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THE OTHER THREAD FAILED TO GET MY DESIRED RESPONSE.IT BECAME A DISCUSSION ABOUT RACISM. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT!!
first off, i am a true free speech supporter, even when what is being said is hateful,inflammatory or just plain unpopular.
i would also like to say,i understand the difference between wite supremacy, white power, white nationalism, aryan prison gangs, and the other multitude of groups. if you feel the need to explain yourself , feel free though
i would like to know, why are some (and i said SOME) groups running scared, and on empty? why do you/they feel the need to state your beliefs and pride on a platform of fear? what exactly do you plan do to further your agenda? why are the lower rung white power groups content with just attacking a minority (seven against one) and calling that type of cowardly violence progress? why hasnt your movement gained steam? and, for the groups that are reverent to adolf hitler.... why didnt he/they / you solve the "jewish problem"? why couldnt you?
NO FLAMING,TROLLING, BAITING OR ATTACKING. THAT GOES FOR BOTH SIDES. (IF YOU JUST WANT TO INSULT PEOPLE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE)


NOTE: anyone who wants to drop in here and just say that they hate racists, thanks but no thanks. this thread is about gaining a better understanding of white supremacy/white nationalism. i am once again stating this thread is not a place to attack peoples beliefs, and anyone doing so is being reported to moderation. i am also going to consider comments about how non racists feel about racists to be spam, and perhaps flamebait. that is an entirely different subject, so start a thread if you want. this posting was and still is , addressed to followers/believers of nazism and the like. please stay on topic.
those of you with valid, respectful arguments, questions , and comments, thank you.

i also appreciate all posting by white supremacists on this thread. many of you are members of "whites only" regions. maybe you will consider posting a message on the region board asking others to come and comment.

Is it all right if I still play the Devil's Advocate? If so, I have my first argument.

yes. yes
like i said though, i hope you are accurate representation.

They are fighting a losing battle. Their biggest enemy is understanding, and the current level of education and communication has really put them in a corner, so they have to strike out.

Now, I am not a white supremist, per se, but I am a Brad supremist, and since I am white, I guess I can qualify.

out.

Now, I am not a white supremist, per se, but I am a Brad supremist, and since I am white, I guess I can qualify.

i am a brad supremacist , too. ;)

Counter-argument against the idea that different races do not exist:
[IC: I actually believe that different races exist, although the stereotypes here are way too general, imo.]
The theory that races differ in abilities according to genetics is well supported by the evidence. Arthur Jensen's argues that differences in mental capacity and testosterone/estrogen levels (inversely related) result from race groups being isolated in different climates. Colder climates supposedly produce a more intelligent, whereas warmer climates produce races with higher levels of estrogen and testosterone.

This occurs because those in colder climates have to plan more carefully when searching for food and preparing for winter. Those with greater mental capacity for performing these actions soon dominated these races. However, colder climates cause more early deaths, so that races isolated in these climates do not have to compete with one another as much (because the populations aren't as large) and so higher levels of sex hormones (which cause a person to produce more offspring) are less advantageous or even disadvantageous.

Populations in warmer climates do not have the same amount of pressure to gather food and prepare for winter, so they did not evolve as quickly in mental capacity as those in colder climates. However, these populations did evolve more quickly in their levels of sex hormones because the competition among members to produce more offspring was greater.

These two tenants of Arthur Jensen's theory make many predictions that evidence supports. Africans dominate in sports (because of their increased testosterone), whereas Asians (who are descended from the natives of Siberia) dominate invention. As someone has already mentioned, the Chinese (and not the Europeans) have invented more than any other race. The Europeans fall between the Asians and Africans in both athletic and mental ability.

The worth of Jensen's model is proved even more by the characteristics of sub-races. Eastern Europeans dominate chess. This dominance reflects the fact that they are both highly competitive (unlike the Asians), and highly intelligent (unlike the Africans). They even have more of a stress on intelligence (because of some intermingling with Asians) than most Europeans, and Jensn's model predicts that this type of combination (some competitiveness plus even more intelligence) would be best for a game like chess.

Also, the Japenese and Eastern Asians who have been isolated in a warm climate after they left Siberia, are more war-proned than the Chinese, as the model predicts. In Africa, the more Northern Black sub-races are the most intelligent, followed by the South Africans. Again, Jensen's model predicts this because resources are more scarce in the area around the Sahara Desert and in the temporate south than they are in the forests or plains of Central Africa.

Other examples (the peaceful and cooperative Eskimos, the City building Incas) further enforce the validity of this theory. However, the most basic argument against it is that any one race has almost the same gene pool as any other race. Although this is true, the prevalence of genes differs among the different races. So although all races have fools and geniuses, crippleds and athletes, Africa has more fools and athletes, Asia has more crippleds and geniuses, and Europe has some of all four of these.

i am a brad supremacist , too. ;)

You are hitched to a shooting star, baby.

The movement is still small but it is growing by leaps and bounds. :D

Is there any reason why you have chosen to be a white supremacist? [Besides being white to qualify] Is there a selection process for the groups which believe in the doctrine of white supremacy?

I'm just trying to figure where you're coming from on this issue. I could care less what you are speaking, I would, however, like to understand why you are speaking it. Consider this post an invitation to persuade me.

Good question for white supremists.

(it doesn't apply to Occ you realise?)

As someone has already mentioned, the Chinese (and not the Europeans) have invented more than any other race.
Do you have proof of this? How do you measure and compare the number and complexity of inventions?

Is there any reason why you have chosen to be a white supremacist? [Besides being white to qualify] Is there a selection process for the groups which believe in the doctrine of white supremacy?

I'm just trying to figure where you're coming from on this issue. I could care less what you are speaking, I would, however, like to understand why you are speaking it. Consider this post an invitation to persuade me.
here is an invitation. go to the pic thread and look me up.

here is an invitation. go to the pic thread and look me up.

OMG!! OM, you're.....black.

Do you have proof of this? How do you measure and compare the number and complexity of inventions?
my thought also. a poster in the other thread, bottle, i believe, demonstrated how "one invention washes another inventions hands"

here is an invitation. go to the pic thread and look me up.


Soooo, what? Are you going to get the same operation like Michael did? Are you just planning for your future when you become white? Will you molest children also?

OMG!! OM, you're.....black.
get it right, you bastard.
50 % Italian,.
25% Cherokee
25 % black, if you throw my romanian great granddad out.
clarity........

Soooo, what? Are you going to get the same operation like Michael did? Are you just planning for your future when you become white? Will you molest children also?

It appears Giuseppe-san is having trouble grasping the initial point of the initial post.

Soooo, what? Are you going to get the same operation like Michael did? Are you just planning for your future when you become white? Will you molest children also?
well, based on this post, you no longer count. you are also an embarrassment to your italian nation name, chooch.

get it right, you bastard.
50 % Italian,.
25% Cherokee
25 % black, if you throw my romanian great granddad out.
clarity........

Geez, you completely missed out on all the good ethnicities, but it must be an interesting family reunion. :p

(And remember to never take me seriously)

Geez, you completely missed out on all the good ethnicities, but it must be an interesting family reunion. :p

(And remember to never take me seriously)
hahahahha. but if i could tell you the great things those ethnicities have given me. and hey, i am on msn. quit trying to raise your post count by spamming my thread, lover.

White supremacy is much like the previously mentioned "Brad supremacy." Because we cannot change who we are, we have decided to be proud of this and to exercise the abilities we have as a people. If we are wrong that whites are supreme, then Black supremacists, Asian supremacists, or moderates will eventually beat us. However, we have solid reason to believe that we are right. Whites rule the world. This supports the idea that we are superior at taking control. If we were not, we wouldn't have dominated so easily.

Althought these comments sound war like, they are not necessarily so. The most basic way that whites have taken control of the world is through economic competition. When Europeans began trading with Africans, both sides were on equal terms. However, eventually Europeans effectively bought all of Africa because we are superior economists.

However, Colonialism was a mistake, in most cases. The natives of Africa have fought us for control of their homeland. The same thing occured in Asia. They rightfully do not want us to destroy their culture. We could have easily subjugated them, but this was not worth the price. I know this sounds cocky, but do you really think they could stop the most powerful armies in the world. Eventually, it became unprofitable for us to try to dominate other cultures. Although this dominance pays high dividends in terms of evolutionary advantages, it costs too many good lives and too many of our resources that could have advanced us further than world domination has.

This is why we now advocate seperation of races. Although our natural tendency is to dominate other races in war, in politics, and in economics, this is no longer the most beneficial option (as I argued above). Therefore, we should seperate ourselves from the African and Asian races, so that we do not dominate them, causing them to try to overthrow our dominance, which costs us too much. Mixed individuals may choose whichever culture they prefer, as they will soon become assimilated into the ones that they choose.

It appears Giuseppe-san is having trouble grasping the initial point of the initial post.

After re-re-reading the initial post, and its 14 questions, I have finally gotten on board for why you are starting this post. Clarity is a concern of mine. A simple question would suffice. But I digress.

If you're asking why some white people do not like minorities, look at affirmative action. This is typically the building block for the hatred of minorities. If you're asking why some white people fear minorities, look at crime rate demographics. I am not saying that all minorities are dangerous, or that whites cannot be dangerous. But statistically, if I were to be mugged, beated, shot, killed, etc. the crime would have been commited by a minority.

Example: Arab looking people are getting the worst of the racial profiling nowadays. There was a small quiz released on the internet to illustrate the logic behind profiling them in this way. An example of the questions follows:

In 1993, an attempt to blow up and topple the WTC was carried out by:
A.) Mickey Mouse
B.) Puff Daddy
C.) Lindsey Lohan
D.) A group of militant arab males between the ages of 18 and 45.

The questions go on and on, with the same pattern that most of the terrorist plots within the past 50 years have been carried out by militant arab males between the ages 18 and 45.

The same logic applies to white supremacist groups. They fear and hate minorities. Minoritites have formed gangs. So to combat the gangs, whites band together in these groups.

At least that is my opinion on the subject, I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by Trilateral Commission
Do you have proof of this? How do you measure and compare the number and complexity of inventions?

Well now that the countries are competing in a "global marketplace," Japan has dominated the technology industries. China and India are rising very quickly in these markets as well. While they did not invent the basic technology on which they are improving, they can improve on American inventions so well because they have a higher prevalence of geniuses, and therefore more inventors. Although this isn't a pure count of which race has invented the most, it is probably a better comparison because it eliminates the faulty comparisons that arise from the fact that many inventions of one race are sometimes based on the inventions of another. Improving on American inventions does not make Asians less inventive than Europeans any more than Plato and Aristotle are less capable philosophers because they came after Socrates. The results of the competitions in the technology market indicate that Asians are more capable at making advances in technology.

*snip*
We're not discussing racism or the whys of racism. We are discussing what white nationalists want and how they think their ideal world would look.

look, guiseppe doesnt get it. gets nothing at all, in fact. look at the prior posts of his/hers to me.

Mixed individuals may choose whichever culture they prefer, as they will soon become assimilated into the ones that they choose.
watch out for me. i am picking aryan, just to be a bitch.
but really, that isnt feasible, as most people are of a mixed race, somehow.

Originally Posted by Sinuhue
We are discussing what white nationalists want and how they think their ideal world would look.

Ideally, all the races would return to their original lands. (I disagree with those who say that whites should have Anglo-America.) Whites would continue to trade with Africans and Asians, but we would no longer move into their nations to dominate them. This would allow whites to be extremely prosperous because we have a more even ratio of good thinkers to good workers. It would also remove the violent tendencies of Africans from European culture. Perhaps they are only violent because they are misplaced in our culture (although the fact that Africans have a higher prevalency of men with high testosterone does not support this). If this is the case, than Africans should just as much want to seperate the races. Whether the causes of racial differences and conflicts are purely genetic, purely societal, or somewhere between, seperating the races would end this tension.

watch out for me. i am picking aryan, just to be a bitch.
but really, that isnt feasible, as most people are of a mixed race, somehow.
heh, you're pretty fucking aryan, too. quite the blonde, blue-eyed WASP. :D

Originally Posted by Occidio Multus
watch out for me. i am picking aryan, just to be a bitch.
but really, that isnt feasible, as most people are of a mixed race, somehow.

For instance, I am 1/32 Cherokee. However, only people who have a near equal mix of at least two races may choose. Near equal is defined as equal to or less than 25% for the difference between the percentages of each race the individual is, measured back to the great grandparents. Thus you may choose your race between European (Italian) and Asian (American Indian, Cherokee), but not black (because your grandfather was not fully black).

This percentage difference is not totally arbitrary because 25% comes from one grandparent. So if you have a grandparent who is fully one race, you may choose that ethnicity, unless your other three grandparents are fully the same race, in which case your other grandparent has obviously chosen the race of the other three (as both him or her and his or her child decided to marry a member of that main race).

The choice of grandparents as the defining factor of race is significant because most people knew their grandparents, but never knew their great grandparents. Thus, grandparents might actually affect your choice, whereas great grandparents probably will not. The cutoff line for consideration of percentages was set one generation later so that we could more accurately determine the ethnicity of the grandparents.

Im a socalist but whatever just here to make a single point, the kind of gentic varition that you are talking about brain capacity ect would take much more than the 1000 or so generation that it took for humanity to spread out over the globe. Not to mention your making huge huge huge genralisaions well not you that chap you where talking about on the last page, its true that the asians laid some fundementals to western science but no one any where has been any where close western science since it shot off mid 1500ad.

Unless you happen to be a person who believes in white supremacy, (or can at least argue their case well), then START ANOTHER THREAD TO DISCUSS RACISM.

Cripes.

Sorry...it's just....never mind. :headbang:

1. What are the modern white supremacy organisations' views an a global economy?

2. When my blond, blue-eyed ancestors were freezeing their asses of and misplacing stone weapons for future archeological excavations the Egyptians were erecting pyramids and using advanced mathematics (and mind you, today it was -33C here). How come?
Well, for how long do you think that guy would have survived without electricity? And looking at the number of diseases found in warmer areas, well I say that these proven lower Iq rates of black people simply exists because (as also proven with an all college educated test-group) the lack of education.
What I'd say seems pretty obvious is that the more advanced (I say, advanced as "has developed" since I have doubts for the prosperity of the civilised society) the society, the more the society in question contributes to science.

Well now that the countries are competing in a "global marketplace," Japan has dominated the technology industries. China and India are rising very quickly in these markets as well.
Cultures have interacted with each other since the beginning of time and examining some facts of history refutes your point that Japan would automatically dominate in any global crosscultural competetitive situation. In the 16th and 17th century, when economic progress and global trade was just as vibrant as in today's world, the Japanese invasion of Korea/China (imjinwarin) was defeated by a vastly technologically superior Korean navy.
While they did not invent the basic technology on which they are improving, they can improve on American inventions so well because they have a higher prevalence of geniuses, and therefore more inventors. Although this isn't a pure count of which race has invented the most, it is probably a better comparison because it eliminates the faulty comparisons that arise from the fact that many inventions of one race are sometimes based on the inventions of another. Improving on American inventions does not make Asians less inventive than Europeans any more than Plato and Aristotle are less capable philosophers because they came after Socrates. The results of the competitions in the technology market indicate that Asians are more capable at making advances in technology.
This has nothing to do with genetics or race. Advancements in technology are caused by extremely complex and interrelated factors, including geography, culture, resources, and sheer luck. India and China are not developing rapidly because Indians or Chinese are racially superior. There are a huge number of influences for the rise of large Asian economies, including religion, Confucian ethics, low wages, and the simple fact that Europe, Japan, and the US are already developed and cannot expand much more. And you are completely ignorant of history by just focusing on the "technology market" of today. In different times of history, different people held technological supremacy, not due to racial differences, but due to the aforementioned historical/cultural causes (geography, etc). There was a time when CHina was the most inventive and advanced nation in the world, and in the 19th century Europe was by far the most technologically advanced region. Why was a puny nation like Scotland able to produce the laws of electromagnetism at a time when China and Japan were both stagnating? Why was China able to invent paper while the Romans has to write on clay or dirt? To answer all these questions you can't just say one group of people is racially superior to another. THere are many complex trends and patterns in history which appear to favor one nationality over others which can only be explained in a very indepth analysis of history. Read "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond, who does an excellent job of synthesizing science, history, geography, and other subjects to explain these differences in civilizations, totally debunking theories of racial superiority.

I guess I may be missing something here, or perhaps I'm just not astute enough to see it, but when you chaps mentioned the idea of the various races moving back to where they came from, where is your starting point in history?

See for me being the product of so many nationalities it just isn't funny I see a couple of big problems with this, well more precisely, about 300 million problems or so - White people are not native to either Australia, New Zealand, America or Canada. Then you have all the people of Spanish and Portuguise descent in South America, plus a small tribe of aboriginals (yes, as in austrailian aboriginies) that came over way back when after travelling the pacific under their own steam... So you're arguing that all these people be shipped back to their ancestral homes?

I don't know, perhaps I'm over analising this but it seems an awful lot of effort when all is required is a bit of mutual respect and tollerance from all parties....

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hello there om. whats with you not being on this late more often?

i'd like to make some nice, inciteful addition to your very nice thread, but that just would be my style now would it?

oh! oh! I'm a white supremacist! pick me pick me!!

oh! oh! I'm a white supremacist! pick me pick me!!
chosen. now dont talk with your mouth full. ;)

hello there om. whats with you not being on this late more often?

i'd like to make some nice, inciteful addition to your very nice thread, but that just would be my style now would it?
hey guy. usually i am the phantom of the prep room this time of night. or i am flat out drunk. or something else, but its personal.

hey guy. usually i am the phantom of the prep room this time of night. or i am flat out drunk. or something else, but its personal.

is there an "all of the above" option?

oh, and i tg'd you back, just a quick reply. either way, i've got to get off (sorry.. damned school) so i'll talk to you another time.

oh, and sorry to spam your thread, im done.

get it right, you bastard.
50 % Italian,.
25% Cherokee
25 % black, if you throw my romanian great granddad out.
clarity........
Ha HA HA

Yeah chuck the Rumanians out treachorous bastards on the Eastern Front.
Russians dealt to them anyways.
Im NAtionalist!
White Suppremacist no!

The reason the holocust didnt suceed is because it didnt happen havent you heard the new Histories. :p
It failed because Rommel went on the offensive instead of defending as planned.

My godmother is biracial, half black half white. Tan skin, brown eyes, black hair, etc. She married a white guy about 5 years ago, he had black hair and brown eyes. About six months ago they had their first child.

Damned if I can explain it, but the kid looks like a frickin aryan. It's got blue eyes and blond hair ( :confused: ) and could pass as white even though it's technically 1/4 black.

Crazy mysterious shit like that turns one's whole conception of race upside down and inside out. How can one be of a different race than one's own mother?? It makes no goddamn sense.

Strange things are hidden in genetic code.

My godmother is biracial, half black half white. Tan skin, brown eyes, black hair, etc. She married a white guy about 5 years ago, he had black hair and brown eyes. About six months ago they had their first child.

Damned if I can explain it, but the kid looks like a frickin aryan. It's got blue eyes and blond hair ( :confused: ) and could pass as white even though it's technically 1/4 black.

Crazy mysterious shit like that turns one's whole conception of race upside down and inside out. How can one be of a different race than one's own mother?? It makes no goddamn sense.

Strange things are hidden in genetic code.


it has to do with recessive genes. but that isnt what they're wanting to talk about here so i'll let you look it up.

Originally Posted by Trilateral Commission
This has nothing to do with genetics or race. Advancements in technology are caused by extremely complex and interrelated factors, including geography, culture, resources, and sheer luck.

I understand that there are many interrelated causes of differences in the competition among nations. However, now that trade among nations is so fluid, we should expect dominant races (if they exist) to dominate, because inferior races would not be able to rely on effectively keeping secrets from the superior races.
In fact, this is exactly what is happening. Races that we would expect to be superior in certain areas (according to Jensen) are superior now that trade has increased so much among the nations. Although some of this has to do with the fact that the Asian nations have much room for growth, we muct also consider the fact that their workers are more productive considering the comparative lack of resources of Japanese companies in comparison with American companies Only one Japanes company is currently among the top 20 largest in the world. Despite the fact that larger companies tend to have more efficient workers (except in some cases, but especially in oligopolies like the auto industry), Japan, China, and India are still much more productive than the West, even after considering the differences in cost of living.
Eastern Europeans, as I explained earlier, should be and are the best Chess players in the world. Africans (including African Americans and African Europeans) dominate international sports competitions and major sports leagues, especially now that these leagues are more efficiently recruiting poor African countries and poor black neighborhoods and schools.
Meanwhile, Europeans (as predicted by Jensen's model) lead the world in economics and politics. Again, I doubt that all of these are merely due to coincidence. They cannot be caused purely by social factors because the social state of Blacks in Africa is significantly different from the social state of Blacks in America and England, yet the same characteristics dominate among them (strength and high testosterone), while other characteristics are not as prevelant as among other groups (intelligence and leadership). The same applies for Asians in their various populations according to what Jensen predicts about their characteristics.
While I know that differences exist within races so that some Africans may be extremely smart and some Asians may be athletic, the current differences among races are the ratios at which these and other traits appear. While the races were basically seperated, they had reached a natural balance of proper prevelances of various abilities and disabilities in their natural environment. Now that the races have mixed, this balance has been disrupted. That is why the races need to be seperated.

Look, perhaps the reason the overwhelming majority of great books, ideas, inventions.... where invented by white people is that Europe became Christian first. The Catholic Church brought us morality, exposed us to all the greatest ideas, taught the doctrine of free will, preserved knowledge, and is generally responsible for the Western culture we are so proud of. Before Catholicism, we were, if anything, the least civilsed race. We were running around hunting Celts while the pyramids and ziggurats were being built. Granted, there were other factors, but the greatness of Western culture is a gift from God, not from the colour of our skin! Glory and praise to Him!

By the way, I am an embassador from the Anti-Communist Alliance, not a racist.



Racists :sniper:
Jews :sniper:
Everybody else :sniper:
I dislike everybody equally

I dislike everybody equally
:eek:
You're bigoted against sentient beings!
:D

Go spork yourself.