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All you conspiracy idiots can shut up. Here is a short article about how the towers WERE able ot collapse as they did.

Link (http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/timeline/collapse.html)

I can't find any more similar resources...everything on the internet about 9/11 is a CT.

All you conspiracy idiots can shut up.


uhh what is the conspiracy, that the towers didn't fall down?

uhh what is the conspiracy, that the towers didn't fall down?I think he's talking about the "US caused the towers to fall by planting explosives to go off when the planes hit" theory.

I think he's talking about the "US caused the towers to fall by planting explosives to go off when the planes hit" theory.

please, does anyone outside of the middle east believe that?

why bother hijacking planes if if you are going to explode it anyway--just claim terrorists planted explosives.

actually, i guess i remember some french guy making claims that the US/Israel was behind 9/11--is this is the same conspiracy?

please, does anyone outside of the middle east believe that?

why bother hijacking planes if if you are going to explode it anyway--just claim terrorists planted explosives.

actually, i guess i remember some french guy making claims that the US/Israel was behind 9/11--is this is the same conspiracy?don't know. heard about a US/Iraqi theory... as well as a US/Al Quida...

there's another theory that the WTC were flawed... that's why they collapesed.

There is a theory that the government demolished the buildings or shot missiles at them.

Then, there are engineers and architects who prove how what happened had happened.

The first is just a conspiracy theory. The second is more of a theorem. (A statement based on other true statements) Yay Geometry!

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/videoframes.html

It may or may not be true......However its not like the American government is known for secrecy and cover ups.... :p

Moral: Don't build really tall buildings.

Moral: Don't build really tall buildings.really, I think "Don't have fanatics as your pilot." might be a better one.

really, I think "Don't have fanatics as your pilot." might be a better one.

Or don't push extremists to such a degree of anger.........

The link will not shut Conspiracy theories up. People like conspiracy theories and many nuts actually believe those to be true over what actually happened.

How about this moral? "Terrorists are evil beasts, but the French have to make up conspiracies because it's not politically correct to hate anyone that happens to be a minority (racially'religiously)."

All you conspiracy idiots can shut up. Here is a short article about how the towers WERE able ot collapse as they did.

Link (http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/timeline/collapse.html)

I can't find any more similar resources...everything on the internet about 9/11 is a CT.


So, what you are saying is that there is only ONE site on the internet with the truth?


And it's some place called patriotresource.com?


Wow. Gee, why didn't I think of that place FIRST when I was looking on factual discussion on structural engineering......

:p


(which is not to say that I believe any conspiracy theories, just that any post that starts with "all you idiots can shut up" deserves to be ridiculed)

So, what you are saying is that there is only ONE site on the internet with the truth?


And it's some place called patriotresource.com?


Wow. Gee, why didn't I think of that place FIRST when I was looking on factual discussion on structural engineering......

:p


(which is not to say that I believe any conspiracy theories, just that any post that starts with "all you idiots can shut up" deserves to be ridiculed)


Indeed a closed mind is a weakened mind.......

I am not saying whether it is or isn't a conspiracy theory. However, the American government is very good at spreading lies officialy

E.G" J.F.K"

Indeed a closed mind is a weakened mind.......

I am not saying whether it is or isn't a conspiracy theory. However, the American government is very good at spreading lies officialy

E.G" J.F.K"

Not just the American Government but most governments are very good at spreading lies officially.

Not just the American Government but most governments are very good at spreading lies officially.

Indeed...The same could be said for the Russians, N.koreans, Iranians etc....

Indeed...The same could be said for the Russians, N.koreans, Iranians etc....

At least we agree on this one though I don't believe that the American Government lied regarding 9/11! That is just my opinion.

I do know that the WTC was built to withstand an airline crash into it! I forget the model number of it, I think it was the 707 crash it could withstand. This was a bigger model than the 707. I'm not surprised that the buildings collapsed.

All you conspiracy idiots can shut up.

Is that you Bill O'Rielly?

At least we agree on this one though I don't believe that the American Government lied regarding 9/11! That is just my opinion.

I do know that the WTC was built to withstand an airline crash into it! I forget the model number of it, I think it was the 707 crash it could withstand. This was a bigger model than the 707. I'm not surprised that the buildings collapsed.

Yes obviously boths sides have viable and correct facts...And yes in my opinion I believe the twin towers were in fact a terrorist attack...

Although the supposed attack on the pentagon installation is an entirely different matter....

Seeing as I can only speculate, I cannot prove anything. Although the site I mentioned does make the viewer have a bigger depth of the unfortunate event. And there were other sites, however they have been closed down due to various complaints and certain government's orders.

Oh how could I have been so blind for so long, its now seems obvious to me the government in collaboration with the RAN corporation decided to destroy the towers to give some fat cat better harbor views from his apartment located behind the towers.

Oh the evilness!

Yes obviously boths sides have viable and correct facts...And yes in my opinion I believe the twin towers were in fact a terrorist attack...

Although the supposed attack on the pentagon installation is an entirely different matter....

Seeing as I can only speculate, I cannot prove anything. Although the site I mentioned does make the viewer have a bigger depth of the unfortunate event. And there were other sites, however they have been closed down due to various complaints and certain government's orders.

Actually, you can make a case that the attack wasn't a terror attack. It was on a military instillation and therefor a legal target. However, since it was hit in the middle of a terror attack and done through a highjacking, I consider it a terror attack.

As for the websites closing down, how do you know it was the government that ordered it and which nation are you talking about?

Actually, you can make a case that the attack wasn't a terror attack. It was on a military instillation and therefor a legal target. However, since it was hit in the middle of a terror attack and done through a highjacking, I consider it a terror attack.

As for the websites closing down, how do you know it was the government that ordered it and which nation are you talking about?

True...Technically it is a legal attack and ok target..Although I have my doubts that the perpatrators actually bombed it, opinion of course.

As for the websites, soon after 9/11 and the attack on the pentagon, many videos showed missile like marks, structure damage, witnesses hearing jet like sounds etc..

Anyway after that, C.I.A began hunting down people who video-taped such events and began to confiscate it. The question is why?...You can only speculate..


Once they heard it spread to websites, they closed them down for obvious reasons. However some were also closed down by viewers who complained about the degrading and speculating of such an event.

Now for the "what ifs"?

Perhaps America took advantage of the twin towers attack and commited there own on the pentagon? I think many of the key personal were not there at the time. Of course people died none the less.

This could lead to the question "Did America use 9/11 for gaining public support and spark fear into the public, thus leading to the middle east wars."

Perhaps another country commited the attack ?, although I doubt this is likely.

Of course we will never know

True...Technically it is a legal attack and ok target..Although I have my doubts that the perpatrators actually bombed it, opinion of course.

Well I'll believe that the terrorists did hit it. There is video of the plane hitting it.

As for the websites, soon after 9/11 and the attack on the pentagon, many videos showed missile like marks, structure damage, witnesses hearing jet like sounds etc..

A plane drives into a building will probably leave missile like marks. And obviously they'll hear a jet-like noise considering it was a jet that plowed into it.

Anyway after that, C.I.A began hunting down people who video-taped such events and began to confiscate it. The question is why?...You can only speculate..

CIA hunting them down? I thought it was the FBI who was investigating the attacks. CIA was too so maybe they wanted the video to see the events that took place. You can learn alot from watching a video on slow motion. See things you otherwise wouldn't see.

Once they heard it spread to websites, they closed them down for obvious reasons. However some were also closed down by viewers who complained about the degrading and speculating of such an event.

Wouldn't you be?

Now for the "what ifs"?

I love what ifs. Its why I like alternate history as well as real life history

Perhaps America took advantage of the twin towers attack and commited there own on the pentagon? I think many of the key personal were not there at the time. Of course people died none the less.

Doubtful but an interesting theory. However, there is to much info and witness reports of a plane plowing into the Pentagon.

This could lead to the question "Did America use 9/11 for gaining public support and spark fear into the public, thus leading to the middle east wars."

Again. An interesting theory. One the could be followed up on but I don't think you can prove the theory though there will be people that will believe it.

Perhaps another country commited the attack ?, although I doubt this is likely.

I agree it is doubtful. Maybe someone should look into this one. Maybe it was Syria that did it. :D

Of course we will never know

Agreed.

Well I'll believe that the terrorists did hit it. There is video of the plane hitting it.

True...There is a lot of evidence for it, maybe even more then against it. Like I said, there is evidence on both sides that could be used.

A plane drives into a building will probably leave missile like marks. And obviously they'll hear a jet-like noise considering it was a jet that plowed into it.

Lol true also, the public is never the most accurate way to collect evidence. Like chinese whispers :p ...But the hole in the pentagon was very interesting in how it made a similar mark to a missle attack. However like I said, you can only speculate.

CIA hunting them down? I thought it was the FBI who was investigating the attacks. CIA was too so maybe they wanted the video to see the events that took place. You can learn alot from watching a video on slow motion. See things you otherwise wouldn't see.

True that could be the case, but you never know with the CIA. But you would have thought that they would have there own unique copy, considering it is one of the best intel agencies in the world.




Wouldn't you be?

I can obviously understand why someone would complain.


I love what ifs. Its why I like alternate history as well as real life history

Same here....Its fun to think about all the different ways destiny could fold.




Doubtful but an interesting theory. However, there is to much info and witness reports of a plane plowing into the Pentagon.

True..Be amazing if they pulled off such a thing....But like you said, it is doubtful and we do not have such resources to investigate such a claim.

Again. An interesting theory. One the could be followed up on but I don't think you can prove the theory though there will be people that will believe it.

No there is no way of proving such a major theory. Although if I was in the inner circle of the whitehouse I could tell you :rolleyes:

And yes assumptions such as this should remain only as "what ifs" unless someone has hard evidence or dossiers etc.


I agree it is doubtful. Maybe someone should look into this one. Maybe it was Syria that did it. :D

Damn syrians, D.P.R.K, Iranians always up to no good :rolleyes:

Although it is possible... But you would imagine that it would be near impossible to get so far into U.S air-space without being shot down.

The only thing that may be able to do this is the future plasma stealth fighter, designed by the typical opponent; the Russians.

Damn.
Well, we can still theorize that Bush flew the planes into the towers/pentagon by remote control!
To the Conspiracymobile, Spam-man!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html <-- another link to debunk the conspiracy theories.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/resources.html <-- this one, too.

How about this moral? "Terrorists are evil beasts, but the French have to make up conspiracies because it's not politically correct to hate anyone that happens to be a minority (racially'religiously)."

Toi use a tired cliche - one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Don't listen to your media mate.....there is no such thing as black and white good/evil.....therefore not all terrorists are evil beasts!!!

This was mainly to discuss the twin towers collapsing the PBS link is very good. The other one is too long for now.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/resources.html <-- this one, too.

If you check this one, click the 20 facts link. Neat stuff. Especially #4 ... that just gave me the chills for some reason.

A few months ago I was thinking about the gripe about how there are no marks from the wings of the plane on the petagon, and this was inspired by a photo I saw. Apparently a smaller jetplane (Learjet size I believe) crashed into the side of a building, and amongst the pictures you could see the side of the building where the plane went in (it was a squat, low building, and I think at most three people were injured, so it wasn't exactly major news) and you could see the back of the plane, and oddly enought, the wings of the plane folded in...kind of like this...

http://img162.exs.cx/img162/3031/airplane0yr.jpg

(cheap illustration)

The plane didn't burn, so this is a good example of such a situation.