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first off, i am a true free speech supporter, even when what is being said is hateful,inflammatory or just plain unpopular.
i would also like to say,i understand the difference between wite supremacy, white power, white nationalism, aryan prison gangs, and the other multitude of groups. if you feel the need to explain yourself , feel free though
i would like to know, why are some (and i said SOME) groups running scared, and on empty? why do you/they feel the need to state your beliefs and pride on a platform of fear? what exactly do you plan do to further your agenda? why are the lower rung white power groups content with just attacking a minority (seven against one) and calling that type of cowardly violence progress? why hasnt your movement gained steam? and, for the groups that are reverent to adolf hitler.... why didnt he/they / you solve the "jewish problem"? why couldnt you?
NO FLAMING,TROLLING, BAITING OR ATTACKING. THAT GOES FOR BOTH SIDES. (IF YOU JUST WANT TO INSULT PEOPLE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE)

first off, i am a true free speech supporter, even when what is being said is hateful,inflammatory or just plain unpopular.
i would also like to say,i understand the difference between wite supremacy, white power, white nationalism, aryan prison gangs, and the other multitude of groups. if you feel the need to explain yourself , feel free though
i would like to know, why are some (and i said SOME) groups running scared, and on empty? why do you/they feel the need to state your beliefs and pride on a platform of fear? what exactly do you plan do to further your agenda? why are the lower rung white power groups content with just attacking a minority (seven against one) and calling that type of cowardly violence progress? why hasnt your movement gained steam? and, for the groups that are reverent to adolf hitler.... why didnt he/they / you solve the "jewish problem"? why couldnt you?
NO FLAMING,TROLLING, BAITING OR ATTACKING. THAT GOES FOR BOTH SIDES. (IF YOU JUST WANT TO INSULT PEOPLE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE)
ooooooooooo. :eek: heres hoping this leads to enlightened debate.

NO FLAMING,TROLLING, BAITING OR ATTACKING. THAT GOES FOR BOTH SIDES. (IF YOU JUST WANT TO INSULT PEOPLE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE)
Yeah, good luck with that...
Twenty bucks says it'll be a flamewar by page 5.
:p

I'll give you an example.

There's plenty of beauty pageants. There is, for example, miss BLACK America, miss LATIN America, miss ASIAN America.

What happens if we tried to organize a miss WHITE America, the whole politically correct machinery comes down on you for doing that, saying 'racism', 'hate' etc... etc... yada yada...

But why does no one mind when other races do it? Now THAT is racism.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are? Which race invented 90%+ of all important stuff?

Also, fascism is denounced as some extreme right wing ideology (it's not extreme right at all, it has elements of socialism, liberalism and conservatism) that is to be hated and despised, yet the communists, who tried to eliminate all their class rivals in some countries, they do not have the same bad name, even though their bodycount is higher by a factor 5 or so.

Perhaps some white supremists feel backed by god or a divine force, and the other whites are(thought to be) misguided? I don't know.


I have always wondered myself why alot of white supremists couldn't grasp that it's not going to happen, and not be able to come to terms with the fact that it's all over.

But see, the thing is, alot of people, weather they be rich communists, Neo Nazis, supposed klanies, among a multitude of other groups, will join or affiliate themselves with these groups simply for the purpose of having an image, belonging to a group and having an identity.

Yeah, good luck with that...
Twenty bucks says it'll be a flamewar by page 5.
:p
but that gives me five pages. i actually dont think any of them are brave enough to answer. my experience on this is that the Wps only give their views when not invited, so they upset people. when you ask them, they become tongue tied.

I'll give you an example.

There's plenty of beauty pageants. There is, for example, miss BLACK America, miss LATIN America, miss ASIAN America.

What happens if we tried to organize a miss WHITE America, the whole politically correct machinery comes down on you for doing that, saying 'racism', 'hate' etc... etc... yada yada...

But why does no one mind when other races do it? Now THAT is racism.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are? Which race invented 90%+ of all important stuff?


..........The Chinese, man, the Chinese.

You lose.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are? Which race invented 90%+ of all important stuff?

The human race! :D

Heh heh, good luck with the debate...though I'm afraid I could toss some money in the pool on Neo-anarchists bet...

you must think of how few these peapole are. Banning their violent activities is enogth to keep them down.
There are greater problems than nazis.
I presume you live in America? Then you should be bothering you even less.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are? Which race invented 90%+ of all important stuff?Um, the Chinese?

I'll give you an example.

There's plenty of beauty pageants. There is, for example, miss BLACK America, miss LATIN America, miss ASIAN America.

What happens if we tried to organize a miss WHITE America, the whole politically correct machinery comes down on you for doing that, saying 'racism', 'hate' etc... etc... yada yada...

But why does no one mind when other races do it? Now THAT is racism.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are? Which race invented 90%+ of all important stuff?


And that's the thing.

I hate it when people do that. A friend of mine is always touting "Why should I not be proud of my race?"

Because race means fucking nothing? So what if a white man did such and such, a black man invented this, a desi man discovered that? What the hell does it matter? Did you do ANY of those things? No, you did not.

If were going to think like that, does that mean we should also be ashamed at every bad thing someone else of the same race has done?

That really is rather foolish.

..........The Chinese, man, the Chinese.

You lose.


Sumerians, who wern't white.

Want me to dig up a list of stuff invented by the Sumerians that we still use today, and would not be able to function with without?
The Wheel for instance?
Writing?
Irrigation and canals?

I'll give you an example.

There's plenty of beauty pageants. There is, for example, miss BLACK America, miss LATIN America, miss ASIAN America.

What happens if we tried to organize a miss WHITE America, the whole politically correct machinery comes down on you for doing that, saying 'racism', 'hate' etc... etc... yada yada...

But why does no one mind when other races do it? Now THAT is racism.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are? Which race invented 90%+ of all important stuff? you have a point. i dont believe in affrimative action or race classification either. but your groups are associated with hate and violence. maybe thats not fair, but it is the image you decided to show to the public. you didnt answer any of my ?s though, and if you think about them, maybe you will get an answer .......

Um, the Chinese?
Don't forget the Japanese and the Indians, oh and the Arabs. Political correctness can be a bitch, to state it quite bluntly. Race is race, you can be proud just don't put yours above others. Edit: The Africans and Native Americans as well.

you must think of how few these peapole are. Banning their violent activities is enogth to keep them down.
There are greater problems than nazis.
I presume you live in America? Then you should be bothering you even less.
it doesnt bother me at all.

Um, the Chinese?


Or if you like, the people of the central african empires.

Oh, what about the Romans?

Who invented this and that is just pridefull crap.

As I said before, did you invent it because you are a punjab or because you are a white just like the other guy?

No.

I do however, agree that it would be perceived as racist to have a White Miss America contest, which really does not make sense considering the other racialy exclusive contests.

I'll give you an example.

There's plenty of beauty pageants. There is, for example, miss BLACK America, miss LATIN America, miss ASIAN America.

What happens if we tried to organize a miss WHITE America, the whole politically correct machinery comes down on you for doing that, saying 'racism', 'hate' etc... etc... yada yada...

But why does no one mind when other races do it? Now THAT is racism.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are? Which race invented 90%+ of all important stuff?

Also, fascism is denounced as some extreme right wing ideology (it's not extreme right at all, it has elements of socialism, liberalism and conservatism) that is to be hated and despised, yet the communists, who tried to eliminate all their class rivals in some countries, they do not have the same bad name, even though their bodycount is higher by a factor 5 or so.

Your final paragraph raises a good question. I would imagine that liberals, not wanting to come down on their own (and believing -- or wanting to perpetuate the belief -- that fascism is a right-wing thing), have decided to ignore the brutishness of communism or communist states (see USSR under Stalin) or the leaders of said states while heaping scorn on fascism.

Communist Russia under Stalin killed millions more than Hitler did. (NOT making an excuse for or defending Hitler, who was tripe, but pointing out that Stalin was more murderous.)

you have a point. i dont believe in affrimative action or race classification either. but your groups are associated with hate and violence. maybe thats not fair, but it is the image you decided to show to the public. you didnt answer any of my ?s though, and if you think about them, maybe you will get an answer .......

ever heard of the black Nazis? didn't think so, mainstream media never tells you about those groups. But one white guy goes out and does something do disgrace our race, and they're all over it like flies over syrup. Hey I don't condone killing or threatening anyone, but I do realize there are some that do, they are a disgrace to our race as far as I'm concerned. We don't need no violence.

and by the way, the name of my nation here is just what it is, the name of my nation here, not some kind of wish to see a rebirth of Hitler and his band.

Your final paragraph raises a good question. I would imagine that liberals, not wanting to come down on their own (and believing -- or wanting to perpetuate the belief -- that fascism is a right-wing thing), have decided to ignore the brutishness of communism or communist states (see USSR under Stalin) or the leaders of said states while heaping scorn on fascism.

Communist Russia under Stalin killed millions more than Hitler did. (NOT making an excuse for or defending Hitler, who was tripe, but pointing out that Stalin was more murderous.)
Germany didn't have as many people on their hands to kill. Wasn't the population or Russia in the hundred millions during Stalin?

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about the neo nazi issue i think that the ruleing that max berry banned the swastica, hitler, groewing, gibbles, aba brown, himmeler, and all other proment figures of the nazi movement is a direct blorg to our free speech. we should have the right to put whatever the hell we want on out flags, nazis, naked people, blood and gore, copyrighted logos, anything that even the sickest minded freak can think up should be allowed to be put on no questions asked.

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I think we are all racists to one degree or another. If you take two people of different races they are obviously different in physical and cultural ways. People who say they are "colorblind" are just plain idiots that should be hit by satelite debris. The controversy, IMO, is when somebody says one race is greater than another.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are?

Im proud to be white. But I dont look down on other races or see them as inferior. And he does have another point. Say I wanted to start the NAAWASPM (Nat'l Assoc. for the Advancement of White Anglo-Saxon Protestants Males). Everybody would be calling me a bigot. Any other group of individuals would be ok, WHY????

As a result of color-related crimes, the UN has ordered that from now on all pople in the world are green. Only problem now is to seperate the light-green, and the dark-green

Germany didn't have as many people on their hands to kill. Wasn't the population or Russia in the hundred millions during Stalin?

Not sure what their populations were during their respective reigns... I would imagine that the USSR had several times as many inhabitants as did Germany. (Germany is now at, what, 80-90 million while if the USSR were still counted as one, they'd likely be over 300 million.. so maybe the ratio was more like three or four to one.)

Hitler went after a race of people (and probably some others who tried to get in his way or simply were inconvenient to him), while Stalin was perhaps a more equal-opportunity killer. I guess the gulags (sp?) were Stalin's version of the concentration camps.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are?
IMO, it's rather nonsensical for anybody of any color to be proud of it. I mean, they were just born that way. It's like saying "I'm proud I have blue eyes." It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Interesting fact taken from justfacts.com:

"There is more genetic variation among the people of any race than there is between one race and another. (1)"

1) Ham, Ken. "Inter-racial marriage: is it biblical?" Creation Ex Nihilo, June-August, 1999.

I think we are all racists to one degree or another
Yes, we indeed are - it's not so much a matter of controlling our racist outbursts, as much as acknowleding them (which many liberals I personally know like to deny having...)

Oh, and I invoke Godwin's Law

As I said, just being born (and consequently, having a race) is nothing to be proud of.

The Communists did indeed kill more than the facists, but we hate the Fascists because it was all about killing, whereas communism was righteous in intent (wether this is right or not is up for debate, but this is just an explanation)

Had the Fascists the chance, they would have killed the hundreds of millions of blacks, the 2 billion plus asians, all the latin people.

HA...
Racism will die out withinthis century. The world ahs become a much smaller place and interracial relationships grow in leaps and bound. Tolerance of other races is on teh rise as well. Inevitably there will be only one race on the planet . Its just a matter of time.

I say great !!!! genetic diversity only strengthens the species. So far as cultural difference go . Those will break down as well as cultures begin to blend and mix.

Religious differences on the other hand will be with us as long as their is religion.

Where will your (insert color) power be then? Sure there will be a few hold outs but once their daughters and sons decide too stop imbreding with the few remaining racial purists and take of the forbidden fruit all will be well.

i get so made at people who accuse white people of being racist. I am white and it drives me nuts, i live in canda but only 1/20 people are white at my school. Its conciderd racist to call it christmas holdays, christmas tree.... but then we have black history month and the dewali show. Every one else is just racist towards white people were nto the racist ones. When we say something they are the ones that point out race they say were white.
You always here about the nazis and kkk, what about Black Panthers, and who knows what else happens or happend in other countries, what did the japanese do to the chinese. Black people ensalved indians before white people enslaved black people.

I agree. To say you do not notice race is ridiculous.

For example, a white guy on the bus might smile at the black guy as if to say "I am on your side, buddy." despite not knowing who the person is.

Although this is not racism. Racism is the belief that one race is inherently better than all others (weather the others are perceived badly remains up to the individual)

But I very much doubt that anyone is colorblind but those who are in fact sightless.

ever heard of the black Nazis? didn't think so, mainstream media never tells you about those groups. But one white guy goes out and does something do disgrace our race, and they're all over it like flies over syrup. Hey I don't condone killing or threatening anyone, but I do realize there are some that do, they are a disgrace to our race as far as I'm concerned. We don't need no violence.

and by the way, the name of my nation here is just what it is, the name of my nation here, not some kind of wish to see a rebirth of Hitler and his band.
i live in california. black crime is very well reported here, thank you. i know of many black hate groups. but these questions are for the white ones , today, and you wont answer them all. *shakes head*

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Sorry but that post made no sense whatsoever :confused:

i get so made at people who accuse white people of being racist. I am white and it drives me nuts, i live in canda but only 1/20 people are white at my school. Its conciderd racist to call it christmas holdays, christmas tree.... but then we have black history month and the dewali show. Every one else is just racist towards white people were nto the racist ones. When we say something they are the ones that point out race they say were white.
You always here about the nazis and kkk, what about Black Panthers, and who knows what else happens or happend in other countries, what did the japanese do to the chinese. Black people ensalved indians before white people enslaved black people.


Slavery?

Well, ok, that is true.

But, slavery had never been done in the manner of the white Europeans and Americans, were the slave was considered livestock rather than a person who is a slave.

And besides, just because slavery existed before does not make it better.

Stabbing people in the stomach existed for thousands of years, does that make it better when gut you?

Of course not.

And by the way, the black panthers were to defend the black populace from corrupt law men and vigilante thugs. Fighting fire with fire.

I have a question for the whatever you want to call yourselves...well anyway.

Those of you who want the 'races' to be separate, how do you envision that? Would we be in our own enclaves, or would certain races only live in certain countries? Would there be trade conducted between these enclaves? What level of trade and contact would be allowed?

I'm interested, because I rarely get past the "you are inferior to me" part of the argument...so let's give it a go.

i get so made at people who accuse white people of being racist. I am white and it drives me nuts, i live in canda but only 1/20 people are white at my school. Its conciderd racist to call it christmas holdays, christmas tree.... but then we have black history month and the dewali show. Every one else is just racist towards white people were nto the racist ones. When we say something they are the ones that point out race they say were white.
You always here about the nazis and kkk, what about Black Panthers, and who knows what else happens or happend in other countries, what did the japanese do to the chinese. Black people ensalved indians before white people enslaved black people.
listen . get an education. white nationalists are an intelligent sounding group. and this thread is not for you to whine and bitch. answer the questions, and recognize your purpose

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Okay, now that that's out of the way :p

Racism is, like most social conventions in life, stupid.

I Am Going To Say That I Think That All Hatred Is Good Because When More People Kill Each Other Ther Will Be More Bones For My Collection
*reported to Moderation*

As I said, just being born (and consequently, having a race) is nothing to be proud of.

The Communists did indeed kill more than the facists, but we hate the Fascists because it was all about killing, whereas communism was righteous in intent (wether this is right or not is up for debate, but this is just an explanation)

Had the Fascists the chance, they would have killed the hundreds of millions of blacks, the 2 billion plus asians, all the latin people.

Communism was righteous in intent?

In what way... taking away economic freedom? I like economic freedom. I enjoy it when government keeps its filthy hands off my money. I don't enjoy being forced to support people who don't feel like working. I don't like the idea of government subsidizing the able unproductive while stealing from the productive or people who would bolster the economy with their money instead of wasting it.

Taking away religion? I like the freedom to worship as I please. Word has it that the USSR sort of clamped down on free speech too. People got shot for saying the wrong things to the wrong people.

Hmmm. If fascism's ugly face is Hitler, then Communism can wear the scars of Stalin.

Stalin would have killed anyone who disagreed with him. He was just as bad as Hitler, perhaps.

WHEN THE NATIONSTATES BUNNY RACED THE NATIONSTATES TURTLE IN WHO COULD GO FROM ALL THE REAGIONS IN NATIONSTATES FASTER IT WAS A LOT LIKE THE RACE OF THE TORTUSE AND THE HEIR. IT MADE A LOT OF SENCE AND IT WORKED.

about the neo nazi issue i think that the ruleing that max berry banned the swastica, hitler, groewing, gibbles, aba brown, himmeler, and all other proment figures of the nazi movement is a direct blorg to our free speech. we should have the right to put whatever the hell we want on out flags, nazis, naked people, blood and gore, copyrighted logos, anything that even the sickest minded freak can think up should be allowed to be put on no questions asked.

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Why should Max Barry give a fuck about the yankee constituition? Max Barry is an Australian.

And besides, Max Barry owns this website, and so he can do with it what he likes.

Would you like it if you owned a website and the visitors filled it with something you hated and you were powerless to stop it?

Okay... i dont think affirmative action programs like the ones mentioned above are good either. THe problem is that I AM NOT A WHITE RACIST EITHER. Society is so fucked up that that is how they see you though. ALso i wish that racism would die out but i think that policies like that (BLACK miss america ect) are KEEPING it alive. They are the things that remind us that we are different. I think that without the state telling us that minorities need help and those stupid comics (WHITE PEOPLE DO THIS BLACK PEOPLE DO THAT) and yes of course without the crazy Nazis racism WOULD die out.

*reported to Moderation*
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Okay... i dont think affirmative action programs like the ones mentioned above are good either. THe problem is that I AM NOT A WHITE RACIST EITHER. Society is so fucked up that that is how they see you though. ALso i wish that racism would die out but i think that policies like that (BLACK miss america ect) are KEEPING it alive. They are the things that remind us that we are different. I think that without the state telling us that minorities need help and those stupid comics (WHITE PEOPLE DO THIS BLACK PEOPLE DO THAT) and yes of course without the crazy Nazis racism WOULD die out.

Yeah. I want an end to racism. Pie-in-the-sky I know, but a worthy goal.

So it really makes me scratch my head when the US Government decides to LEGISLATE racism in an attempt to END racism.

Hmmmm.

Communism was righteous in intent?

In what way... taking away economic freedom? I like economic freedom. I enjoy it when government keeps its filthy hands off my money. I don't enjoy being forced to support people who don't feel like working. I don't like the idea of government subsidizing the able unproductive while stealing from the productive or people who would bolster the economy with their money instead of wasting it.

Taking away religion? I like the freedom to worship as I please. Word has it that the USSR sort of clamped down on free speech too. People got shot for saying the wrong things to the wrong people.

Hmmm. If fascism's ugly face is Hitler, then Communism can wear the scars of Stalin.

Stalin would have killed anyone who disagreed with him. He was just as bad as Hitler, perhaps.


Communism arose from a system were people were kept poor by class, my friend.

I too love my money, but what if all your work went to some landowner who lived miles away in a big mansion, while you and your family starved, and he could have people beat the shit out of you if you got out of line, and screw you wife to boot?

Communism, yes, it was noble in intent, you just don't understand it.

It can even be said that Soviet Russia was a bad example of communism.

Personally, I do not think communism can work for very long.

However, if you lived in the class system, I think you would be all for it.

As I said, just being born (and consequently, having a race) is nothing to be proud of.

The Communists did indeed kill more than the facists, but we hate the Fascists because it was all about killing, whereas communism was righteous in intent (wether this is right or not is up for debate, but this is just an explanation)

Had the Fascists the chance, they would have killed the hundreds of millions of blacks, the 2 billion plus asians, all the latin people.

Take a look at Spain. The Fascists were not "all about killing" there, in fact the Communist Republic did more in the name of repressive executions. In Barcelona during the Spainish Civil War, thousands of anarchists and socialists were executed by the communists. There was a civil war in the middle of the civil war. While Franco didn't exactly support freedom, the reason he was fighting was not racial purity or just to kill people. He was fighting against Communism. I'm a socialist. I'm anti-fascist. But you can't just gloss over the past like that.

Okay... i dont think affirmative action programs like the ones mentioned above are good either. THe problem is that I AM NOT A WHITE RACIST EITHER. Society is so fucked up that that is how they see you though. ALso i wish that racism would die out but i think that policies like that (BLACK miss america ect) are KEEPING it alive. They are the things that remind us that we are different. I think that without the state telling us that minorities need help and those stupid comics (WHITE PEOPLE DO THIS BLACK PEOPLE DO THAT) and yes of course without the crazy Nazis racism WOULD die out.
Racism will only cease to exist when the races separate.

tru dat

WAIT NO.. it looks like i am replyin to the wrong post with my Tru dat.. sorry

Okay... i dont think affirmative action programs like the ones mentioned above are good either. THe problem is that I AM NOT A WHITE RACIST EITHER. Society is so fucked up that that is how they see you though. ALso i wish that racism would die out but i think that policies like that (BLACK miss america ect) are KEEPING it alive. They are the things that remind us that we are different. I think that without the state telling us that minorities need help and those stupid comics (WHITE PEOPLE DO THIS BLACK PEOPLE DO THAT) and yes of course without the crazy Nazis racism WOULD die out.
a bit of a point here. all racism is wrong, and so is the constant classifying of race and color, then wearing it as a badge.

So it really makes me scratch my head when the US Government decides to LEGISLATE racism in an attempt to END racism.
As I say about "Affirmative Action" (blech!), "Reverse racism is still racism!"

Racism will only cease to exist when the races separate.
you are one poster i am waiting for. are you going to answer?

WAIT NO.. it looks like i am replyin to the wrong post with my Tru dat.. sorry
ebonics are never welcome. unless it is the idiot thread :)

you are one poster i am waiting for. are you going to answer?
I was waiting for him too...back to my other post...how would it work? How should the races separate, where should they live, what contact would they have with each other...

I was waiting for him too...back to my other post...how would it work? How should the races separate, where should they live, what contact would they have with each other...
The following post is primarily sarcastic in nature:
Hitler Jungend will probably come up with some ludacris idea like "We surround everybody in the world in a giant permeable membrane. Then, they'll all separate, as different races diffuse across the membrane differently!" :rolleyes:

Take a look at Spain. The Fascists were not "all about killing" there, in fact the Communist Republic did more in the name of repressive executions. In Barcelona during the Spainish Civil War, thousands of anarchists and socialists were executed by the communists. There was a civil war in the middle of the civil war. While Franco didn't exactly support freedom, the reason he was fighting was not racial purity or just to kill people. He was fighting against Communism. I'm a socialist. I'm anti-fascist. But you can't just gloss over the past like that.

Since when was Franco a Facist?

What gloss?


I admit that the Communist movements of the world killed more people, but we are now talking morality.

The following post is primarily sarcastic in nature:
Hitler Jungend will probably come up with some ludacris idea like "We surround everybody in the world in a giant permeable membrane. Then, they'll all separate, as different races diffuse across the membrane differently!" :rolleyes:
Well, you would think if he has really considered it, he might have some ideas...I can't remember if it was VoteEarly or Kahta that first said something about enclaves...are they around?

Communism arose from a system were people were kept poor by class, my friend.

I too love my money, but what if all your work went to some landowner who lived miles away in a big mansion, while you and your family starved, and he could have people beat the shit out of you if you got out of line, and screw you wife to boot?

Communism, yes, it was noble in intent, you just don't understand it.

It can even be said that Soviet Russia was a bad example of communism.

Personally, I do not think communism can work for very long.

However, if you lived in the class system, I think you would be all for it.

Fair enough. The rich land owner with "serfs" working for him (manorialism?) is not cool, at least not unless those people are paid well/fairly for their work and they are free to go if they please. But why go all the way to communism if you have enough jobs available so that just about anyone who wanted to earn a paycheck could earn a paycheck? I just have the idea in my head that communism kills the entrepreneurial spirit with punitive taxes for those who are successful (if not for everyone), state control of business (few or no proprietary rights), etc.

Fair enough. The rich land owner with "serfs" working for him (manorialism?) is not cool, at least not unless those people are paid well/fairly for their work and they are free to go if they please. But why go all the way to communism if you have enough jobs available so that just about anyone who wanted to earn a paycheck could earn a paycheck? I just have the idea in my head that communism kills the entrepreneurial spirit with punitive taxes for those who are successful (if not for everyone), state control of business (few or no proprietary rights), etc.

i think people are confusing Marxist thoery and the original intent of Communism with the Soviet model. It changed a lot of Marxist ideas. (he never imagined the authoritarian goverment that Russia would soon have)

cant say i havent tried. i gave these guys a platform, a stage to lay it all out on, and give me, at least, a clearer picture of their world. but its not happening . even hitlerjugend cannot, willnot, answer to his beliefs when questioned. expected? no. believable? yes.

Oh, I agree.

One thing I do hate is rich (or even poor) communists.

We do not live in a class system, so what the hell are they talking about?

I personally enjoy my free market better than socialism or communism of any kind.

What is your definition of fascist, if you are unwilling to admit Franco as one? The Falange, backbone of the Francoist political party was proudly Fascist, Mussolini and Hitler not only gave overwhelming support to his troops, movement, etc., but also they welcomed him as a fellow fascist power. Following WWII, the franquista historians attempted to revamp the fascist image of Franco, but they had a decade of fascist propaganda to the contrary.

And I'm not talking morailty about the executions of anarchists or socialists in the May troubles. I'm talking about a policy supported by Stalin and carried through by the PCE (Partido Communista Espana) to expunge everyone that wasn't Communist from the Republic. Right or wrong, their policy WAS more about taking fighting units from teh front lines and executing them for trying to help the social revolution that had already begun. And, wasn't that the ideology behind communism?

cant say i havent tried. i gave these guys a platform, a stage to lay it all out on, and give me, at least, a clearer picture of their world. but its not happening . even hitlerjugend cannot, willnot, answer to his beliefs when questioned. expected? no. believable? yes.
It would take me pages to write everything out. if you really want to hear my opinions, pm me with an email address and over the next day or two I'll write everything out for you.

cant say i havent tried. i gave these guys a platform, a stage to lay it all out on, and give me, at least, a clearer picture of their world. but its not happening . even hitlerjugend cannot, willnot, answer to his beliefs when questioned. expected? no. believable? yes.


What a beautifull ploy you have set out for them!

And I know for a fact there are more crackerjack minded people on this site, but apparently they have decided not to answer your thread.

Nicely done!

And, wasn't that the ideology behind communism


No.

You obviously have not done your homework.

Franco may have been a Fascist, you are quiet right, what am I talking about.

But compared to his friends there, he didn't do very well at all.

It would take me pages to write everything out. if you really want to hear my opinions, pm me with an email address and over the next day or two I'll write everything out for you.
Then condense it.

It would take me pages to write everything out. if you really want to hear my opinions, pm me with an email address and over the next day or two I'll write everything out for you.
i will do that. but i also have to say, you seem to be a well spoken, well thought out person, with clear cut ideals. not a boot stomper, if you get me. you cant even touch on anything abit, just to give people an idea?

Then condense it.

Condense it?
Lets pretend I asked you to explain troposcatter, but I want it in a condensed version. See? It cant be done.

It would take me pages to write everything out. if you really want to hear my opinions, pm me with an email address and over the next day or two I'll write everything out for you.
Hey, I'd like to hear them too. You don't have to go into crazy detail...just outline how separation of the races would work...again, where would we live, how would we interact...or if you wish to abolish all other races, please say that too.

Condense it?
Lets pretend I asked you to explain troposcatter, but I want it in a condensed version. See? It cant be done.
What the heck is troposcatter?

Listen, unless you haven't really thought it out, it should be quite easy to give us a brief, and non-comprehensive outline of your ideas. If a communist or a capitalist or a deeply religious person can do it, so can you.

Hey, I'd like to hear them too. You don't have to go into crazy detail...just outline how separation of the races would work...again, where would we live, how would we interact...or if you wish to abolish all other races, please say that too.
As I've said, it is too in-depth. In order to make my points clear, there is a real mulitude of information and concepts I must explain.

No.

You obviously have not done your homework.



My apologies if I worded things awkwardly. What I meant was social revolution being one of the main goals of communism, not killing of rivals.

"In fact, the abolition of private property is, doubtless, the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution in the whole social order which has been made necessary by the development of industry – and for this reason it is rightly advanced by communists as their main demand." - Karl Marx, "The Principles of Communism" in Selected Works, trans. Paul Sweezy (Moscow: Progress Publishers, 1969)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/index.htm

Your final paragraph raises a good question. I would imagine that liberals, not wanting to come down on their own (and believing -- or wanting to perpetuate the belief -- that fascism is a right-wing thing), have decided to ignore the brutishness of communism or communist states (see USSR under Stalin) or the leaders of said states while heaping scorn on fascism.

Communist Russia under Stalin killed millions more than Hitler did. (NOT making an excuse for or defending Hitler, who was tripe, but pointing out that Stalin was more murderous.)

are you calling hitler tripe, i'll have you done for that. hitler was the greatest thing that ever happened to the world, theres only about 3 people more right-wing than him, thats me, my best friend and the leader of the BNP. and i like all of them people. :sniper: :mp5: freedom of speach, thats what it is. and i've been in trouble with the police for it before, apparently i was "inciting racial hatred". they bloody mugged me, i have the right to call em racist names if they beat me up, but no thats what the labour party do. i say BNP, the future

As I've said, it is too in-depth. In order to make my points clear, there is a real mulitude of information and concepts I must explain.
I think you are avoiding the question. Let me make it clear, and start with just a few questions.

Let's say the races are separate.

1) Would they live in the same country, but in separate areas?
2) Or would they even live in the same city, but in separate areas?
3) Or, would the races have to live in different countries?


Now, kindly do us the kindness of treating us like intelligent human beings who will be able to understand (if not necessarily agree with) whatever concepts and information you have. Start small, and we can build from there. We aren't asking for a manifesto, let's just start with these questions, they are even yes and no questions, for your convenience.

are you calling hitler tripe, i'll have you done for that. hitler was the greatest thing that ever happened to the world, theres only about 3 people more right-wing than him, thats me, my best friend and the leader of the BNP. and i like all of them people. :sniper: :mp5: freedom of speach, thats what it is. and i've been in trouble with the police for it before, apparently i was "inciting racial hatred". they bloody mugged me, i have the right to call em racist names if they beat me up, but no thats what the labour party do. i say BNP, the future
:rolleyes:

are you calling hitler tripe, i'll have you done for that. hitler was the greatest thing that ever happened to the world, theres only about 3 people more right-wing than him, thats me, my best friend and the leader of the BNP. and i like all of them people. :sniper: :mp5: freedom of speach, thats what it is. and i've been in trouble with the police for it before, apparently i was "inciting racial hatred". they bloody mugged me, i have the right to call em racist names if they beat me up, but no thats what the labour party do. i say BNP, the future


See, your not making any sensible arguments whatsoever about anything at all.

All you've done is talk about yourself.

This emphasiezes my point that most Neo Nazis ect are in it for indentity and attention.

Go away. If you want attention from us, make a good argument.

are you calling hitler tripe, i'll have you done for that. hitler was the greatest thing that ever happened to the world, theres only about 3 people more right-wing than him, thats me, my best friend and the leader of the BNP. and i like all of them people. :sniper: :mp5: freedom of speach, thats what it is. and i've been in trouble with the police for it before, apparently i was "inciting racial hatred". they bloody mugged me, i have the right to call em racist names if they beat me up, but no thats what the labour party do. i say BNP, the future
okay. that told us nothing. i suspect you are one of the people that cause t certain serious members of certain groups to hide? because you are a complete embarrassment?

See, your not making any sensible arguments whatsoever about anything at all.

All you've done is talk about yourself.

This emphasiezes my point that most Neo Nazis ect are in it for indentity and attention.

Go away. If you want attention from us, make a good argument.
most? can we say that yet, seeing as none have really posted?

My apologies if I worded things awkwardly. What I meant was social revolution being one of the main goals of communism, not killing of rivals.

"In fact, the abolition of private property is, doubtless, the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution in the whole social order which has been made necessary by the development of industry – and for this reason it is rightly advanced by communists as their main demand." - Karl Marx, "The Principles of Communism" in Selected Works, trans. Paul Sweezy (Moscow: Progress Publishers, 1969)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/index.htm


Well now, that's entirely different.

most? can we say that yet, seeing as none have really posted?



He is one, and I am not basing that simply on things I have seen on the internet(neo nazis being attention seekers that is)

I think you are avoiding the question. Let me make it clear, and start with just a few questions.

Let's say the races are separate.

1) Would they live in the same country, but in separate areas?
2) Or would they even live in the same city, but in separate areas?
3) Or, would the races have to live in different countries?


Now, kindly do us the kindness of treating us like intelligent human beings who will be able to understand (if not necessarily agree with) whatever concepts and information you have. Start small, and we can build from there. We aren't asking for a manifesto, let's just start with these questions, they are even yes and no questions, for your convenience.

Okay.

The races must live seperately, for the benefit of all races. All races were much happier before we began interacting. Therefore, we would return to our respective countries and/or continents. The "natives" would go to Asia because they are only separated from them by a few thousand years. Also, the have no claims to this land. They were even less established here than the blacks were in Africa. Whites would stay here in the US and Canada. Trade would continue between nations, as it always had. The trading of ideas and objects is the only reason why humans arent still living in hunter-gatherer societies.

Communism arose from a system were people were kept poor by class, my friend.

I too love my money, but what if all your work went to some landowner who lived miles away in a big mansion, while you and your family starved, and he could have people beat the shit out of you if you got out of line, and screw you wife to boot?

Communism, yes, it was noble in intent, you just don't understand it.

It can even be said that Soviet Russia was a bad example of communism.

Personally, I do not think communism can work for very long.

However, if you lived in the class system, I think you would be all for it.


Interesting that the notion of a "class system" was brought up because Stalin executed more peasants than anyone else. I don't think one can claim that communism was "noble in intent" with any sort of real conviction. Why? Because out of the 10 most murderous regimes of the 20th century, 5 were communist (aside from Stalin, we have: China under Mao, Poland under Tito, Kmer Rouge, and Communist Vietnam). Also note that Mao (as well as Stalin) MURDERED more people than Hitler through Stalinist methods of organized famines and slave labor camps (though this is not to banalize the atrocities commited by the Nazi regime). Defending communism is a lost cause because it has the worst track record (practically speaking) out of any political movement. Better to stand by socialism or marxism....

Okay.

The races must live seperately, for the benefit of all races. All races were much happier before we began interacting. Therefore, we would return to our respective countries and/or continents. The "natives" would go to Asia because they are only separated from them by a few thousand years. Also, the have no claims to this land. They were even less established here than the blacks were in Africa. Whites would stay here in the US and Canada. Trade would continue between nations, as it always had. The trading of ideas and objects is the only reason why humans arent still living in hunter-gatherer societies.
how do you define white? and what about mixed race people?

Okay.

The races must live seperately, for the benefit of all races. All races were much happier before we began interacting. Therefore, we would return to our respective countries and/or continents. The "natives" would go to Asia because they are only separated from them by a few thousand years. Also, the have no claims to this land. They were even less established here than the blacks were in Africa. Whites would stay here in the US and Canada. Trade would continue between nations, as it always had. The trading of ideas and objects is the only reason why humans arent still living in hunter-gatherer societies.

First of all, thank you for taking the time to reply. That being said, I also want to state that while I don't agree with you, I'm not going to argue your points, just try to understand them. Fair enough?

Ok, so all the races go back to different countries or continents. Please give us a breakdown of which races would go to which continents...you've said Whites would stay in the US and Canada...is that the only places they would be, or would they be in Europe too? And the other races...?

What about mixed-race people? Where would they go? (Picture chinese/black if you wish).

Do you consider natives to be asiatic then?

Okay.

The races must live seperately, for the benefit of all races. All races were much happier before we began interacting. Therefore, we would return to our respective countries and/or continents. The "natives" would go to Asia because they are only separated from them by a few thousand years. Also, the have no claims to this land. They were even less established here than the blacks were in Africa. Whites would stay here in the US and Canada. Trade would continue between nations, as it always had. The trading of ideas and objects is the only reason why humans arent still living in hunter-gatherer societies.

I dont understand this.. do you realize that before the term 'race' was made up (like before narrow view of history that you know, more than just the past few hunderds of years) the 'races' had LARGE amounts of contact? most white people can trace their roots to the Goths who came from Russia nad parts of Asia. Groups that are considered caucasian today also came from India. The term 'race' is an artifical one and one that is farily new in the greater scope of history

Racism will always exist. So long as there exists separate, distinct peoples on this world, there will always be racism. The primary driving force behind racism and discrimination is the concept of "difference". They are different from me, therefore they are [inferior/etc]. So long as any difference can be readily seen and/or sought out, there will always be the concept of inequality. Racism is merely a more obvious form of group discrimination. One can find examples of non-racist discrimination which uses the same baseless ideals as the run of the mill racism. Such as "East side vs West side", "Serbians vs Croatians", "protestants vs catholics", the list goes on. Even groups of people with the same fundamental beliefs still manage to find a common ground upon which to base their hate for each other. Group hate is unavoidable. It is inevitable. It will never end. The only thing one can do about it is to realize and acknowledge its existence, and attempt to continue life without letting it effect you. And good luck with that.

I'll give you an example.

There's plenty of beauty pageants. There is, for example, miss BLACK America, miss LATIN America, miss ASIAN America.

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Thats a wrong thing to do. It's segragation, but worse than that it is a concious segragation. They, those PEOPLE(!), are dividing themselves away, making themselves into a group, when really, REALLY,
THEY ARE JUST PEOPLE! HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN IN THE WORLD!
The world has to realise that. People are people. There is no such thing as chinese or cocasian, african or latino.

ONLY HUMAN.

Truely there is no such thing as an Irish person or an English person.
No such thing as Chinese or Japanese, Palestinian or Israeli, American, French, German, Dutch, etc.
A country is just a line on a map. Thats all. In reality, there is only land.
This is in no way spouting anarchism ( I really do not agree with anarchism).
This is just sense.
These lines on a map cause people to go out and "Kill a 'Gerry or two", but really when your looking down on the freshly murdered body of a dead german youth, can you say he was wrong? We have to realise that he was probably conscripted, was either tricked or didn't believe in what he was doing.

I realise that that sounds vauge. The point I was making was that things like world war two and war in general are just the senseless fight over a line on a map. The leaders might be interested in resources, but thats just for their line on a map.
My overall point is that we should focus on helping humanity, not greedily and senselessly kill eachother over physical differences or the name that some attach to themselves (as in Bulgarian, Romanian, etc.)

Physical difference? why would you hate someeone because of a physical difference? Some have red hair, others have brown.
But that doesn't mean we should be chasing people down shouting "Get the ginger!" does it?

No, a physical difference is nothing. Some people have pointy noses others have broad noses.
But commuinities don't divide over that do they?

A physical diffence is nothing.

First of all, thank you for taking the time to reply. That being said, I also want to state that while I don't agree with you, I'm not going to argue your points, just try to understand them. Fair enough?

Ok, so all the races go back to different countries or continents. Please give us a breakdown of which races would go to which continents...you've said Whites would stay in the US and Canada...is that the only places they would be, or would they be in Europe too? And the other races...?

What about mixed-race people? Where would they go? (Picture chinese/black if you wish).

Do you consider natives to be asiatic then?

You see? This is what I mean. You and Occidio Multus both have many questions that require time to write down. I have to go now, but Occidio Multus should expect and email within a few days and then they can send it to you if they wish.

The phrase "communism was noble in intent" doesn't mean anything. Communism is an idea. Ideas can not be noble or otherwise. It's as silly as saying algebra is noble in intent. What should be said is that Marx was noble in his intentions (if horribly misguided) while Stalin, Mao, Castro, and probably every communist leader ever was anything but noble in their intent.

I dont understand this.. do you realize that before the term 'race' was made up (like before narrow view of history that you know, more than just the past few hunderds of years) the 'races' had LARGE amounts of contact? most white people can trace their roots to the Goths who came from Russia nad parts of Asia. Groups that are considered caucasian today also came from India. The term 'race' is an artifical one and one that is farily new in the greater scope of history
for the sake of the thread, dont nitpick. i am attempting to understand this issue.

The "natives" would go to Asia because they are only separated from them by a few thousand years. Also, the have no claims to this land. They were even less established here than the blacks were in Africa. Whites would stay here in the US and Canada.
Are you saying that we have more "claim" to this land then they?

EDIT:
Oops, sorry about the questions thing.

You see? This is what I mean. You and Occidio Multus both have many questions that require time to write down. I have to go now, but Occidio Multus should expect and email within a few days and then they can send it to you if they wish.
Hmmm...I would've thought you'd have these things pretty well considered by now...but I guess not. Well, I suppose we have to wait for the big picture...funny, usually when you post in threads you seem to have it all figured out. I guess appearences can be deceiving. Make sure you pass that email on, Occ!

for the sake of the thread, dont nitpick. i am attempting to understand this issue.
Yeah, to be honest, I've never really had the "White supremist" agenda explained to me...though I've had lots of discussions about race and what it means, if anything. It'd be nice to figure out what these people really want outside of the hateful rhetoric and counter-attacks...

I was thinking last night of the same sort of thread...hopefully some others (like Servus Dei, Kahta and VoteEarly) will chip in some info later too.

I don't know if any of you know or can identify with this, but the South African government has a huge policy of Affirmitive Action. In fact, you can litterally forget about getting a skilled job unless you have a black business partner. This goes so far that universities are actually taking in 80% black, 10% indian and 10% white. I mean Jesus Christ, when apartheid (sp?) was going on in South Africa (in other words when the country was quite rich) the whole world stood up and said "NO. You cannot do that, its racist". But does no one see that South Africa is totally implimenting apartheid, in everything but name and the actual segregation of whites. Does no one see this?

A friend of mine was once a human resources manager at a South African firm. He was skilled and trained. He got replaced by a black man who could hardly read let alone manage the humans resources section of a major company, and my friend was actually asked to train him and then leave his job!! It seems that no one understands that this too is racism, but towards whites.

I am in no way trying to be racist here, but South Africa was a much richer and more organised country with a white government. My father was actually conscripted into the South African army, when the President of South Africa was, if I recall, F W De Klerck, the last white President. He now admits that the army is a shambles compared to what it was, with good Dutch organisation.

Just a slice of my mind.
<<<----- NOT racist, please don't flame....

Theres a difference between Apartheid and that. During apartheid the government surpressed the majority. That was saying that the majority is surpressing the minority.

by a black man who could hardly read let alone manage the humans resources section of a major company, and my friend was actually asked to train him and then leave his job!! It seems that no one understands that this too is racism, but towards whites.

I am in no way trying to be racist here, but South Africa was a much richer and more organised country with a white government. My father was actually conscripted into the South African army, when the President of South Africa was, if I recall, F W De Klerck, the last white President. He now admits that the army is a shambles compared to what it was, with good Dutch organisation.

Just a slice of my mind.
<<<----- NOT racist, please don't flame....


That's exactly the problem, its considered racist to speak ill of the 'oppressed'. Look at crime in SA now as well, it is no longer a safe country.

That being said, I think there is no defense for racism on the surface. We are all people after all, however. . . .

We are not that far removed from societies that did not interact much. Cultural differences have bread suspicion and mistrust. Read Pat Buchanan for a really clear idea of what the new improved polite racism is-the fear of racial subjucation by a race considered inferior. In the educated person this is expressed by isolationalism and indifference to the 'other'. Think bank manager living ina gated community unwilling to give the 'coloured' a loan. In the uneducated fear breeds violence, always has, always will. The failure of the far right to succed in present terms is measured in the success of education.

Legislated equality has done more for the far right than any neo facist group. (As an aside please all do not confuse Nazism with Facism; Stalinism with Communism, there are independent ideological outshoots) Guilt plays a part too, no one wants to admit that they may be better than some one else, we have gone from a culture that prizes advance to on that prizes the mediocre.
John Ralston Saul is more good reading here.

Anyhow, my two sense--proudly fascist, rabidly anti-nazi.

IThis goes so far that universities are actually taking in 80% black, 10% indian and 10% white.
Well gee, maybe that has something to do with the fact that 80% of the entire goddamn population of South Africa is black? I've heard shitty arguments before, but that really takes the cake.

Just a few comments I want to make..

but your groups are associated with hate and violence. maybe thats not fair, but it is the image you decided to show to the public.

Do you know who owns the book publishing, the television stations, the radio stations, magazines, and just about every form of media? There's a certain group of people that have a monopoly over this sort of thing, and it most certainly isn't a group of people that would be friendly to nazis. Same reason why Naziism gets so much more bad press than Communism. Research it and check it out.

HA...
Racism will die out within this century. The world ahs become a much smaller place and interracial relationships grow in leaps and bound. Tolerance of other races is on teh rise as well. Inevitably there will be only one race on the planet . Its just a matter of time.

I say great !!!! genetic diversity only strengthens the species. So far as cultural difference go . Those will break down as well as cultures begin to blend and mix.

Religious differences on the other hand will be with us as long as their is religion.

Where will your (insert color) power be then? Sure there will be a few hold outs but once their daughters and sons decide too stop imbreding with the few remaining racial purists and take of the forbidden fruit all will be well.

A civilization is the people who live in it. Take these people out or mix them with different people, the civilization changes and becomes no more. It happened to the Egyptians at least twice, Greeks, Romans, Sumerians, Assyrians and the list goes on. A civilization ALWAYS falls after race mixing- ALWAYS.

I’ll give you the example of Portugal. In the 15th and 16th centuries the Portuguese were a race of navigators, explorers and adventurers, establishing colonies in Asia, Africa and South America. As a result, Portugal became one of the wealthiest and most powerful nations in all Europe. However in 1441, after the voyages of discovery down the coast of Africa, the first Black slaves were imported into Portugal and within 100 years ten percent of the population was Black. An entry from the 1911 edition of The Encyclopaedia Britannica—before the "politically correct" hogwash had really intervened: “The Portuguese inter-married freely with their slaves and this infusion of alien blood profoundly modified the character and physique of the nation. It may be said without exaggeration that the Portuguese of the 17th and later centuries were two different races”.

Your whole concept of having "one race" on the planet is sick and twisted. Besides, how boring would the world be if there existed only one type of tree, bird, or insect?

Well gee, maybe that has something to do with the fact that 80% of the entire goddamn population of South Africa is black? I've heard shitty arguments before, but that really takes the cake.

From the CIA factbook on South Africa:

Ethnic groups:
black 75.2%, white 13.6%, Colored 8.6%, Indian 2.6%

So if the 80% black, 10% white, 10% indian that was quoted earlier is right, black and indians are overrepresented in south africans universities, while white are underrepresented.

Anyway, my personal 2 cents, why even have a "race" category in university applications? Should you get accepted based on your merit instead of the shade of your skin?

Remember that Hitler had allies in Japan as well as Sub-Saharan Africa, so that pretty much debunks the whole "Nazis hate everybody but whites" thing.

David Myatt has some very enlightening words concerning the truth of National Socialism:


"Genuine National-Socialists are not racists, just as National-Socialism cannot be defined in terms of racism. For racism is a modern term, invented by Marxist social engineers, and is used to mentally condition and control people so that a particular type of political society can be created. These social engineers want us to view the world through the terms, the abstract ideas, they have created. I refuse to do this; I refuse to play their rigged game, and this makes me both unpopular and misunderstood.

Correctly defined and understood, National-Socialism is an ethnic philosophy which affirms that the different races, the different peoples, which exist are expressions of our human condition, and that these differences, this human diversity, should be treasured in the same way we treasure the diversity of Nature. National-Socialists believe our world would be poorer were these human differences to be destroyed through abstract ideas - through the creation of a socially-engineered Marxist society. The world would certainly be a very different place if there existed only one type of tree, one type of bird, one type of insect, one type of fish!

Genuine National-Socialists respect other cultures, and people of other races, because genuine National-Socialists uphold honour. Honour means being civilized; it means having manners: being polite; restrained in public and so on. Honour means treating people with courtesy and respect - unless, that is, those people act in a dishonourable way toward you, when retribution may be in order.

National-Socialism expressed the view that a person should be proud of their on culture and heritage, respectful of their ancestors and their ancestral way of life, and accept that other peoples have a right to be proud of their own culture and heritage as well. The ideal is a working toward mutual understanding and respect.

This is the truth about National-Socialism which I and others have uncovered in the past decades; a truth covered up by decade upon decade of ignoble Zionist propaganda."

From the CIA factbook on South Africa:

Ethnic groups:
black 75.2%, white 13.6%, Colored 8.6%, Indian 2.6%

So if the 80% black, 10% white, 10% indian that was quoted earlier is right, black and indians are overrepresented in south africans universities, while white are underrepresented.

Anyway, my personal 2 cents, why even have a "race" category in university applications? Should you get accepted based on your merit instead of the shade of your skin?
Eh. The guy was pulling statistics out of his ass anyways. Numbers are close enough.

Also, fascism is denounced as some extreme right wing ideology (it's not extreme right at all, it has elements of socialism, liberalism and conservatism) that is to be hated and despised, yet the communists, who tried to eliminate all their class rivals in some countries, they do not have the same bad name, even though their bodycount is higher by a factor 5 or so.

Were you in a coma during the entire cold war?

May I invoke Godwin's law now?

:headbang: alright I've been lurking awhile and here are my $0.02

I am a FORMER white supremist, here were my driving factors. Power, respect, fear, acceptance, and pride in myself (as odd as that sounds). I won't go into the things that I did over 6 years or the people that got hurt (both physically and emotionally), respect this and please don't ask. Did I hate people because of their race Yes. Was it totally misguided YES and I reliazed that 4 years ago. Why are the groups running scared or on empty... The simple fact is they are NOT believe it or not they are just getting more organized as a matter of fact, neo-nazis in Russia are numbering in the 100,000 mark now. My personal driving forces when I was in was control and power. What are the best ways to garner control and power?? Fear and intimidation.

Now I want to set the record straight on a number a few things:

6 million WERE killed by the Nazis, Stalin killed over twice that amount

Hitler needed a scapegoat to get into power and that scapegoat was the successful minority at the time (Jews)

Nazis were racist and anti-homosexual but the great debate does still rage on if Hitler was a gay or not

You cannot judge a person based on their race or religion

Like I said thats my $0.02

Hmmm...I would've thought you'd have these things pretty well considered by now...but I guess not. Well, I suppose we have to wait for the big picture...funny, usually when you post in threads you seem to have it all figured out. I guess appearences can be deceiving. Make sure you pass that email on, Occ!


good grief now your argueing with a neo nazi???
lol

You're making the common mistake of believing that there is such a thing as "the human race". There are a number of human races on this planet, to state some obvious examples, the Aryan race and the Jewish race. The Aryan race, the race that evolved in Scandinavia and Central Europe, is clearly the most highly evolved race, the most intelligent and spiritually pure. Sure, someone will point out that the Japanese and their ilk are also very intelligent. They fail to realise that all other races owe their intelligence to the Aryan one. Aryans were the first to begin exploring the world, to begin to understand science, to move out of the stone age and to develop sophisticated language.

Today the white population of this planet is a mere 15% and declining. We do not necessarily stand for the extermination of various ethnic groups, we stand for a return to single race cultures. All Asians should be in Asia, all Africans in Africa, all Latinos in South America and all whites in white countries, such as North America, Europe or Australasia. We must all preserve our independent cultures, whites for whites and blacks for blacks. Anyone who opposes that shall be simply removed, violently or not, when the world wide white revolution takes place.

Also- Nazism is but one form of fascism. I am a nazi and proud, but a lot of non-nazi fascists have disowned us. Why? Fascism stands for every citizens? absolute loyalty to the state, the state being the supreme authority. National socialist fascists go a step further, stating that the white race is the supreme authority and that all should be loyal to the white state.

Damo
Founder, White Aryan Resistance
OUR RACE IS OUR NATION

You're making the common mistake of believing that there is such a thing as "the human race". There are a number of human races on this planet, to state some obvious examples, the Aryan race and the Jewish race. The Aryan race, the race that evolved in Scandinavia and Central Europe, is clearly the most highly evolved race, the most intelligent and spiritually pure. Sure, someone will point out that the Japanese and their ilk are also very intelligent. They fail to realise that all other races owe their intelligence to the Aryan one. Aryans were the first to begin exploring the world, to begin to understand science, to move out of the stone age and to develop sophisticated language.
:D
You're funny.
Totally wrong, but funny.
Also- Nazism is but one form of fascism. I am a nazi and proud, but a lot of non-nazi fascists have disowned us. Why? Fascism stands for every citizens? absolute loyalty to the state, the state being the supreme authority. National socialist fascists go a step further, stating that the white race is the supreme authority and that all should be loyal to the white state.
Yeah, because everybody a different color obviously has something wrong with them.
Sieg heil!...or not.

The Aryan race, the race that evolved in Scandinavia and Central Europe, is clearly the most highly evolved race, the most intelligent and spiritually pure.

I'm with Neo here, you are so very very wrong... I'm technically Aryan, go look at my picture in the Pic thread. ;) Aryan is a Sanskrit term, used nowadays to describe a people who arose in the area around the Caucasus aaaaages ago. The only real modern use that I can think of is linguistic.

Um, the Chinese?
no we invented it that just build it for a stick of gum an hour

hey i'm aryan 2 does that make me hot? :confused:

Umm, what happened after the Greek Empire fell? Oh right, the Romans took over. You implied that the romans were good when you (Hitler something or other) posted that. Civilizations fall, but there is always another one. And you forget that the main reason that whites were pressed into becomeing more tech-superior was that they wound up with crowded lands, and then they had to fight it out. And besides, race is foolish to care about. For your Portugal example, I can find two other, more important explanations than 'they polluted their blood'.

Here it is - they were a puppet of spain. Wiki. As well, portugal went Anti-Jewish. Actually, their king died, and then Spain took over, and before that their weath was declining. As well, by then end of the 17th century, large amounts had emmigrated over to Brazil.

You're making the common mistake of believing that there is such a thing as "the human race". There are a number of human races on this planet, to state some obvious examples, the Aryan race and the Jewish race. The Aryan race, the race that evolved in Scandinavia and Central Europe, is clearly the most highly evolved race, the most intelligent and spiritually pure. Sure, someone will point out that the Japanese and their ilk are also very intelligent. They fail to realise that all other races owe their intelligence to the Aryan one. Aryans were the first to begin exploring the world, to begin to understand science, to move out of the stone age and to develop sophisticated language.

Today the white population of this planet is a mere 15% and declining. We do not necessarily stand for the extermination of various ethnic groups, we stand for a return to single race cultures. All Asians should be in Asia, all Africans in Africa, all Latinos in South America and all whites in white countries, such as North America, Europe or Australasia. We must all preserve our independent cultures, whites for whites and blacks for blacks. Anyone who opposes that shall be simply removed, violently or not, when the world wide white revolution takes place.

Also- Nazism is but one form of fascism. I am a nazi and proud, but a lot of non-nazi fascists have disowned us. Why? Fascism stands for every citizens? absolute loyalty to the state, the state being the supreme authority. National socialist fascists go a step further, stating that the white race is the supreme authority and that all should be loyal to the white state.

Damo
Founder, White Aryan Resistance
OUR RACE IS OUR NATION
Hint: If we did what you wanted, no white person would be left in North or South America.

Racism will always exist. So long as there exists separate, distinct peoples on this world, there will always be racism. The primary driving force behind racism and discrimination is the concept of "difference". They are different from me, therefore they are [inferior/etc]. So long as any difference can be readily seen and/or sought out, there will always be the concept of inequality. Racism is merely a more obvious form of group discrimination. One can find examples of non-racist discrimination which uses the same baseless ideals as the run of the mill racism. Such as "East side vs West side", "Serbians vs Croatians", "protestants vs catholics", the list goes on. Even groups of people with the same fundamental beliefs still manage to find a common ground upon which to base their hate for each other. Group hate is unavoidable. It is inevitable. It will never end. The only thing one can do about it is to realize and acknowledge its existence, and attempt to continue life without letting it effect you. And good luck with that.

racist.

And that's the thing.

I hate it when people do that. A friend of mine is always touting "Why should I not be proud of my race?"

Because race means fucking nothing? So what if a white man did such and such, a black man invented this, a desi man discovered that? What the hell does it matter? Did you do ANY of those things? No, you did not.

If were going to think like that, does that mean we should also be ashamed at every bad thing someone else of the same race has done?

That really is rather foolish.


Good point. Take the good with the bad

I don't know if any of you know or can identify with this, but the South African government has a huge policy of Affirmitive Action. In fact, you can litterally forget about getting a skilled job unless you have a black business partner. This goes so far that universities are actually taking in 80% black, 10% indian and 10% white.

Umm... isn't about 80% of South Africa's population black and about 10% white? So isn't that ratio in universities simply representative of the actual population of the country? Besides, how is a country expected to adapt from a system where blacks were excluded from basically any good education or business opportunities without affirmative action of some sort?

imho i think that any race being exhalted in any way is wrong, be it black history month, white history month, miss black america, etc. (uless all ethnic ackgrounds ge the same consideration)

Umm... isn't about 80% of South Africa's population black and about 10% white? So isn't that ratio in universities simply representative of the actual population of the country? Besides, how is a country expected to adapt from a system where blacks were excluded from basically any good education or business opportunities without affirmative action of some sort?

Yeah, those uni figures, which I think the original poster pretty much pulled out, are roughly the population figures, although Indian students may be somewhat overrepresented.
But yah, you need to push the non-white population of South Africa or else I think the status quo will remain the same. It will just be economic superiority, which lies with teh white population, rather than institutional racism.

I think helping from the grassroots, like providing families with infrastructure so that kids don't have to stay home or work, but can attend school, and providing decent schools, will go a long way towards fixing these problems, and eventually having quotas won't be necessary as black students will be achieving as well as everyone else.

But where do the resources come from? And we need to cure AIDS or at least get the situation under control. *sigh*

After landing my ass here and reading over all this, here is my take on racism.

I believe that it is one of the single most detremental things in society, believing that one "race" is superior to another. It has been proven that peoples of different "race" can interact with one and other and even build societies. Hell, that's the US right there.

What is "race" anyway? Merely where you are born and your genetic make-up. If that is the case, than am I not a "caucasian", but a "north-eastern-American from a small Irish family"?

Having pride in ones "race" is foolhardy and self-defeating, in that you have absolutely no choice in the matter. It's like saying "I'm proud that I was born with brown eyes!" when really your eye color...doesn't mean anything. Instead of "racial pride" humanity should be teaching "individual pride", pride in personal accievements.

Honestly, are you going to be more proud of the fact that you're white, or that you just aced a math test that was a total biatch? I think most people would be proud of the latter rather than the former.

Thank you.

From experience, I see racism as something that is in people's nature. When you are presented with someone that looks different from most other people you know, with a different culture, accent, language, religion, your first reaction isn't the friendliest... which isn't to say that you're gonna go out and shoot people in the head because of these differences. I was raised in an environment where racism was obvious, with slight discrimination (my grandma used to stop me from waving over a taxi driven by a black guy because they all seemed sketchy to her.)
I think the key to dealing with racism isn't to concentrate on eliminating race labels completely. As nice as that would be there's another aspect that should be targetted: leaving it at slight initial apprehension, if anything at all. You can opt to create an environment where racism is acknowledged, but people have enough awareness to realize that it's silly to treat people badly because of it, and prevent violence and hardcore hate groups.
The Black Panthers may have been against lawyers and crap, but I never heard of these lawyers going through paramilitary training and threatening to make shit go boom (except people's wallets). Violent hating paramilitary groups like the Black Panthers, the Young Lords, the Macheteros, are all as bad as neo-nazis and are simply perpetuating the problem, not fixing it.
It's pretty interesting that slavery was seen all over the world, yet the US is the only place where over 100 years after it was abolished, people are still bitching about it (both sides mind you). For black people who blame white people for slavery: Need I remind you that it was AFRICAN tribes that captured members from OPPOSING tribes to sell to Europeans as slaves? Hum! White people who like to whine about black people getting too much power, that damn affirmative action etc. Affirmative Action makes a lot of sense when you take a good look at it. It allows people with less resources and more difficult backgrounds to be able to get a good education. These people don't just get a free ride. Colleges and their rich white students profit a lot from this too. How? They are able to experience education in an institution of higher learning where they are able to meet and learn about people that they probably otherwise wouldn't get to know. People accepted under Affirmative Action give their share back in exchange for being helped out a bit.
My advice: get over it, stop whining about the other races, it really is just skin color. Accept that and accept that some people have some biases. Get these people to see you're not just an angsty minority/caucasion person, and stop the violence.
Problem? Both sides need to do this. Right now, I don't think either side gives half a crap about doing so.
My prediction: by the end of the 21st century, the World will be a wonderful world of mixed races and universal acceptance, no hatred, no racism, no classism...
The United States, on the other hand, will be making preparations to bomb itself because they're too silly to get over themselves :D

It has been proven that peoples of different "race" can interact with one and other and even build societies. Hell, that's the US right there.

Right, because the modern-day USA is certainly one of the most motivated, well-educated, physically fit, mentally strong civilizations in all of human history, where races from all over the world work together and thrive in such a bright and positive atmosphere. :rolleyes:

i've noticed several racists making comments about how Aryans have made most of the "important" discoveries and inventions we use today. i would invite them to put their money where their mouths are, and immediately stop using all inventions and products made available by people of other ethnicities. this will include, but not be limited to:

entering or dwelling in any building with airconditioning, driving or riding in any car with an automatic gear shift, following or being guided by traffic lights, giving or receiving blood plasma (since the blood plasma bag was invented by a black man), use of cellular phones, wearing of any clothes or fabrics dried in a clothes dryer, riding in elevators, use of fire escape ladders, sitting on folding chairs, playing golf (the golf tee was invented by a minority individual), writing with a fountain pen, playing the guitar, using an ice cream scooper, consuming refined sugar (the process was improved by a black man), placing keys on a key chain or using modern key-operated locks (both of which were invented by black people), using a lunch pail, mopping the floor, consuming peanut butter, sharpening pencils with a pencil sharpener, consuming any product produced using a rollling pin, allowing any medical professional to use a stethoscope to check their heart rate, and purchasing or allowing a child in their care to opperate a tricycle.

Your final paragraph raises a good question. I would imagine that liberals, not wanting to come down on their own (and believing -- or wanting to perpetuate the belief -- that fascism is a right-wing thing), have decided to ignore the brutishness of communism or communist states (see USSR under Stalin) or the leaders of said states while heaping scorn on fascism.

Communist Russia under Stalin killed millions more than Hitler did. (NOT making an excuse for or defending Hitler, who was tripe, but pointing out that Stalin was more murderous.)

The reason that liberals may appear to be ignoring the evils of communism may be this:

1. Everybody agrees Hitler was a bad fascist dude.

2. When I meet fascists today, they are generally advocating racism, violence, homophobia and lots of other things that they *can* and *do* put into practice in their lives to make the lives of lots of others very very unpleasant to say the least.

3. Everybody agrees Stalin was a bad communist dude.

4. When I meet communists today, they are generally advocating nationalisation, stopping wars, increasing spending on health and education and other similar things that they have *no power* to put into practice and which anyway would adversely affect the lives of very few people and then in a very small way.

In short, the fact that Stalin was a bastard doesn't make me hate people who like nationalisation. The fact that Hitler was a bastard doesn't make me hate racists. I just *do* hate racists.

Right, because the modern-day USA is certainly one of the most motivated, well-educated, physically fit, mentally strong civilizations in all of human history, where races from all over the world work together and thrive in such a bright and positive atmosphere. :rolleyes:

It is one of the most varied nations, containing a high proportion of the world's most stupid AND a high proportion of the world's cleverest. It also contains a high proportion of the world's fittest AND a high proportion of the world's fattest. There are extremely good schools in the US and extremely bad ones.

Hey, I wonder if the "superior race" people have ever looked at an analysis by race of the Stupid----Clever and Fat---Fit graphs of the US population? I bet if they did, they'd have to decide that the most superior race is the Pacific Asian, followed by the South Asian.

i've noticed several racists making comments about how Aryans have made most of the "important" discoveries and inventions we use today. i would invite them to put their money where their mouths are, and immediately stop using all inventions and products made available by people of other ethnicities. this will include, but not be limited to:

entering or dwelling in any building with airconditioning, driving or riding in any car with an automatic gear shift, following or being guided by traffic lights, giving or receiving blood plasma (since the blood plasma bag was invented by a black man), use of cellular phones, wearing of any clothes or fabrics dried in a clothes dryer, riding in elevators, use of fire escape ladders, sitting on folding chairs, playing golf (the golf tee was invented by a minority individual), writing with a fountain pen, playing the guitar, using an ice cream scooper, consuming refined sugar (the process was improved by a black man), placing keys on a key chain or using modern key-operated locks (both of which were invented by black people), using a lunch pail, mopping the floor, consuming peanut butter, sharpening pencils with a pencil sharpener, consuming any product produced using a rollling pin, allowing any medical professional to use a stethoscope to check their heart rate, and purchasing or allowing a child in their care to opperate a tricycle.
Ah, but this is wrong. The blacks invented all these things while living in our country with Aryan education. Give us examples of things they invented before interacting with us. What have they done all on their own?

A civilization is the people who live in it. Take these people out or mix them with different people, the civilization changes and becomes no more. It happened to the Egyptians at least twice, Greeks, Romans, Sumerians, Assyrians and the list goes on. A civilization ALWAYS falls after race mixing- ALWAYS.
Yes, like the US today, right? Very unstable, they collapse any second now. Maybe the Ottoman empire, or imperial China? The only question is how long it takes. The romans held out for centuries with a mixed population. And maybe you could prove your proposed causality, eh? I heard there were pure-breed empires that crumbled, too.

1. Everybody agrees Hitler was a bad fascist dude.

I don't. Hitler was much less evil than what people give him credit for. His policy of National Socialism accomplished the following:


Brought emancipation and equality to women
It's military, outnumbered and outgunned, though motived by a powerful new philosphy, became an almost invincible force.
Hitler gave the German people joy of being alive and a pride in simply being a German, instead of the humiliated broken people he had inherited.
Hitler revived Germany's economy and put millions back to work
Very affordable housing
Universal health care along with a right of patients to choose their own doctor and hospital
Free College education for all qualified applicants


Everyone blames Hitler for starting the war and wanting to conquer the world. Nothing could be further from the truth.

"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939)

Roosevelt declared before the U.S. Congress, in 1934, "There will be war with Germany... all has been planned for some time..."

In 1937, Churchill said to German Foreign Minister Ribbentrop: "If Germany gets too strong, we shall smash her again!"

On July 19, 1940, Hitler declared in his speech before the Reichstag: "I am, today, still saddened by the failure of my efforts to establish a friendship with England, which, I believe, would be a blessing for both peoples."

Hitler expressed this opinion: "A European war would be the end of all our efforts even if we should win, because the disappearance of the British empire would be a misfortune which could not be made up again." He told the Dutch fascist leader Anton Mussert: "We have not the slightest reason to fight Britain. Even if we win, we gain nothing." Hitler was such an admirer of the British empire that he offered to defend the empire anywhere in the world with German troops should Britain ever need them. (Barnes, Harry Elmer, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, 162)

In his speech at Fulton in 1946, Churchill declared: "The war was not only waged to defeat fascism (sic) in Germany, but to conquer the German export market. We could have, if we had wanted, prevented war in 1935, without firing a shot, but we did not wish to do so."

In David Irving's "Hitler's War," Irving quotes Baron von Weizaecker as saying that Hitler "had set his heart on peace" and Hitler as saying "The survival of the British empire is in Germany's interest too." Hitler "felt he had repeatedly extended the hand of peace and friendship to the British, and each time they had blackened his eye in reply."

Hitler was so against war that he said it would not do Germany any good, even if Germany won the war, as war would put an end to all his plans. "Hitler was not thinking of war," Albert Forster, 36-year-old district leader of Danzig, told Churchill, as "the Führer's immense social and cultural plans would take years to fulfill." (Irving, ibid., 121)

Yes, like the US today, right? Very unstable, they collapse any second now. Maybe the Ottoman empire, or imperial China? The only question is how long it takes. The romans held out for centuries with a mixed population. And maybe you could prove your proposed causality, eh? I heard there were pure-breed empires that crumbled, too.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/racial_mixing.htm
An extensive history of the collapse of empires from race mixing

Everyone blames Hitler for starting the war and wanting to conquer the world. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Is there any possibility you could overlook that Germany invaded Poland 9/1/39? The cause, a attack of polish troops on a german radio station at Gleiwitz was reveiled as an act staged by german troops. Who else started the war, then?

The reason that liberals may appear to be ignoring the evils of communism may be this:

1. Everybody agrees Hitler was a bad fascist dude.

2. When I meet fascists today, they are generally advocating racism, violence, homophobia and lots of other things that they *can* and *do* put into practice in their lives to make the lives of lots of others very very unpleasant to say the least.

3. Everybody agrees Stalin was a bad communist dude.

4. When I meet communists today, they are generally advocating nationalisation, stopping wars, increasing spending on health and education and other similar things that they have *no power* to put into practice and which anyway would adversely affect the lives of very few people and then in a very small way.

In short, the fact that Stalin was a bastard doesn't make me hate people who like nationalisation. The fact that Hitler was a bastard doesn't make me hate racists. I just *do* hate racists.

So you value the values (hehe) of communism. I hate the values of communism, at least those that affect personal monetary incentives and personal control of property and money.

I also strongly dislike racists (and racism)... communist, fascist, or otherwise.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/racial_mixing.htm
An extensive history of the collapse of empires from race mixing
Stormfront? And you expect me to take that seriously? Come on. Its ok to be biased, but please dont try to make me believe that bs. On the other hand, if racial mixing must lead to the downfall of civilizations, care to provide me with evidence why the examples to the contrary i provided are not relevant?

I never thought the Second world war was fought to end Hitler's rule and government, but rather, like all wars, it was fought to make money....

Let's face it, the big corporations of the day made a killing....

If Hitler died before WWII started, the Germans would have probably placed several statues by now revering him as a saint....

:headbang: alright I've been lurking awhile and here are my $0.02

I am a FORMER white supremist, here were my driving factors. Power, respect, fear, acceptance, and pride in myself (as odd as that sounds). I won't go into the things that I did over 6 years or the people that got hurt (both physically and emotionally), respect this and please don't ask. Did I hate people because of their race Yes. Was it totally misguided YES and I reliazed that 4 years ago. Why are the groups running scared or on empty... The simple fact is they are NOT believe it or not they are just getting more organized as a matter of fact, neo-nazis in Russia are numbering in the 100,000 mark now. My personal driving forces when I was in was control and power. What are the best ways to garner control and power?? Fear and intimidation.

Now I want to set the record straight on a number a few things:

6 million WERE killed by the Nazis, Stalin killed over twice that amount

Hitler needed a scapegoat to get into power and that scapegoat was the successful minority at the time (Jews)

Nazis were racist and anti-homosexual but the great debate does still rage on if Hitler was a gay or not

You cannot judge a person based on their race or religion

Like I said thats my $0.02

You've made me very happy. I guess there's hope for everyone. It's great to hear from someone with inside information. Cool.

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Today the white population of this planet is a mere 15% and declining. We do not necessarily stand for the extermination of various ethnic groups, we stand for a return to single race cultures. All Asians should be in Asia, all Africans in Africa, all Latinos in South America and all whites in white countries, such as North America, Europe or Australasia. We must all preserve our independent cultures, whites for whites and blacks for blacks. Anyone
Damo
Founder, White Aryan Resistance
OUR RACE IS OUR NATION

explain how north america , esp. the us, is a white country? caucasians were not the first natives here. yes, they settled it, but it is not their indigenious country

I don't. Hitler was much less evil than what people give him credit for. His policy of National Socialism accomplished the following:

[list]
Brought emancipation and equality to women
It's military, outnumbered and outgunned, though motived by a powerful new philosphy, became an almost invincible force.
Hitler gave the German people joy of being alive and a pride in simply being a German, instead of the humiliated broken people he had inherited.
Hitler revived Germany's economy and put millions back to work
Very affordable housing
Universal health care along with a right of patients to choose their own doctor and hospital
Free College education for all qualified applicants



Evil people can still accomplish a lot. Hitler wasn't too evil to Germans, most people would agree that he helped the German economy and the German people. The reason most people think of Hitler as evil is his little obsession with genocide which you seem not to mention anywhere in your defence of him.

explain how north america , esp. the us, is a white country? caucasians were not the first natives here. yes, they settled it, but it is not their indigenious country

Same with Australasia.

good grief now your argueing with a neo nazi???
lol
Not arguing...trying to understand what they really want...we focus so much on the racism that we forget that something besides hatred has attracted people to this way of thinking (hopefully). I want to know what their ideal world would look like. I'm trying to overcome my own bigotry against racists in order to learn not what they think about race, but how they think the world should be organised according to their principles.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/racial_mixing.htm
An extensive history of the collapse of empires from race mixing
this makes me think you cut and pasted your last post before this one, and if that is the case, you can leave the discussion. no weak minds or copycats here, please.

Today the white population of this planet is a mere 15% and declining. We do not necessarily stand for the extermination of various ethnic groups, we stand for a return to single race cultures. All Asians should be in Asia, all Africans in Africa, all Latinos in South America and all whites in white countries, such as North America, Europe or Australasia. We must all preserve our independent cultures, whites for whites and blacks for blacks. Anyone who opposes that shall be simply removed, violently or not, when the world wide white revolution takes place.

I've asked this of someone else, but I'll ask it of you now.

1) What happens to mixed race people, which race will they live with?

2) Do single race cultures mean a single language and culture within a race? For example, Asians include those who speak Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Tagalog etc etc etc...(and perhaps aboriginal groups too? I'm not sure what race you classify us as). Which language should this group choose to speak, or does that not matter?

3)Why do you want North America for Whites? You settled it, but you have also spread all over the globe. What in particular attracts you to North America and not to other places?

I'll start with these questions, and wait for your reply.

Stormfront? And you expect me to take that seriously? Come on. Its ok to be biased, but please dont try to make me believe that bs. On the other hand, if racial mixing must lead to the downfall of civilizations, care to provide me with evidence why the examples to the contrary i provided are not relevant?

I could give you all the evidence in the world, but you'd refuse to believe it, or even LOOK at it, saying it's "biased." What's the point?

Let's just leave the discussions of race and all the Hitler talk out of it please. Can we have someone who truly believes in white supremacy PLEASE, PLEASE give us an idea of the big picture they are striving towards? So far, we have gotten to separate the races...but surely you've thought it through more than that? Details please, and I for one promise not to flame...I just want to know what you WANT!

I could give you all the evidence in the world, but you'd refuse to believe it, or even LOOK at it, saying it's "biased." What's the point?
Listen, I'm going to take you at your word here. I've posted some questions above....could you answer them?

NOTE: anyone who wants to drop in here and just say that they hate racists, thanks but no thanks. this thread is about gaining a better understanding of white supremacy/white nationalism. i am once again stating this thread is not a place to attack peoples beliefs, and anyone doing so is being reported to moderation. i am also going to consider comments about how non racists feel about racists to be spam, and perhaps flamebait. that is an entirely different subject, so start a thread if you want. this posting was and still is , addressed to followers/believers of nazism and the like. please stay on topic.
those of you with valid, respectful arguments, questions , and comments, thank you.

i also appreciate all posting by white supremacists on this thread. many of you are members of "whites only" regoins. maybe you will consider posting a message on the region board asking others to come and comment.

Nicely said.

Right, because the modern-day USA is certainly one of the most motivated, well-educated, physically fit, mentally strong civilizations in all of human history, where races from all over the world work together and thrive in such a bright and positive atmosphere. :rolleyes:
so then explain why most white nationalists want this country for themselves. and is your nation name french?

some neo-nazi's merely believe a country full of the same race is superior to a mixed one. this involves no racism or killing, it merely involves people of a different race having their own country. would this solve anything? i have no idea at all, since their are no main economic powers with a society like this under moderate rule.

on a side note it must also said that when races mix, it eventually gets to the stage where a country falls apart.

i'd just like to state that i'm not a neo-nazi, but the side-note is important and needs to be dealed with, politicans these days don't do enough to *culutrally convert* immigrants.

on a side note it must also said that when races mix, it eventually gets to the stage where a country falls apart.



Name one country that has fallen apart due to mixed races.

I'm not getting enough action in the devil's advocate thread. Can I argue for the white supremacists, white nationalists, neo-nazi's, etc? I think I can articulate their views rather well because I have researched their ideas enough to understand their arguments beyond racism and hatred. If either side (the white supremacists or the thread starters) disagrees with this then I won't do it. However, I will only try to be a catalyst to further debate by not making any straw-man arguments nor responding negatively to rants and trolls.

the byzantine empire, tell me... *who many greeks are their in turkey today*.... that's right not a lot!

I'm not getting enough action in the devil's advocate thread. Can I argue for the white supremacists, white nationalists, neo-nazi's, etc? I think I can articulate their views rather well because I have researched their ideas enough to understand their arguments beyond racism and hatred. If either side (the white supremacists or the thread starters) disagrees with this then I won't do it. However, I will only try to be a catalyst to further debate by not making any straw-man arguments nor responding negatively to rants and trolls.
hey, you can say what you want, as long as it follows the rules. if any white supremacist disagrees with what you say, i think they will let you know. i hope. i have a feeling many of them are reading the thread and not commenting, though i could be wrong.

so then explain why most white nationalists want this country for themselves. and is your nation name french?

Yeah it's french.. I tried many other names but they were all taken..

I'm not a white supremacist, but whoever fought for this land can stay here. The US was founded by whites. The ones that should be leaving are the races that had nothing to do with the creation of our country and are taking advantage of what we have to offer. We probably wouldn't get the WHOLE country, since the blacks have made a contribution to early America whether they wanted to or not, but this isn't up to me to decide. I just don't see what makes other races less capable of creating thier own nations and surviving on their own. All races, white, black, and asian, would fare better in thier own nations in my opinion.

i know this is another *obscure* example, but i'm more of a history buff than a modern day buff. you'd have to ask someone else for modern examples. the breaking away of timor would be a modern day example however. another historic example would be most of the western roman empire, england under roman control too.

on a side note it must also said that when races mix, it eventually gets to the stage where a country falls apart.


wait. i have to disagree. race mixing has settled many countries, including the us. when people are polarized is where there have been problems. south africa, the israeli conflict, and bosnia, to name a few current examples. even east and west germany wanted to be reunited.

Yeah it's french.. I tried many other names but they were all taken..

I'm not a white supremacist, but whoever fought for this land can stay here. The US was founded by whites. The ones that should be leaving are the races that had nothing to do with the creation of our country and are taking advantage of what we have to offer. We probably wouldn't get the WHOLE country, since the blacks have made a contribution to early America whether they wanted to or not, but this isn't up to me to decide. I just don't see what makes other races less capable of creating thier own nations and surviving on their own. All races, white, black, and asian, would fare better in thier own nations in my opinion.
so you feel we should have turf wars for respective countries? doesnt sound very practical, as everyone would die.

east and west germany was primarily german people, just because one country was under a communist(puppet) government and one was under a democratic(puppet) government it doesn't mean they seized being german people. did you also know that austria wished to join back with germany also? did you know that most of the germans of danzig were forced away when the city was given to the polish?

and countries don't nesarsarily need to be polarised. they can both be working towards a common goal, but something act's as a catalyst and boom!

lastly like i have already stated *politicains don't do enough to culturally convert people*. i do believe socailly mixed countries can work. all i'm saying is letting people just come in, crossing your fingers and hoping for the best... that doesn't work.

and about the *us*. if the indians had a reliable economy and could make their own guns etc. do you really think the us would be around today?do you think if they were *absorbed, instead of being killed off with new world deseases, or massacred, do you really think the us would have been so stable then. another example i ask you to look at is hawaii, hawaii was taken over by american merchenaries, the constitution was changed to only allow rich land owners the vote (americans) and then they were asked to vote about joining america. bottom line is, if your powerful enough in the first place, your numerically superior, you can effectively *choke* cultures into submission.

personally i don't think the world should go that fair to convert people.

Ah, but this is wrong. The blacks invented all these things while living in our country with Aryan education. Give us examples of things they invented before interacting with us. What have they done all on their own?
i guess then any Aryan scientist with an air conditioned lab doesn't get to consider his discoveries Aryan, right? since he's only inventing things with the help of those who came before, and with the comforts provided him by non-Aryans?

and, at any rate, that wasn't my point. if you claim that white minds are clearly superior then you will have no need for the inventions of inferior, minority minds.

I could give you all the evidence in the world, but you'd refuse to believe it, or even LOOK at it, saying it's "biased." What's the point?
A reputable source or two would do, a historian interested in stating facts and not proving an extremist viewpoint for example. Its like i dont ask Osama bin Ladin for a balanced view on the US, get my point? So please dont pout, try arguing.

I've asked this of someone else, but I'll ask it of you now.

1) What happens to mixed race people, which race will they live with?

This is an excerpt from http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr9.htm :

EACH SOCIETY UNIQUE TO EACH PEOPLE

Herein lies the key to understanding the rise and fall of all civilizations, no matter where they are or who they are. In any given territory, the people making up the society in that territory create a culture which is unique to themselves. A society or civilization is only a reflection of the population of that particular territory. For example: the Chinese civilization is a product of the Chinese people, and is a reflection of the makeup of the population living in China. The Chinese civilization is unique to the Chinese people, they made it and it reflects their values and norms.

As the Chinese people made the Chinese civilization, it logically follows that the Chinese culture would disappear if the Chinese people were to disappear.

Presently the overwhelming majority of Chinese people live in China, creating the Chinese civilization in that land. If however Australian Aborigines had to immigrate into China in their millions, and the Chinese population had to dramatically reduce in numbers, then in a few years the character of Chinese civilization would change - to that reflecting the new inhabitants of that territory.

In other words, the society or civilization of that territory would then reflect the fact that the majority of inhabitants were now Aborigines rather than Chinese people. If China had to fill up with Aborigines, this would mean the end of Chinese civilization. Aborigines would create a new civilization which would reflect themselves, and not that of the Chinese people.

That this should happen is actually perfectly logical. It is has nothing to do with which culture is more advanced, or any notions of superiority or inferiority - merely a reflection of the fact that a civilization is a product of the nature of the people making up the population in the territory.

In short, it is in the best interests of any race/culture that they do not mix, so that they may preserve their own cultures, along with thier own norms and values. Once they mix, this becomes extremely jeopardized, especially if all of these different groups are under one government which will be forced to compromise the uniqueness of each group. Everybody ends up a loser.

2) Do single race cultures mean a single language and culture within a race? For example, Asians include those who speak Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Tagalog etc etc etc...(and perhaps aboriginal groups too? I'm not sure what race you classify us as). Which language should this group choose to speak, or does that not matter?

That's a good question. This would be something that they would have to work amongst themselves. Maybe they would all learn each other's languages, or set an official Asian language.

3)Why do you want North America for Whites? You settled it, but you have also spread all over the globe. What in particular attracts you to North America and not to other places?

I answered this in a previous post.

so you feel we should have turf wars for respective countries? doesnt sound very practical, as everyone would die.

LOL no... I personally haven't quite figured out the exact "means" by which it would be done, since I have no way of implementing them.

east and west germany was primarily german people, just because one country was under a communist(puppet) government and one was under a democratic(puppet) government it doesn't mean they seized being german people. did you also know that austria wished to join back with germany also? did you know that most of the germans of danzig were forced away when the city was given to the polish?

and countries don't nesarsarily need to be polarised. they can both be working towards a common goal, but something act's as a catalyst and boom!

lastly like i have already stated *politicains don't do enough to culturally convert people*. i do believe socailly mixed countries can work. all i'm saying is letting people just come in, crossing your fingers and hoping for the best... that doesn't work.

and about the *us*. if the indians had a reliable economy and could make their own guns etc. do you really think the us would be around today?do you think if they were *absorbed, instead of being killed off with new world deseases, or massacred, do you really think the us would have been so stable then. another example i ask you to look at is hawaii, hawaii was taken over by american merchenaries, the constitution was changed to only allow rich land owners the vote (americans) and then they were asked to vote about joining america. bottom line is, if your powerful enough in the first place, your numerically superior, you can effectively *choke* cultures into submission.

personally i don't think the world should go that fair to convert people.
well, the deal with germany, was about government, but i used it to illustrate that people dont like to separate. not all the citizens of communist germany wanted to be democratic, either. they just hated being separate.
as for the indian economy, they didnt want one. the type of society that they lived in was one that they wanted. just because they were not going crazy inventing things, does not mean they didn't do well for themselves. they were happy the way it was. the thing that gets me about white supremacy ideas ( i know you say you arent one) is that they want things to go back to the way that they were ( separate nations, etc) (BEFORE they had many technological advances) yet consistently harp on civilazations that remained primitive. i just don't get that. its the same sides of the coin.

La Roche. stop with the storm front links, please.

This is an excerpt from http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr9.htm :



In short, it is in the best interests of any race/culture that they do not mix, so that they may preserve their own cultures, along with thier own norms and values. Once they mix, this becomes extremely jeopardized, especially if all of these different groups are under one government which will be forced to compromise the uniqueness of each group. Everybody ends up a loser.


This doesn't deal with the fact that until the races have been separated for some time, mixed race people (like me) would continue to exist. Where would we go? I'm half native, half Irish...would I stay in Canada or go to Ireland?

A reputable source or two would do, a historian interested in stating facts and not proving an extremist viewpoint for example. Its like i dont ask Osama bin Ladin for a balanced view on the US, get my point? So please dont pout, try arguing.

They make good points, just like Osama makes a good point that he hates the US for their unconditional support of Israel (not that this justifies his supposed actions of killing innocent people). You need to look at both sides when you do your research. Just omitting something because it's "extremist" is foolish.

They make good points, just like Osama makes a good point that he hates the US for their unconditional support of Israel (not that this justifies his supposed actions of killing innocent people). You need to look at both sides when you do your research. Just omitting something because it's "extremist" is foolish.
In any case LaRoche, please don't cut and paste from anywhere...if you believe something, put it in your own words. It reads better, and doesn't distance you from the points you're making.

In any case LaRoche, please don't cut and paste from anywhere...if you believe something, put it in your own words. It reads better, and doesn't distance you from the points you're making.
i tged you back

Occidio, i don't understand how you could suggest i'm a white extremist. one of my examples included the byzantines, and believe me! they certainly weren't all the same colour. my point with america is, if you have a huge advantage over people, you can force them. this isn't an example of mixed cultures/races working. it's an example of oppression, also most of the people who moved over to america were european and had the same religion. the same with the whole black/white thing with america too, can this be classed as mixed societies working? even though slavery was abolished they still remained as a slave *caste*. even now they get treated discrimatorily in the united states, lower wages etc. i don't think *white* people are superior in any way. i merely saying that some people believe societies with single races are superior. i.e a society with just indian hindu's is superior to a western coutry of white christains/jews. it's not racism or white extremism, but always gets labeled as.

Occidio, i don't understand how you could suggest i'm a white extremist. one of my examples included the byzantines, and believe me! they certainly weren't all the same colour. my point with america is, if you have a huge advantage over people, you can force them. this isn't an example of mixed cultures/races working. it's an example of oppression, also most of the people who moved over to america were european and had the same religion. the same with the whole black/white thing with america too, can this be classed as mixed societies working? even though slavery was abolished they still remained as a slave *caste*. even now they get treated discrimatorily in the united states, lower wages etc. i don't think *white* people are superior in any way. i merely saying that some people believe societies with single races are superior. i.e a society with just indian hindu's is superior to a western coutry of white christains/jews. it's not racism or white extremism, but always gets labeled as.
if you think i said that,i apologize. i am just asking questions. you def. made it clear now.

"Also, fascism is denounced as some extreme right wing ideology (it's not extreme right at all, it has elements of socialism, liberalism and conservatism)" Posted by Hitlerreich


I agree totally! I am a member of the American Fascist Party and we do NOT believe in nor do we condone any acts of racism or violence. Even back in WWII Fascism and National Socialism where not the same! Mussolini simply allied with the likes of Hitler. Thats all! Nothing more! Fascism is a great mix of both political spectrums, which is why it was such a success in Italy. Until Mussolini screwed up and then Communist propganda got the message spread the Fascism was evil. Just because the commies knew it was a better form of government then there own!

"Also, fascism is denounced as some extreme right wing ideology (it's not extreme right at all, it has elements of socialism, liberalism and conservatism)" Posted by Hitlerreich


I agree totally! I am a member of the American Fascist Party and we do NOT believe in nor do we condone any acts of racism or violence. Even back in WWII Fascism and National Socialism where not the same! Mussolini simply allied with the likes of Hitler. Thats all! Nothing more! Fascism is a great mix of both political spectrums, which is why it was such a success in Italy. Until Mussolini screwed up and then Communist propganda got the message spread the Fascism was evil. Just because the commies knew it was a better form of government then there own!
i tged you.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=401886

this is the new thread.

Counter-argument against the idea that different races do not exist:
[IC: I actually believe that different races exist, although the stereotypes here are way too general, imo.]
The theory that races differ in abilities according to genetics is well supported by the evidence. Arthur Jensen's argument that differences in mental capacity and testosterone/estrogen levels (inversely related) result from race groups being isolated in different climates. Colder climates supposedly produce a more intelligent, whereas warmer climates produce races with higher levels of estrogen and testosterone.

This occurs because those in colder climates have to plan more carefully when searching for food and preparing for winter. Those with greater mental capacity for performing these actions soon dominated these races. However, colder climates cause more early deaths, so that races isolated in these climates do not have to compete with one another as much (because the populations aren't as large) and so higher levels of sex hormones (which cause a person to produce more offspring) are less advantageous or even disadvantageous.

Populations in warmer climates do not have the same amount of pressure to gather food and prepare for winter, so they did not evolve as quickly in mental capacity as those in colder climates. However, these populations did evolve more quickly in their levels of sex hormones because the competition among members to produce more offspring was greater.

These two tenants of Arthur Jensen's theory make many predictions that evidence supports. Africans dominate in sports (because of their increased testosterone), whereas Asians (who are descended from the natives of Siberia) dominate invention. As someone has already mentioned, the Chinese (and not the Europeans) have invented more than any other race. The Europeans fall between the Asians and Africans in both athletic and mental ability.

The worth of Jensen's model is proved even more by the characteristics of sub-races. Eastern Europeans dominate chess. This dominance reflects the fact that they are both highly competitive (unlike the Asians), and highly intelligent (unlike the Africans). They even have more of a stress on intelligence (because of some intermingling with Asians) than most Europeans, and Jensn's model predicts that this type of combination (some competitiveness plus even more intelligence) would be best for a game like chess.

Also, the Japenese and Eastern Asians who have been isolated in a warm climate after they left Siberia, are more war-proned than the Chinese, as the model predicts. In Africa, the more Northern Black sub-races are the most intelligent, followed by the South Africans. Again, Jensen's model predicts this because resources are more scarce in the area around the Sahara Desert and in the temporate south than they are in the forests or plains of Central Africa.

Other examples (the peaceful and cooperative Eskimos, the City building Incas) further enforce the validity of this theory. However, the most basic argument against it is that any one race has almost the same gene pool as any other race. Although this is true, the prevalence of genes differs among the different races. So although all races have fools and geniuses, crippleds and athletes, Africa has more fools and athletes, Asia has more crippleds and geniuses, and Europe has some of all four of these.

first off, i am a true free speech supporter, even when what is being said is hateful,inflammatory or just plain unpopular.
i would also like to say,i understand the difference between wite supremacy, white power, white nationalism, aryan prison gangs, and the other multitude of groups. if you feel the need to explain yourself , feel free though
i would like to know, why are some (and i said SOME) groups running scared, and on empty? why do you/they feel the need to state your beliefs and pride on a platform of fear? what exactly do you plan do to further your agenda? why are the lower rung white power groups content with just attacking a minority (seven against one) and calling that type of cowardly violence progress? why hasnt your movement gained steam? and, for the groups that are reverent to adolf hitler.... why didnt he/they / you solve the "jewish problem"? why couldnt you?

Now, I am not a racist to the extent of supremacists, nationalists, aryan nationalists, etc. Like I noticed in the conversation that ensued after this post, everyone has racist thoughts, ideas, beliefs. I acknowledge and agree with this fact. But to answer your questions as I see it...
I do not know the difference between the multitude of groups other than the amount that they are in the news. I live in souther Idaho and have had to live most of my life being ashamed that if you ask someone about my state they say "Aren't those Aryan Nation wacko's based up north there?"
Perhaps the reason that the groups that are running scared and on empty are doing just that is the fact that the group is known for some level of racism and they feel that they must continue it. And the fact that they dont quite have the visionaries of Hitler's level, they have to resort to lesser crimes of racial prejudice.
I personally believe that the reason that all attempts at erradicating the jewish populace of the world is simply the fact that eliminating a single group such as that requires too much manpower for one group of racists or anti-sematics to accomplish.

Now for a couple of my opinions about what I have read in the conversation.
1) In my opinion Communism is not a bad thing, on paper. It is when it is left to the machinations of mankind that it fails.
2) I also believe that Hitler was a great man, now I know that does not make up for what he did, nor do I forgive him, but you have to have at least some degree of respect for a man such as him. If he had not been fighting a war on two fronts (eliminating the jews and the european theatre of WWII) and had instead focused on one, he would have accomplished his goal.
3) I personally believe that Affirmative Action is a crock of shit. Forcing an employer to hire based on racial population not on qualifications results in a lack of skilled workers. It may sound racist but its not. If I own a business and the most qualified individual is a white male, so be it, but if it is say a black woman, again, so be it.
4) Recently I attended a business conference. One of the speakers was a very prominent black doctor. The first thing he said to the audience was "I am black, political correctness is crap, you are who you are." I felt that that was very profound.


Namarie Melanoamin

I dispute claims that all people are racist in some extent. As a person whose ethnic heritage covers a wide spectrum of the percieved races, any such ideas on my part would be ludicrous. Am I to believe part of myself is superior to another? I'm not alone in this idea and our ranks are growing.

I'd also like to rebut the claim of various researchers who claim the physical differences based upon area of origin for some ethnicities.

They ignore one crucial fact. The generational rebound factor.

Simply put many species appear different in different climes. A strange phenomena occurs though when you transplant them. Even keeping the transplanted speciman seperate from the natives, eventually they revert to the form of the native. In some plants this occurs in a single generation. In others it takes some time.

I believe this is the trait that is confused in humans as a "difference" between 'races'. Essentially they are the same, environmental factors have caused some changes, but these are transient changes that are not part of the rigid genetic structure but part of the more elastic portion of our makeup.

I think we are all racists to one degree or another. If you take two people of different races they are obviously different in physical and cultural ways. People who say they are "colorblind" are just plain idiots that should be hit by satelite debris. The controversy, IMO, is when somebody says one race is greater than another.

Why should we NOT be proud of who we are?

Im proud to be white. But I dont look down on other races or see them as inferior. And he does have another point. Say I wanted to start the NAAWASPM (Nat'l Assoc. for the Advancement of White Anglo-Saxon Protestants Males). Everybody would be calling me a bigot. Any other group of individuals would be ok, WHY????


I think everyone is prejudice to a degree or another. My thoughts on racism and prejudices might differ from yours. In my thinking.. a racist is someone who dislikes All in that race no matter what. Prejudice to me is being stereotypical of whoever/whatever from prior experiences (or, for some letting others opinions form their own) forming a somewhat pre judgement.

About those people saying they are "colorblind".. I think they are either unaware of their prejudices or are being untruthful. Unless they were born and lived somewhere deserted away from society and other peoples, they are going to naturally have prejudices.

I also think it midly ironic that people use the term "colorblind" to represent people who are not racist. Isn't colorblind, by looking at the two words it is made up of, simply that? Blind to color, therefore they see everything in black and white and shades of grey. I think you can see where that one is leading. And if you go by the dictionary defintion...Partially or totally unable to distinguish certain colors, it seems that you simply do not notice some races as it applies to this topic. However, the dictionary also lists under colorblind, Not subject to racial prejudices. So that in turn returns us to the beginning of my comment. You make your decision, I am just gonna take the time to say, that person is not prejudiced. Besides, it sounds more prestigous.