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There is a new movie coming out next year that I am sure will upset many people. The movie is named "The Beast". While it is still in pre-production, it has raised quite a few eyebrows, christian and athiest alike. The basic plot is that Jesus never existed, and the whole Christian religion is but a conspiracy theory.

The official movie page:
http://www.thebeastmovie.com/about/index.html

The IMDB page:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433338/

What are your opinions on this movie? Please be civil.

I'm interested (mostly in an entertainment sense, since I can't see it having enough credibility to support much outside of that), but not looking forward to the backlash it will experience from the religious right. I can hear them now... *sighs* :rolleyes:

It sounds fascinating, quite honestly. I can see that it will probably get a lot of public attention, not much of it in the was of a positive nature...but I'll certainly go and see it.

But then, I'm an atheist...even if Jesus did live at one point, he wasn't the son of a god who doesn't exist. :)

They are going to get flamed hard in the media. They should just call it "Flamebait"

You made a typo in the title saying "aid" instead of "air", and I thought for a minute there that you were cooking up some sort of doomsday theory.
:D

What do I think about it? I think it will stir up a massive hornet's nest...

6/6/06

What a fitting date.

I've actually been wondering if anything will happen...it being the number of the beast after all...

666 baby!

Ten bucks says it gets pushed back and doesnt get released on 6 6

This should be neat.

This is nothing new. John Carpenter's masterpiece "The Prince of Darkness" used the same premise that religion was just a cover up to hide the truth from the masses.

Seems very interesting. I most certainly will hope to attend a showing of it.

From an unbiased view, and someone who thinks Christianity is wrong, it looks like it's going to be a horrible movie.

It's not just inflammatory, but also downright innacurate. For one, even the most hardcore of athiests agree that a man named Jesus existed. No one denies the existence of Mohammed, Buddha, or Confucius, even though no firm archaeological evidence exists. Besides, why would anyone just create Jesus out of thin air one day? He certainly preached something against the grain of thought of that time.

I can't see this one going down too well... if the BBC can be sued for the Jerry Springer Opera for being not very nice to Christians, and this is coming out two years later... where I don't think that situations going to improve any.... It's all going to end in tears, and it'll be a resounding victory for the knee jerkers who can't stand to see their views disagreed with. That's just my view though, and I hope I ain't right.

it will be condemned as bad and a disgrace for months until its showing, then it will be packed with Christians who, after watching the whole thing, will go online and complain about how it degraded Christianity and no one should watch it

Jesus Christ never existed? That sounds like a stretch, but that won't stop me from seeing it. I figure just about everyone will see it no matter what they think of it.

I can't think of a better advertisement then that movie's web site. There is absolutely no way you can get more people interested in a movie without naked women being involved.

You made a typo in the title saying "aid" instead of "air", and I thought for a minute there that you were cooking up some sort of doomsday theory.
:D

What do I think about it? I think it will stir up a massive hornet's nest...

Gah! spelling mistake :(

One simple statement:

I'm a Christian, so I'll be with those "Flamethrowers" or whatever they were. Now, in debate, let me say this. Those who suspect Revelation to be a wacko-conspiracy theory should look at what the enemies of Christianity propose: That the religion is a conspiracy.

Just an interesting comment, but someone will probably rip into me for it! :) Oh well . . .

Whether this will turn out to be a big movie is yet to be seen, this could very well turn out to be one of those straight to TV movies.

As a christian and therefore despised member of a generally loathed group, I think it sounds like an interesting movie and if it come to Japan would certainly go see it. I like all these religion as conspiracy films, fun stuff. Also when someone messes with the traditions of my faith I really don't care. It is all interesting to discuss and think about. There is nothing that is so dangerous that it can't be talked about.

sounds pretty cool, will definatley watch.


where's Jesussaves when you want him? ;)

As a christian and therefore despised member of a generally loathed group, I think it sounds like an interesting movie and if it come to Japan would certainly go see it. I like all these religion as conspiracy films, fun stuff. Also when someone messes with the traditions of my faith I really don't care. It is all interesting to discuss and think about. There is nothing that is so dangerous that it can't be talked about.
A Japanese Christian? Tell me, are you guys a large community at all?

this is hilarious

it's a direct response to passion of the christ.

If you were Satan, would you make a really blatantly evil doctrine, or something that claims to be good and just isnt quite right?

Could Christainity be the latter?

What do you mean, Pure Metal?

Movies based on religion tend to suck overall...people want to watch them, but i can't think of a good one.

Although if you were to make a movie based on Joshua's conquest in Ancient Canaan, and tried not to dulge in the religion too much, it could be a very good action movie. :)

oh wait, i thought of a good religious movie!

10 Commandments! Starting Charles Heston! :D

I love that movie, watch it every year when it comes out around Pesach(Passover) time.

What do you mean, Pure Metal?
ah sorry, in-joke. a poster on here called Jesussaves is very... pro-christian, alright guy, writes interesting threads :)

Well, if you're Muslim or Hindu or whatever that's true. But, I, as do those Hindus and Muslims, believe that I am right. Not intolerant, just a simple tenet of believing something. And, as Christians, we don't hate others, as in hating homosexuals or whatever. As I have been taught: Hate the sin but love the sinner.

No, what if Satan came to Earth as "Jesus" and taught something that wasn't completely wrong, just a tinge off. Then, this was passed off as Eternal Truth and became Christianity

All right, I was in the dark on that, as I am to everything in these forums. My nation is experienced, though, and I like sticking to regional forums. This thread just caught my attention.

Some how I get the feeling this thread (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433338/board/nest/14172627) will be more interesting the actual film.

Some how I get the feeling this thread (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433338/board/nest/14172627) will be more interesting the actual film.
LMAO @ pop-up Kama Sutra. I want one of thsoe just for the laughs. Pull the little tabs and the people..yeah...

No, what if Satan came to Earth as "Jesus" and taught something that wasn't completely wrong, just a tinge off. Then, this was passed off as Eternal Truth and became Christianity


Well, I don't believe that for several reasons, although it is a . . . ahem . . . "thought-provoking" statement. For one, if I believed that, then what would be the point of being a Christian? Next, Jesus's principles don't espouse principles that Satan would, in my mind, embody. If he was trying to deceive, he might go down that road, but I think someone would have caught on by now. And, finally, any obvious deceptions of Satan, which, btw, you guys probably wouldn't think to be "obvious," are pretty straight-forward. They usually incorporate plays upon public curiousity and, most times, ultimately mock God. So, no, I don't think that's possible in this case, although it has undoubtedly happened. Now that you've got Armany's theological thoughts for the day . . .

A Japanese Christian? Tell me, are you guys a large community at all?

I'm not Japanese, I am a USian. My wife is Japanese. There are very few Japanese christians though. My wife is an atheist.

Well, I don't believe that for several reasons, although it is a . . . ahem . . . "thought-provoking" statement. For one, if I believed that, then what would be the point of being a Christian? Next, Jesus's principles don't espouse principles that Satan would, in my mind, embody. If he was trying to deceive, he might go down that road, but I think someone would have caught on by now. And, finally, any obvious deceptions of Satan, which, btw, you guys probably wouldn't think to be "obvious," are pretty straight-forward. They usually incorporate plays upon public curiousity and, most times, ultimately mock God. So, no, I don't think that's possible in this case, although it has undoubtedly happened. Now that you've got Armany's theological thoughts for the day . . .
Well if you are Jewish and don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, it wouldn't be too hard to consider all of it as mocking God

All right, I was in the dark on that, as I am to everything in these forums. My nation is experienced, though, and I like sticking to regional forums. This thread just caught my attention.
hey dont worry about it :)

Well if you are Jewish and don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, it wouldn't be too hard to consider all of it as mocking God

Indeed, IHC, and therein lies the controversy of religion. You simply have to find something that you know to be right, then run with it. As for me, I have no doubts in the world that Christ is Messiah. I believe that I'm right. Others believe differently. I think they're wrong. It's just a principle of religion, something that comes with the territory. I am, contrary to how that sounded, tolerant, in the true sense of the word. I will not hate a Jewish man or woman because they don't believe in Jesus; I won't deny that I'll try to convince them, but I will respect them. That said, I'm not going to apologize for being a Christian. A very intriguing subject, nevertheless.

There are VERY few respectable historians who dont think there was a person named Jesus, they might not think he was God, but its the same with alot of other major religious figures (Aside from Ra and similar).
If Christianity is a conspiracy its not a very good one, its had 2000 years to do what it was going to do. Generaly conspiracies are designed for the gain of the living members.
Anyway, everybody knows the Catholic church is almost %90 vampire hunters, demon slayers, and guys in trenchcoats who exorcize everybody. Not exactly subtle, eh?

Indeed, IHC, and therein lies the controversy of religion. You simply have to find something that you know to be right, then run with it. As for me, I have no doubts in the world that Christ is Messiah. I believe that I'm right. Others believe differently. I think they're wrong. It's just a principle of religion, something that comes with the territory. I am, contrary to how that sounded, tolerant, in the true sense of the word. I will not hate a Jewish man or woman because they don't believe in Jesus; I won't deny that I'll try to convince them, but I will respect them. That said, I'm not going to apologize for being a Christian. A very intriguing subject, nevertheless.
You will respect the, yet try to convince them? Am I the only one here who sees these two statements as contradictory?

I'm not Japanese, I am a USian. My wife is Japanese. There are very few Japanese christians though. My wife is an atheist.
Oh, I see. I was just thrown off by the fact that you live in Japan.

Is it a documentary? No. It's friggin fiction. It's a movie, made by the machine in Hollywood, to make money. Obviously there are people in Hollywood who think that this will make them a lot of money. That's their only motivation. They aren't trying to expose Christianity or disprove Jesus Christ or anything. They're trying to make money, plain and simple.

Is it a documentary? No. It's friggin fiction. It's a movie, made by the machine in Hollywood, to make money. Obviously there are people in Hollywood who think that this will make them a lot of money. That's their only motivation. They aren't trying to expose Christianity or disprove Jesus Christ or anything. They're trying to make money, plain and simple.

Bingo! I never can figure why so many people get uptight about these films. It is like that The Day After Tomorrow film, protestors and leaflet handy greenys and websites devoted to spreading the movie's message or debunking it. Its just a movie for godssake.

*sighs*

Here I go into another long, long statement.

First, a question, IHC: What is respect? Is respect simply acknowledging another as an equal human-being, treating them kindly, or just being plain-out nice and courteous to a person? If so, then, yes, I do respect anyone who does not endanger my freedom or safety and who is sensible. If respect is being forced to say, "You know what, there is no right; I'm not right, and neither are you," then, heck no, that's not my kind of respect. That's called being politically-correct, and being a moral relativist. So, no, if you define "respect" as what the latter definition espouses. For me, I believe that the former definition of respect is right. I see no other way to "respect" someone.

This is quickly becoming a heated debate, eh?

Wow,

I'd like to see this movie, just for the sheer fact that I have another story to tell my great-grandchildren when I'm 80 and half-dead on my rocking chair.

Is it a documentary? No. It's friggin fiction. It's a movie, made by the machine in Hollywood, to make money. Obviously there are people in Hollywood who think that this will make them a lot of money. That's their only motivation. They aren't trying to expose Christianity or disprove Jesus Christ or anything. They're trying to make money, plain and simple.
God Bless the few who still think logically.

Armany out here, I'll check this tomorrow.

bump.

It sounds like the Da Vinci code, only attempting to be more controversial. And probably crappy.

Oh, and like 9/11/01, your offspring will expect you to have done some batshit crazy things on that day, or at least have a bloody funny excuse. Otherwise your going to be a hell of a disappointment to their friends at birthday parties.

Quote From The Site:
"There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived."
Excuse me? What about Roman records? And Jewish ones? There are both birth and execution records, as well as a crapload of other references.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the Da Vinci code, the book was most excellent, I'm just saying this film seems to be riding the Da Vinci Wave to try and make some $$$$$$

Actually, I'm pretty sure there are Roman accounts of a Jesus being killed, and he was probably real, just not, in my opinion, god, his son, or a prophet.

I wouldn't be surprised if this movie never gets finished. Just squashed early on, remembered only in memories and old forum threads....

If it does get released....man, I can just hear the protestors condemning the filmakers, writers, and viewers of the film to hell. It would suck for people who would go see it, like myself, but who would want to miss all that spectacle?

Quote From The Site:
"There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived."
Excuse me? What about Roman records? And Jewish ones? There are both birth and execution records, as well as a crapload of other references.

I'm not saying I agree with the movie's premise, but I remember reading something how Jesus was a very common name then. Those records could be mistaken, or, if you wanna listen to the conspiracy theorists, faked...

Don't get me wrong, I loved the Da Vinci code, the book was most excellent, I'm just saying this film seems to be riding the Da Vinci Wave to try and make some $$$$$$
There's nothing "Da Vinci Code" about this movie. The premise of the DVC is that Jesus made babies and his bloodline lives on today. It's kind of the exact opposite of the idea that he never existed.
I'm amused by the fact that the filmmakers seemed to have overlooked the logic that if there was no Jesus, there could be no "beast" of Revelations. As John received the visions from an angel sent specifically by Jesus Christ. (That's what it says in the book anyway). So "the beast" is what? The Church? Okay ... yawn.
Just another piece of cinematic garbage that already insults my intelligence by not having a well-thought-out plot at all.

I'm not saying I agree with the movie's premise, but I remember reading something how Jesus was a very common name then. Those records could be mistaken, or, if you wanna listen to the conspiracy theorists, faked...
Actually, the man's name was "Yeshua" which is historically accurate and properly used by Gibson in "TPOTC."
I think it's pretty stupid to theorize that the man didn't exist. His life is pretty well documented. The whole system of how we number our years is based on his life and death. That should speak for something. You can all debate forever about whether or not he was the Christ/Messiah/Son of God, but it's ludicrous so argue that he didn't even live.

I don't know about all of you but I think this just looks like an anti-history movie, although it does try to make itself look factual. It would be the same if someone made a movie with the premise that Hitler won WWII, and how this affected the world. What if Jesus never existed, and there was some giant Christian conspiracy. Its an interesting premise, nothing more. Though the trailer was really, really crappy.

Actually, the man's name was "Yeshua" which is historically accurate and properly used by Gibson in "TPOTC."
I think it's pretty stupid to theorize that the man didn't exist. His life is pretty well documented. The whole system of how we number our years is based on his life and death. That should speak for something. You can all debate forever about whether or not he was the Christ/Messiah/Son of God, but it's ludicrous so argue that he didn't even live.

Technically, the Gregorian calendar didnt even exist until centuries after year 0. Jesus' death didnt cause everyone to wake up the next morning and say "Let's change our entire calendar because some guy died in the middle east."

I believe the gregorian calendar officially came into effect in 1582, if I recall correctly.

i think that jesus existed. as for god i dont really belive in "it" but i do belive there is the possibility for a "god" to exist