people however to try and paint a picture *that being homosexual* is acceptable is wrong. that's like saying evoltuion is wrong, *just to make it look like religion is correct*. i'm sure certain drugs make people more *straight*. i'm sure their are chemicals out there that make you completely forget about sex alltogether, making gender preference a non issue.

Oh! Now that I think about it, I also read something about a "Gay Bomb" that altered someone's hormones to make them temporarily attracted to the same sex... they said they were developing it to incapicitate enemy soldiers, so they're distracted with each other.

I guess this means they want them to break out into an orgy while we take their country/installation/city/whatever XD

As with the Gene thing, I also have no source for this... I should really save these pages o.O

Edit: Ah! Here's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4174519.stm) something on it

A gene for it? I'd be interested in seeing a source on that...
It actually is likely to be genetic, though we're not sure just how much. If it is, it just influences tendencies, not absolutes. A fraternal twin has a 1-in-4 chance of being gay if one twin is, 1-in-2 for identicle twins. Only once, however, has anyone been able to show any type of gay gene, and that has never been able to be repeated.

The forum niche you are trying to fill is already occupied by Jesussaves. Thanks for your interest; we'll call you if there is an opening.
Hey, Amall Madnar was here before I even was. he made the first thread I ever argued in, entitled "Homosexuality is a negative influence!!!" or summit like that. Jesussaves is much newer than Amall Madnar.

Sometimes I feel like common sense isn't so common.

which would prevent it from being common sense. hehe

I_Hate_Cows, the rediculous part is that, people deny drugs can do certain things to further their beliefs. people are naturally gay, i accept that. people are naturally straight, i also accept that. denying certain drugs can effect people however to try and paint a picture *that being homosexual* is acceptable is wrong. that's like saying evoltuion is wrong, *just to make it look like religion is correct*. i'm sure certain drugs make people more *straight*. i'm sure their are chemicals out there that make you completely forget about sex alltogether, making gender preference a non issue.
I don't see any links to studies for the issue of drugs making people more attracted to homosexuals, I am not denying that it may be happening. What I am stating however, is the irrational outcry against homosexuality is getting out of hand. First allowing gay people to be gay in their homes would start making people want to become gay. Then tv shows would influence children that being gay was a good thing to be, now drugs are turning people gay. The rightwing of this country has gone out of their way to make up a big bad homosexual monster that doesn't exist.

furion i read about the gay bomb too, hilarious. it was being developed during clinton's presidency, but they decided against it in the end. it was to be used to *destroy the enemies morale*.

Hey, Amall Madnar was here before I even was. he made the first thread I ever argued in, entitled "Homosexuality is a negative influence!!!" or summit like that. Jesussaves is much newer than Amall Madnar.

My mistake. The name was new to me, and seeing how the general thread usually seems inundated with Jesussaves threads in this same ridiculous vein, I figured he had the market cornered.

If you want to know how Anti Depressants work, learn about the simple amine hypothesis by reading a good pharmacology text book like Rang Dale and Ritter.
Some how I seriously doubt that there is any drug that cause some one to turn gay, maybe they overcome their depression by realsing certain realities, I dont know im not a psychologist.

then i apologise I_hate_cows, but this thread didn't say being gay is wrong. it called for the banning of drugs that influences people towards being gay. which i would support, people should be who they are *naturally* as they are bound to be happier in life. i do agree that many people do try to paint the *gay monster* picture. gay people don't exactly help themselves though when they comment on issues like *adoption*, when people dismiss the fact that something needs to be talked about, then they are usually largely ignored.

My_Own_Country, not all anti-depressants work in the same way. certain drugs fit into receptor sites, releasing hormones to achieve the required effect whereas some work primarily on the placebo effect. without knowing all the chemistry involved, it's impossible to argue against a drug fitting into the wrong receptor site. for example smoking *calms* people's nerves because nicoteine fits into a certain receptor site ;) (and causes problems because it takes the body a long time to *remove it*)

Good stuff, yeah the amine hypothesis has loads of holes in it, because of its effect on 5HT and dopamine. The brain is a mystery, but the point im trying to make is chemicaly altering your cognitve organ doesnt alter your soul.

Oh! Now that I think about it, I also read something about a "Gay Bomb" that altered someone's hormones to make them temporarily attracted to the same sex... they said they were developing it to incapicitate enemy soldiers, so they're distracted with each other.
Which, if the people knew anything, they would realise is just preposterous. Sexual orientation is determined during developmental periods, primarily in the womb. Unless they somehow manage to reverse years of neural and endocrinal development, then I'm not sure why they would even attempt such a thing.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.


hmmm, could it perhaps be that gay children are many many times more likely to be depressed and NEED anti-depressants?

And gee, why are they more likely to be depressed. Could it be bigoted, small-minded, unintelligent people who condemn them and think its possible to "turn gay"?

What the Hell do we expect. First it was TV parenthood, now It's Parenthood in a bottle. I don't believe the Drugs are making them Gay or manical or sucidal, just the type of upbringing they must have with their parents copping an easy way out by throwing pills at 'em. As for the gay link...I dunno seems like a stretch. Besides as a straight, we could use a lot more gay men, more women for us. :)


The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

What the Hell do we expect. First it was TV parenthood, now It's Parenthood in a bottle. I don't believe the Drugs are making them Gay or manical or sucidal, just the type of upbringing they must have with their parents copping an easy way out by throwing pills at 'em. As for the gay link...I dunno seems like a stretch. Besides as a straight, we could use a lot more gay men, more women for us. :)
Genius, ive never actually thought about it that way...

The more and more I read on here the more I realize that far too many people out there think they know things about science--and they obviously don't.

A correlation does not equate to causation. Sure, of the people on SSRIs (the particular class involved in the legal case referenced in the first post), tricyclics, amphetamines, and other anti-depressants there might be a higher percentage of gay people than exists in the general population. However, that fact does not mean that the drug causes the homosexuality. It is entirely possible that the homosexuality causes the need for the drug because of increase rates of depression. This really is not a difficult concept of most people to work out if they try.

Science involving the human mind is very difficult to experiment with because of ethical concerns and the complexity of the structures under examination. As a result, oftentime the best thing we can do is just to observe and then try to make sense of those observations. We can rarely test to attempt to disprove a theory (which as you may or may not know, science always does--theories can never be proven, only supported or disproven). We don't even know for sure how the circulatory system works, as witness the recent drama over Vioxx, Bextra, and Celebrex, and yet here you are asking us to explain the mind and how different pharmacological classes are going to affect it?

So I guess what I am trying to say, in short, is actually think about the science involved or at least consult with someone beyond high school biology before jumping to conclusions about something which it is disgustly apparent that you know nothing about.

Teenage angst and sucicide has been going on since time eternal. They are just messed up. Always were, are now and always will be. I was, you were, we all were. Who can tell me out there, that when they were teens they didn't hate the world and think about suicide sometimes. Right, thought so. It's all part of the growing up process just try and stop it, u can't.
Yes. It goes something like this: "Thanks to the drugs, I'm finally thinking clearly for the first time in my life. I'm not crying out for help; I really DO want to die!" *BLAM!* :p

Teenage angst and sucicide has been going on since time eternal. They are just messed up. Always were, are now and always will be. I was, you were, we all were. Who can tell me out there, that when they were teens they didn't hate the world and think about suicide sometimes. Right, thought so. It's all part of the growing up process just try and stop it, u can't.

Actually, we all know that we get thoughts of suicide occasionally...

But.. Depression is -recurring- thoughts of that, and feeling sad for a -long- period of time.

Besides as a straight, we could use a lot more gay men, more women for us. :)
Yes, but that also means more gay women...

But.. Depression is -recurring- thoughts of that, and feeling sad for a -long- period of time.
Well, from personal experience I can say it's more than just that, but yes.

Well, from personal experience I can say it's more than just that, but yes.


I know it's more than that, but that's the basic. There's the loss of energy, activity, interest, change in appetite, ect...

I went through it at one period =p

(In fact, it's when I was going through the decision of my sexuality thing XD)

Basically, I'm hearing this zealot prophesying that, in a decade or so, there'll be whordes of these chattery, sleepless "Ritalin Queens" swishing around town. Oh noes!
:rolleyes:

And by the way, ADHD isn't depression. Ritalin is not an antidepressant, like an SSRI. It's a stimulant, like Amphetamine.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

Don't you think it's far more likely that a closeted gay teenager would be more likely to be depressed and suicidal, thus skewing the sample in favor of gay suicides on anti-depresants?

It was only a matter of time before the pink mafia invented a conversion drug!

[j/k]

hmmm, could it perhaps be that gay children are many many times more likely to be depressed and NEED anti-depressants?

And gee, why are they more likely to be depressed. Could it be bigoted, small-minded, unintelligent people who condemn them and think its possible to "turn gay"?

You thought thief you! :p

So yeah, I'll quote for emphasis...

Sometimes I feel like common sense isn't so common.


Sense, period, appears rare at times.

I cannot believe this thread even exists. :rolleyes:

You thought thief you! :p

So yeah, I'll quote for emphasis...


Great minds thinkin alike.

Sense, period, appears rare at times.

I cannot believe this thread even exists. :rolleyes:

You know, I really couldn't either. But then I realized that the founded who I using logic with was Amall Mandor or however you spell his name. I've debated with him before--if you could call it that. My experience has been that he takes a tiny sliver of a shred of highly disputable evidence and immediately accepts it as truth and twists it to back up whatever he wants to be real. When offered evidence to the contrary he either attacks it as mindless PC garbage or ignores it completely.

And yet they say gays are the ones who have the agenda. . . . . .

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

I'd really be interested in seeing who's interpreting these studies. Perhaps it's the same folks who believe Sponge Bob is a gay role model and/or spun 80's music backwards and heard Satan. :D

I'd really be interested in seeing who's interpreting these studies. Perhaps it's the same folks who believe Sponge Bob is a gay role model and/or spun 80's music backwards and heard Satan. :D

That reminds me of a joke:

They say that if you play a Microsoft CD backwards you will hear Satanic messages--but that's nothing! If you play it forward, it will install Windows!

Oh no . ..computer. . .crashing! AHHH!

That reminds me of a joke:

They say that if you play a Microsoft CD backwards you will hear Satanic messages--but that's nothing! If you play it forward, it will install Windows!

Oh no . ..computer. . .crashing! AHHH!

Either way it's demonic possession. ;)

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

Links please...

Links please...

rotfl good luck

Honestly, I'd give the guy who posted this a break. I used to be a NeoCon, Christ nut. I'm still Christian, but I an't brainwashed anymore. You don't realize how narrow minded we think, and how little we think at all, just follow orders. If a peanut falls on your foot, do you blame the peanut, no you blame the person who dropped it. Leave this guy alone, and go attack the NeoCons, the TBNers, the guys who misconstrued the Bible, and than go capitalize off of it.


May the Schwartz be with you....
(I was just kidding, poke fun at this guy all you want....)muhahahaha

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.


One question.. how in gay hell can someting be EXACTLY SIMILAR? That makes almost less sense than your argument. If something is similar, it is LIKE something else. Not identical, but close to or resembling in some way. If something is exact, it mimics totally. Therefore, to say something is exactly similar is completely moronic. Thank you for you time, continue your argument.

*This message has been approved by Emperor Justinian of Larovia. Larovia, bringing you pseudo democracy for a couple of weeks*

pathetic :headbang:

Someone has to stand up to put a stop to the mayham. It's just showing, that homosexuality, just like depression is simply a mental disorder and anyone who is gay or homosexual should be put on proper medication before they try to ruin the U.S. anymore....

Seriously, I couldn't resist coming back and posting once again after reading about those damn gays that want "special rights", the ones who are looking for special laws to protect them from being discriminated against.

I wouldn't hire somebody who was un-american and stood up for Nazi rights, so why would I hire somebody who was un-american and was gay?? It's probably also hike the companies medical insurance bill cause your luck, he would have AIDS!

Someone has to stand up to put a stop to the mayham. It's just showing, that homosexuality, just like depression is simply a mental disorder and anyone who is gay or homosexual should be put on proper medication before they try to ruin the U.S. anymore....

Seriously, I couldn't resist coming back and posting once again after reading about those damn gays that want "special rights", the ones who are looking for special laws to protect them from being discriminated against.

I wouldn't hire somebody who was un-american and stood up for Nazi rights, so why would I hire somebody who was un-american and was gay?? It's probably also hike the companies medical insurance bill cause your luck, he would have AIDS!

Amall, welcome to the world of ignoresville. You are not a psychiatrist nor epdimiologist but you do come across as an outpatient.

Amall, welcome to the world of ignoresville. You are not a psychiatrist nor epdimiologist but you do come across as an outpatient.

Freddie Mercury is my gay drug. I'm hopelessly addicted...

*shoots himself with a cocktail of "Ogre Battle" and "Fat Bottomed Girls"*

Someone has to stand up to put a stop to the mayham. It's just showing, that homosexuality, just like depression is simply a mental disorder and anyone who is gay or homosexual should be put on proper medication before they try to ruin the U.S. anymore....

Seriously, I couldn't resist coming back and posting once again after reading about those damn gays that want "special rights", the ones who are looking for special laws to protect them from being discriminated against.

I wouldn't hire somebody who was un-american and stood up for Nazi rights, so why would I hire somebody who was un-american and was gay?? It's probably also hike the companies medical insurance bill cause your luck, he would have AIDS!
Good bye sanity, hello raving loony.....

TOO many missconceptions....... cannot type all come backs........ must shoot poster......... save world....... cannot hold back ranting at .... this poster much longer..... must send message

*Blinks* I took anti depressents. I'm quite firmly straight. Other women do not interest me in that way. Men on the other hand can be quite tasty looking.

And if there was anything in them that would have 'turned me gay' I should have been affected. Several times I actually took ten times my recommended dose (they were pills, I was depressed. Meh) and still nothing.

I think this study of yours probably just happened to have a majority of people who were gay anyway.

Freddie Mercury is my gay drug. I'm hopelessly addicted.
No better drug anywhere.

What is wrong with being homosexual? Some of my closest friends are gay and it doesn't make them any different than anyone else.

there is no problem with it the problem lies in a drug that possibly makes them gay

there is no problem with it the problem lies in a drug that possibly makes them gay

any will do... tomato, brown, cheese, link anything

:rolleyes: WTF?

:rolleyes: WTF?

IT WAS A JOKE.

tomato sauce, brown sauce, cheese sauce or a link source

I think this study of yours probably just happened to have a majority of people who were gay anyway.

Yeah, and all the Baseball players were ripped and buff BEFORE taking steroids, the steroids didn't make them that way obviously....

are you still here ?

are you still here ?

Yeah, the voice of patriotism never dies.

What is wrong with being homosexual? Some of my closest friends are gay and it doesn't make them any different than anyone else.
Makes them different from me. Not better or worse, but different. I'm a little sick of people insisting we're all the same. We can be equal and still be different.

Yeah, and all the Baseball players were ripped and buff BEFORE taking steroids, the steroids didn't make them that way obviously....

roll up, roll up come and find the link between these two stories:

a drug colud make you gay.

steroids give you bigger mussels.

.... oh that right these people are taking the drug to become gay not to remove depression. silly me! :rolleyes:

Yeah, the voice of patriotism never dies.

AND how are your llamas ?

there is no problem with it the problem lies in a drug that possibly makes them gay


Speaking from experience: YOU CANNOT TURN GAY. You either are or you aren't.

Yeah, the voice of patriotism never dies.

You think hating gays has anything to do with Patriotism? Boy, Bush really has had more bad effects that I'd thought . . . .

Damn! My birth control plan has failed. All the anti-depressants I've taken have failed to make me a lesbian. Now I still have to worry about BC. :rolleyes:

Yeah, the voice of patriotism never dies.
Sir, you're a patriot like I'm a liberal. Puh-leeeze.

You'd be patriotic, if say, this were Germany circa the 40's.

Sir, you're a patriot like I'm a liberal. Puh-leeeze.

You'd be patriotic, if say, this were Germany circa the 40's.

OMG, you're kidding. And I never guessed this whole time. :eek:

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

without looking at other posts: cause and effect?

perhaps homosexuals are more likely to be depressed because of the social stigma and the unreasonable hatred towards them. So they are more likely to take anti-depressants.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

I would have to see some science backing this up.

Why are there gay people who have never taken anti-depressants, and people who take anti-depressants. This sounds like a false cause argument to me. What if they're taking anti-depressants to deal with the social stigma and ostrization they have to carry?

OMG, you're kidding. And I never guessed this whole time. :eek:
:D That' guy's also as intelligent as I am Republican.

Yeah, the voice of patriotism never dies.
In this case, the voice of the intolerant, closed-minded biggots.

Yeah, and all the Baseball players were ripped and buff BEFORE taking steroids, the steroids didn't make them that way obviously....
Steroids have an established and well documented cause, this story of "meds make people gay" story has not established that as a cause. It is built on a fallacy.

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc

This fallacy is similar to post hoc ergo propter hoc. The fallacy is to assert that because two events occur together, they must be causally related. It's a fallacy because it ignores other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events.

"Literacy rates have steadily declined since the advent of television. Clearly television viewing impedes learning."

This fallacy is a special case of the more general non causa pro causa.

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#cumhoc

Is it just me, or do we seem to have some slightly loopy newbs lately?

without looking at other posts: cause and effect?

perhaps homosexuals are more likely to be depressed because of the social stigma and the unreasonable hatred towards them. So they are more likely to take anti-depressants.
LOL

You called the false cause fallacy just a few minutes before I did. :cool:

Is it just me, or do we seem to have some slightly loopy newbs lately?
It's just you. Nothing weird about attracting biggots and religious nuts.

More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!
Haha, you're crazy!

Weren't you the same guy who made the thread about how gays don't deserve civil rights?

Jesus titty-humping Christ! I've never read such a load in my life. Everybody knows that it's flouride and LSD that give the kids gay. Not Prozac and Paxil.

Yeah, and all the Baseball players were ripped and buff BEFORE taking steroids, the steroids didn't make them that way obviously....

Did you know that taking steroids makes you more likely to become a baseball player?

Haha, you're crazy!

Weren't you the same guy who made the thread about how gays don't deserve civil rights?
Yeah,he made that thread "Homosexuals are a negative influence!" where the argument it revolved around was seeing gays kiss in public would turn kids gay. That was the first thread I ever debated in!

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

"New story: Is skateboarding turning your child gay?"

without looking at other posts: cause and effect?

perhaps homosexuals are more likely to be depressed because of the social stigma and the unreasonable hatred towards them. So they are more likely to take anti-depressants.

Perhaps individuals who take anti-depressants are already suicidal, perhaps people who take Vioxx are already going to have a heart attack. Maybe people who smoke were going to die from lung cancer anyway.

There is a clear correlation between the growing number of homosexuals who used ADD/ADHD or anti-depressant drugs during childhood.

It's already been proven that homosexuality is in the brain, and these drugs influence hormones and other connections in the brain that could easily confuse a child between a girl a boy, just like it can confuse a child with right and wrong. Which is worse of the two evils? a homosexual child or a violent killing child such as those we witnessed in columbine and other such high profile child crimes??

Perhaps individuals who take anti-depressants are already suicidal, perhaps people who take Vioxx are already going to have a heart attack. Maybe people who smoke were going to die from lung cancer anyway.
You've already had it demonstrated that you are making a false analogy. You need proof they weren't suicidal before, and it's rather commonly accepted that suicide is correlated with depression, and depression is why people take antidepressants, so you'd need really good evidence for proof, and you have none.
There is a clear correlation between the growing number of homosexuals who used ADD/ADHD or anti-depressant drugs during childhood.
But which way does the correlation go, is the question?
It's already been proven that homosexuality is in the brain, and these drugs influence hormones and other connections in the brain that could easily confuse a child between a girl a boy, just like it can confuse a child with right and wrong.
:confused:
I suppose...
Which is worse of the two evils? a homosexual child or a violent killing child such as those we witnessed in columbine and other such high profile child crimes??
One isn't an evil, so obviously a gay child isn't as bad.

Perhaps individuals who take anti-depressants are already suicidal, perhaps people who take Vioxx are already going to have a heart attack. Maybe people who smoke were going to die from lung cancer anyway.

There is a clear correlation between the growing number of homosexuals who used ADD/ADHD or anti-depressant drugs during childhood.

It's already been proven that homosexuality is in the brain, and these drugs influence hormones and other connections in the brain that could easily confuse a child between a girl a boy, just like it can confuse a child with right and wrong. Which is worse of the two evils? a homosexual child or a violent killing child such as those we witnessed in columbine and other such high profile child crimes??

There is no reason why people with a tendency to develop lung cancer are more likely to begin smoking. Gay people are often confused and suffer because society sees someone as hetero untill proven otherwise and because some people have an irrational hatred towards them. This is a reason to believe they are more likely to be depressed.

On your last point: i believe that sexual preference is formed during pregnancy. Hormonal impulses during that stage shape the brain while it is growing. You can't achieve the same effect afterwards. You could do some experiments (with chimps i suppose) to try to change the preferences of a population by exposing them to hormones.

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.


Well, could it be that homosexuality is the cause of children to be harrassed by their environment so that they become depressed and resort to drugs?

So, just stop harassing gays and you don't need drugs.

MMmmmm drugs...

Well, could it be that homosexuality is the cause of children to be harrassed by their environment so that they become depressed and resort to drugs?

So, just stop harassing gays and you don't need drugs.

The only reason homosexuality exists in the first place is because of mind altering drugs!

The only reason homosexuality exists in the first place is because of mind altering drugs!


Problem. I'm a homosexual. I have never taken a mind-altering drug. Gee, how many more totally incorrect statements can you make?

Problem. I'm a homosexual. I have never taken a mind-altering drug. Gee, how many more totally incorrect statements can you make?

Must have been magic then! Yes! Faerie Godparents!! *spasms*

Well, about the suicide bit, wanna know how many of them would have commited suicide without the meds?
A lot more, I'd bet.

Also, if you're going to make wild claims like antidepressants turning people gay, it would be a really good idea to have a source in your first post there.
Was thinking the same thing

The only reason homosexuality exists in the first place is because of mind altering drugs!

can i please ues my malet of silence on him!!!

Problem. I'm a homosexual. I have never taken a mind-altering drug. Gee, how many more totally incorrect statements can you make?
Sure you have - the government slips them into vaccinations and drinking water. ;)

Sure you have - the government slips them into vaccinations and drinking water. ;)
:eek:
I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!!!

The news about the anti-depressant drugs have been all over the news lately since many people blaim them for causing teens and children to commit suicide and random acts of violence. More and More these same surveys were finding that they were also increasing the likely hood that it would make a child gay!!

Exactly similar to the studies released several years ago relating the correlation of ADD and ADHD drugs to causing children/teens to become gay.

These drugs need to be banned by the FDA, it is causing psychological damage to young children/teens and causing them to become homosexuals and commit suicide. It must be stopped.

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. In other words, this is built on a false cause fallacy. Are the drugs making them gay, or are they on the drugs because they're depressed from dealing with being gay in a highly homophobic society?

This report has been floating around and there's NO science to back it up, and yet all the homophobes in America are jumping on it like this is some huge scientific and important break through. It's not, it's gutter science making headlines.

There is no reason why people with a tendency to develop lung cancer are more likely to begin smoking. Gay people are often confused and suffer because society sees someone as hetero untill proven otherwise and because some people have an irrational hatred towards them. This is a reason to believe they are more likely to be depressed.

On your last point: i believe that sexual preference is formed during pregnancy. Hormonal impulses during that stage shape the brain while it is growing. You can't achieve the same effect afterwards. You could do some experiments (with chimps i suppose) to try to change the preferences of a population by exposing them to hormones.

I remember hearing something about a plan to bomb al-queda locations with aphrodesiac bombs causing these devoutly religous people to decend into an orgy of gay sex, thus harming their morale (cause it worked so badly for the fledgling Roman city-state), but I can't find it now for the life of me.

If anyone else has heard of it, please mention it.

If anyone else has heard of it, please mention it.
I did. There have been 3 or 4 thrads on it here that I've seen...

The only reason homosexuality exists in the first place is because of mind altering drugs!


ROFLMAO

Are you serious? Is this whole thread a joke? What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?

I remember hearing something about a plan to bomb al-queda locations with aphrodesiac bombs causing these devoutly religous people to decend into an orgy of gay sex, thus harming their morale (cause it worked so badly for the fledgling Roman city-state), but I can't find it now for the life of me.

If anyone else has heard of it, please mention it.
You mean the "gay bomb" the government has been unsuccessfully developing for something like 30 years?

Problem. I'm a homosexual. I have never taken a mind-altering drug. Gee, how many more totally incorrect statements can you make?

Your parents took drugs.

:rolleyes: Your parents took drugs.

Get real.

Your parents took drugs.

Hah! You realize that the drugs they are talking about did not exist when I was born right? Of course you don't, thirteen year olds rarely see past this own exist to try to conceive a time when things might've been different from what they've always known . . . . heck, any adults have the same problem!

:rolleyes:

Get real.

Oh no, please let him stay imaginary. If he gets real, he might get elected to an office some day!

Of course you don't, thirteen year olds rarely see past this own exist to try to conceive a time when things might've been different from what they've always known . . .
Amall Madnar's not 13...
At least, from the pic thread, it doesn't look it...

Amall Madnar's not 13...
At least, from the pic thread, it doesn't look it...

<sighs> Another hope. . .dashed.

ROFLMAO

Are you serious? Is this whole thread a joke? What are you smoking?
...What are you smoking?

Clearly, whatever it is, he blames it for his sexuality, and is hoping that research can be provoked that will lead to a cure.

Amall, if you are the voice of patriotism in this country I hope we lose the next war.
Now I'm convinced from some of what you say that you're just a troll and should know better than this crap, because NO ONE can be as stupid as you seem to be.
You fail to respond to any of the challenges against you, besides the once where you came up with "Your parents took drugs."

Amall, if you are the voice of patriotism in this country I hope we lose the next war.
Now I'm convinced from some of what you say that you're just a troll and should know better than this crap, because NO ONE can be as stupid as you seem to be.
You fail to respond to any of the challenges against you, besides the once where you came up with "Your parents took drugs."


You know, I hadn't realized what an honor I'd gotten actually getting a response.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/968097/Hahaha.jpg

That'll teach 'em!

I'm gay. I'm pacifist to a fault. I've never been on any of these drugs. Sucks for your theory.
He didn't say gay people were on drugs he said drugs can sometimes cause teens to become gay

Well, about the suicide bit, wanna know how many of them would have commited suicide without the meds?
A lot more, I'd bet.
Oh sweet Kropotkin, I never thought that I'd see the day when an anarchist would make such a junk utiliterian argument. I'll take you up on that bet. Those who were made suicidel by the drugs would most likely NOT have killed themselves without them. Now give me my money.

ROFLMAO

Are you serious? Is this whole thread a joke? What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?
What are you smoking?A fag. He's smoking a fag.

Here we go.
a)The drug does not cause you to commit suicide. Those who commit suicide on the drug do so because they were so screwed up beforehand that even the drug couldn't help. Don't blame the drug, blame whatever caused these poor souls to get so depressed in the first place.
b)The drug does not make you gay. The reason homosexuality and anti-depressants show up in the same kids: THEY'RE DEPRESSED BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY MIGHT BE GAY!!!! Duh.
c)Not related to the drug---you seem to think that suicide and homosexuality are in the same category. What is your ******g problem if someone wants to have sex with people of their own gender? It's hardly something to get outraged about. Christ you're hateful.

Oh sweet Kropotkin...

This post makes the whole thread worthwhile. Well done, FOE.

I think that Amall Madnar and Skapedroe are both puppets of the same person.

Here we go.
a)The drug does not cause you to commit suicide. Those who commit suicide on the drug do so because they were so screwed up beforehand that even the drug couldn't help. Don't blame the drug, blame whatever caused these poor souls to get so depressed in the first place.
Can you link me to the extensive field study that you've done on this? Oh? It's just common sense? I don't think so. From what I understand, the drugs have been clinicly shown to actually cause depression.

This post makes the whole thread worthwhile. Well done, FOE.
*takes a bow*

Can you link me to the extensive field study that you've done on this? Oh? It's just common sense? I don't think so. From what I understand, the drugs have been clinicly shown to actually cause depression.
As soon as there's a source for the original post, you can ask me about my source.

Can you link me to the extensive field study that you've done on this? Oh? It's just common sense? I don't think so. From what I understand, the drugs have been clinicly shown to actually cause depression.


*takes a bow*

Actually they've been shown to cause a slight increase in suicide rates. Prevailing wisdom is that this is because the newer anti-depressants give increased energy in some people. If someone is severely depressed their energy level is so low they're practically zombies. When they get the energy increase before their mood lift they now have the motivation to carry out their plans.

As soon as there's a source for the original post, you can ask me about my source.Unless you've been living under a sizable boulder this past year, you'd have heard plenty of discussions about this in the media. But here's a random article for you:

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/depression/a/04_andep_suicde.htm

Now please give me a link to a news story that mentions this massive study that you have contucted. Thanks.

Actually they've been shown to cause a slight increase in suicide rates. Prevailing wisdom is that this is because the newer anti-depressants give increased energy in some people. If someone is severely depressed their energy level is so low they're practically zombies. When they get the energy increase before their mood lift they now have the motivation to carry out their plans.
WEll, that makes sense. I take back part A--but I stand by B and C!

You mean the "gay bomb" the government has been unsuccessfully developing for something like 30 years?

I hadn't realized that it had been going on for so long. To judge by some of the fashion from the 70's and 80's it looks like they had some early success. I wonder what happened.

Can you link me to the extensive field study that you've done on this? Oh? It's just common sense? I don't think so. From what I understand, the drugs have been clinicly shown to actually cause depression.
No, they actually haven't. The study was flawed, and an overwhelming majority of psychiatrists do not see any problem with anti-depressants.

He didn't say gay people were on drugs he said drugs can sometimes cause teens to become gay
It's still based on a false cause argument.

Oh sweet Kropotkin, I never thought that I'd see the day when an anarchist would make such a junk utiliterian argument. I'll take you up on that bet. Those who were made suicidel by the drugs would most likely NOT have killed themselves without them. Now give me my money.
Provide data to prove that please.

Can you link me to the extensive field study that you've done on this? Oh? It's just common sense? I don't think so. From what I understand, the drugs have been clinicly shown to actually cause depression.
Proof please.

A gene for it? I'd be interested in seeing a source on that...


If you type "homosexual gene" in google you get a lot of sights trying to undermine it or prove it, really though, this isn't a 100% thing. However, a lot of people in the genetics field are going along with homosexuality being a gene. In theory, it is believed to be a form of darwinism to help prevent overpopulation of a species, when genetic material is too spread out the specimen born from the varied gene pool will be homosexual, in order to try to prevent it from reproducing, and thus slowing down population growth. When you consider that we have an extremely large population as a species, you can see that it makes a bit of sense.

If you type "homosexual gene" in google you get a lot of sights trying to undermine it or prove it, really though, this isn't a 100% thing. However, a lot of people in the genetics field are going along with homosexuality being a gene.

actually, there is currently not a single reputable geneticist who supports the idea of a gay gene. nobody who has any reasonable understanding of human genetics would ever suggest that a single gene could possibly control such a complex set of behaviors as human sexuality. also, anybody in the field of genetics would be familiar with twin studies, which conclusively prove that homosexuality cannot be 100% genetic.

In theory, it is believed to be a form of darwinism to help prevent overpopulation of a species, when genetic material is too spread out the specimen born from the varied gene pool will be homosexual, in order to try to prevent it from reproducing, and thus slowing down population growth. When you consider that we have an extremely large population as a species, you can see that it makes a bit of sense.
that theory has been discarded by scientists long since. natural selection does not work on a population, it works on the individual, and as a result the trait of altruism would be weeded out of any genetic population. this "theory" for the genetic necessity of homosexuality is one that does not hold water in any serious academic field.

Interesting thing about the twin studies: They seem to both conclusively proove that homosexuality is not entirely controlled by genetics or conditions in the womb, but they also seem to conclusively prove that homosexuality is highly affected by genes and/or conditions in the womb.

Interesting thing about the twin studies: They seem to both conclusively proove that homosexuality is not entirely controlled by genetics or conditions in the womb, but they also seem to conclusively prove that homosexuality is highly affected by genes and/or conditions in the womb.
exactly. homosexuality cannot be 100% genetic, but it is pretty clearly influenced by genetics.

actually, there is currently not a single reputable geneticist who supports the idea of a gay gene. nobody who has any reasonable understanding of human genetics would ever suggest that a single gene could possibly control such a complex set of behaviors as human sexuality. also, anybody in the field of genetics would be familiar with twin studies, which conclusively prove that homosexuality cannot be 100% genetic.

that theory has been discarded by scientists long since. natural selection does not work on a population, it works on the individual, and as a result the trait of altruism would be weeded out of any genetic population. this "theory" for the genetic necessity of homosexuality is one that does not hold water in any serious academic field.

Ever hear of Klinefelter's Syndrome?

Ever hear of Klinefelter's Syndrome?
yes. what about it?

He didn't say gay people were on drugs he said drugs can sometimes cause teens to become gay

But then he implied that I am gay because my parents took drugs. The implication here is that people are gay because of drugs. . . not that drugs turn some people gay.

c)Not related to the drug---you seem to think that suicide and homosexuality are in the same category. What is your ******g problem if someone wants to have sex with people of their own gender? It's hardly something to get outraged about. Christ you're hateful.


While I appreciate your support of homosexuality, I try to never pass the chance to correct the fallacy.

Being gay is NOT just about sex with your own gender any more than heterosexuality is just about sex with people of the opposite gender. There is also intaimcy, passion, emotional fulfillment, intellectual stimulation, and dare I say, LOVE.

Can you link me to the extensive field study that you've done on this? Oh? It's just common sense? I don't think so. From what I understand, the drugs have been clinicly shown to actually cause depression.


Actually the suicide syndrome associated with these drugs is something that is medically well known and occurs within the first week or so of being on the drug. You see, the patient takes them and the effects are not immediate. This can make an already depressed patient even worse because they blame themselves. I don't have time to dig up a source right now, but I believe that it is termed Serotonin Syndrome--I had a doctor go over it with me one day at the free clinic.

yes. what about it?
Then you ought to know that it is a genetic malady that leads men and women to be extra masculine or feminine. There are four combinations:

Man with YYX chromosomes (tend to be overly macho)
Man with YXX chromosomes (tend to be affeminite)
Woman with YYY chromosomes (tend to be overly affeminite)
Woman with YYX chromosomes (tend to be "butch")

Interesting thing about the twin studies: They seem to both conclusively proove that homosexuality is not entirely controlled by genetics or conditions in the womb, but they also seem to conclusively prove that homosexuality is highly affected by genes and/or conditions in the womb.
Yes. In fact, evidence points to both genetics and embryology. Fraternal twins are 1/4 likely to be homosexual if on of the twins is, and identicle twins 1/2.

Then you ought to know that it is a genetic malady that leads men and women to be extra masculine or feminine. There are four combinations:

Man with YYX chromosomes (tend to be overly macho)
Man with YXX chromosomes (tend to be affeminite)
Woman with YYY chromosomes (tend to be overly affeminite)
Woman with YYX chromosomes (tend to be "butch")
You obviously have very little clue on what you're talking about. Klinefelter's syndrome is strictly XXY trisomy, which is a male karyotypic disorder. Turner's syndrome is X monosomy in women. The other two possible combinations are XYY syndrome (male) and XXX syndrome (female). Neither Y monosomy nor YYY trisomy are possible.

Men with Klinefelter's syndrome typically have gynecomastia (excessive development of the breast in males), a rounded body with abnormal body proportions, sparse facial and body hair, small testes, and are unable to produce sperm. Turner's syndrome is much more variable, and women with it can have a shorter stature, lymphoedema (swelling) of the hands and feet, a broad chest, widely spaced nipples, a low hairline, low-set ears, and, less commonly, a small lower jaw, cubitus valgus (turned-out elbows), a webbed neck, soft or upturned nails, pigmented moles, hearing loss, and a high-arched palate. XYY men show no distinctive traits, though they may be slightly taller, have more severe acne, skeletal malformations, larger hands and feet, and have behavioral problems. If I recall, a high percentage of males in prison have this chromosmal abnormality. XXX women are usually taller and may have menstrual irregularities, and may have an increased risk of learning disabilities and delayed speech and language skills.

Finally, a gay drug. The ultimate pharmacological prank. *rubs hands together and grins wickedly*
You never fail us, LG. Thank you.

The forum niche you are trying to fill is already occupied by Jesussaves. Thanks for your interest; we'll call you if there is an opening.

Close, but no cigar. Amall Madnar has been around longer. Also, Amall Madnar is the resident anti-gay troll, while Jesussaves occupies the resident fundie troll niche.

Then you ought to know that it is a genetic malady that leads men and women to be extra masculine or feminine. There are four combinations:

Man with YYX chromosomes (tend to be overly macho)
Man with YXX chromosomes (tend to be affeminite)
Woman with YYY chromosomes (tend to be overly affeminite)
Woman with YYX chromosomes (tend to be "butch")
yeah, Gnostikos responded to this. i don't know what you think you are talking about, but that's not Klinefelter's. for one thing, a "woman" with YYY would not survive gestation.

there are, so far, absolutely no chromosomal disorders that have been correlated with any particular sexual orientation. the gender of the individual can, obviously, be strongly impacted, but that is a matter of anatomy and morphology. there is a HUGE difference between physical sex of an individual and that individual's sexual orientation...the two aren't at all the same thing.

yeah, Gnostikos responded to this. i don't know what you think you are talking about, but that's not Klinefelter's.
And also not possible...
It gave me a laugh there, though.
YYY women?
:D

And how in hell can you have men AND women who are XYY?
:p

And how in hell can you have men AND women who are XYY?
:p
i can sort of answer that...

as far as i know, there is only one phenotype that arrises from XYY genotype, but it IS possible to have an XY woman or an XX man. this is because your sex is actually determined by the behavior of a particular gene locus, the SRY locus. if this region becomes activated appropriately, an XY individual will become male in phenotype. however, if the locus doesn't activate, or if the normal cascade of hormones does not work as intended, the XY individual will retain female phenotype. conversely, there can be individuals with XX who have an abnormally activated SRY region, who develop male phenotype.

i actually know a girl who is XY. she really really is a girl (i've seen her in the lockerroom), and nobody would ever know that she is XY at all. she's actually pretty hot.

i can sort of answer that...

as far as i know, there is only one phenotype that arrises from XYY genotype, but it IS possible to have an XY woman or an XX man. this is because your sex is actually determined by the behavior of a particular gene locus, the SRY locus. if this region becomes activated appropriately, an XY individual will become male in phenotype. however, if the locus doesn't activate, or if the normal cascade of hormones does not work as intended, the XY individual will retain female phenotype. conversely, there can be individuals with XX who have an abnormally activated SRY region, who develop male phenotype.

i actually know a girl who is XY. she really really is a girl (i've seen her in the lockerroom), and nobody would ever know that she is XY at all. she's actually pretty hot.

Yup, this is all that anti-Mullerian hormone and other related hormone stuff isn't it? Like, you could lack receptors for the required hormones...

My brain is like a sieve! I just learned this stuff last semester.

Yup, this is all that anti-Mullerian hormone and other related hormone stuff isn't it? Like, you could lack receptors for the required hormones...

My brain is like a sieve! I just learned this stuff last semester.
lol, i know what you mean. i tried to have a conversation about meetabolic pathways with somebody the other day, and i totally blanked...i know i learned that stuff three months ago, or at least i was in the classroom while they were teaching it...