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When Hitler and the Nazi party came into power in Germany, they slowly decieved the German population into thinking the Jews were not human, that it was ok to persecute them. The population (most at least) was brainwashed into believing him, and soon enough there were brainwashed SS regiments rounding up Jews and exterminating them in concentration camps.

Nowadays we have a similar problem. Abortionists have managed to convince people that fetuses are not human and it is ok to kill them. Led by the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, SS-inspired abortion clinics are everywhere and murdering innocent babies. Many people have been tricked into believing they are not human so it is ok to kill them.

See any similarities? I do. Imagine if when Hitler had tried to get in power, the German people had stopped him. No holocaust. While we are right now in the middle of a genocide, and we have the power to stop it, and we should. Think about it.

Are fetuses human though? What makes us human? Clear up those pionts first please.

When abortionists invade Poland, I'll do something about it.

only difference is that fetus's before the third trimester are not even fully developed humans unlike the jews and roma.

Of course old bean, you can also blame the history teachers for not teaching us the real history of the world. I come on, it was the Irish who ruled the Roman Empire, not the Romans.

However much you dislike Abortionists, you cannot link them to Nazis. You do not seem to know much about what the Nazis did in Germany.

When abortionists invade Poland, I'll do something about it.
I'll get involved if France and Britain then declare war on abortionists. Of course, not until after they occupy Paris.

I'll get involved if France and Britain then declare war on abortionists. Of course, not until after they occupy Paris.

What about Belgium, Denmark and Czechoslovakia (sp?)

Holy fucking shit. You managed to invoke Godwin's law in the title of your own thread.

What about Belgium, Denmark and Czechoslovakia (sp?)
their more likely to invade italy then go up into Switzerland.

their more likely to invade italy then go up into Switzerland.

What do you think the Swiss army will try and defend with? They only have bank-notes don't they?

Commando, it's not that people don't consider fetuses life. Science has indeed proven they are.

The debate is now over if they have personhood. I believe that they do, but remember: even if abortion is outlawed it won't necessarily stop it - rather, we need to focus on changing our culture so that it is *much* less culturably permissible to have an abortion

If anyone wants to know my opinion. Abortionists are murderers and should be shot alongside all the other murderers.

And yet you use the very tactic you decry(ie Planned Parenthood = SS). Let's not go into how little you know about the Nazis.

The question of what is human has to be defined. What is it? Self Awareness? If you go by cell activity, then the early stages of development don't count.

Take the anti-abortionists. Everytime there a superhuman effort saves a premature birth that becomes the new measurement of what is a baby. Never mind the fact we don't know the life they will have a "normal" healty existence.

What do you think the Swiss army will try and defend with? They only have bank-notes don't they?
thats why they would invade Switzerland because theres no fucking army.

If anyone wants to know my opinion. Abortionists are murderers and should be shot alongside all the other murderers.

What if they are innocent?

Commando, it's not that people don't consider fetuses life. Science has indeed proven they are.

The debate is now over if they have personhood. I believe that they do, but remember: even if abortion is outlawed it won't necessarily stop it - rather, we need to focus on changing our culture so that it is *much* less culturably permissible to have an abortion

Whether or not they have life is not the issue here; I think even Nazis believed that Jews were alive. Just wanted to point that out; not going to get any further involved in abortion debates (yes, I'm a coward, when it comes to this issue).

If anyone wants to know my opinion. Abortionists are murderers and should be shot alongside all the other murderers.

And the fact that you are so willing to shoot them makes you a murderer as well. So do we get to shoot you?

If anyone wants to know my opinion. Abortionists are murderers and should be shot alongside all the other murderers.
what about rape victims?

thats why they would invade Switzerland because theres no fucking army.

Hehehe, very true old bean.

Commando, it's not that people don't consider fetuses life. Science has indeed proven they are.

The debate is now over if they have personhood. I believe that they do, but remember: even if abortion is outlawed it won't necessarily stop it - rather, we need to focus on changing our culture so that it is *much* less culturably permissible to have an abortion
I agree with most of this, but rather than changing culture to make abortion "shameful", we should change culture/society to reduce the reasons why women feel the need to have abortions. Contraception needs to be spread more widely also, for example I think it could be exempted from VAT (sales tax).

only difference is that fetus's before the third trimester are not even fully developed humans unlike the jews and roma.

Just because they are not a fully developed human doesn't mean that they aren't individuals that will be humans.

Think about this: If you were to go back in time to when someones mom was pregnant with them, and it was before her third trimester, and you convinced her to have an abortion, would it be murder?

If anyone wants to know my opinion. Abortionists are murderers and should be shot alongside all the other murderers.
So everytime a woman has a miscarriage they should be charged with manslaughter? Xygotes and Fetuses arnt human until the later stages of developement, the brain simple hasnt grown yet.

Pictures you see of fetuses trying to swim in the mothers womb are merely innate kinetic responces to external stimuli, as seen woodlice. Nothing more.

If you commit murder you're not innocent.

Just because they are not a fully developed human doesn't mean that they aren't individuals that will be humans.

Think about this: If you were to go back in time to when someones mom was pregnant with them, and it was before her third trimester, and you convinced her to have an abortion, would it be murder?
No, because before that time i did not exist.

what about rape victims?
Well, of course they should be shot too...

I wonder if he's noticed that he's only singled out the abortion preforming doctors and not pro-choicers?

I agree with most of this, but rather than changing culture to make abortion "shameful", we should change culture/society to reduce the reasons why women feel the need to have abortions. Contraception needs to be spread more widely also, for example I think it could be exempted from VAT (sales tax).

Or we could just stop having sex, like someone on Radio 4 was trying to say the other day. Crazy people really.

Anyone willing to get pregnant have thier child brainscanned during pregnancy? Then we could find out when the fetus becomes a child, by comparing brain activity with that on a post-natal child.

Rape victims are okay. It's also okay to conduct an abortion if the baby indangers the mothers life. Those are the only real reasons I could ever think of to conduct an abortion.

thats why they would invade Switzerland because theres no fucking army.
i always thought Switzerland had a pretty good army...they just never used it

If you commit murder you're not innocent.

The point is, how can you prove whether they are innocent? There are numerous cases when a person has been wrongly executed for murder.

The abortion conducting doctors are the ones I'm commiting of murder.

Rape victims are okay. It's also okay to conduct an abortion if the baby indangers the mothers life. Those are the only real reasons I could ever think of to conduct an abortion.
What if when the baby is born it will live for a year or two in hellish, unthinking agony that would make getting skinned alive with a potato peeler feel like really great sex? Would you support an abortion then?

If anyone wants to know my opinion. Abortionists are murderers and should be shot alongside all the other murderers.

Well then, no one wants your opinion. Thats a horrible thing to say.

What if when the baby is born it will live for a year or two in hellish, unthinking agony that would make getting skinned alive with a potato peeler feel like really great sex? Would you support an abortion then?
Yes.

What if when the baby is born it will live for a year or two in hellish, unthinking agony that would make getting skinned alive with a potato peeler feel like really great sex?
like a harlequin baby

*shudders*

:(

Well then, no one wants your opinion. Thats a horrible thing to say.
Nobody, or just you?

thats why they would invade Switzerland because theres no fucking army.

They not only have an army, they have roughly a third of a million trained soldiers who can be called into service at any time.

Yes.

Dare I say it. Who is the Nazi?

Heatharia is right, abortion doctors are murderers.

i always thought Switzerland had a pretty good army...they just never used it

Hey, if its good enough for the Pope...

Nobody, or just you?

Hmm, good point. Maybe just me. Do you think I should be shot for that?

Life or not an unborn child is a paracite to it's mother.

Thus I believe that the mother and the mother alone has the right to terminate the pregnancy at anytime up until birth.

If you are unhappy with this rather pragmatic view then don't have an abortion but dont delude your self by thinking you have the right to dictate your morality to others.

The abortion conducting doctors are the ones I'm commiting of murder.
And as has been pointed out, your killing of them is murder, so do we get to kill you?

Dare I say it. Who is the Nazi?
Not me. Anyone accotiated with Nazis or skinheads should be hanged.

i always thought Switzerland had a pretty good army...they just never used it
they don't have one

If anyone wants to know my opinion. Abortionists are murderers and should be shot alongside all the other murderers.
Sonuva! You broke my hypocrasy detecter, you moron!

*runs screaming in horror from the thread* :eek:

Hmm, good point. Maybe just me. Do you think I should be shot for that?
No ill bakc you up.

Not me. Anyone accotiated with Nazis or skinheads should be hanged.

Even SHARP skins?

Not me. Anyone accotiated with Nazis or skinheads should be hanged.
no one should be hanged for a political view

And as has been pointed out, your killing of them is murder, so do we get to kill you?
Woops... *lmao* I meant to put accusing.

Rape victims are okay. It's also okay to conduct an abortion if the baby indangers the mothers life. Those are the only real reasons I could ever think of to conduct an abortion.

Well then I have to ask why is it okay to kill an innocent fetus that was created as the result of a rape, but not other innocent fetuses?

Personally, I think a women should have the right to choose. But what I think is wrong about it is if the women just uses it as birth control.

When Hitler and the Nazi party came into power in Germany, they slowly decieved the German population into thinking the Jews were not human, that it was ok to persecute them. The population (most at least) was brainwashed into believing him, and soon enough there were brainwashed SS regiments rounding up Jews and exterminating them in concentration camps.

Nowadays we have a similar problem. Abortionists have managed to convince people that fetuses are not human and it is ok to kill them. Led by the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, SS-inspired abortion clinics are everywhere and murdering innocent babies. Many people have been tricked into believing they are not human so it is ok to kill them.

See any similarities? I do. Imagine if when Hitler had tried to get in power, the German people had stopped him. No holocaust. While we are right now in the middle of a genocide, and we have the power to stop it, and we should. Think about it.

This type of post is not helpful to your case. I got exceedingly angry when the far left used the same comparison to attack President Bush during the recent election. Your using the same specious argument irritates me just as much. Please desist!

they don't have one


Here you go: come away from the thread having learnt something:

http://www.armee.vbs.admin.ch/internet/armee/de/home.html

they don't have one
...not according to the CIA...



Military manpower - military age and obligation:
19 years of age for compulsory military service; 17 years of age for voluntary military service; conscripts receive 15 weeks of compulsory training, followed by 10 intermittent recalls for training over the next 22 years (2004)

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 1,890,091 (2004 est.)

Well then I have to ask why is it okay to kill an innocent fetus that was created as the result of a rape, but not other innocent fetuses?
would a fetus created from a rape be considered innocent, i mean the conception was not innocent and mutal so therefore it cannot be considederd innoncent.

Here you go: come away from the thread having learnt something:

http://www.armee.vbs.admin.ch/internet/armee/de/home.html
thanks for enlightening me

Not me. Anyone accotiated with Nazis or skinheads should be hanged.

What have skinheads got to do with it? Are you blaming them for murder too?

Life or not an unborn child is a paracite to it's mother.

Thus I believe that the mother and the mother alone has the right to terminate the pregnancy at anytime up until birth.

If you are unhappy with this rather pragmatic view then don't have an abortion but dont delude your self by thinking you have the right to dictate your morality to others.

Trouble is, pregnancy can be quite a strain on a woman's mind and body - due to their situation, and sometime's you have to decide whether the mother is being rational or not.

would a fetus created from a rape be considered innocent, i mean the conception was not innocent and mutal so therefore it cannot be considederd innoncent.
Are you blaming someone for the sins of their parents? Are you? Huh? Huh? Are you?


Okay. I'm done imitating a wackjob. My point still stands.

would a fetus created from a rape be considered innocent, i mean the conception was not innocent and mutal so therefore it cannot be considederd innoncent.


that sounds a lot like passing the guilt of the parents down to the child.

does this mean that i can get arrested for what my father did?

not to mention the fact that the mother getting raped still leaves the fetus innocent.

GJ, hypocrite.

if you don't want babies to be killed, that should cover them all, not just the ones that you want.

they don't have one
Would you like to see the pictures I have when I visited the vatican? I made sure to get a couple shots of the swiss guards defending the place. They have an army.

It's a woman's body, and therefore her choice (though if she's married or something then her significant other should have some input as well). It seems hypocritical to me that men would presume to decide what happens with what's in a woman's body.

Also, think of it this way: in Germany at the time young Adolph Hitler was born, abortion was illegal. Imagine if his mother had been able to have an abortion. Taking a coathanger (metaphorically, of course) to that evil nazi fetus would have saved the lives of millions.

Did you know that pro-lifers have actually killed doctors who perform abortions? Yes, that's right. It's not okay to abort an unborn fetus, yet it's okay to murder a doctor "because he's killing babies".

Do you eat eggs? Then you're murdering baby chickens. In fact, if you eat meat or fish then you're murdering living things. What makes a human life worth more than an animal life? For that matter, what makes a human life worth more than the life of a plant?

We survive as a species because we murdered our way to the top. Hungry? Murder an animal or plant (or a human if you're into that kind of thing), and turn the skin into clothes while you're at it. Need shelter? Murder some trees and make yourself one. Cold? Murder some more trees and burn their corpses for warmth. Murder death kill slay destroy mwa hwa hwa hwa hwa hwa!!!

The nature of all things is to murder. We murder things, animals murder things, even plants murder each other and anything that tries to eat them. The next time you see a nice tree, look around it. If there's no other trees around it that's because it murdered them by blocking out the sun and taking it all for itself. If there are trees next to it, chances are that they're stunted and smaller - because they're deprived of sunlight and are slowly being murdered.

Look at the defenses plants have evolved over the years. Some plants are toxic to eat - they murder their murderers. Others have thorns and such to defend themselves. Still others excrete poisonous fumes or liquids to murder not only predators, but other plants nearby.

Look at insects. Cannibalism is rampant in the insect and arachnid kingdom. most spiders, scarabs and scorpions eat each other. And praying mantises copulate by the female beheading the male during sex.

The animal kingdom is almost as bad as us. Herbivores ruthlessly murder plants for food. Carnivores ruthlessly murder herbivores and other carnivores for food. And we humans ruthlessly murder herbivores, carnivores and each other - and not always for food.

I assume you're Christian, or at least religious. Well, religion has been the direct cause of 90% of the worst atrocities in the history of... history, especially by Christians. Look at the Crusades. Look at the invasion and enslavement of Africa and India. Look at the bitter fight that is happening in Ireland even now, over religion. Look at the war being fought in the Middle East right now by the US. Okay, so that one's over oil. Better example: the fight between Israel and Palestine. Why? RELIGION.

You wanna talk about resemblances to the nazi party? Let's look at George W. Bush, who also is against abortion. Both Hitler and Bush served in their nation's military, and by all accounts were terrible soldiers. Both men had to resort to trickery, or murder, to get into power the first time (Bush cheated, Hitler had his "Night of Long Knives"). Both men commanded the vote of the rich, white, religious sectors of their respective nations (though Hitler not at first). Both men had a scapegoat (both scapegoats originated from the same area, interestingly enough - the Middle East). Both men made radical changes to their nation's constitutions oppressing said scapegoats, anyone who supported them, and anyone who opposed their party. And both men started wars that completely ruined entire nations. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq now, and tell me you can't see similarities to, say, 1945 Russia. Or France. Or Poland. And both men promised their people that they would bring their nations to everlasting glory and victory.

You wanna talk genocide? How about the ones going on in Africa and South America, where children are being used as soldiers? Why don't you try to do something about that? How about the poor Mexican farmers who are caught between the fascist government (that the US installed, I might add) and the zapatistas who are fighting for democracy? Thousands of children die every day, from hunger and thirst - which is preventable, if people in North America would just use a little less. Why not do something about that? What about in China, where unwanted children are left to die in abandoned buildings? Why don't you do something about that?

Think about things before you say them. Because you don't know what you're talking about.

Would you like to see the pictures I have when I visited the vatican? I made sure to get a couple shots of the swiss guards defending the place. They have an army.
It's a trick i tell you, probably one orchastrated by the evil abortionists, or possibly MTV, or BOTH !

would a fetus created from a rape be considered innocent, i mean the conception was not innocent and mutal so therefore it cannot be considederd innoncent.

Why wouldn't it be innocent? What did it do? It's hardly responsible for being concieved.

Do you eat eggs? Then you're murdering baby chickens.

Only if they have been fertilised.


Think about things before you say them. Because you don't know what you're talking about.

Indeed.

they don't have one
then where do the KNIVES come from???

Are fetuses human though? What makes us human? Clear up those pionts first please.

Um, yes, human fetuses are human. What, did you think they were a different species or something?

Um, yes, human fetuses are human. What, did you think they were a different species or something?
He means human as in the sapient kind.

Wow, Commando2, now that I think about it those Abortionists even dress just like Nazis!!

In fact, I think getting to wear those cool uniforms is the whole reason they kill babies!! :rolleyes:

I refuse to take this argument seriously -- just as you appear to fail to take seriously a woman's autonomy. Pro-lifers always like to talk about the "child" and ignore the existence of the mother -- the only one of the two that is undeniably a human, living entity entitled to human rights.

Not getting involved in the thread, but clearing something up.

Switzerland does have an army. The army -- I have no idea how large it is, but as I'm about to point out, it doesn't matter -- knows the terrain. The terrain in the majority of Switzerland would be /horrible/ to invade through, due to an abundance of mountains. Any invading army, apart from losing about half its funding due to the Swiss banks shutting them off, would be decimated.

Also, Switzerland has an incredible defence system for its populace. If I recall the statistics correctly, it can get 80% of its people into secure underground bunkers within 72 hours. The figures may be slightly off, but I believe that's correct.

I've forgotten why anyone was invading Switzerland in the first place. Can't we just invade Antarctica and be done with it?

BTW, Nazi's and Fascists were STRICTLY anti-abortion and anti-contraception (except for the jews, they castrated them, the pope was pissed)

mostly on the grounds of creating more nazi youth, but yeah

(your point):( ____________________________ :sniper: SNIPERED!

The debate is now over if they have personhood. I believe that they do, but remember: even if abortion is outlawed it won't necessarily stop it - rather, we need to focus on changing our culture so that it is *much* less culturably permissible to have an abortion

I thougth abortions already weren't all that culturally acceptable and that you were a libertarian.

Look at the war being fought in the Middle East right now by the US. Okay, so that one's over oil. Better example: the fight between Israel and Palestine. Why? RELIGION.


Actually, the current troubles in Ireland are more a struggle over land and the right to rule, it just happens to be divided along the Catholic/Protestant line (though, the original invasion, waaaay back in the middle ages was because Ireland was a Catholic country, and therefore automatically allied to Catholic Spain against Protestant England, but that was politics...).

And the Israel/Palestine thing is down to a right to self rule as well, Palestinians aren't all Muslims, there are Christian (and even Jewish) Palestinians. Just that it's easier to label all the Palestinians as faceless bomb wielding towelheads than see them as a diverse ethinic group. Just happens that Israel's a jewish nation and Palestine has a fair few Muslims.

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first of all: comparing abortionists to Nazis is a load of bs. i mean, its not like they go out of their way to make sure all babies are killed. i agree that contraceptives should be more available, as well as education, but there are some countries that are still a little to conservative on that issue, not to mention some religions frown upon it. also, there are children left abandoned to die every day around the world. i know there are orphenages and adoption programs, but they dont exist in all countries. i belive it should be down to the individual's or couple's (married or not) choice to terminate the pregnancy. there is nothing worse than having someone shove their point of view down someone else's throat. hang on, looking at it that way, maybe the other way is true. with the anti-abortionists shoving their ethos down others throats, it can be comparable to the Nazis shoving their ethos down others throats.

in the end, i subscribe to this theory: opinions are like arseholes, in that everyone has one

Lets look at the evidence-

- Both Nazis and abortionists target a specific group of people
- Both brainwash people into believing their victims are not human
- Both have victims killed in death camps
- Both have brainwashed followers
- Both are "pro-choice"
- Both have killed millions

Abortionists and Nazis are very similar.

if we have the death penalty how can we disaprove abortion? if you are trying to kill someone by abortion and later in life they get the death penelty they died anyway. if you ban abortion you have to ban the death penalty. so abortionists are not related to nazis in my sence

Lets look at the evidence-

- Both Nazis and abortionists target a specific group of people
- Both brainwash people into believing their victims are not human
- Both have victims killed in death camps
- Both have brainwashed followers
- Both are "pro-choice"
- Both have killed millions

Abortionists and Nazis are very similar.
Ever heard of Godwin's Law? You just lost the debate.

(And abortionist death camps? What the fuck are you smoking?!

Lets look at the evidence-

- Both Nazis and abortionists target a specific group of people
- Both brainwash people into believing their victims are not human
- Both have victims killed in death camps
- Both have brainwashed followers
- Both are "pro-choice"
- Both have killed millions

Abortionists and Nazis are very similar.


- They target a specific group of people? So do advertising agencies... And besides, as someone has pointed out, "targetting" foetuses is hardly targetting people based on ethnic background, religion or anything else that may constitute genocide...
- People have diferent beliefs about when a foetus gains sentience/ the right to be called human. Deal with it.
- Death camps? ROFL. Get a grip darlin. No pro-choicer would FORCE a woman to have an abortion.
- Um yeah, providing information and letting people make up their own minds is really brainwashing huh?
- Since when are Nazi's pro-choice? I don't know what the hell you're going on about here...
- Depends how you define when human life begins. And besides, anti-abortionists kill too, they kill women who are so desperate they resort to drastic means to induce a miscarriage. They ruin women's and children's lives.

No, they are NOT similar at ALL.

It's a woman's body, and therefore her choice (though if she's married or something then her significant other should have some input as well). It seems hypocritical to me that men would presume to decide what happens with what's in a woman's body.

Also, think of it this way: in Germany at the time young Adolph Hitler was born, abortion was illegal. Imagine if his mother had been able to have an abortion. Taking a coathanger (metaphorically, of course) to that evil nazi fetus would have saved the lives of millions.

Did you know that pro-lifers have actually killed doctors who perform abortions? Yes, that's right. It's not okay to abort an unborn fetus, yet it's okay to murder a doctor "because he's killing babies".

Do you eat eggs? Then you're murdering baby chickens. In fact, if you eat meat or fish then you're murdering living things. What makes a human life worth more than an animal life? For that matter, what makes a human life worth more than the life of a plant?

We survive as a species because we murdered our way to the top. Hungry? Murder an animal or plant (or a human if you're into that kind of thing), and turn the skin into clothes while you're at it. Need shelter? Murder some trees and make yourself one. Cold? Murder some more trees and burn their corpses for warmth. Murder death kill slay destroy mwa hwa hwa hwa hwa hwa!!!

The nature of all things is to murder. We murder things, animals murder things, even plants murder each other and anything that tries to eat them. The next time you see a nice tree, look around it. If there's no other trees around it that's because it murdered them by blocking out the sun and taking it all for itself. If there are trees next to it, chances are that they're stunted and smaller - because they're deprived of sunlight and are slowly being murdered.

Look at the defenses plants have evolved over the years. Some plants are toxic to eat - they murder their murderers. Others have thorns and such to defend themselves. Still others excrete poisonous fumes or liquids to murder not only predators, but other plants nearby.

Look at insects. Cannibalism is rampant in the insect and arachnid kingdom. most spiders, scarabs and scorpions eat each other. And praying mantises copulate by the female beheading the male during sex.

The animal kingdom is almost as bad as us. Herbivores ruthlessly murder plants for food. Carnivores ruthlessly murder herbivores and other carnivores for food. And we humans ruthlessly murder herbivores, carnivores and each other - and not always for food.

I assume you're Christian, or at least religious. Well, religion has been the direct cause of 90% of the worst atrocities in the history of... history, especially by Christians. Look at the Crusades. Look at the invasion and enslavement of Africa and India. Look at the bitter fight that is happening in Ireland even now, over religion. Look at the war being fought in the Middle East right now by the US. Okay, so that one's over oil. Better example: the fight between Israel and Palestine. Why? RELIGION.

You wanna talk about resemblances to the nazi party? Let's look at George W. Bush, who also is against abortion. Both Hitler and Bush served in their nation's military, and by all accounts were terrible soldiers. Both men had to resort to trickery, or murder, to get into power the first time (Bush cheated, Hitler had his "Night of Long Knives"). Both men commanded the vote of the rich, white, religious sectors of their respective nations (though Hitler not at first). Both men had a scapegoat (both scapegoats originated from the same area, interestingly enough - the Middle East). Both men made radical changes to their nation's constitutions oppressing said scapegoats, anyone who supported them, and anyone who opposed their party. And both men started wars that completely ruined entire nations. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq now, and tell me you can't see similarities to, say, 1945 Russia. Or France. Or Poland. And both men promised their people that they would bring their nations to everlasting glory and victory.

You wanna talk genocide? How about the ones going on in Africa and South America, where children are being used as soldiers? Why don't you try to do something about that? How about the poor Mexican farmers who are caught between the fascist government (that the US installed, I might add) and the zapatistas who are fighting for democracy? Thousands of children die every day, from hunger and thirst - which is preventable, if people in North America would just use a little less. Why not do something about that? What about in China, where unwanted children are left to die in abandoned buildings? Why don't you do something about that?

Think about things before you say them. Because you don't know what you're talking about.

I wasn't planning to even get into this thread, but I just had to complement you on this post. Very well thought out and concise.

(Hands over Nuclear Cookie)

bolol you are a geneous couldnt have found a better quote myself

Seriously, if you knew jack shit about the constitution you'd realize that the 14th amendment states that "a person born or naturalized" has rights entitled to them by the government. These "people" are neither born or naturalized, which is exactly why Roe vs. Wade stands today.This collection of cells you call a human isn't yet human, merely genetic material consisting of nucleic acids and cells.
For those again the "morning after pill", you are uneducated, the morning after pill stops the egg from even entering its resting place for growth and birth. The cells havn't technically come together in a manner in which they can grow. In comparing this to nazism you fail miserably, infact, you've pointed yourself out to look uneducated and biased. An abortion is never easy for a woman, saying that the general population thinks it okay to kill these clusters of cells contained within a woman makes you look as if you lack basic common emotional sense, or have not yet reached the level of both maturity and exposure to know that no woman would take it lightly.

Lets look at the evidence-

- Both Nazis and abortionists target a specific group of people - i dont see abortionists targeting people, more the pro-lifers targeting the people wanting an abortion
- Both brainwash people into believing their victims are not human - kinda hard when a feotus hasnt got a brain to brainwash
- Both have victims killed in death camps - um, hello? an abortion clinic is a death camp?
- Both have brainwashed followers - man, there are so many organisations that have brainwashed followers, and again pro-lifers can be put into that catagory
- Both are "pro-choice" - um, Nazis were pro-life, cept in the case of jews, blacks, romanies, etc
- Both have killed millions - and so have muslims, christians, and a lot of other groups, so that is like the pot calling the kettle black

Abortionists and Nazis are not at all similar.

what are u talking about !! of corce there not human mein Führer says so!! kill them all!! idiots...

Just because it's been posted so many times...

Pro-Life: No abortion; abortion is bad; never abortion.
Pro-Abortion: Supports abortion; abortion can be used whenever.
Pro-Choice: Doesn't care; won't shoot you for aborting, not aborting; finds that people should do what they want.

Only the foolish group the Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion together.

When Hitler and the Nazi party came into power in Germany, they slowly decieved the German population into thinking the Jews were not human, that it was ok to persecute them. The population (most at least) was brainwashed into believing him, and soon enough there were brainwashed SS regiments rounding up Jews and exterminating them in concentration camps.

Nowadays we have a similar problem. Abortionists have managed to convince people that fetuses are not human and it is ok to kill them. Led by the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, SS-inspired abortion clinics are everywhere and murdering innocent babies. Many people have been tricked into believing they are not human so it is ok to kill them.

See any similarities? I do. Imagine if when Hitler had tried to get in power, the German people had stopped him. No holocaust. While we are right now in the middle of a genocide, and we have the power to stop it, and we should. Think about it.

Um, didn't the Nazi's ban abortion?

Typical right wing propoganda tool. Accuse the opposition of being what you are so that when it becomes appearant that that's what you are everyone's already tired of that accusation.

I'll be disappointed if I'm the first to point this out by the time I get to the end of the thread.

there is a pro-abortion group? i thought it was the pro-choice group complaining about the restriction placed as to whether or not abort by the pro-life group

Lets look at the evidence-

- Both Nazis and abortionists target a specific group of people
- Both brainwash people into believing their victims are not human
- Both have victims killed in death camps
- Both have brainwashed followers
- Both are "pro-choice"
- Both have killed millions

Abortionists and Nazis are very similar.
Wowm, this is too easy

Evidence of similarities between Nazis and Clowns

-Both Clowns and Nazis dress up in funny clothes
-Both attract large crowds of people
-Both have been hated and loved by millions of people
-Both like to convicne unsespecting children they are a good thing

Come on, try harder

there is a pro-abortion group? i thought it was the pro-choice group complaining about the restriction placed as to whether or not abort by the pro-life group

You might be right; I was expressing what I've collected.

:rolleyes:

Lets look at the evidence-

- Both Nazis and abortionists target a specific group of people


The Nazis targeted a group of people and undesirables. Not everybody want's an abortion. Planned Parenthood doesn't advocate abortion as it's only solution.


- Both brainwash people into believing their victims are not human

That's funny I don't see people getting rounded up for being pro-life. I don't see people having to watch "educational" films.


- Both have victims killed in death camps


People that take the abortion route freely walk into an office. They aren't forced into and they can leave up to the point before the procedure starts.


- Both have brainwashed followers
- Both are "pro-choice"
- Both have killed millions

Abortionists and Nazis are very similar.

Sigh not even worth commenting on the rest.

Again. You know nothing on both topics.

LOL Greatest. Thread. Ever!

I get your point, but i think medical science calls them human...when they start having actual brain functions correct? Well i consider them human when they're still sperm though... We're like frogs, we go from Tadpole to Adult.

Cept the males don't lose the tail. ;)

Basically until Medical Science changes the defenition of being human, or more proof is shown, that they have brain functions the whole time, in theory and only in theory are the abortionists right.

Lets look at the evidence-

- Both Nazis and abortionists target a specific group of people
No, Nazi's targeted racial groups. Pro choice peopel do not target anyone. People who don't want to carry their fetus to term make the choice themselves. No one makes the determination on which fetuses are to be aborted and which may not be.
- Both brainwash people into believing their victims are not human
There's no brainwashing. Abortion was perfectly legal for hundreds of years up until the 1850's. It wasn't a major issue for the evangelicals until it started to become declasse to be a flaming racist because churches needed a new wedge issue. Just like nazi's scapegoated the Jews, labor unions, communists, Catholics, homosexuals, etc... the American evangelicals used blacks as a scapegoat for years, and when they couldn't they began to use liberals and pro-choice people. There's your brainwashing.
- Both have victims killed in death camps
Um, is there some sort of freaky HR. Geigeresque concentration camp in which fetuses are being made to do hard labor without enough foor or water somewhere? If there is I want to see it. It sounds horrific, but it would be pretty trippy to see it.

- Both have brainwashed followers
You used this one already.
- Both are "pro-choice"
No, Nazi's were not pro-choice. They were vehemently anti-choice, both on abortions and on daily life.
- Both have killed millions
Find me a group of people who hasn't, except hippies.

Abortionists and Nazis are very similar.
You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence to back this statement up, please find one and some evidence that the accusation is not more properly applied to the anti-choice people.

there is a pro-abortion group? i thought it was the pro-choice group complaining about the restriction placed as to whether or not abort by the pro-life group

Ya, the only pro-abortion people are a handful of Chinese government ministers who are trying to undo the damage of Mao's efforts to encourage prolific breeding.

If we're too anti-choice and "abstinence only education" we'll be in a similar position in a few years.

Planned Parenthood and the Nazi Party are the same thing. Planned Parenthood hands out contraceptives and does hundreds of murders (abortions) a day. The Nazis murdered hundreds each day. Nazi target=Jews. Abortionist target=babies. Planned Parenthood puts whores above babies. And guess what? PPs founder, a woman named Margret Sanger, was a NAZI supporter. She was a racist, a bigot, a white supremist, a feminazi, a eugenics supporter, pro-contraception, an atheist, and pro-murder(abortion.) She was pure evil, and PP continues her evil ideals today.

When Hitler and the Nazi party came into power in Germany, they slowly decieved the German population into thinking the Jews were not human, that it was ok to persecute them. The population (most at least) was brainwashed into believing him, and soon enough there were brainwashed SS regiments rounding up Jews and exterminating them in concentration camps.

Nowadays we have a similar problem. Abortionists have managed to convince people that fetuses are not human and it is ok to kill them. Led by the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, SS-inspired abortion clinics are everywhere and murdering innocent babies. Many people have been tricked into believing they are not human so it is ok to kill them.

See any similarities? I do. Imagine if when Hitler had tried to get in power, the German people had stopped him. No holocaust. While we are right now in the middle of a genocide, and we have the power to stop it, and we should. Think about it.
happily, my own support of abortion rights exist totally independent of the issue of human personhood. even if it were proven that fetuses are human persons (which current evidence does not in any way support), i would still support a woman's right to end her pregnancy at any time and for any reason.

Planned Parenthood and the Nazi Party are the same thing. Planned Parenthood hands out contraceptives and does hundreds of murders (abortions) a day. The Nazis murdered hundreds each day. Nazi target=Jews. Abortionist target=babies. Planned Parenthood puts whores above babies. And guess what? PPs founder, a woman named Margret Sanger, was a NAZI supporter. She was a racist, a bigot, a white supremist, a feminazi, a eugenics supporter, pro-contraception, an atheist, and pro-murder(abortion.) She was pure evil, and PP continues her evil ideals today.
Those damn evil clowns going around trying to make people laugh and believe they are good when the yare really bad deep down, jsut like Nazis!

happily, my own support of abortion rights exist totally independent of the issue of human personhood. even if it were proven that fetuses are human persons (which current evidence does not in any way support), i would still support a woman's right to end her pregnancy at any time and for any reason.

Murderous scumbag.

Murderous scumbag.

Commando you're part of the church right?

Planned Parenthood and the Nazi Party are the same thing. Planned Parenthood hands out contraceptives and does hundreds of murders (abortions) a day. The Nazis murdered hundreds each day. Nazi target=Jews. Abortionist target=babies.

No they don't. Babies are never touched. Fetuses though...

Planned Parenthood puts whores above babies. And guess what? PPs founder, a woman named Margret Sanger, was a NAZI supporter. She was a racist, a bigot, a white supremist, a feminazi, a eugenics supporter, pro-contraception, an atheist, and pro-murder(abortion.) She was pure evil, and PP continues her evil ideals today.
Isn't being a nazi and a feminists at the same impossible?

Anyway, it isn't as if PP introduced the idea of abortion or are the only abortionists in the world.

Planned Parenthood and the Nazi Party are the same thing. Planned Parenthood hands out contraceptives and does hundreds of murders (abortions) a day. The Nazis murdered hundreds each day. Nazi target=Jews. Abortionist target=babies. Planned Parenthood puts whores above babies. And guess what? PPs founder, a woman named Margret Sanger, was a NAZI supporter. She was a racist, a bigot, a white supremist, a feminazi, a eugenics supporter, pro-contraception, an atheist, and pro-murder(abortion.) She was pure evil, and PP continues her evil ideals today.
Whores? Well when a woman is raped and gets an abortion I'll tell that murdering whore she's evil. That doesn't mean PP is evil. So being an atheist is bad huh? And what th hell is wrong with contraceptives, if not for them the world would be gastly over-populated, if it isn't already.

Murderous scumbag.

Flame. Flame. Flame.

Planned Parenthood and the Nazi Party are the same thing. Planned Parenthood hands out contraceptives and does hundreds of murders (abortions) a day. The Nazis murdered hundreds each day. Nazi target=Jews. Abortionist target=babies. Planned Parenthood puts whores above babies. And guess what? PPs founder, a woman named Margret Sanger, was a NAZI supporter. She was a racist, a bigot, a white supremist, a feminazi, a eugenics supporter, pro-contraception, an atheist, and pro-murder(abortion.) She was pure evil, and PP continues her evil ideals today.
Planned Parenthood gives advice to people in planing a family and give both sides of the argument. people have the choice of how they use that advice. IMHO, your argument is very much flawed and floundering. there are so many holes in it, it isnt funny, and i suggest stopping now, before you are even more ridiculed

Margret Sanger, was a NAZI supporter.

You say that as if it was a bad thing.

Planned Parenthood gives advice to people in planing a family and give both sides of the argument. people have the choice of how they use that advice. IMHO, your argument is very much flawed and floundering. there are so many holes in it, it isnt funny, and i suggest stopping now, before you are even more ridiculed

It's okay, he loves the attention.

...I think...

It's okay, he loves the attention.

...I think...
yeah, probably

Then what do you do with the Tracy Latimer's of the world, who if not for extreme and prolonged scientific intervention would not have lived at all?

Her father Robert Latimer killed her then went to jail for at least 10 years.
So what to do?

ps disability groups, before they cut my head off, can hopefully relize this was an extreme case, and then they can take care of people who are in her situation. With the help of my tax dollars.

Murderous scumbag.
Commando2, you are officially warned for flaming.


Find a way to express your dispeasure without personal attacks, or stay the hell out of threads like this. That sort of comment is totally uncalled for.

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Turns out this is your third warning, Commando2. Let's make that a two week forumban instead.

I am SO SICK of hearing the word FEMINAZI. UGH! :mad:
It's obviously not worth aguing with Commando2 anyway, so why bother?

Given that this entire thread is glorified flamebait, iLock.

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