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Let us just say their is a massive four way battle in space between the five most popular and powerful sci-fi shows/movies.

In one corner we have Star Wars, the Empire and Rebels have combined forces and are working together on this to bring about victory.

Star Trek. Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, Borg, The Federation, etc all cooperating as one cohesive group to achieve victory.

Babylon 5. I do not know anything about this show.

Battlestar Galactica. Cylons and Humans working together, what more could you ask for?

Stargate SG-1. Goa' uld, Tokra, Jafah, Humans and Asgard, these guys definetly have the coolest voice changes, like going through pubery in a matter of seconds.

Now, I realize that Star Trek and Star Wars would have a huge advantage here by numbers, so just assume that they have their best ships, but even up the numbers, bring all those involved down to an even plane. Actually, let's throw Stargate SG-1 in there also.

Star Wars, hands down.

Can you say "Super Star Destroyer"? :p

Answer?

You will be assimilated.

Since (obviously) if the conditions you posit exist, the entire ST universe would have been Borgified - if for no other reason than tactical advantage.

Assimilate them one at a time Each I will - soon the dark side will no more be.

:cool:

It's necessary for this to happen in every thread of this ilk, so I'll get it out of the way.

The Culture. They'd win.


As for a serious answer, it's gotta be the SW universe, simply because its ships are the coolest. ISDs... don't come any better than that. And I don't imagine it'd have much difficulty swatting any ship I've seen the other SF universes use.

Star Wars....Now i'd like to see that Cpt. Kirk vs Darth Vader....who wins?!?!? WHO WINS!?!?!

Since most supporters of Star Wars use the books as their authority, I will have to say Star Trek. Why? The Genesis Wave--similar to a Genesis Device, but wider than a solar system and faster than light. It transforms everything it encounters into a place suitable for pyschic moss creatures--which also are formed by the wave. Anything, even a SSD, would be converted...

Vorlons and Shadows and Earth destroyers with those funny spinning gravity making middle sections. Borg!? bah!

Star Wars....Now i'd like to see that Cpt. Kirk vs Darth Vader....who wins?!?!? WHO WINS!?!?!

In terms of actual capability, Vader, every time.
But Kirks got kirk-fu, which automatically wins. it's cheating, and I don't like it one bit, but it's the LAW.

Star Trek because they're the only ones who are really unified and haven't been involved in either a civil war (like Star Wars) or had their asses kicked by robots repeatedly (Battlestar). They have more than one ship (SG1) and are not already drained by war (B5).

Depends on which species in Stargate. The Ancients could whomp on anyone, but they choose not to. They made a weapon that destroys all life in the universe, obvious winners.

Star Wars....Now i'd like to see that Cpt. Kirk vs Darth Vader....who wins?!?!? WHO WINS!?!?!

In Kirk voice: "Captain's Log...Stardate [number]...We're...so totally...screwed." *chokes because of DV's crazy force powers.

no way dude...imagine the Replicators just replicating all over the SSD!!! POWNZORED!!!!!!!!!

anyways, Stargate wins.

Can I throw Gundam in as a sixth-party?

Dune.

Yes, I know it's not an option.

:)

no way dude...imagine the Replicators just replicating all over the SSD!!! POWNZORED!!!!!!!!!

anyways, Stargate wins.

Ancients would destroy the replicators.

andramada kicks all your asses 3 words point singularity wepons in other words black hole cannons

I don't know who would win, but I know that Battlestar Gallactica and Babylon 5 both don't stand a chance. Refugee sci-fi cultures that barely have a chance of surviving in their own reality wouldn't last long invading vast universe or galaxy spanning operatic cultures.

So far, though, I have to say the new Battlestar Gallactica (Starbuck's substandard acting aside-it wouldn't seem so bad if there wheren't so many really good actors around) is the best sci-fi series I've watched. (read that sentence carefully before you jump up and down and throw poop at me. Not saying you can't disagree, just...) Just fantastic.

Does Star Trek include the Q? And all of those other minor gods?

Star Wars, hands down. The Suncrusher? Three Death Stars? and the fricking Centerpoint Station? All the others are so screwed. Heck, lets even throw in Palpentines personal SSD, and the world devestators. The trekkies would last the longest, but even they would fall to the awesome might of Star Wars.


Besides, Thrawn would kill them all by simply studing their cultres.

My own world has an omnipotent being and therefore could kick all these published world's asses.

Since that will never be an option, I have to go with Star Wars. All the settings have some ultimate device, but if you take that away SW still has the most firepower.

Newtypes > Jedi
Mobile Suits are designed to be more powerful than a starfighter

Q.E.D. Gundam!

If Dune was included, It would wipe the floor with your arses. Why?

Here's a list:

The Spice Melange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melange)
The Spacing Guild (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacing_Guild)
Mentat's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentat)
The Bene Gesserit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Gesserit)
The Kwisatz Haderach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwisatz_Haderach)
The Landsraad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsraad)
Leto Atreides II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leto_Atreides_II)
The Fremen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremen)
The Sardaukar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardaukar)
House Corrino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Corrino)
House Atreides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Atreides)
House Harkonnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Harkonnen)
Shai-Hulud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shai-Hulud)

And, of course,

Arrakis(Dune) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrakis)

This is just the surface, however. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_universe) is where you can learn more.

Star Trek all the way. Can you say SHEILDS?! I have never seen anything even remotely looking like an energy shield in Star Wars or Battle Star.

But of course, Star Trek doesn't utilise attack fighters, whereas Star Wars and Galactica depend on 'em. So let's say a small ship, such as a Sabre Class, is under attack by a large group of X-wings and TIE fighters. It wouldn't stand a chance without some help. And even then it could be impossible to get a lock on a TIE fighter.

Suddenly my choice doesn't seem so good... Can we make it to where the Star Wars guys can't use fighters? Then I'm pretty sure Star Trek would win.
But ya know, no one's said what era of Star Trek we're talking about. Hmm...

If Dune was included, It would wipe the floor with your arses. Why?

Here's a list:

The Spice Melange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melange)
The Spacing Guild (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacing_Guild)
Mentat's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentat)
The Bene Gesserit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Gesserit)
The Kwisatz Haderach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwisatz_Haderach)
The Landsraad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsraad)
Leto Atreides II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leto_Atreides_II)
The Fremen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremen)
The Sardaukar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardaukar)
House Corrino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Corrino)
House Atreides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Atreides)
House Harkonnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Harkonnen)
Shai-Hulud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shai-Hulud)

And, of course,

Arrakis(Dune) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrakis)

This is just the surface, however. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_universe) is where you can learn more.


Dune hands down, especially if they started in peace - just get all the enemy leaders on Melange, then withdraw it. End of game.

I do believe they were talking about a space battle.

Well, I just have to throw this in. If we were gonna use real world physics* then Star Wars would be eliminated on the spot with Star Trek on the verge of elimination, Stargate would be probably be cut also (Come on, the X-303 Prometheus going from ground level to outerspace in only 30 seconds? Must be automated, not human could survive that acceleration so close to a planet.) I have Babylon 5, don't know why, I just can't stand it so I can not say whether they would make he cut. And then we come to Battlestar Galactica, I like Star Wars, I used to watch a lot of Star Trek, but I love the new Battlestar Galactica series, near as I can tell the physics* are the most realistic of all the sci-fi options listed in this poll. (A light saber is physically* impossible)

*-According to known physics.

(A light saber is physically* impossible)

*-According to known physics.

Depends if you make it according to SW canon or not. Assuming really, really small and strong electromagnets + a really amazing power source, a contained-plasma weapon resembling a lightsaber is possible...

In a space battle...
SG1 loses hands down, theyre ships simply arent designed for ship-to-ship combat.
B5 might have a chance, but they rely too much on fighters, IMO. Battlestars are pretty weak by themselves.
Star Trek, small dinky ships. Im not going to count the Borg, because they would be pretty much an automatic win, since five seconds into the battle they adapt to everybodies weapons and go on an assimilation spree.
B5, Im with you, know nothing about it.

Star Wars, on the other hand, has Ewoks. Your through.
Seriosly though, they have the best troops (Assuming somebody decided to give the Stormtroopers some basic marksmanship skills), the best ships for space-combat, and the Force. Pretty good fighters as well.

Star Trek all the way. Can you say SHEILDS?! I have never seen anything even remotely looking like an energy shield in Star Wars or Battle Star.
Sorry, but those spherical structures above the bridge on Star Destroyers are shield generators, and if you read up, you'll see numerous mentions of shields in the novels and sourcebooks. In Battlestar Galactica (original series), IIRC, they once used their "Laser" to protect a planet from its own ICBMs. Pretty effective shielding if you ask me. Try again.



Really, this is too open and subjective to really be argued effectively, so there can't really be a clear winner. Instead, it becomes primarily a popularity contest. That said, I can think of dozens of other solid contenders many of us should be familiar with (and even more obscure ones).

And yes, if it were used, Dune would own all. Lets face it, no one has come up with anything that can match them. Of course, Dune is all about land battles, and they don't need to make space combat look cool, so they can afford that kind of thing.

John Crighton (of 'Farscape') or any of the 'ancients' use wormhole weapons, altering the other universes to the point where they can be quickly conquered or simply destroying them through explosion, implosion or anywhere in between. Ha! :D

In a space battle...
SG1 loses hands down, theyre ships simply arent designed for ship-to-ship combat.
B5 might have a chance, but they rely too much on fighters, IMO. Battlestars are pretty weak by themselves.
Star Trek, small dinky ships. Im not going to count the Borg, because they would be pretty much an automatic win, since five seconds into the battle they adapt to everybodies weapons and go on an assimilation spree.
B5, Im with you, know nothing about it.

Star Wars, on the other hand, has Ewoks. Your through.
Seriosly though, they have the best troops (Assuming somebody decided to give the Stormtroopers some basic marksmanship skills), the best ships for space-combat, and the Force. Pretty good fighters as well.

I've never understood why, in these arguments, it's valid to eliminate the Borg from consideration, but then act as though the Force is perfectly fair and balanced.

John Crighton (of 'Farscape') or any of the 'ancients' use wormhole weapons, altering the other universes to the point where they can be quickly conquered or simply destroying them through explosion, implosion or anywhere in between. Ha! :D

That wormhole weapon was absolutely sickening, wasn't it?

Sorry, but those spherical structures above the bridge on Star Destroyers are shield generators, and if you read up, you'll see numerous mentions of shields in the novels and sourcebooks. In Battlestar Galactica (original series), IIRC, they once used their "Laser" to protect a planet from its own ICBMs. Pretty effective shielding if you ask me. Try again.






Everyone's a critic.

No puny starfighter can outdo a Mobile Suit

I've never understood why, in these arguments, it's valid to eliminate the Borg from consideration, but then act as though the Force is perfectly fair and balanced.
Because %90 of the time the Force is used within twenty feet of an indivdual to, for example, throw a large metal object at somebody, as opposed to simply rendering the individual nearly invulnerable.

Because %90 of the time the Force is used within twenty feet of an indivdual to, for example, throw a large metal object at somebody, as opposed to simply rendering the individual nearly invulnerable.


Ever heard of Battle Meditation?

No puny starfighter can outdo a Mobile Suit

I'd like to see the stats on one of those things if you keep bragging about them. A Mobile Suit can outdo a Gundam starfighter, maybe... but what about a Kinsong Aerospace special? Or an X-Wing? Or a Starfury?

Ever heard of Klingons? :)
If Klingons and Vulcans/Romulans worked together...well, they would be quite a match for just about anybody.

Star Trek all the way. Can you say SHEILDS?! I have never seen anything even remotely looking like an energy shield in Star Wars or Battle Star.

But of course, Star Trek doesn't utilise attack fighters, whereas Star Wars and Galactica depend on 'em. So let's say a small ship, such as a Sabre Class, is under attack by a large group of X-wings and TIE fighters. It wouldn't stand a chance without some help. And even then it could be impossible to get a lock on a TIE fighter.

Suddenly my choice doesn't seem so good... Can we make it to where the Star Wars guys can't use fighters? Then I'm pretty sure Star Trek would win.
But ya know, no one's said what era of Star Trek we're talking about. Hmm...

There's a PS2 Star Trek game based on TOS (Sulu and Checkov) where the Excelsior is transported to an alternate universe where they DO have little fighters...

There's a PS2 Star Trek game based on TOS (Sulu and Checkov) where the Excelsior is transported to an alternate universe where they DO have little fighters...


I know, I have it. But remember, that was in an ALTERNATE univers.

I know, I have it. But remember, that was in an ALTERNATE univers.

You see fighters in the big battle scenes during the war with the Dominion in DS9.

I'd like to see the stats on one of those things if you keep bragging about them. A Mobile Suit can outdo a Gundam starfighter, maybe... but what about a Kinsong Aerospace special? Or an X-Wing? Or a Starfury?
Here's some stats I've found of a grunt MS:

Model number: RGM-79C
Code name: GM Kai
Unit type: mass production general purpose mobile suit
Manufacturer: Earth Federation Forces
Operator: Earth Federation Forces
Accommodation: pilot only, in standard cockpit in main body
Dimensions: overall height 18.5 meters; head height 18.0 meters
Weight: empty 41.2 metric tons; max gross 58.8 metric tons
Construction: titanium/ceramic composite on semi-monocoque frame
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1250 kW
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 4 x 12500 kg, 4 x 1870 kg
Performance: maximum thruster acceleration 0.98 G; 180-degree turn time 1.6 seconds
Equipment and design features: sensors, range 6300 meters
Fixed armaments: 2 x 60mm vulcan gun, fire-linked, mounted in head; beam saber, power rated at 0.38 MW, stored in recharge rack in backpack, hand-carried in use
Optional fixed armaments: shield, mounted on either forearm
Optional hand armaments: 90mm machine gun, clip-fed, 20 rounds per clip, 2 spare clips stored in shield; 360mm hyper bazooka, clip-fed, 7 rounds per clip plus 1 round in chamber

The borg already got their asses kicked by Janeway (oh God! Please tell me I'm not doing this!)

But I think that the borg would win. They'd assimilate the replicators from SG-1 and then they'd get a hold of the wraith from SG-A. That's just major suckitude there.

But, as I've said for a long time, put Piccard (with his hatred of the Borg) in charge of a ship like the Defiant (with all the high-tech weaponry) and give him the database from Voyager (what with all it's delta-quadrient knowledge, especially of the Borg), and you'd get some serious borg-ass-kicking. Now add O'Niel's charisma, some ja'afa rebels lead by T'ielk (sp?) and the other guy, Daniel's ascendedness, Carter's creativeness, some help from the Asgard and the Knox and a few other people, then you add in the Atlantis technology (but not the leadership cuz everyone except Shepherd, the doctor, and the cynical dude sucks...oh, except the black guy, he's cool). The you add some good Jedis (including Yoda, cuz he's cool), and you'd have some SERIOUS ass-kicking. To top it off, I break the rules just slightly and give them Ender's leadership, Bean's brain, and the ansible (if you've read them you know...). Can I get a "hell yeah!"?

The "bad guys" wouldn't stand a chance. The borg would be going on with singlemindedness, the Gu'uld would be too busy fighting each other to do anything, the replicators would get their asses assimilated, or possibly make peace with the borg...either is bad, assimilation being the worst. Still...
The wraith would be too far away or definitely get their asses assimilated (assuming that's possible...if it's not, then they'd probably be fighting the borg). So yeah, that's how it goes. :D

You see fighters in the big battle scenes during the war with the Dominion in DS9.


It's so not fair. How come everyone else has seen the Dominion War episodes but me? I wish Spike would have a Dominion War marathon some weekend.

It's so not fair. How come everyone else has seen the Dominion War episodes but me? I wish Spike would have a Dominion War marathon some weekend.

Ah. My friend Pete has all seven seasons, and last year when I worked night shift, my nights off were filled with DS9. There's surprisingly little to do at 3am.

It's so not fair. How come everyone else has seen the Dominion War episodes but me? I wish Spike would have a Dominion War marathon some weekend.

Ah. My friend Pete has all seven seasons, and last year when I worked night shift, my nights off were filled with DS9. There's surprisingly little to do at 3am.

It's so not fair. How come everyone else has seen the Dominion War episodes but me? I wish Spike would have a Dominion War marathon some weekend.

Ah. My friend Pete has all seven seasons, and last year when I worked night shift, my nights off were filled with DS9. There's surprisingly little to do at 3am.

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The Borg would be unable to assimilate the Ancients, as the ancients are pure energy with near godlike powers.

Ah. My friend Pete has all seven seasons, and last year when I worked night shift, my nights off were filled with DS9. There's surprisingly little to do at 3am.


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does star trek get to have the Q continuum or the worm hole aliens or any of the other semi divine races that show up from time to time, cuz that would help them much more than the unpleasant option of mass borg assimiliation.

does star trek get to have the Q continuum or the worm hole aliens or any of the other semi divine races that show up from time to time, cuz that would help them much more than the unpleasant option of mass borg assimiliation.


Nah. I think we were only talking about organic beings (or silicon based beings, or what have you).

Ah. My friend Pete has all seven seasons, and last year when I worked night shift, my nights off were filled with DS9. There's surprisingly little to do at 3am.
ds9 was the truly great trek series. it had the best characters, the most complex plots and an actual story line.

ds9 was the truly great trek series. it had the best characters, the most complex plots and an actual story line.


Voyager is my favorite. (*prepares to be beat up with objections*)

This is all ridiculous. Star Wars, because with the help of the force, the Jedi etc. will conquer all!!!!

Plus, Harrison Ford is in Star Wars, and if he could take on vicious dinosaurs, he can handle pathetic little aliens.

Nah. I think we were only talking about organic beings (or silicon based beings, or what have you).

Well, to be fair the ancients are basically advanced humans, they can return to a physical state any time they wish. They have to ascend in order to become semi-godlike.

This is all ridiculous. Star Wars, because with the help of the force, the Jedi etc. will conquer all!!!!





You're only right for one force power: Battle Meditation. It only takes one Jedi on a stolen, cloaked Bird of Prey (to blend in with the Star Trek fleet) to turn the tide for Star Wars.

Depends on which species in Stargate. The Ancients could whomp on anyone, but they choose not to. They made a weapon that destroys all life in the universe, obvious winners.
Hmm...that brings up an interesting point. What about all the ascended people from SG? They could certainly pwn everyone if they wanted to...

The borg already got their asses kicked by Janeway (oh God! Please tell me I'm not doing this!)

But I think that the borg would win. They'd assimilate the replicators from SG-1 and then they'd get a hold of the wraith from SG-A. That's just major suckitude there.

But, as I've said for a long time, put Piccard (with his hatred of the Borg) in charge of a ship like the Defiant (with all the high-tech weaponry) and give him the database from Voyager (what with all it's delta-quadrient knowledge, especially of the Borg), and you'd get some serious borg-ass-kicking. Now add O'Niel's charisma, some ja'afa rebels lead by T'ielk (sp?) and the other guy, Daniel's ascendedness, Carter's creativeness, some help from the Asgard and the Knox and a few other people, then you add in the Atlantis technology (but not the leadership cuz everyone except Shepherd, the doctor, and the cynical dude sucks...oh, except the black guy, he's cool). The you add some good Jedis (including Yoda, cuz he's cool), and you'd have some SERIOUS ass-kicking. To top it off, I break the rules just slightly and give them Ender's leadership, Bean's brain, and the ansible (if you've read them you know...). Can I get a "hell yeah!"?

The "bad guys" wouldn't stand a chance. The borg would be going on with singlemindedness, the Gu'uld would be too busy fighting each other to do anything, the replicators would get their asses assimilated, or possibly make peace with the borg...either is bad, assimilation being the worst. Still...
The wraith would be too far away or definitely get their asses assimilated (assuming that's possible...if it's not, then they'd probably be fighting the borg). So yeah, that's how it goes. :D
I'd like to see the Borg survive several tons' worth of telekinetic activity. KE is bad for them, y'know?

Scenario:

All eras of Star Wars are combined into one, the Republic stops fighting the Sith, who group together the clone army, separatists, the jedi, the empire and the rebellion, the ewoks ( :D ) and the the New Republic all into one unified force. The Yuuzhan Vong arrive from the intergalactic void and join forces to defeat all of those other scifi series...combined.

Star Wars. Hands down.

I'd like to see the Borg survive several tons' worth of telekinetic activity. KE is bad for them, y'know?
Oh, but if a borg managed to assimilate a jedi or a sith?

Hmm...that brings up an interesting point. What about all the ascended people from SG? They could certainly pwn everyone if they wanted to...

Technically, they aren't allowed to do so. The ancients specifically ban helping or harming the "physical world". They unascend any ascended person caught doing so. However, if the ancients decided to abandon this rule (which is entirely possible) they would kick butt all over the universe. Also, they have used their universe destroying weapon before, but they recreated the universe and seeded life across it.

I'd like to see the Borg survive several tons' worth of telekinetic activity. KE is bad for them, y'know?


That's were vulcans and other telepathic species come in. Our soldiers will be trained against any form of psychic energy. So just try to mind trick us!
ha Ha HA!

Oh, but if a borg managed to assimilate a jedi or a sith?
As if lumbering cyberzombies could even try. :rolleyes:

It'll take dozens if not hundreds to take down a Jedi. More for the Sith. Lightsabers and Force powers are just too much for them. Nanoprobes would be fried by the sheer power of the Force. After all, technological constructs are insigificant next to the power of the Force. :p

As if lumbering cyberzombies could even try. :rolleyes:

It'll take dozens if not hundreds to take down a Jedi. More for the Sith. Lightsabers and Force powers are just too much for them. Nanoprobes would be fried by the sheer power of the Force. After all, technological constructs are insigificant next to the power of the Force. :p


I'd like to see a jedi withstand a cutter beam. (from a cube)

Or a proton torpedo for that matter. Or even a quatum torpedo.

That's were vulcans and other telepathic species come in. Our soldiers will be trained against any form of psychic energy. So just try to mind trick us!
ha Ha HA!
*tosses several dozen rocks at you at bullet speed with my TK powers*

I'd like to see a jedi withstand a cutter beam. (from a cube)
Sure, in the cockpit of an X-wing.

Star Wars beats Star Trek in tactics and technology. I don't know enough about the others.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/Naval-Tactics.html
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Shields/index.html

Ya know, we're all the time seeing Jedi deflect blaster bolts, but what would happen with a beam weapon? How do you deflect something that someone can just move a couple inches to pierce your heart. (for a borg that would be less than half a second)

Ya know, we're all the time seeing Jedi deflect blaster bolts, but what would happen with a beam weapon? How do you deflect something that someone can just move a couple inches to pierce your heart. (for a borg that would be less than half a second)
Easy. You don't block, you dodge. DUH! :D

It's necessary for this to happen in every thread of this ilk, so I'll get it out of the way.

The Culture. They'd win.


As for a serious answer, it's gotta be the SW universe, simply because its ships are the coolest. ISDs... don't come any better than that. And I don't imagine it'd have much difficulty swatting any ship I've seen the other SF universes use.
Clearly marked bridges on very visible towers. Inumerable operators for a singe turbolaser turret, and horrid arcs of fire.

I can think of many ships of better design than ISD's.

Ender's game post-children would win everything. Just drop Dr. Devices everywhere, with Jane-made teleporting. Done.

Star Wars beats Star Trek in tactics and technology. I don't know enough about the others.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/Naval-Tactics.html
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Shields/index.html
It also beats trek in shear wank, perhaps these are related.
;)

Star Wars beats Star Trek in tactics and technology. I don't know enough about the others.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/Naval-Tactics.html
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Shields/index.html



If that's true, then why are they all dead? I mean they'd have to be. What if the entire Star Wars galaxy suffered a major cataclism and all their technology went primitive? Quote: "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away."

As if lumbering cyberzombies could even try. :rolleyes:

It'll take dozens if not hundreds to take down a Jedi. More for the Sith. Lightsabers and Force powers are just too much for them. Nanoprobes would be fried by the sheer power of the Force. After all, technological constructs are insigificant next to the power of the Force. :p
The thing with the borg is that they HAVE dozens OF hundreds of thousands. AND they're expendable. Eventually the Jedi would be overwhelmed. Some nanoprobes would get in, and with him concentrating on staying alive, the nanoprobes would be able to get hold of him.

Anyone want to know what the name Technottoma means? Technological Paradise. I think I'll just side with Star Trek and whip all your butts.

two words:

Death Star


Forget about the star destroyers and borg nanoprobes and the force. A death star could calmy go around vaporizing enemies until it was all by itself.


"We are Borg you will . . . ." Boom.

two words:

Death Star


Forget about the star destroyers and borg nanoprobes and the force. A death star could calmy go around vaporizing enemies until it was all by itself.





Two more words for you: Recharge Rate. How long exactly does it take to recharge the death star?

Oh ya, three more: The Borg Adapt! There'd be only a few "booms."

The thing with the borg is that they HAVE dozens OF hundreds of thousands. AND they're expendable. Eventually the Jedi would be overwhelmed. Some nanoprobes would get in, and with him concentrating on staying alive, the nanoprobes would be able to get hold of him.
True enough, and that's when the Dark Side would come in. *evil cackle*

Two more words for you: Recharge Rate. How long exactly does it take to recharge the death star?
DS1, about a few hours. DS2, every few minutes.

Oh ya, three more: The Borg Adapt! There'd be only a few "booms."
Can they adapt to pure firepower rather than frequency stuff?

Can they adapt to pure firepower rather than frequency stuff?


That's basically what any kind of energy weapon is, frequency. Find the frequency, you got automatic shielding.

Even if the Borg adapted to absorb the energy given out by a Death Star, the sheer amount of it would overload their systems. Also, most SW ships make use of explosive proton torpedoes. You can't absorb that kind of shockwave. If all else fails Jedi can just reach out with the force and crush all the other ships like tin cans.

Even if the Borg adapted to absorb the energy given out by a Death Star, the sheer amount of it would overload their systems. Also, most SW ships make use of explosive proton torpedoes. You can't absorb that kind of shockwave. If all else fails Jedi can just reach out with the force and crush all the other ships like tin cans.

I find your faith in the force disturbing. :-)

That's basically what any kind of energy weapon is, frequency. Find the frequency, you got automatic shielding.
Sure, like they'll be able to survive hundreds of gigatons of weapons fire thrown at it. :rolleyes:

It's necessary for this to happen in every thread of this ilk, so I'll get it out of the way.

The Culture. They'd win.


As for a serious answer, it's gotta be the SW universe, simply because its ships are the coolest. ISDs... don't come any better than that. And I don't imagine it'd have much difficulty swatting any ship I've seen the other SF universes use.
Never underestimate the power of the cloaking device. IDS's ahve a powerful arsonel to be sure but what good are they when they cannot see their target? Can you say Photon torpedo barrage from a safe distance. More over Star Trek ships move much faster than SW ships. Imagine an entir fleet moving at what woudl be just above impulse power for a standard ST ship and a significant advantage must be given to the ST battle groups. I give the SW ships credit for their powerful attack methods too include ion cannons which coudl disable the smaller ST ships fairly easily (if they could hit them). The force is not much of a factor unless its an away team vs. a SW battle party. In this scenerio named crew members would be beamed up jus tin time and no names would be victems of conveinence and drama potential.

Even if the Borg adapted to absorb the energy given out by a Death Star, the sheer amount of it would overload their systems. Also, most SW ships make use of explosive proton torpedoes. You can't absorb that kind of shockwave. If all else fails Jedi can just reach out with the force and crush all the other ships like tin cans.



Once again, "Technological Paradise." We Technottomans are so advanced that that will not work. Anti-telepathic hull plating!

Never underestimate the power of the cloaking device. IDS's ahve a powerful arsonel to be sure but what good are they when they cannot see their target? Can you say Photon torpedo barrage from a safe distance.

A Jedi or Sith would be able to feel a cloaked ship moving and direct fire.

If that's true, then why are they all dead? I mean they'd have to be. What if the entire Star Wars galaxy suffered a major cataclism and all their technology went primitive? Quote: "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away."

Because that's the way the story was written.
Who says they're all dead anyway?

"Your eyes decieve you" is one of the first lessons a Jedi learns. So cloak won't work.

I have the ANSWER! Can you say TACTICAL FUSION CUBE?!

You thought one regular cube was bad! Now you got tactical cubes which are more powerful. Even more recent you gots Fusion Cubes, eight cubes stuck together with all the firepower and crew of each individual cube. Think about it, hundreds of Tactical Fusion cubes commense to pummel and cripple the Star Wars fleet. Sure the Jedi would destroy several, but by then it's all over.

That's it Star Trek wins.

A Jedi or Sith would be able to feel a cloaked ship moving and direct fire.

Is there anything the Force doesn't allow someone to do? It seems to be the ultimate in powergaming.

I have the ANSWER! Can you say TACTICAL FUSION CUBE?!

You thought one regular cube was bad! Now you got tactical cubes which are more powerful. Even more recent you gots Fusion Cubes, eight cubes stuck together with all the firepower and crew of each individual cube. Think about it, hundreds of Tactical Fusion cubes commense to pummel and cripple the Star Wars fleet. Sure the Jedi would destroy several, but by then it's all over.

That's it Star Trek wins.

What are the dimensions of a standard Borg Cube?

Is it 1 km x 1 km x 1 km or 10 x 10 x 10?

Is there anything the Force doesn't allow someone to do? It seems to be the ultimate in powergaming.
Technically, no, but there are limits placed on the body in using the Force. Energy is used up, for instance.

What are the dimensions of a standard Borg Cube?

Is it 1 km x 1 km x 1 km or 10 x 10 x 10?


No idea. Just imagine one cube as compared to the Enterprise (whichever you want). Then imagine eight put together (four on top and four on bottom, to make another cube) as compare to the Enterprise of your choice.

Technically, no, but there are limits placed on the body in using the Force. Energy is used up, for instance.

The Force seems to be the ultimate wank though. Pretty much everything that has been suggested as a pro for Star Trek has been countered with some way using the Force can cancel that out.

I have the ANSWER! Can you say TACTICAL FUSION CUBE?!

You thought one regular cube was bad! Now you got tactical cubes which are more powerful. Even more recent you gots Fusion Cubes, eight cubes stuck together with all the firepower and crew of each individual cube. Think about it, hundreds of Tactical Fusion cubes commense to pummel and cripple the Star Wars fleet. Sure the Jedi would destroy several, but by then it's all over.

That's it Star Trek wins.
I'll just pop in a regular Sector Fleet and gone goes your Cubes!

Starcraft > all.

I'll just pop in a regular Sector Fleet and gone goes your Cubes!


I take it you've never seen a Fusion Cube before, poor soul...

The Force seems to be the ultimate wank though. Pretty much everything that has been suggested as a pro for Star Trek has been countered with some way using the Force can cancel that out.
Well, if you overwhelm a Jedi with a bunch of phaser fire at 50:1 odds, chances are, he will go down. It's pretty much the only way you'll down the Jedi, and even then, a Master's going to be taking dozens with him.

I take it you've never seen a Fusion Cube before, poor soul...
Size matters not! *Whacks you with cane.*

Batman always wins. End of story. Clearly, Batman is a jedi. Therefore, Star Wars wins. :)

But seriously, I went with SW, as long as we get the extended universe - the Vong pwn all. Coralskippers with doval basins can drain the sheilding and power supply of virtully anything. For the guy who went on about physics, I have to point out that in Star Wars, at least, hyperspace is justified with multi-dimensional travel, in which case a lightspeed barrier is moot. Ever read the Ender Saga? It isn't that extreme, but a similar principle. Also, there are inertial dampners that balance the extreme G's of ships, to a point, so it isn't totally unsurvivable..

Size matters not! *Whacks you with cane.*


*rubs head* Sorry master, Yogurt!

I don't know much about the Star Wars universe, so I'm going with Babylon 5. With the first races, the Minbari, Earth, and such, I can't see the others having much of a chance. I mean the Vorlons and Shadows can blow up planets in one shot!

"Your eyes decieve you" is one of the first lessons a Jedi learns. So cloak won't work.
this still does not change the fact that hyper drives cannot match warp engines. Moreover; not every battle group in space has force enhanced personel. ST woudl win their battles through speed and tactics rather than pure firepower. I did watch B5 quite a bit years ago. They do not even compare tecnologically with the other SF worlds.

this still does not change the fact that hyper drives cannot match warp engines.


Actually they can, you don't hear about hyperdrives ripping holes in subspace.

Hmm...

I think it depends on where the battle is.

In space it would be mainly between Trek and Wars. Wars has superior tactics (Daistallia 2104's links), but Trek has the superior technology (the borg and whatnot. Besides that, Star Trek, as a series, has always been about the strange aliens and technology, while Star Wars was more about the wars WITH the aliens and technology, not the A & T themselves). Then again, I think that Battlestar would have the best strategies. They're mostly all equal in manpower, when you match the borg to the Imerial forces and such. Battlestar, though, doesn't have the manpower to keep up with the others.
Stargate just doesn't have the tactics or the manpower to keep up in space. Maybe the replicators, but the borg could take them apart, and the stardestroyers could take the ships from a good enough distance. The Gu'uld ships are just unwieldly, and not very advanced, even against others in the same series. The asgard could put up a fight, but they'd lose eventually.
In the end, Battlestar would lose. They just don't have the resources. Trek would win in the end because even if their ships suck, they can pull random tech-tricks, like matching the phasers' frequency to the enemy shields or whatever. And Wars just doesn't have the defense against photon torpedoes, even if they're short-ranged. Both sides would be hurt badly, but Trek could recover faster, and would win eventually, but with heavy casulties.


On the ground, it would be Stargate and Star Wars. Battlestar is mostly about the ships, earth being destroyed and all. Star Trek just doesn't have the manpower on the ground. Phasers are only good with small groups against small groups, and Star Trek is not known for having impressive land battles. Star Wars has the superior tech on the ground, what with Jedis and all the various war machines. Stargate is still a contender, though, cuz you can't argue with an MP-90 or a Gu'uld staff. They may not have good war machines, so in a pitched battle SG would lose, but in small battles, SG would win through tactics and small-arms fire. I'm sorry, but an MP-90 and Zat combo would kick a blaster's ass. The Jedi would be a problem, but given enough bullets and zats, and they'd go down. And if you add the one Gu'uld's super-soldiers, the Jedi would be hurtin' in small, guerilla warfare. In large, pitched battles, though, Wars would have the manpower that gate couldn't handle. Assuming the Gu'uld manage to work together, they might put up a fight, but it wouldn't last long.
Long-term, SG would win out. They're small, they're mobil ('specially using the stargates), and they're spread out. It would take a very long time, but eventually they'd win through guerilla war. Wars would either have to mass its forces together (thus defeating the purpose cuz SG could just go all over the other worlds) or be picked apart. And, like Trek, they have a million tiny tech-tricks they can pull. It would be VERY long and very hard, but SG would win out in the end.


I don't know about Babylon 5, I've just never seen it. I'm thinking they'd be in the space battles.
There's also Andromeda, but that'd be pretty much Andromeda and the Maru verses everyone else. Though, I have to give them a fighting chance just because of the AI. Rommy's just cool. If you count back when the Commonwealth still existed, I'd give them a VERY good chance in the space battles. The Highguard ships are just cool, man. Oh, and they have nova-bombs (I think that's what they're called). Andromeda's got the tech and the manpower to be a contender if you count the Commonwealth. I'd have to give them the win in space. On the ground, though, they'd loose. A forcelance is cool and all, but against the ATATs of Wars? No. And a forcelance is pretty much a Gu'uld staff, which would put them equal, except SG has MP-90s and Zats. Now, you may think that an MP-90 doesn't have a chance, but bullets kill just as well as a laser. And if all the force-shields are anything like Gu-uld shields, if it goes too slow, it'll get through, meaning the SG crew can come blazing in with RPGs and dart guns. Not affective against ATATs, sure, but remember, SG is doing guerilla war.

P.S Oh my God. I just spent that much time and thinking that hard about which sci-fi series would beat the other...Someone shoot me, and if you use a blaster, Zat, phaser, or anything other than a gun, I will kill you...somehow...

I still say John Crichton would own all over them.

6 zergling rush will cripple all your forces, then comes a tank/goliath drop which takes out all your resource gatherers, mass zerglings and mass carriers which devastate your base, finally arbiters recall like 90 zealots into your base, leaving Starcraft triumphant.

this still does not change the fact that hyper drives cannot match warp engines. Moreover; not every battle group in space has force enhanced personel. ST woudl win their battles through speed and tactics rather than pure firepower. I did watch B5 quite a bit years ago. They do not even compare tecnologically with the other SF worlds.
All the dancing around in the universe isn't going to help you if your ships' shields are overwhelmed in a few shots and you can't penetrate the other side's shields with less than an entire fleet. Not to mention hyperdrives being far faster than warp drives and industrial capability of SW way over anything in ST. ST is well and truly fucked against SW.

this still does not change the fact that hyper drives cannot match warp engines. Moreover; not every battle group in space has force enhanced personel. ST woudl win their battles through speed and tactics rather than pure firepower. I did watch B5 quite a bit years ago. They do not even compare tecnologically with the other SF worlds.

Uh, if warp drives are so good, then why would it take the voyager 70 YEARS to get back to the Alpha Quadrant? While SW ships can flit around the galaxy in a matter of days or even hours?
Oh, and just go to www.stardestroyer.net and all you ST freaks(fun meaning) arguments will wither away.
MWUHAHAHA BOW BEFORE THE POWER OF THE FORCE!

I still say John Crichton would own all over them.
Oh, I don't know. I think Jack O'Neill can match him in the wits department. :D

Actually they can, you don't hear about hyperdrives ripping holes in subspace.
does this change the fact that warp drive is faster despite these tears in space? ST has a valiable option of stick and move. And fighters are nullified by the ST ships superior shielding ( relative to size) and the mobility of phaser cannons. The standard Star fleet ship has 360 degrees of fire at a fast rate. Photon torpedoes and tractor beams which coudl be used to push fighters into each other. Granted empirial ships ahve tractor beams as well but but only on their very large vessels which the ST woudl hit form a distance. Fighter effectiveness is nullified by these factors in my oppinion.

And lets nto forget that force attuned people are very rare. Even in the old republic the # of trained Jedis was only in the hundreds. SO please stop pretending force attuned people woudl even conceivably be in every batte or even most. Not too mention most of them woudl be used in ground battles. which ST lacks severly in. however if u cannot land ona planet ground battles do not matter. Oh and lets not forget abotu teleporters. granted shields have to be down to use htembut imagine the advantage in a ground battle if there were no other space craft to worry about and 1 ST ship was using their teleporters to tactically move units.

Oh, I don't know. I think Jack O'Neill can match him in the wits department. :D

But can he match Crichton in the "can-create-galaxy-destroying-weapons" department?

This is perhaps the nerdiest thread in the history of forum posting.

Speed and tactics? Battles don't happen in warp speed/hyperspace - they happen at more limited speeds, where both would be restricted. Tactically, ST doesn't have fighters and such so much as light cruisers, and judging by size, it isn't so big that a small group of coral skippers, TIE's, or X-Wings couldn't take it out. The ST ship has no chance, because it's weapons can't target small fighter effectively - they are meant to take out similar ships, not anything so small as an individual fighter. Plus, the SW people have equal tactics, if not better - their battles are hardly raw firepower.

This is perhaps the nerdiest thread in the history of forum posting.

No, the nerdiest thread here was the 800+ post thread about this exact same topic a month or so ago.

In the end, Battlestar would lose. They just don't have the resources. Trek would win in the end because even if their ships suck, they can pull random tech-tricks, like matching the phasers' frequency to the enemy shields or whatever. And Wars just doesn't have the defense against photon torpedoes, even if they're short-ranged. Both sides would be hurt badly, but Trek could recover faster, and would win eventually, but with heavy casulties.
Building the Death Star II in 6 months and millions of ships in 20 years seems to disagree with you.

No, the nerdiest thread here was the 800+ post thread about this exact same topic a month or so ago.
Ah.

But can he match Crichton in the "can-create-galaxy-destroying-weapons" department?
with the Ancient knowledge locked in his brain? Yup. Without, probably not.

First of all, I'm ignoring hyper powerful ancient races like the Q, the ancients, or other omnipotent groups. There's no good way to choose between them, and usually they have strict policies of noninterference anyway.

Of the Universes listed only the forces of Star Trek and Star Wars have the capacity to maintain a serious war. Both literally have the resources of hundreds of times as many planets to draw on as the other three.

Between Star Wars and Star Trek, technologically Star Trek wins hands down. Warp technology, shields that can withstand more than one or two laser blasts, teleporters, replicators give them a huge advantage. Heck, against a Super Star Destroyer all you have to do is beam bombs into key sections of the ship, and replicators would make victory in a protracted war all but guaranteed.

Jedi wouldn't make the difference unless we're talking pre clone wars when there's enough to really shift the balance. Then it becomes mostly a question of just how far the jedi can go. Jedi do not, unlike some people think, have unlimited power without consequence, and the lives of jedi who use too much tend to end badly.

6 zergling rush will cripple all your forces, then comes a tank/goliath drop which takes out all your resource gatherers, mass zerglings and mass carriers which devastate your base, finally arbiters recall like 90 zealots into your base, leaving Starcraft triumphant.

And any starship of any of the universes bombards the planet, leaving you a smoking hole in the ground.

It seems to be fairly unanimous, it boils down to Star Wars vs. Star Trek.

Assuming both suffer equal damages in dispatching the remainder of the worlds, you are left with a Star Trek alliance (Borg, Humans, Klingon, Romulans, Dominion, etc, etc) and a Star Wars alliance (Empire, Rebels, jedi, sith, etc, etc)

Now, factor in that Star Wars has been at war for a long while, they have many battle-hardened and experienced troops, whereas the Star Trek universe only has a few battle-hardened and experienced. The humans spent too much time on diplomacy to be well-prepared for an all-out slugfest (sudden).

The Borg would pose the greatest threat from the ST universe, what with their somewhat superior firepower, and assimilation abilities, however it has been demonstrated that their singlemindedness is a decided weakness. Secondly, their adaptive abilities are restricted to energy weapons, not kinetic weapons, and lastly, like any shield, no matter how efficient and refined (IE limited to a single frequency band to block a single frequency weapon) there is a point of collapse.

I postulate the following scenario: Death stars providing the majority firepower, with the cap ships and fighters all flying defense and support to keep them alive between firings, jedi making quick and sudden work of any borg drones that manage to land on ships. Fusion cubes are just more birds with one shot (I'm sorry, but DS1 was able to easily vaporize (not just reduce to rubble) a planet, and DS2 was even better designed), so one shot would take out 8 instead of 1 cube.

ST universe strategy would probably rely on assimilating/capturing enemy ships (shock troops, etc, transporters make for a wonderful advantage). All battle takes place at impulse (you try to shoot at someone moving sublight when you're moving FTL, and see if you can hit, let alone stay in range).

Ultimately, SW would win out, but there'd be very heavy losses.

Aww. The almighty Andalites would wipe the floor with SW.

Building the Death Star II in 6 months and millions of ships in 20 years seems to disagree with you.
They wouldn't have time. The borg could pound at them virtually forever. And the "normal" trek people just have the tech-tricks...Rerout power from the thingy to the thingy and bi-pass the other thingy and you've turned a hulk into a ship again. Not perfect, but good enough to harrass the Wars people.

First of all, I'm ignoring hyper powerful ancient races like the Q, the ancients, or other omnipotent groups. There's no good way to choose between them, and usually they have strict policies of noninterference anyway.

Of the Universes listed only the forces of Star Trek and Star Wars have the capacity to maintain a serious war. Both literally have the resources hundreds of times as many planets to draw on as the other three.

Between Star Wars and Star Trek, technologically Star Trek wins hands down. Warp technology, shields that can withstand more than one or two laser blasts, teleporters, replicators give them a huge advantage. Heck, against a Super Star Destroyer all you have to do is beam bombs into key sections of the ship, and replicators would make victory in a protracted war all but guaranteed.

Jedi wouldn't make the difference unless we're talking pre clone wars when there's enough to really shift the balance. Then it becomes mostly a question of just how far the jedi can go. Jedi do not, unlike some people think, have unlimited power without consequence, and the lives of jedi who use too much tend to end badly.
Prove you can beam transporters through the shields of SW ships.

SW Galaxy has a million worlds (at least). Coruscant and several other planets are completely covered with city. There are entire systems devoted to shipbuilding. ST is still screwed.

6 zergling rush will cripple all your forces, then comes a tank/goliath drop which takes out all your resource gatherers, mass zerglings and mass carriers which devastate your base, finally arbiters recall like 90 zealots into your base, leaving Starcraft triumphant.
What are you smoking?


You forgot about the Ghosts and Wraiths, the Ultralisks...

Heh, I was playing SC today, and I slaughtered my friend - I'm finally getting used to zerg, and my zergling rush slaughtered all of his workers thanks to some micro. He had a command center, a full bunker, and a single extra marine left - and I was about to get rid of those, too :) Then the bugger quit...

Speed and tactics? Battles don't happen in warp speed/hyperspace - they happen at more limited speeds, where both would be restricted. Tactically, ST doesn't have fighters and such so much as light cruisers, and judging by size, it isn't so big that a small group of coral skippers, TIE's, or X-Wings couldn't take it out. The ST ship has no chance, because it's weapons can't target small fighter effectively - they are meant to take out similar ships, not anything so small as an individual fighter. Plus, the SW people have equal tactics, if not better - their battles are hardly raw firepower.ahvingthe faster movement gives you the option toochoose your battles and flee tactically regroup assault and flee and a host of other options. This is a distinct advantage. once again i will remind you that tractor beams alone are enough to take care of fighters.

And any starship of any of the universes bombards the planet, leaving you a smoking hole in the ground.

MY DOODS ARE IN UR BASE KILLING ALL UR DOODS

Aww. The almighty Andalites would wipe the floor with SW.
HELL YEAH MAN! WHOO!

Ya know we could use the Yeerks in conjunction with the Borg. Technically the same.

They wouldn't have time. The borg could pound at them virtually forever. And the "normal" trek people just have the tech-tricks...Rerout power from the thingy to the thingy and bi-pass the other thingy and you've turned a hulk into a ship again. Not perfect, but good enough to harrass the Wars people.
*sigh* Let me make it perfectly clear.

The Borg cannot adapt to more firepower than it could handle, and it cannot handle the firepower of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer! Light turbolasers are in the megaton range, about the same as phasers and photon torpedoes. Medium Turbolasers are in the gigaton range, firepower that will require a Federation Fleet to deal with. Heavy Turbolasers are in the low teraton range. The best the Enterprise could do was a 1 gigaton phaser, and even that strained it systems!

Oh yeah, and back up your comments with sources!

May I suggest we continue this tommarrow? It's getting to be 12:00 am over here, I gots to sleep.

Before my opinion, I must say that this thread has made my day. I mean, here I was thinking I was a huge nerd, then along come you guys....

Anyway, SW has the advantages in big honkin' armament, like ISD's, SSD's, and of course the occaisonal Death Star (and they still have the plans, so don't say they wouldn't use them). Compared in space to what I've seen, which is admittedly little, of ST and SG-1 tech, SW has a definite advantage, especially given the power of starfighters in the SW universe. Maybe the Borg could assimiliate or destroy quite a bit, but there is always the option of using droids to fight them instead of organics. Just imagine a dozen kamikaze ships with a suicidal computer pilot , packed to the gills with whatever blows up big, versus a Borg ship.

On the groud the contest evens out a bit. SW still has the big honkin' armament advantage with ATAT's andJedi's, etc, but SG-1 has the assembled Gould, human, and replicator forces. Any bets on how long it could take replicators to swarm an ATAT or Jedi? SW, with the exception of the Borg, still loses out unless there is something I don't know about. The Borg could probably put up a good fight, but they'd lose out eventually.

I didn't include anything about the other sci-fi's since I don't know enough to guess at their capability. If any of this seems wrong to anyone else, in my defense, I'm not a true geek, just a nerd that dabbles from time to time.

Ya know we could use the Yeerks in conjunction with the Borg. Technically the same.
Bah, they were beaten by 5 kids and an alien cadet all the time. Slip in a couple of Jedi apprentices, and they're done for! :p

*sigh* Let me make it perfectly clear.

The Borg cannot adapt to more firepower than it could handle, and it cannot handle the firepower of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer! Light turbolasers are in the megaton range, about the same as phasers and photon torpedoes. Medium Turbolasers are in the gigaton range, firepower that will require a Federation Fleet to deal with. Heavy Turbolasers are in the low teraton range. The best the Enterprise could do was a 1 gigaton phaser, and even that strained it systems!
First off, the DS can only shoot in one direction at a time. The borg have the resources to spread out, sending hundres of expendable ships. Yeah, shoot your big lasers, but you can't kill them all. SWARM tactics. Eventually some would get in, and it really only takes one.

Oh yeah, and back up your comments with sources!
Dude...Look at what we're talking about. Sources be damned!

Prove you can beam transporters through the shields of SW ships.

SW Galaxy has a million worlds (at least). Coruscant and several other planets are completely covered with city. There are entire systems devoted to shipbuilding. ST is still screwed.

Star Wars shields go down with just a few laser blasts. They recover quickly, unlike Star Trek shields, but they wouldn't have to be down long. The fact that you can crash a fighter into a Star Destroyer and do serious damage tells you something too(if the Star Destroyer fails to blow it up first). A fighter hitting a ST shield would just explode, and weaken the shields a bit, but wouldn't make a hole in the ship.

Besides, it seems pretty obvious that technologically ST must be far more advanced than SW just based on the existence of replicators and transporters. You would expect that shields and weapons are proportionally more powerful too.

It's true that the SW universe has a lot more resources at it's disposal, but the ST replicators I think balance this out mostly.

...must not go to sleep...zzz...huh?...must stay awa...

Bah, they were beaten by 5 kids and an alien cadet all the time. Slip in a couple of Jedi apprentices, and they're done for! :p
But if one of them morphed into a jedi!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

But hey, if we're really bringing in books, I say Ender all the way. No one can top Ender in leadership, and no one can top Bean in IQ. Tech, manpower, all else be damned! Ender could kick everyone's ass just cuz he's a frigging good leader, and Bean is frigging insane with IQ.

Man, get Ender's jeesh sittin' in a control room with an ansible and some fighters...

And if you go with all the stuff from the rest of the series (which, technically you can't cuz of time and whatnot), you got instantaneous travel via Jane. That, and just give them the descolosada (sp?) virus and they all die.


If we're not including books, ignore this.

But if one of them morphed into a jedi!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?




They wouldn't do that, unethical.

But hey, if we're really bringing in books, I say Ender all the way. No one can top Ender in leadership, and no one can top Bean in IQ. Tech, manpower, all else be damned! Ender could kick everyone's ass just cuz he's a frigging good leader, and Bean is frigging insane with IQ.


I need to read that...zzz...

Star Wars shields go down with just a few laser blasts. They recover quickly, unlike Star Trek shields, but they wouldn't have to be down long. The fact that you can crash a fighter into a Star Destroyer and do serious damage tells you something too(if the Star Destroyer fails to blow it up first). A fighter hitting a ST shield would just explode, and weaken the shields a bit, but wouldn't make a hole in the ship.

Besides, it seems pretty obvious that technologically ST must be far more advanced than SW just based on the existence of replicators and transporters. You would expect that shields and weapons are proportionally more powerful too.

It's true that the SW universe has a lot more resources at it's disposal, but the ST replicators I think balance this out mostly.
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120 member planets and two trillion people in the Federation does not a galaxy-spanning civilization make! Coruscant has a conservative estimate of 1 trillion inhabitants alone, the SW galaxy populations is several orders of magnitude higher! Fondor, Kuat, both are shipyards that span the entire system, and what does Trek have? Ok, replicators. HOWEVER, they don't have the industrial strength to defeat Star Wars, no ifs ands or buts about it!

First off, the DS can only shoot in one direction at a time. The borg have the resources to spread out, sending hundres of expendable ships. Yeah, shoot your big lasers, but you can't kill them all. SWARM tactics. Eventually some would get in, and it really only takes one.
It still has a million turbolasers on it's surface designed to repel just that sort of attack. Borg are screwed no matter which way you cut it.

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I doubt the Borg could fully assimilate Jedis, their Force powers do not inhabit machines, so they could only partially understand them at best. I'd have to say SW.

But who would win is irrelevant. As soon as Voltron shows up, the show's over anyway :)

But if one of them morphed into a jedi!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Too unethical, though I can see Cassie or Tobias learning the ways of the Force.

But hey, if we're really bringing in books, I say Ender all the way. No one can top Ender in leadership, and no one can top Bean in IQ. Tech, manpower, all else be damned! Ender could kick everyone's ass just cuz he's a frigging good leader, and Bean is frigging insane with IQ.

Man, get Ender's jeesh sittin' in a control room with an ansible and some fighters...

And if you go with all the stuff from the rest of the series (which, technically you can't cuz of time and whatnot), you got instantaneous travel via Jane. That, and just give them the descolosada (sp?) virus and they all die.


If we're not including books, ignore this.
I take Ender and raise you Duchess Honor Harrington and Lord Commander Solar Macharius. :p

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120 member planets and two trillion people in the Federation does not a galaxy-spanning civilization make! Coruscant has a conservative estimate of 1 trillion inhabitants alone, the SW galaxy populations is several orders of magnitude higher! Fondor, Kuat, both are shipyards that span the entire system, and what does Trek have? Ok, replicators. HOWEVER, they don't have the industrial strength to defeat Star Wars, no ifs ands or buts about it!


It still has a million turbolasers on it's surface designed to repel just that sort of attack. Borg are screwed no matter which way you cut it.

But we're not talking just the federation--it's the entire ST universe: the classics, plus borg, plus all the crazy wierd thingies from Voyager that allow them to communicate hime every few episodes. And lets not put too much stake in published numbers for weapon power, etc. They were just made up by some nerd-author and have next to no relelvence in this discussion.

But we're not talking just the federation--it's the entire ST universe: the classics, plus borg, plus all the crazy wierd thingies from Voyager that allow them to communicate hime every few episodes. And lets not put too much stake in published numbers for weapon power, etc. They were just made up by some nerd-author and have next to no relelvence in this discussion.
Fine, let's go to the shows themselves. How much firepower does a photon torpedo carry? How about capital-grade phasers? Mind you that a light turbolaser completely vaporizes 30m asteroids with ease.

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Night, buddy. Been a good debate with ya!

Vong vs Borg! Vong vs Borg!

"Your damned machines -" *urk*

"He killed Praetorite Vong guy #36654! Send in the worldships! I want a yammosk and a couple thousand coralskips now!"

I can just see the brog trying to handle purely organic ships...

Night, buddy. Been a good debate with ya!


Same...to...you...good...night... *falls over unconscious*

Vong vs Borg! Vong vs Borg!

"Your damned machines -" *urk*

"He killed Praetorite Vong guy #36654! Send in the worldships! I want a yammosk and a couple thousand coralskips now!"

I can just see the brog trying to handle purely organic ships...
They did, against Species whatchamacallit, and got their asses kicked.

Here is a fun scenerio:
A SW contigent made up of 20 capital ships and 100 frigits and smaller class vehicles and the accompanying host of fighters are escorting a Death Star. Its destinatian is Terra Prime ( earth) and its mission is to obliterate earth thus taking the federation out as ai viable ST threat. Lets assume that Death Stars reguire a shield generator ( as shown on Return of the Jedi) which is so large it must be put on a planatiod body ( The century moon of Endor) and otherwise has no shields what so ever. We msut also assume that no force attuned beings are available since they are too busy finishing of the B5 or STG-1 beings.

The ST contingent consists of only 1 clingon bird of prey ( cloaked of course) which picked up the SW contingent on its superior ranged sensors and formulated a plan to save Terra prime. The bird is captiained by a Furangee ( just because Furangee are funny) and they have a changling on board ( as shown in Deep space nine). This changling is a super hacker and skilled in gorrilla tactics and warfare as well as infiltraion skills. The other members of the crew are inmaterial so we will not bother discussing them.

The bird of prey flies within teleporter range of the Death star while cloaked. It then lowers its cloak and at the same instant teleport our operative on board. The initial plan was for the bird to recloak and evade and escape. However the SW contingent reacts quickly and destroys the Furangee and the rest of the crew. The changling is already in the form of an empirial officer of low grade.

The changling hacks into the data base and systems of the death star by using an R2 droid which cannot discernn that he is not a legitimate member of the crew. He then transfers al controls to a single control panel and puts all other panels offline so that he cannot be detected. He then begins attacking the ships in the escort starting with capital ships.

At this point the SW contingent has 2 options
1. destroy the death star
2. flee the death star and let the people in the death star find the isolated panel and destroy the usurper.

If option 1 is taken the death star is destroyed threat too earth minimized.
if option 2 is taken...
The changling can self destruct the death star as a last resort using some startrekesque teck trick liek overloading the main reactor. However he is far more likely to simply have all fodo services on baord the death star end and lock all entry and exit points (using secondary doors if outer doors are blasted). Effectively he woudl starve the entire crew out becuse he ahs a personal replicator.

Now the ST team has a working Death Star which they can reproduce with minor modifications ( since they are slightly superior technology wise).

In an all-scifi-worlds knock-down drag out, my money's either on Warhammer 40,000, Xenosaga, or Dune. (The Culture by nature wouldn't be out to crush enemies, drive them before it, or hear lamentations from anyone.)

Given the list you've posed there, Babylon 5's the only group that would make it past the point where Physics shows up.

I agree that Dune shoudl ahve been included before some of the others listed here. Some other classics include "doctor who" and "Transformers". Both had entire universes and both had several different races and varying technologies. Dune was much more microcosmic than the others listed.

Also I see several conflicts in the scenerios. I know that SG-1 and B-5 share their origins from earth with ST. So these cannto exist in the same universe logically unless you assume that they are all restarts from chronologically different periods in human history. Then u must allow for time travel which gives SW a huge advantage since they woudl be able too grab all kinds of deceased Jedi. Although grabbing these Jedi coudl cause a paradox that woudl destroy the entire space tiem continuem.

So ther e is on way we can have all three earth based Sci-Fi series in the fight. but for the sake of arguement lets pretend they came form alternate dimmensions and all traveled throgh a portal to meet in a palce that was "long long ago in a galaxy far far away"

Here are a couple of interesting articles on the whole ST vs SW debate. The website they are from hasn't been updated in nearly 3 years :eek: but the articles are quite good, so here you be.

Borg vs. Death Star (http://www.crossoveruniverse.com/vs4.htm)
Star Wars universe vs Star Trek universe (http://www.crossoveruniverse.com/trekvwr2.htm)

But seriously...Star Trek wins...all they have to do is beam a few tribbles onto an enemy ship, and it's done for :p

Oh, and I would agree...Starcraft would own them all...especially if all 3 races were working together.

andramada kicks all your asses 3 words point singularity wepons in other words black hole cannons

Pleeeze. Romulans use those as an internal combustian engine. Really internal.

All the other franchise Universes would be useless slag after the Daleks from the Dr. Who Universe got through with them. They're the only species from this or any of the Univrses mentioned in the original post who strove to (and I think may indeed have successfully done at some point) conquer their entire Universe.

Sure, they might look like laughably inept salt and pepper shakers...but each Dalek unit contains deep within it a hyper-evolved lump of flesh - genetically altered to produce socially-desirable traits such as animosity, suspicion, territoriality, and aggression.

Daleks might have to get by with one suction-cup appendage, but they're not designed for heavy labour - while their myriad subject races usually are. Besides, their other arm is usually an assault weapon of some sort - making them perpetually ready for close-quarter fighting.

The Daleks have always relied on one successful strategy: numbers. If you've got an interstellar war to fight, screw doing it with strategy...just keep breeding up wave after wave of Dalek assault forces, each one bigger than the last. Eventually, you'll win. And if they could win (maybe not retain, but - win) an entire Universe, I see no reason that they couldn't also smash all the others listed, even if all the others were to band against the Daleks (except unless of course the 'other side' had the Doctor on hand...

The Vorlons alone could take all of them. :sniper:

SG-1 is superior because they have ascended beings, they exist in another plane of existance and have massive power. So nothing (expect other ascended beings) can cast them down.

Feh.

*an endless droning and whirring of turrets rises to a crescendo of shrill electronic voices screaming endlessly*

"e-e-e-e-eeeEX-TERRRRRMINAAAAAATE!!!"

...and inside the squat round lttle head of every Dalek thoughts roughly equivalent to this are going on: "We don't need no stinkin' higher planes of existence. We're Daleks. We'll take THIS plane of existence, and you keep yours...until we decide we want that, too. And then we'll take it from you and make you all (well, make the survivors, anyway) the janitorial staff. In fact, hand it over now. Or we'll...EXTERMINATE! e-eeEX-TERMINAAATE!! e-e-e-e-eeeEX-TERRRRRMINAAAAAATE!!!"

If the fight comes down to just macguffins (the force, transporters, transwarp drive, what have you) then it's obvious 2001: A Space Odyssey wins. It has the best macguffin of all: The Obelisk. It will drive all men insane and create giant star babies whose spew alone could destroy any ship mentioned.

Failing that, the Foundation wins. Psychohistory is a bitch.

This is a really silly thread, but I just *have* to reply. :p

Throw in a Borg armada, and it's more or less an automatic win for Star Trek. Even with Thrawn in command, those Star Destroyers wouldn't stand the beginning of a chance. And may I remind you a Death Star can only fire once every half hour or so (see the novels)? A Death Star would destroy one Borg cube, then get blown to bits by all the others.

The Vorlons alone could take all of them. :sniper:

yeah, team em up with the shadows, Stick the first ones on top of that and thats the ball game. Worst comes to worst, get Delenn to talk them to death.

Let us just say their is a massive four way battle in space between the five most popular and powerful sci-fi shows/movies.

In one corner we have Star Wars, the Empire and Rebels have combined forces and are working together on this to bring about victory.

Star Trek. Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, Borg, The Federation, etc all cooperating as one cohesive group to achieve victory.

Babylon 5. I do not know anything about this show.

Battlestar Galactica. Cylons and Humans working together, what more could you ask for?

Stargate SG-1. Goa' uld, Tokra, Jafah, Humans and Asgard, these guys definetly have the coolest voice changes, like going through pubery in a matter of seconds.

Now, I realize that Star Trek and Star Wars would have a huge advantage here by numbers, so just assume that they have their best ships, but even up the numbers, bring all those involved down to an even plane. Actually, let's throw Stargate SG-1 in there also.
the borg would kick mondo ass... who needs a deathstar when you've got a couple of borg cubes and a few thousand drones (and teleporters ;) )

Here are a couple of interesting articles on the whole ST vs SW debate. The website they are from hasn't been updated in nearly 3 years :eek: but the articles are quite good, so here you be.

Borg vs. Death Star (http://www.crossoveruniverse.com/vs4.htm)
Star Wars universe vs Star Trek universe (http://www.crossoveruniverse.com/trekvwr2.htm)

But seriously...Star Trek wins...all they have to do is beam a few tribbles onto an enemy ship, and it's done for :p

Oh, and I would agree...Starcraft would own them all...especially if all 3 races were working together.
awesome :p

Look for the Enterprise to travel back in time--way back--to join the Rebellion in defeating their common foe. Picard and Luke discuss battle tactics, Riker and Han Solo hang out the local cantina and share some stories, while Worf and Chewbacca growl at each other over a tense game of a holographic version of Star Trek's three-dimensional chess. Include a funny scene between R2D2, C3PO, and Data, and you've got the biggest blockbuster movie ever made.

actually i change my mind. lets be intelligent about this.

the Borg are smart. they would just sit out the fight, hiding in some distant corner of the galaxy (able to get there quickly with transwarp drive), then just swan in when the fighting's done and assimilate everybody.

Except species 8472. :p

A couple of things to note:

If you are including the supplemental material, Yes, ST does have fighters. See Star Fleet Battles. This would include:

Warp capable Systems:
Mobile Star Bases (Warp 3 max speed)
Photon (anti-matter) Torpedos (Effective Trans-Warp)
Enveloping Plasma Torpedos
Drone Bombardment ships/groups (Drones to Warp 10+)... Can you stop several thousand anti-matter missiles? Again? and Again?
Carriers, Super Carriers and Carrier Groups
(Tholian) Web Generators
Lyran ESGs (Sheild walls)
Cloak & EM on Crusier size ships
Snub Fighters, Heavy Fighters and Patrol Ships (with heavy weapons)
Transporter Bombs & Nuclear Space Mines

Remember that once the Borg has assimilated the ST Tactical force they will hav available ALL of the BEST traits and tactics of ALL of the ST Races and Tech. - including the ones that they lost to before.

Hyperdrive VS Warp. Yes, Hyper will get you there faster, but you can't fight in it. You can fight at warp speeds. I'd like to see a Death Star stop even a Warp 4 (4x3x2x1xC) Fleet Battle Pass.

Here's your scenerio. Warp 9 (cloak?) flyby of SW battle group (SSDs, DS/SDS etc.) Multiple warp torpedo launch - torps loaded with Borg-nanos.

ST force loses that system, but gains an SW Battle Group & Tech (including necessary info to Adapt).

End of War.

BTW:
Light Sabers don't require Plasma Tech. If I had a sufficient powersupply I could build one today. Paten't pending - but 2 words, monomolecular wire. 'nuff said.

Leto appears and proclaims you all heritics and sentances you to death! with a sweep of his hand you are all consumed in a whirling sand storm!!!

Dune kicks any sci fi's ass!!!

Except species 8472. :p
shut it you :D

Battlestar Galactica will be out of the contest
Stargate... tho they do have the Ancients, they choose not to involve themselves with the corpreals... so Stargate is out. Now the Replicators? they are just machines, I Believe that they and the Borg will actually merge and form a new species, replicating both organic and inorganic substances. however, given their nature, The Borg will be the dominate form.

Star Wars. Force is nice but the Jedi are passifists... waiting until the last moment before acting... so the Borg will gain a major foothold in Republic space.

so who will the winner be.

Babylon 5. The Ancient Races will get bored with the fighting and the 5 Ancient races will come in and bitchslap the Borg/New Republic into the stone age then go back to what ever they were doing.

I would love to see a Star Destoyer go up against an Enterpise-E hail of Quantum Torpedos.

Star Trek wins with speed AND Firepower,

Who would win? Whoever your favourite is. Any other answer is wrong.

Actually, in a war of that scale, no one would win. They'd all destroy each other. Game, set, match. Cue the long night.

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Babylon 5. The Ancient Races will get bored with the fighting and the 5 Ancient races will come in and bitchslap the Borg/New Republic into the stone age then go back to what ever they were doing.

Except the Organians might have somthing to say about that...especially if they were (allowed themselves to be?) Assimilated

actually if they had their space battle in the real universe they would all quickly die as their impossible technologies failed to work and their ships sat dead in space leaking air and warmth into the vaccuum.

Actually, in a war of that scale, no one would win. They'd all destroy each other. Game, set, match. Cue the long night.

Nah. There would be 2 Borg Galactic Collectives, each identically equipped and empowered.

The Milky Way would lose maybe 1 or 2 systems before the complete, barely opposed, assimilation of SW Galaxy would begin.

(Godlike races excluded)

Oh, has anyone thrown in Andromeda? With the Commonwealth, the Eureka Maru, Nieztcheans, and Magog? I can just imagine the damage the World Ship alone would cause...

EDIT: NVM, someone DID already come up with this.

But in the end, my theory is the same. No one would survive...except maybe the Ancients who are truly committed to non-interference.

actually if they had their space battle in the real universe they would all quickly die as their impossible technologies failed to work and their ships sat dead in space leaking air and warmth into the vaccuum.
Shh. This is about the Plausible Impossible.

I am Yoda of Borg. Metachloriens of Assimilation resist you can not.

They would destroy each other, the entire universe. gone....

Seriously, I think it would come down to Star Trek and Wars. Spices 8472 could take on the Death Star and the rest of the Trek galaxy takes on te rest of the StarWars galaxy. Because the Star Wars galaxy is war-torn and recent Trek stuff has been unified(VOY gains several allies in DQ, DS9 unifies Feds Romies and Klingons, Cardassian Gov. is a puppet, Frengi is forces to only sell to Feds. Then bring in the guys from TOS and TNG and even ENT.

Trek Wins

Trekkers

Have to say Stargate SG-1 as now they have a time travelling ship (so if they lose they can just fly back and have another go), had a weapon that could destroy all life in the galaxy and have repeatedly shown that they are the luckiest people in the history of television therefore would win by stumbling across the big red button which says "if you're a human and want to win press here" after Daniel has tranlated it from some obscure language only he ever seems to have known and Carter has played Chess with half a dozen computers and tricked them into playing themselves so that somehow (without knowing it) she wins.

Now Battlestar Galactica doesn't even stand a chance and unless in more recent series Babylon 5 has gotten some new species who kick ass then they are out too.

Star Trek would stand a very good chance what with the Dominion being supersoldiers, having cloaking devices all over the shop, changlings who can infiltrate everywhere and the rocket-launcher-the-size-of-a-pea-shooter which is the Defiant. Then there is obviously the Borg with their transdimensional warp conduits who can travel really fast and assimilate everyone else. Not forgetting though the lovelly Seven-of-Nine who can bat her eyelids and disarm half the enemy before they even know what's happened :-)

Only saving grace for Star Wars is the Jedi who are a bunch of pacifists and won't do anything until they evaluate the situation (ie letting the enemy get a foothold) and are only really good in hand to hand type combat whereas the majority of this sci-fi war would be fought in ships.
We all know how easily star destroyers and that bloody death star are destroyed due to the stupidity of the commanders. Put some smart guys in charge of them and then we'll start to have a battle.

Just a few thoughts

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I dunno who would win between SW and ST (I think the other genres are out, personally.) I think it would depend not so much on firepower, but tactics and powers related to tactics. I think Star Wars DEFINITELY has an advantage in terms of tactics and powers useable to improve tactics, like Precognition and Battle Meditation, something the ST universe simply doesn't have as a matter of course. Sure, ST has one-hit wonders in terms of this, but are we talking about them in the course of this battle?

I dunno, I just like SW more too. The Force is so versatile -- kinda like Spam. Much as I love Vulcans and Romulans, logic and ruthlessness just doesn't compare.

Ge-Ren :p

I dunno who would win between SW and ST (I think the other genres are out, personally.) I think it would depend not so much on firepower, but tactics and powers related to tactics. I think Star Wars DEFINITELY has an advantage in terms of tactics and powers useable to improve tactics, like Precognition and Battle Meditation, something the ST universe simply doesn't have as a matter of course. Sure, ST has one-hit wonders in terms of this, but are we talking about them in the course of this battle?

I dunno, I just like SW more too. The Force is so versatile -- kinda like Spam. Much as I love Vulcans and Romulans, logic and ruthlessness just doesn't compare.

Ge-Ren :p

I would say if, and only if, SW had a full contingent of Jedi (Light & Sith) SW might have a chance. otherwise, there simply isn't enough "Force Control" out there to defeat the Assimilated forces of ST.

(Without Assimilation/Borg ST I think MADD (Genisis Torps vs SDSs) would apply...)

Too unethical, though I can see Cassie or Tobias learning the ways of the Force.
It'd have to be Cassie. Tobias would be the Ascended one...Him and Daniel both seem to have the whole pathetic thing going.
Cassie's the one who's all in touch with nature and her surroundings.
Though I can see Rachael becoming a sith.

Hm...there's a thought...morphing borg...


I take Ender and raise you Duchess Honor Harrington and Lord Commander Solar Macharius. :p
I see your whomever, whom I assume are from dune?
And I raise you one Ord from "Sister Alice". For those who haven't read it, the people in Sister Alice are pretty much equal to ascended people.

But seeing as how that's kind of obscure...

I see your people, and I raise you one Arthur Dent and one Marvin!

Shh. This is about the Plausible Impossible.

I am Yoda of Borg. Metachloriens of Assimilation resist you can not.
HAHAHAHAHA!

Warhammer 40,000 has to be the most powerfull in land battles.

I'm not sure how the space fleets will measure up, but the W40k universe definately has manpower on its side.

The imperium of man (including the mighty space marine), orks, eldar, chaos, tau, and the tyranids.

Warhammer 40,000 has to be the most powerfull in land battles.

I'm not sure how the space fleets will measure up, but the W40k universe definately has manpower on its side.

The imperium of man (including the mighty space marine), orks, eldar, chaos, tau, and the tyranids.

I was a a Con once where the BattleTeckies were jabbering about how good their equipment was. I challanged them to a Combat Command scenerio played out on a topo of NTC (National Training Center) tank training area.

They dropped a strike force of heavy mechs into NTC... and were slaughtered by a platoon of M1A (Abrams) tanks.

Amazing what Smoke, HEAT and Infrared sights will do to Mech Heat Sinks.... :D

It'd have to be Cassie. Tobias would be the Ascended one...Him and Daniel both seem to have the whole pathetic thing going.
Cassie's the one who's all in touch with nature and her surroundings.
Though I can see Rachael becoming a sith.

Hm...there's a thought...morphing borg...
Lol, yeah, maybe Daniel and Tobias are long-lost uncle and nephew. Hey, it could happen! :p


I see your whomever, whom I assume are from dune?
And I raise you one Ord from "Sister Alice". For those who haven't read it, the people in Sister Alice are pretty much equal to ascended people.

But seeing as how that's kind of obscure...

I see your people, and I raise you one Arthur Dent and one Marvin!
Harrington is from David Weber's novels. Macharis is from WH40K. And I bow to your skills, sir!

I was a a Con once where the BattleTeckies were jabbering about how good their equipment was. I challanged them to a Combat Command scenerio played out on a topo of NTC (National Training Center) tank training area.

They dropped a strike force of heavy mechs into NTC... and were slaughtered by a platoon of M1A (Abrams) tanks.

Amazing what Smoke, HEAT and Infrared sights will do to Mech Heat Sinks.... :D

The battle tech universe and the Warhammer 40k universe are not related. :confused:

The battle tech universe and the Warhammer 40k universe are not related. :confused:
I know that. But Warhammer & ST/SW/B5/SG are not related either. Just pointing out how a "Tech Advantage" sometimes ain't.

I know that. But Warhammer & ST/SW/B5/SG are not related either. Just pointing out how a "Tech Advantage" sometimes ain't.
Oh i get it. There isnt so much a tech disadvantage though. Teleporters exist for example.

And incase i misunderstood you again. The advantage I was referring to was sheer numbers and firepower.

Somehow, I don't think teleporters would be very useful when Star Destroyers are able to jam sensors enough that you'd have to revert to the mk 1 eyeballs.

As far as ship to ship battles... how many crew members serve on a star destroyer?

I just read that a 40k ship can have tens of thousands on board.

As far as ship to ship battles... how many crew members serve on a star destroyer?

I just read that a 40k ship can have tens of thousands on board.
35-37,000 crew, on the top of my head. recent times, it's a lot less.

thats ok casue doctor who woudl whoop all their butts .

First of all, I'm ignoring hyper powerful ancient races like the Q, the ancients, or other omnipotent groups. There's no good way to choose between them, and usually they have strict policies of noninterference anyway.

Of the Universes listed only the forces of Star Trek and Star Wars have the capacity to maintain a serious war. Both literally have the resources of hundreds of times as many planets to draw on as the other three.

Between Star Wars and Star Trek, technologically Star Trek wins hands down. Warp technology, shields that can withstand more than one or two laser blasts, teleporters, replicators give them a huge advantage. Heck, against a Super Star Destroyer all you have to do is beam bombs into key sections of the ship, and replicators would make victory in a protracted war all but guaranteed.

Jedi wouldn't make the difference unless we're talking pre clone wars when there's enough to really shift the balance. Then it becomes mostly a question of just how far the jedi can go. Jedi do not, unlike some people think, have unlimited power without consequence, and the lives of jedi who use too much tend to end badly.

Only some of the ancients adhere to the strict rules of noninterference. Daniel Jackson, for example, has ascended and has direct access to ancient technology/knowledge. Also Anubis ascended in his own way and is now a pure energy being. There are unascended ancients who inhabit worlds; they haven't been introduced into the shows yet. Also, the wraith possess hundreds of ships, and they literally feed on human youth (Jedi wouldn’t be able to fight very well if he's 90 years old, unless its Yoda.)

Jedi's are usually loners, so they are probably easy to take out one at a time; because of their dwindling numbers they would die off pretty quick, especially since Luke is but a novice himself. The stormtroopers of the SW Empire are rather aged, middle-aged because they were cloned to be about 25-30, add 20 years of war. In all the starwars movies, there always seems to be one lone pilot whom manages to take out a capitol ship, such as the Trade Federation capital ship or the deathstars.

Battlestar Galactica would drop like a fly, they are too few and too weak, plus they are on the run.

Stargate is in a powerful position, they are positioned all over the universe, their ships are capable of FTL travel and they have more than one home planet, so if one falls there is always another one. Also, there seems to be stargates scattered across the universe for quick travel from place to place, so they can flee from hostile planets easily. The Asgard are cloners, so they could possibly raise an army in a few decades. The Asgard have large, powerful ships with superior shielding. Also, there is little that the Jedi force can do against a properly positioned Naquadah bomb which is 100x more powerful than our conventional weapons.

I don't think everyone understood this completely when I said Stargate, that includes the Goa'uld, Tokra, Asgard, Humans, and Jafah all fighting together, not just SG-1 and their one ship.

And I also mentioned these would be handicapped, meaning they would all have similar numbers of capital ships, destroyers, frigates, whatever, so that when it comes to the large ships they are on equal terms, the kicker would therefore be the fighters and there BSG and SW have a bit of an advatage, especially BSG, 300 raiders in one Battlestar and up to 250 in the Battlestar Galactica w/ 3rd Detachable Landing Bay. (Exaliber class would be have as many as 400 fighters w/ third landing bay.)

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Somehow, I don't think teleporters would be very useful when Star Destroyers are able to jam sensors enough that you'd have to revert to the mk 1 eyeballs.

If only Dune were in this competition...

because if it was, the Harkonnens would send their no-ships(they're invisible, to everything. It is as if they don't exist. Hence the name "no"-ship), knock out most of the Star Destroyer defences, then the Guild would warp their ships nearby, then warp the Star Destroyer to nowhere.

Oh, and if there were any planets nearby, the Sardaukar would overrun the defences with the help of Fance Dancers(who would infiltrate the lower population and drive them to rebel), and then I would send the Bene Gesserit to use Voice to control the enemy soldiers.

I don't think everyone understood this completely when I said Stargate, that includes the Goa'uld, Tokra, Asgard, Humans, and Jafah all fighting together, not just SG-1 and their one ship.

SGC has more than one ship, they only have one Earth designed ship. They also have fighters and orbital weapons. SG-Atlantis has puddle jumpers, but I would not be surprised if the entire city of Atlantis is one giant ship.

The immense forces line up, ready to wreak havoc on one another. Just then, the speakers crackle, and a voice says, "Oh freddled gruntbuggly..."


Advanced technology is nice, but nothing can possibly withstand the horror that came with what began with those three words.

Imperial and Rebel commanders scream in agony as the worst possible poetry in the universe emanated from the speakers. The Jedi go mad and chops at everything.

Sehr gut. Very good book, that.




Commfeeds from the battlefront drive the entire Galactic population crazy, causing everyone except a few deaf people and babies that don't understand to go mad and kill themselves or each other, whichever comes first.


Droids implode... Glowrods burst...






And a bunch of ewoks make chirring sounds and throw their spears at the speaker before they are hacked to death by a Jedi gone mad, which is stomped and ground into bits by an AT-AT crew gone mad, which is vaporized by ...




THE SECOND DEATH STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which then destroys itself in an attempt to commit suicide.

What about B-5, ST, SG-1 and BSG?

Which then destroys itself in an attempt to commit suicide.

What about B-5, ST, SG-1 and BSG?

Well, since Earthlings are the only people, beside Vogons, who can listen to such poetry, I believe SG1 will be moderately safe.... up until they are launched out into space.

woohoo!!!

THE SECOND DEATH STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Death Star= Laaaaaaaaaaaaaame

Well, since Earthlings are the only people, beside Vogons, who can listen to such poetry, I believe SG1 will be moderately safe.... up until they are launched out into space.
Arthur Dent was in pain. He was just bullshitting his way out.

Personally I think it would end in a draw, because frankly it only takes one annoying orb with a giant ego to compltely destroy pretty much everything.

By the way, H@l0 Pwn5 4ll. h@L0 4 +Eh W1n!!1!1!!






I'm sorry I apologize for the slip. I will refrain from future "1337 5p34K"

Ender's game - Does Bean have the same IQ as Path People?

Anyways - Bean and Ender are the Generals, and they decide to do insane runs with the MD Device on EVERY fleet. KaBOOM! kaBOOM! the borg is matter correct? Then Boom! They would become their basic atoms before they could learn any 'frequencies.'

Animorphs - meh. Yreek fleet sucks, Andalites are too few. Ally with Ender, they win. Dune- just get sliced up in space. And Doctered on Land. Or DSed on land. Land battle, no contest, Dune. It would be Fremen/Saudakar vs Jedi. Number's rule.

Ender's game - Does Bean have the same IQ as Path People?

Anyways - Bean and Ender are the Generals, and they decide to do insane runs with the MD Device on EVERY fleet. KaBOOM! kaBOOM! the borg is matter correct? Then Boom! They would become their basic atoms before they could learn any 'frequencies.'

Animorphs - meh. Yreek fleet sucks, Andalites are too few. Ally with Ender, they win. Dune- just get sliced up in space. And Doctered on Land. Or DSed on land. Land battle, no contest, Dune. It would be Fremen/Saudakar vs Jedi. Number's rule.

Ender and Bean are no match for Leto Atreides II!

And Dune wouldn't be sliced up in space!

Remember the Guild! The Guild will just warp a stoneburner into your ship. Instant death. (BTW-Stoneburners are like n00ks).

Of course, Dune focuses more on ground combat.

Oh ya. Well, thats around the same as Jane-Val's abilities, given a Dr. Device.

Star Wars....Now i'd like to see that Cpt. Kirk vs Darth Vader....who wins?!?!? WHO WINS!?!?!
Darth Vader, duh. He's got the Dark Side and a blood-red lightsaber, all Kirk's got is a broken phaser and bad acting.

Oh ya. Well, thats around the same as Jane-Val's abilities, given a Dr. Device.

Wait!

If Dune, with it's totally uber-shweet ground war, and Enders Game, with it's Uber-fleet, united agaist Star Wars and Star Trek, it would be invincible! Everyone knows the Trekkies are sissies, and the Star War's people are too busy killing themselves.


Long live Enders Dune Game!

I would have loved to have put in Ender's Game, but like I said, Movie/TV Series so EG was scrubbed.

No puny starfighter can outdo a Mobile Suit
ahem: Tractor beam from Star Destroyer+Star Destroyer Turbolaser batteries= Dead gundam

I would have loved to have put in Ender's Game, but like I said, Movie/TV Series so EG was scrubbed.

Then why didn't you put in Dune?

There was a Dune movie, a Dune Miniseries, and a Children of Dune Miniseries!

Becuase the Dune movie is weird?

The immense forces line up, ready to wreak havoc on one another. Just then, the speakers crackle, and a voice says, "Oh freddled gruntbuggly..."


Advanced technology is nice, but nothing can possibly withstand the horror that came with what began with those three words.

Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits
on a lurgid bee.
Groop I implore thee
my foonting turlingdromes,
and hooptiously drangle me
with crinkly bindlewurdles.
Or will I rend the
in the globberwarts
with my blurglecruncheon?
See if I don't!

-Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz

ahem: Tractor beam from Star Destroyer+Star Destroyer Turbolaser batteries= Dead gundam
tractor beams woudl also destroy any fighters that came at the larger ships. This makes Ties and Xwings useless against ST starships. Though a B-wing might eb able too fight one off but they do nto ahve the arsenol or shields to go toe to toe against a starship.

ahem: Tractor beam from Star Destroyer+Star Destroyer Turbolaser batteries= Dead gundamMoble Suites/Moble Armor + Zireski Particles = Ineffective Turbofire, Ineffective Tractor Beams, ineffective scanners.

add Newtype powers and say goodbye to snub fighters... and the GX999 and the moble Bit Suites and you can say goodbye to Captial Ships.

Becuase the Dune movie is weird?

...And I'm supposing the last thing you want of SF is weirdness?

I should just go stick my head in the oven.

No, wait - I'll stick your head in the oven

LOL

I feel I must reiterate that Star Trek automatically beats anybody.

Tribbles are the ultimate weapon. :D

I feel I must reiterate that Star Trek automatically beats anybody.

Tribbles are the ultimate weapon. :DOk... That I'll concede... he he he... wonder what will happen when the borg assimulate it's first Tribble. :D

I do not see any problems with this question as it is formulated. Open battle (w/o talking about guerrila warfare or something like that). Five forces.
Imperial Navy destroys everything. At the time of original 3 episodes Imperial Navy consisted of about 25 thousand ISD. Several times more of transport ships (shuttles and cruisers) and hundreds times more of tie fighters.

Does other Universes has really something to put against that? Teleporters? Oh well they can teleport inside ISDs (and they do not deal with TIEs), and fight with (25k ships times 35-37 k personnel pership) almost billion fleet personnel. Is teleporter unlimited?
Of course StarTrek guys will kill several ISDs or turn them against themselves. So what? Borg ships will absorbē and be immune against TIEs? Nice. TIEs will deal with other ships and afterwards will attack Borgs with ramming in them if need be.

Fusion spheres shoot down several ISDs and then they are shot down themselves by thousands of heavy turbolasers.
Black holes? Well yeah, Imperial Navy can fight with them also (YV)...

In few minutes after start of the battle every targetable ship will be destroyed. Invisible ships maybe will be alive (if they don’t move) and there will be bunch of infiltration teams in bunch of ISDs. Which are promptly killed afterwards.


And do not ask for allies and enemies alike from one Universe (like humāns and borgs) from SW. Jedi Masters and Sith Lords, Death Stars, Centerpoint and several SSDs gonna own them all. And then come Yuuzhan Vong. Assimilate their worldships, and battle cruisers in length of ten kilometers and with power to create black holes that can absorb heavy turbolasers. Assimilate that.

Imperial Navy destroys everything. At the time of original 3 episodes Imperial Navy consisted of about 25 thousand ISD. Several times more of transport ships (shuttles and cruisers) and hundreds times more of tie fighters.
Does other Universes has really something to put against that? .

Babylon 5. Vorlons. Shadows. 'Nuf said ;)

Actually I typed much more but the forum logged me out when I posted :( Basicly my reasoning was (maybe I'll retype):

If the "god" races can participate it boils down to SG:Ancients vs ST:Q, wormhole aliens etc. Since the Q often argue amongst themselves the Ancients have an advantage - but there are many more "godlike" races in StarTrek.

If the "uber" races can participate it boils down to B5:Vorlons & Shadows vs ST:Borg and SG:Asgard/replicators. There is no contest here - B5 would slaughter all. The only really effective defense against shadows is telepats - which the ST universe has, but the Vorlons have no problem with those. The Borg could not assimilate species 8472, and since The Vorlons and Shadowtechnology is very similar (let's rephrase: 8472 was obviously a blatant ripoff IMO) they would also be defeated. And of course, they have more planetkillers than the SW empire ;)

If only the common races can participate, and we again include the Asgard, it would be tough. I think B5:Minbari and SG:Asgard are evenly matched. I do not know the relative strength of pyramid ships - but since the B5 universe has less races with truly advanced ships or huge fleets they will have a disadvantage. I think the StarTrek universe combined has a decent chance - teleporter and cloaking technology will be important. The peacekeepers... no, sorry. Too small a military, especially when compared to that of the StarWars empire. SW is also the only one with truly effective planetdestroyers at this point.

ST: Krenim timeship.


OMG, not only i read all pages but i posted here too :eek:

I know these weren't mentioned at the start, but anyway... Hitchhiker's Guide has the infinite improbability drive, which can make anything with the slightest probability of happening happen.
Dune would also do well- the face dancers at the end of the saga are practically indetectable and they have teleportation. Teleporting an atomic onto an enemy ship would definately do a lot of damage.

Death-star

Dune would kick all ass's

mua'dib
lettoII
house corino
harrkonens
tlelexu
IXians
benigeserat
spaceing guild
all the duncans
saur'dakar
feydekin
and most of all MELANGE

tractor beams woudl also destroy any fighters that came at the larger ships. This makes Ties and Xwings useless against ST starships. Though a B-wing might eb able too fight one off but they do nto ahve the arsenol or shields to go toe to toe against a starship.
Well, the Star Wars people would just use their cap ships to take out the wimpy Star Trek ones, and the Star Wars fighters could take out any equally wimpy Star Trek fighters, I'm not including the others because I think we all realize that it would come down to Star Wars vs Star Trek.

Actually, I think the Imperium from Warhammer 40,000 would win, although it's not an option.

Then why didn't you put in Dune?

There was a Dune movie, a Dune Miniseries, and a Children of Dune Miniseries!

I have only ever heard of the book(s) and video games.

Once again, numbers are handicapped so as to put the fleets on as nearly even playing fields as possible. Sorry Star Wars fans and Trekkies, you don't get to use all of your tens of thousands of ships.

ok, given an even number of ships, it is star wars by more

a death star is one ship

a super star destroyer is one ship

no contest

Judging by everyone's uberweapons, I saw we go into inter-galactic MAD, leading to all of them dying completely. Then, it turns out that Jar-Jar survived, just out of spite for all of us. SW wins (if you can call that a win), we all lose.

Wait.

You pit Vorlons, Shadows, and the First Ones, along with all of the B5 league worlds against any of them, they'd crush all who would oppose them.

Death star VS Vorlon Planet killer? This match up yields a sea of charred white stormtrooper helmets floating in the vast vacuum of space.

I love how people so underestimate SW ships. Those gigaton range figures AREN'T based only on some author making it up, they're based on observed effects in the movies. Then take into account the fact that SW ships have shields that can take this kind of fire power. Star Wars rolls right over pretty much every other space navy and then does some BDZ's on any places they lost the ground battle.


When it comes to god-races, it's the Ancients versus the Q. The Q attempt to cause the Ancients to cease to exist, the Ancients counter and try the same, and it just keeps going and going and going and going and going ad infinitum.

EDIT: In fact, as a side-note, the only fiction I've encountered that can compare is WH40K, and even they are underpowered in comparison. Of course, the Chaos Gods tip the balance in their favor, but whatever.

I still voted SG-1, Ancients > all ;)

Okay once you consider the Vong, the Tof, the Yevetha, the Chiss, and Killiks SW definetly wins just because the Vong, and Chiss would kick anyone's butt by themselves!
I mean come on they toppled the New Rupublic, and the GA only allied themselves with the Chiss so they don't get owned.

Um... Star Wars fails. George Lucas is now more obsessed with milking more money off the franchise (i.e. digital animated movie "Clone Wars") and I don't like that. Battlestar Galactica overrules all. Seriously, BSG is much more realistic with real acting and real personality.

Stargate SG-1 has had way too many episodes and fail episodes to be the best (though I still like the series). Star Trek (original) is just plain weird (I saw an episode with space cowboys, wtf?). Babylon 5 is dead.

Okay once you consider the Vong, the Tof, the Yevetha, the Chiss, and Killiks SW definetly wins just because the Vong, and Chiss would kick anyone's butt by themselves!
I mean come on they toppled the New Rupublic, and the GA only allied themselves with the Chiss so they don't get owned.

true that!:D

We are Borg!
Resistance is futile!
The Trekies would triumph....especially if Q would play seriously.
Picard's ingenuity woudl help of course.
The Star Wars crew are full of derring-do and they would have the Jedi wisdom but can anything defeat the Borg when their powersa of assimilation are so advanced?

Star Trek cannot lose.

THey have the capacity to fight at superluminal speeds. Since no one else has FTL weapons, ST deploys one shuttlecraft vs. ALL of the ships of ALL of the others and still wins.

Since this is all of Star Trek vs all of Star Wars, etc, its obvious. Q + superbeings = win. However, I must acknowledge the Ascended from Star Gate. Superbeings vs Superbeings is tough. While we don't know all about the full capabilities of either, their limits appear to be largely self-imposed (especially the Ancients). If we rashly assume true omnipotence, then its presumably a draw.

Without such beings, the others go down hard and fast.

That said, however, their are a lot of errors in this thread, and rather than go through it all one at a time I'll just point out some that stood out to me.

1. Star Wars has shielding. Shields on the hanger doors of Grievious's ship, Death Star Shield, Hoth Shield, Destroyer Droid Shields, hell even the X-wings and the Falcon have "deflectors".

2. The Borg cannot assimilate everything. Not even in their own Universe.

I'll edit in others as I find them.:)

Oh wait, I didn't see how old this was. Awaiting locking in three, two, one...:)

In terms of actual capability, Vader, every time.
But Kirks got kirk-fu, which automatically wins. it's cheating, and I don't like it one bit, but it's the LAW.

Light Anti-tank Weapon?

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Star Trek cannot lose.

THey have the capacity to fight at superluminal speeds. Since no one else has FTL weapons, ST deploys one shuttlecraft vs. ALL of the ships of ALL of the others and still wins.

The shuttle runs out of fuel before dropping the first Star Destroyer's shields.;)