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Gulf War reasons and U.S. Intrests

Candylandia
28-02-2005, 06:38
Nope, read my post again, only slower this time...
I said that freeing innocents, Kurds, freedom, liberty blah blah blah was what the first gulf war was about, and it was sort of backed by the international community...it was a reply to an international incident involving two countries (IRAQ AND kUWAIT)

What I subsequently said was that the second Iraqi war had none of those characteristics...put simply it was a money/oil grab (whats that movie with George Cloney called, The Three Kings?)

Your all idiots im sorry. Lets go back to the 30's when oil was looking like the best thing a country could have. The U.S.A. had a lot but we knew it wouldnt last so we looked abroad (not our government companies, capitalistic countrys kick so much ass i love em). So now we have a country looking for oil. Half a world away we have a king who discovers that his country has no water, but instead it has a shitload of oil. This king decides to export this, and who shows up at his door....American foreign investors. They strike this deal the Americans and the King of this country, the deal says that we will give you oil at a nice discount and your companies can have their crummy little hands on all the oil they want, as long as you provide us protection.

Ten years and billions of barrels of oil later, we have Saudi Arabia with 3 main American military bases. These bases and this deal between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia bring us to the basis about the 1st gulf war. You see when Saddam Hussein and his Tyrannical Iraq invaded Kuwait, the king of Saudi Arabia got a little wet in his pants. He went to the U.S. proclaiming that we stop Saddam from getting any closer to his country, (Kuwait is shares a nice border with Saudi Arabia, and so does Iraq, and now one of the countrys has just gotten taken over by a mad man with an over grown mustache). So what does George Bush do with his life long buisness partner and governmental ally (who in all cases is just as BAD as Sadam Hussein) he keeps the U.S.A. deal that has been set in stone and backed by every U.S. administration since FDR, well the 1st Bush invades Kuwait, and saves Saudi Arabias ass, and to make sure it doesnt happen again he invades iraq, a nice big chunk of it. And being the U.S. we had to justify this war, so we slapped on a bunch of human rights crimes to the American Public, and the White House PR has done a job well done.

So now we go onto what the second war was supposadly about (spelling). This Bush just like Clinton and the 1st Bush, still supports this treaty with Saudi Arabia, cause we have all scene what happens when Saudi Arabia stops giving us oil (oil prices rise....happened really badly in the 70's and happens everyday on the news in incraments of a few dollars up or down, it controls our economy this black carbon). So the second bush not happy with his fathers lack of finishing the job, with the wanting of more oil and in the intrests of American Companies Nation Wide (and also to get our minds of of the shitter economy) decides that it would be in the best intrest of the world and the American People, to invade.

Invade? he cant just do that can he? doesnt he need some basis to invade off of?

Why yes he does. And we got a couple of reasons of why he invaded. Number one: That Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction. So Bush goes to the U.N. (with Collin powels famously innacurate speach) to sway them that Iraq has WMD's. The U.N. thinks and decides that they should send weapons inspectors over. Bush gets ancy on the trigger and decides to only give the weapons inspectors 3 monthes to search a country the size of texas high and low to find these WMD's. Three monthes goes by and there is no sign of them (all tho we did find some canisters that looked liked they had something good, but when examined closely i think they only had like cambells soup or something stupid)...The U.S. invades without U.N. approvel (but seriously come on the U.N. is a joke when it comes to U.S. foreign policy). Shock and Awe inspired the world that once again the U.S. can fucking kick any countrys ass an look DAMN good doing it. But no WMD's....two monthes of invasion turn into 6 and nothing. Bush realizes "o' shit, we can't find em' "...Bush needs a new way to divert attention from the lack of weapons....But what? What good thing has come out of this war?

We freed the iraqi people! Thats right we freed them, and thats the stance Bush number 2 has taken on this war...and hes dragged the country with him. These are the reasons We got for invasion. But really we were just trying to save our oil in Saudi Arabia...and shit gain some more oil from Iraq!

Americans are blind when it comes to the world. Other than world war 2, which even than we did not enter until our ass was finally set on fire, the United States of America have not EVER entered a war where our foreign economic intrests have not been in danger. Even the war of 1812 was about us securing our rights to trade, the civil war was many reasons i beleive but one of them definently was a difference in the economies of the north and south, the spanish war was once again the threat of foreign intrests, world war one, was again our shipping (countries being invaded and millions dying came second once we entered the war), world war 2 (same thing somewhat as number one...oh yeah we also had many U.S. companies making BIG deals with Nazi Germany so we had our ties with them) Korean war, to stop the spread of communism (still didnt care about the people of Korea), and also to protect our trade with japan and the china sea area. Vietnam war was to stop the spread of communism we didnt go in to save people we had our chance not to even make war in the area when Ho Chi Minh made a proposition with Eisenhower about how he wanted a U.S. backed government in North Vietnam, when we declined his offer since we didnt like him and we rather have the money driven dictator in south Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh went to the Soviet Union, they backed him and he went communist, all he wanted was freedom from colonialization, and the Soviet Union gave him that (I mean for example think of Ho Chi Minh with Cambodia and the U.S.) I could keep going with Panama, Guatemala, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Palestine....The people come second, and our Material good asses and the intrests of the few with the money ALWAYS will come first.
Keruvalia
28-02-2005, 06:59
Your all idiots

Pro tip: This is not a good way to start off when you're trying to look like you know what you're talking about.
Gadolinia
28-02-2005, 07:05
Your all idiots im sorry.

i quit reading here. :rolleyes:
Kelleda
28-02-2005, 07:24
Where the hell is the "Make this make sense" button...

THERE it is. *dink* And it shorted out.

Not good, Candylandia, not good at all.
BLARGistania
28-02-2005, 07:25
okay, it was a pretty good post, but you got a little ahead of yourself there.

You're all idiots. I'm sorry

corrected for grammar. I try to do my best too.

Did Iraq have any weapons? Well, obviously, Saddam used them to gas the Kurds. America gave Saddam cannisters of nerve gas and other fun chemical toys during the '80's for the Iraq-Iran war. Did he make any new WMDs though? Americans really haven't found anything. Neither did the UN weapons inspectors. So, what happened to the WMDs that we (the administration) thought Saddam had?

and what exactly did you mean by this


(not our government companies, capitalistic countrys kick so much ass i love em)


I didn't seem to get the point of the sentance.

"Shock and Awe" as GWB called it actually wasn't much of a shock and awe move. We launched a few missiles and called it the beginning of the war. Where was the shock and awe? I certainly didn;t feel any watching endless hours of a building in downtown Baghdad where nothing happened. Wasn't the city supposed to burn or something like that?


the United States of America have not EVER entered a war where our foreign economic intrests have not been in danger

No. Really? Has there ever been a war that was not fought for economic purposes? Even the religious wars were land grabs to gain important areas for tourism or resources.


The people come second, and our Material good asses and the intrests of the few with the money ALWAYS will come first.


Well, it swings both ways. In modern times, people won't be willing to support (i.e. pay for) a war on which the basis is "give me more money". Its just seen as poor taste. So, we butter it up and make it a war of freedom. In essence, it is our money coming first, but in purpose, it becomes the people first.



For future reference: you supported both sides of argument. Pick one side and stay on it, you'll get further in life by not being a fence-sitter.
Evil Arch Conservative
28-02-2005, 07:53
I made a post on this very subject last month. Let me see if I can dig up the article I referenced from and blow your shit out of the water.

Edit: Found the website. Food for thought. (http://www.indepthinfo.com/iraq/kuwait.shtml) That's a pretty neat website. It needs to be bookmarked.
My Romania
28-02-2005, 08:23
Your all idiots im sorry. Lets go back to the 30's when oil was looking like the best thing a country could have. The U.S.A. had a lot but we knew it wouldnt last so we looked abroad (not our government companies, capitalistic countrys kick so much ass i love em). So now we have a country looking for oil. Half a world away we have a king who discovers that his country has no water, but instead it has a shitload of oil. This king decides to export this, and who shows up at his door....American foreign investors. They strike this deal the Americans and the King of this country, the deal says that we will give you oil at a nice discount and your companies can have their crummy little hands on all the oil they want, as long as you provide us protection.

Ten years and billions of barrels of oil later, we have Saudi Arabia with 3 main American military bases. These bases and this deal between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia bring us to the basis about the 1st gulf war. You see when Saddam Hussein and his Tyrannical Iraq invaded Kuwait, the king of Saudi Arabia got a little wet in his pants. He went to the U.S. proclaiming that we stop Saddam from getting any closer to his country, (Kuwait is shares a nice border with Saudi Arabia, and so does Iraq, and now one of the countrys has just gotten taken over by a mad man with an over grown mustache). So what does George Bush do with his life long buisness partner and governmental ally (who in all cases is just as BAD as Sadam Hussein) he keeps the U.S.A. deal that has been set in stone and backed by every U.S. administration since FDR, well the 1st Bush invades Kuwait, and saves Saudi Arabias ass, and to make sure it doesnt happen again he invades iraq, a nice big chunk of it. And being the U.S. we had to justify this war, so we slapped on a bunch of human rights crimes to the American Public, and the White House PR has done a job well done.

So now we go onto what the second war was supposadly about (spelling). This Bush just like Clinton and the 1st Bush, still supports this treaty with Saudi Arabia, cause we have all scene what happens when Saudi Arabia stops giving us oil (oil prices rise....happened really badly in the 70's and happens everyday on the news in incraments of a few dollars up or down, it controls our economy this black carbon). So the second bush not happy with his fathers lack of finishing the job, with the wanting of more oil and in the intrests of American Companies Nation Wide (and also to get our minds of of the shitter economy) decides that it would be in the best intrest of the world and the American People, to invade.

Invade? he cant just do that can he? doesnt he need some basis to invade off of?

Why yes he does. And we got a couple of reasons of why he invaded. Number one: That Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction. So Bush goes to the U.N. (with Collin powels famously innacurate speach) to sway them that Iraq has WMD's. The U.N. thinks and decides that they should send weapons inspectors over. Bush gets ancy on the trigger and decides to only give the weapons inspectors 3 monthes to search a country the size of texas high and low to find these WMD's. Three monthes goes by and there is no sign of them (all tho we did find some canisters that looked liked they had something good, but when examined closely i think they only had like cambells soup or something stupid)...The U.S. invades without U.N. approvel (but seriously come on the U.N. is a joke when it comes to U.S. foreign policy). Shock and Awe inspired the world that once again the U.S. can fucking kick any countrys ass an look DAMN good doing it. But no WMD's....two monthes of invasion turn into 6 and nothing. Bush realizes "o' shit, we can't find em' "...Bush needs a new way to divert attention from the lack of weapons....But what? What good thing has come out of this war?

We freed the iraqi people! Thats right we freed them, and thats the stance Bush number 2 has taken on this war...and hes dragged the country with him. These are the reasons We got for invasion. But really we were just trying to save our oil in Saudi Arabia...and shit gain some more oil from Iraq!

Americans are blind when it comes to the world. Other than world war 2, which even than we did not enter until our ass was finally set on fire, the United States of America have not EVER entered a war where our foreign economic intrests have not been in danger. Even the war of 1812 was about us securing our rights to trade, the civil war was many reasons i beleive but one of them definently was a difference in the economies of the north and south, the spanish war was once again the threat of foreign intrests, world war one, was again our shipping (countries being invaded and millions dying came second once we entered the war), world war 2 (same thing somewhat as number one...oh yeah we also had many U.S. companies making BIG deals with Nazi Germany so we had our ties with them) Korean war, to stop the spread of communism (still didnt care about the people of Korea), and also to protect our trade with japan and the china sea area. Vietnam war was to stop the spread of communism we didnt go in to save people we had our chance not to even make war in the area when Ho Chi Minh made a proposition with Eisenhower about how he wanted a U.S. backed government in North Vietnam, when we declined his offer since we didnt like him and we rather have the money driven dictator in south Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh went to the Soviet Union, they backed him and he went communist, all he wanted was freedom from colonialization, and the Soviet Union gave him that (I mean for example think of Ho Chi Minh with Cambodia and the U.S.) I could keep going with Panama, Guatemala, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Palestine....The people come second, and our Material good asses and the intrests of the few with the money ALWAYS will come first.


Candylandia i would like to congratulate you.
you are the 1st i met in this forums that really understands the problem.
and if you are also american u have cleared the honor of all thouse americans i have met and have no ideea why the hell they atack they conquer they divide or they back up on anythin and believe all they hear on mass-media
i didnt read any posts from your fellows americans yet but i am pretty sure that there will be more than enough (or none coz they cant understand )that will try to convince you that you are wrong. ill just have a nice lecture of this thread.. as i now (for the 1st time) am convinced that NOT ALL americans are ignorants and "flocks"
CONGRATULATIONS.
:p
[NS]Ein Deutscher
28-02-2005, 09:25
You got that quite right there. Although your grammar sucks ;)
My Romania
28-02-2005, 09:29
if you are talkin to me u must know i learned english by looking at Cartoon Network :)
[NS]Ein Deutscher
28-02-2005, 09:30
if you are talkin to me u must know i learned english by looking at Cartoon Network :)
Nope. I mean the thread starter :D Your grammar sucks too, however and your post lacks proper punctuation.
My Romania
28-02-2005, 09:32
Ein Deutscher']Nope. I mean the thread starter :D Your grammar sucks too, however and your post lacks proper punctuation.
Well..at list im not an american. :) So i really believe my grammar is far better then his romanian grammar. :rolleyes:
The Alma Mater
28-02-2005, 09:48
Did Iraq have any weapons? Well, obviously, Saddam used them to gas the Kurds. America gave Saddam cannisters of nerve gas and other fun chemical toys during the '80's for the Iraq-Iran war. Did he make any new WMDs though? Americans really haven't found anything. Neither did the UN weapons inspectors. So, what happened to the WMDs that we (the administration) thought Saddam had?

They were obviously transported out of the country. I mean.. how hard could it be to transfer a few 100 large missiles with payload and complete secret factories with lots of sophisticated equipment and personnel out the country extremely quickly without one of the many spy satellites or present inspectors noticing ? ;)
Allright, perhaps that was overly sarcastic. It could in fact be done if you assume American intelligence to be grossly incompetent - or that the spysatellite system is much less effective than it is always portrayed.
My Romania
28-02-2005, 10:12
It could in fact be done if you assume American intelligence to be grossly incompetent - or that the spysatellite system is much less effective than it is always portrayed.
Dont go there!
ofcourse the sattelittes are effective!
thouse nasty iraqians have some kinda of tunnels! large ones! digged by russians! or by camels! :rolleyes:
The Alma Mater
28-02-2005, 10:26
Dont go there!
ofcourse the sattelittes are effective!
thouse nasty iraqians have some kinda of tunnels! large ones! digged by russians! or by camels! :rolleyes:

OR Iraq does indeed have WoMD. Chemical or biological weapons, that do not require large missiles to be delivered if you can get the small canisters to the destination in another way. Most of those would still require a factory or large lab - but lets assume they found a solution for that.

Then the question arises... why on earth were people looking in Iraq ? The best place to produce these weapons is in the targetcountry itself, since it solves the problem of transporting them there when finished..
Aeruillin
28-02-2005, 10:34
thouse nasty iraqians have some kinda of tunnels! large ones! digged by russians! or by camels! :rolleyes:

rofl.

As for the argument here, I have heard the following quote once:

The more respect one shows toward one's opponents in a debate, the more rational and coherent one's argument will appear.

That, and my advice is to type slowly. In speech as in writing, hasty words will seem incompetent. Just read while typing, and 90% of typos will be prevented, no matter if you are a first language speaker or not (I'm not).
Candylandia
28-02-2005, 15:22
Ein Deutscher']Nope. I mean the thread starter :D Your grammar sucks too, however and your post lacks proper punctuation.

Never passed English Class with an A...And yes I am an American, proud to be one at that, just wish things could change right now.