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I'm in full time educate post-16 in the UK. I do find it hard to believe that the average IQ is only 100. Personally, I've never scored below 110 in recent years on 'internet tests' (yeah, from 112 to 169... I'm therefore not posting my IQ because I don't know what it is :P)... and my friends are all above average at this rate. I'm not exactly an elitist... well, not until I found this out... But for everyone above 100, surely theres an equal number below 100?

So is this across the world? Or just in Western countries? Could someone really fill me in on the know?

Yep, the average is 100, it's calibrated for it to be that way.

As far as I understand it the IQ scores are 'balenced' such that 100 is allways the average score.

What I heard was that when they were first created, 100 was the average. The average now is about 120

Yes. The results of IQ tests are normalised and calibrated to an average of 100.

If the population being measured covers more than one group, the individual averages of sub-groups, eg national scores within an international scoring system, may not be 100.

But, in general, the average is 100 by definition.

What I heard was that when they were first created, 100 was the average. The average now is about 120
Only if a comparison is made across time. The current average is 100.

gah, whatever the average, i'm never gonna be the smartest peanut in the turd :(


...not even close :(


as far as i know the avg is still 100

Avg IQ varies by race, for black Africans it's typically 60-70 (mildly retarded) for black Americans it's between 75-85. For white Americans it's typically around 95-100.

Avg IQ varies by race, for black Africans it's typically 60-70 (mildly retarded) for black Americans it's between 75-85. For white Americans it's typically around 95-100.
HAHA.

Note to VE: The bias is in the test, dumbass.

This site has a nice commentary on the change in IQ over time.

http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/

Avg IQ varies by race, for black Africans it's typically 60-70 (mildly retarded) for black Americans it's between 75-85. For white Americans it's typically around 95-100.

And Ashkenazi Jews score higher than other whites ;) Don't forget to mention that :P (and no, I'm not a Jew).
There is some bias involved in these tests, like assuming the reader has mastered English perfectly though. But the results VE quoted are real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

Avg IQ varies by race, for black Africans it's typically 60-70 (mildly retarded) for black Americans it's between 75-85. For white Americans it's typically around 95-100.

An IQ test is the best way to measures someones ability to do IQ tests, this explains why there is a socio-economic and cultural bias. It is not the case that white people are generally smarter than black people, just more likely to be good at performing a limited range of tasks that make up an IQ test, due mostly to the kind of education available to them, and the cultural norms within these societies!

And Ashkenazi Jews score higher than other whites ;) Don't forget to mention that :P (and no, I'm not a Jew).
There is some bias involved in these tests, like assuming the reader has mastered English perfectly though. But the results VE quoted are real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
how do you know someone like VE didnt write that?

anybody can submit an article to Wiki...

Avg IQ varies by race, for black Africans it's typically 60-70 (mildly retarded) for black Americans it's between 75-85. For white Americans it's typically around 95-100.

Then sign me up the position of deathcamp operator. 1488! \/\/|73 p0\/\/3r!

Internet tests suck.

When i took an IQ test it said:
40 - 55 Mentally disabled (Less than 1% of test takers)
55 - 70 Learning difficulty (2.3% of test takers)
70 - 85 Below average
85 - 115 Average (68% of test takers)
115 - 130 Gifted
130 - 145 Genius (2.3% of test takers)
145 - 160 Extraordinary genius (Less than 1% of test takers)
160+ "Unmeasurable" genius

and i personally fall in the 'Extraordinary genius' catagory with a IQ of 147... i dunno how that happend :confused: lol

Heh, I got a hundred and thirty odd on an IQ test written in a language I had an extremely limited grasp of, and more or less lost faith in both the tests and the human race.

How those statistics can be honestly and seriously said to indicate racial rather than environmental differences I don't know, even if I am above average in cyber-Germany.

Something totally unrelated: curiously, the Neanderthals had slightly larger brains than modern humans. It didn't really help them.

(i could go into detail, but i rather don't because it isn't very effective in this unfortunate Creationist-infested place ;))

Heh, I got a hundred and thirty odd on an IQ test written in a language I had an extremely limited grasp of, and more or less lost faith in both the tests and the human race.

How those statistics can be honestly and seriously said to indicate racial rather than environmental differences I don't know, even if I am above average in cyber-Germany.
They can't. You pretty much have to ignore the environmental and cultural factors to find the racial factors, and that's just the measurable variables.

And Ashkenazi Jews score higher than other whites ;) Don't forget to mention that :P (and no, I'm not a Jew).
There is some bias involved in these tests, like assuming the reader has mastered English perfectly though. But the results VE quoted are real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

Indeed, a reason for jews NOT to be considered one race, but several races and not so similar between themselves. And perhaps a reason to have declined statehood for Israel since they're not even a nation. In fact, if jews were mass slaughtered by germany, german territory would have done it for Ashkenazi Jews. No money. No foreign (palestinian) soil. No other races (arab mizrahi jews, sephardic jews, ethiopian jews, azn jews, etc.) involved. That could also be a viable solution today for the Israeli-arab conflict.

Then sign me up the position of deathcamp operator. 1488! \/\/|73 p0\/\/3r!

Ahem, can't you read, you putz? The majority of Jews have an average I.Q. of 115 (Well, one specifical group that is the majority). (Several books by serious non-jewish writers say so, like the Bell Curve and the Jewish Mystique). If anyone needs to be put on a deathcamp for 'treatment' are those who want jews inside deathcamps again, for the worst crime of: "Serious damaging of the human gene pool by killing Ashkenazi Jews".
Man, I hate rednecks.

When i took an IQ test it said:
40 - 55 Mentally disabled (Less than 1% of test takers)
55 - 70 Learning difficulty (2.3% of test takers)
70 - 85 Below average
85 - 115 Average (68% of test takers)
115 - 130 Gifted
130 - 145 Genius (2.3% of test takers)
145 - 160 Extraordinary genius (Less than 1% of test takers)
160+ "Unmeasurable" genius

and i personally fall in the 'Extraordinary genius' catagory with a IQ of 147... i dunno how that happend :confused: lol
Maybe the scale varies, because I took an IQ test and scored 130 on it and it said I was a little above average.

I taken a number of IQ tests, and my best guess from the results is that my IQ is about 150. But who knows..IQ tests are flawed anyways.

I took several, and the results have been between 172 and 154, so I decided on telling people my IQ is 164, since its right in the middle.

I took several, and the results have been between 172 and 154, so I decided on telling people my IQ is 164, since its right in the middle.
how did you hear yourself think over the laughter?

I took several, and the results have been between 172 and 154, so I decided on telling people my IQ is 164, since its right in the middle.

I feel compelled to point out that halfway between 154 and 172 is 163, not 164.

I feel compelled to point out that halfway between 154 and 172 is 163, not 164.

meh.

Avg IQ varies by race, for black Africans it's typically 60-70 (mildly retarded) for black Americans it's between 75-85. For white Americans it's typically around 95-100.
Seriously? Because the boundary for mild retardation is actually 80.

I've found that people I consider smart don't need high IQs, and I often see stupid people proclaiming their high IQs.

In other words, IQ is a meaningless gauge of intelligence... at least on online forums where everyone is typing their supposed score. ;)

I mean no one lies online... about themselves...

BTW I have 280,320,503,211,692 IQ.

I've taken various and I've basically gotten Gifted Intelligence...One of them was 147 as I remember...though in a test taken nationally, I forget which one, I got the 94th percentile.

I've taken various and I've basically gotten Gifted Intelligence...One of them was 147 as I remember...though in a test taken nationally, I forget which one, I got the 94th percentile.

94th percentile is around 125 I think.

I always get higher than exceptional intelligence. I've never scored lower than a 230 on any IQ test, even from when I was a child. I had a 4.4 GPA in high school, and I have a 4.5 GPA now in college. I got a 1600 on my SATs all three times I took them. I regularly score in the 100th percentile for intelligence.

As far as i can see an IQ test really tests nothing other than your ability to take an IQ test. So it's kind of a pointless exercise really...

I always get higher than exceptional intelligence. I've never scored lower than a 230 on any IQ test, even from when I was a child. I had a 4.4 GPA in high school, and I have a 4.5 GPA now in college. I got a 1600 on my SATs all three times I took them. I regularly score in the 100th percentile for intelligence.
Last I checked colleges cap GPAs at 4.0

My IQ is 7

i don't really wanna get a high IQ, i just wanna get high :D

(sorry, cant help it - listening to cypress hill... ;) )


edit: no weed left :( :(

The IQ testing system hasn't been recalibrated in years. The tests that people take on the internet are older than what most psychologists use along with being a lot less in depth. IQ tests strictly speaking are about as meaningful as the size of your car. You could drive a bus around empty and you can have an IQ 160 and be completely clueless. The tests are meant to discover the ability to learn and the speed at which one learns. We confuse potential with proven credibility far too often. A true genius is one that gives something to world and doesn't just say to everyone in a mocking tone on the internet, "Yeah, I could do that if I want. I'm a genius, so neener neener neener to you, Gregory!"

I feel compelled to point out that halfway between 154 and 172 is 163, not 164.
Oh teh ironing! (http://www.epai.com/2/zw/en/images/002/ZW-700.gif)

As far as i can see an IQ test really tests nothing other than your ability to take an IQ test. So it's kind of a pointless exercise really...
Exactly how I feel. There may be connections, possibly a strong correlation, between IQ test results and "intelligence levels", whatever they may be, I feel that IQ tests are not the be-all and end-all of intelligence whatsoever.

Internet IQ-tests are fun:

"Congratulations! Your IQ is 147! Say, you wouldn't incidentally be interested in receiving our newsletter for smart people, would you? Just give us your email adress..."

how do you know someone like VE didnt write that?
anybody can submit an article to Wiki...

But OTOH everybody can also check and correct it - which with an subject like this is quite likely to happen. Additionally it provides sources.
But I do agree that i will immediately believe a peer-reviewed qualityjournal over wikipedia. Anyone has some sources that contradict it ?

Ahem, can't you read, you putz?

Note: you are responding to a post by Letila here, but the name in the quote tag is mine for some reason.

Last I checked colleges cap GPAs at 4.0

Yeah, and there's no way I was mocking people who talk about how high their IQs is online.

Yeah, and there's no way I was mocking people who talk about how high their IQs is online.

*nervous laughter ensues since people can believe you have a high IQ*

Yeah, and there's no way I was mocking people who talk about how high their IQs is online.There are certain schools with 5 grading scales. There also certain schools of logic that say sarcasm is an invisible and caustic device that is going to be the death of written communication. I don't believe either of those things though because I'm a ninja and ninjas aren't supposed to talk about philosophy or academic scoring systems.

*nervous laughter ensues since people can believe you have a high IQ*

230, though? I would have thought that was the big giveaway.

The only real IQ test I took was when I was four or five and my parents were deciding what school to enroll me in. I got somewhere in the 115-120 range.

There are certain schools with 5 grading scales. There also certain schools of logic that say sarcasm is an invisible and caustic device that is going to be the death of written communication. I don't believe either of those things though because I'm a ninja and ninjas aren't supposed to talk about philosophy or academic scoring systems.

Good. I'm glad to be doing my part to end written communication.

mine is 163 last time i had an IQ test

230, though? I would have thought that was the big giveaway.

The only real IQ test I took was when I was four or five and my parents were deciding what school to enroll me in. I got somewhere in the 115-120 range.

Hmm I musta misread somewhere, thought you said something somewhat reasonable.

Of course there was this online person I remember who actually DID claim 200+ IQ and meant it. She was funny...

mine is 163 last time i had an IQ testHow well did you do on your last English test?

Yeah, and there's no way I was mocking people who talk about how high their IQs is online.
My IQ is so high its not even a fucking number - it's orange. It's so high it's a color

Yes, I think 100 is the average IQ, but it is supposedly increasing.

Yes, I think 100 is the average IQ, but it is supposedly increasing.IT's good that you're thinking, but the speculation of intelligence in regards to test results really doesn't help much. I suppose that most people here speak or read English, but that number may be increasing, decreasing, or translating itself into a form of automatic drawing that looks a little it like a goat feeding a taco to a churning butter distillery cap fart.

Internet IQ-tests are fun:

"Congratulations! Your IQ is 147! Say, you wouldn't incidentally be interested in receiving our newsletter for smart people, would you? Just give us your email adress..."

I had the same question. I'm glad I didn't fall for that one. Appeal to your pride so that it can give away your email to a bunch of spammers.

My IQ is so high its not even a fucking number - it's orange. It's so high it's a color

I am amused by this statement. Excellent work.

i doubt anyone will believe, but i was tested by the school system when i was in about 3rd grade and they said that my iq was 156. i took it again my senior year of high school and it was 168. scouts honor.

i doubt anyone will believe, but i was tested by the school system when i was in about 3rd grade and they said that my iq was 156. i took it again my senior year of high school and it was 168. scouts honor.*shocks Autocraticama with a tazer*

Rocket ships don't build themselves, so you better get your smart working on my propulsion system. I don't want to give you another taste of Mr. Sparky here and I don't need to be reminded of your genius unless it through my ship reaching warpspeed in half the time it takes a Centauri vessel to reach that speed.

Don't call this injustice either. I have all of the nit wits in the salt mines.

*urinates on his tazer victim*

See. I even put out the electrical fire on your back. You're just smoking a little now. I'm really a swell guy once you get to know me.

BACK TO THE ROCKET LAB, SLIME!

if you want to know your approximate iq, knock the last number off your sat score.

online tests are full of shit, as are most of the posters here.

Over the years, I've gotten IQ results ranging from 128 to 160. Latest result was 144, which is strangely enough right in the middle of all those results.

HAHA.

Note to VE: The bias is in the test, dumbass.
It's funny how you say the bias is in the test. Take an IQ test and ask yourself - how is it aimed at allowing whites to do better than blacks?
No, the reason why the average is low for Blacks in America and Africa is because the education systems are terrible for both - in America, poverty-stricken areas are intentionally underfunded, including through education. Its a system to keep other races down while keeping the whites up.

if you want to know your approximate iq, knock the last number off your sat score.

online tests are full of shit, as are most of the posters here.

Yeah, that gives me an IQ of 149. The SATs are more BS than IQ tests.

IT's good that you're thinking, but the speculation of intelligence in regards to test results really doesn't help much. I suppose that most people here speak or read English, but that number may be increasing, decreasing, or translating itself into a form of automatic drawing that looks a little it like a goat feeding a taco to a churning butter distillery cap fart.
I don't understand any English at all whatsoever, I just throw sponges at the keyboard and miraculously enough what comes out is what I was thinking translated into English.

I wub my enchanted sponges.

yeha, but it gives ME an iq of 160, and who do i care about more, me or you?

yeha, but it gives ME an iq of 160, and who do i care about more, me or you?Disregarding the quote function is ideal for talking to yourself. You truly are a wise man.

just took one online... for General Knowledge intelligence it says

You scored: 100%
You must be the delight of every conversation and have an ace in your pocket regardless of the topic. You seem to master the commonly known facts and have an excellent general understanding of the world around you. You also exhibit greater retention of information that is encountered less often.

yeah right... :rolleyes: i have no idea whats going on around me most of the time and people get so bored talking to me they fuck off or just talk over me :(

so, to jump on the iq posting bandwagon, i scored...

Your age adjusted IQ score is 113 and the average score for all test takers is 100. You scored higher than 79 % of all the people that took this test.

Your Grade ** Higher Average **

which is disappointing. i got 138 when i was 12 :(


i am actually getting more stupid!! woohoo! :headbang:

just took one online... for General Knowledge intelligence it says



yeah right... :rolleyes: i have no idea whats going on around me most of the time and people get so bored talking to me they fuck off or just talk over me :(

so, to jump on the iq posting bandwagon, i scored...



which is disappointing. i got 138 when i was 12 :(


i am actually getting more stupid!! woohoo! :headbang:

i got 136 a while ago and 122 recently. but the first one was made for people younger than me and the second for people older than me. they weren't internet tests though, tests by a psychologist. i guess i'm about 128.

The IQ of an Alsation is 60. This is the only reason they're not allowed in the Spanish army as any member must have an IQ of 70+. I bet they're gutted.

Also, only one type of frog says 'ribbit', out of over 4300 varieties.
The only reason it's commonly thought this is the noise frogs make is because the frog that DOES make this noise makes it's home in and around Hollywood... hence it being broadcast all around the world for any required effects.

Staying with the upbeat 'regressing to a vegetative state' theme, when I was 14 my IQ was 135 and when i was 16 my IQ had dropped to 128. I'm 17 now so I have a whole history of mediocrity to look forward to :)

(it's starting already!!! I just put 'look forward too' and looked at it for ages to see what was wrong.. argh)

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which is disappointing. i got 138 when i was 12 :(


i am actually getting more stupid!! woohoo! :headbang:
Try doing the next one when you're high. Some people get better scores, some people get worse.

Try doing the next one when you're high. Some people get better scores, some people get worse.
:eek: good thinking!

On internet tests for me:
178
158
144
124
Degenerative IQ on internet test

HAHA.

Note to VE: The bias is in the test, dumbass.

So, I don't agree that "black Africans" have an IQ of 60-70, but a question on spatial intelligence isn't biased... Biased my ass. You can answer the question or not. I've never heard anyone take the bias argument beyond a rudimentary and unfounded point here or there. That being said, I believe any one person is their own person, and there are plenty of folks of all races in the world today smarter than anyone of us posting here...

An IQ test is the best way to measures someones ability to do IQ tests, this explains why there is a socio-economic and cultural bias. It is not the case that white people are generally smarter than black people, just more likely to be good at performing a limited range of tasks that make up an IQ test, due mostly to the kind of education available to them, and the cultural norms within these societies!

Bullcrap. This is the whiny, politically correct version of reality. Oh no, don't say that one group is smarter, or someone might cry. Spatial intelligence isn't based on culture or the education system. You know or you don't. Take out the questions on word knowledge, and intelligence tests are about problem solving, pattern recognition, and using a variety of other intelligence-based skills. Point-blank, whiny crap aside, some people are smarter than others. Just like some people sing better than others. Just like some people look better than others. it IS the case that white people are generally smarter (not by much I might add). IQ tests are limited, but they are a window into a larger world. Face the truth and it will set you free. The difference isn't big enough to change anyone's destiny, but it exists.

Something totally unrelated: curiously, the Neanderthals had slightly larger brains than modern humans. It didn't really help them.

(i could go into detail, but i rather don't because it isn't very effective in this unfortunate Creationist-infested place ;))

Exactly! So many factors go into the success of failure of a human being, a few points here or there on an IQ test don't matter. Perseverence? Fortitude? Strength? Speed? Character? The list goes on and on, and a 145 versus a 135, or a 100 versus a 90 on an IQ test isn't going to make nearly all the difference. When we decide to say that IQ is the defining factor in how successful a race is, it is goofy and we fall into the trap of believing it matters above all else. IQ is only one of a variety of factors that make a man or woman successful in primitive or modern society. It all matters. That being said, the whiny, "no one race's IQ is higher than another's" argument is still silly. Races have different IQ's. But not enough to make a real difference, considering all the other factors involved on the crazy little blue-green ball of life.

What I heard was that when they were first created, 100 was the average. The average now is about 120

I doubt it. Mankind has gotten dumber since that was created, or at least it seems that way. When I was 6 I tested 140 on the IQ scale, I wonder what I am now at 21.

I always get higher than exceptional intelligence. I've never scored lower than a 230 on any IQ test, even from when I was a child. I had a 4.4 GPA in high school, and I have a 4.5 GPA now in college. I got a 1600 on my SATs all three times I took them. I regularly score in the 100th percentile for intelligence.

Wow, that's pretty good considering most IQ tests can't even test into the 230 range. How many IQ tests did you take that told you you were smarter than Leonardo DaVinci?

Wow, that's pretty good considering most IQ tests can't even test into the 230 range. How many IQ tests did you take that told you you were smarter than Leonardo DaVinci?

I try to take them every six months or so, just to make sure I'm not slipping. The last one I took I scored a 247, which is up a point from August, but down three points from my all-time high.

Wow, that's pretty good considering most IQ tests can't even test into the 230 range. How many IQ tests did you take that told you you were smarter than Leonardo DaVinci?
he's joking

Yeah, that gives me an IQ of 149. The SATs are more BS than IQ tests.

agreed. SAt only gives how well you can regurgitate book knowledge. i think that ACT is a better indicator of cognitive abilities.

he's joking

You know, I really didn't think that would need a spoiler....

You know, I really didn't think that would need a spoiler....
everything needs a spoiler!

Avg IQ varies by race, for black Africans it's typically 60-70 (mildly retarded) for black Americans it's between 75-85. For white Americans it's typically around 95-100.

Yea, and what's yours? 25, 30 maybe?

Your a dickwad, seriously. Keep your moronic, racist ramblings to yourself.

(P.S. The average white American IQ is probably more around 85-90, given the fact that uneducated people tend to bring the average down. Not bashing Americans, here, just stating a valid fact [the bringing down part, the numbers I made up].)

Oh, and to contribute something to the topic: the average is still 100; it's been recalibrated several times. I'm circa 145. Somewhat of a genius, but still not up there much (99th percentile, I believe).

I try to take them every six months or so, just to make sure I'm not slipping. The last one I took I scored a 247, which is up a point from August, but down three points from my all-time high.

Yeah, I posted this before I realized you weren't dillusional and you were trying to be funny, in your own special way...

You know, I really didn't think that would need a spoiler....

And just so you know, the percentile goes down. It's a measure of how much of the population is above you, hence 100% is actually the most retarded person ever to have lived, and 0.0_1 is the smartest person ever to have lived.

If I have this wrong, please correct me, This is what I was told when I took my test.

And just so you know, the percentile goes down. It's a measure of how much of the population is above you, hence 100% is actually the most retarded person ever to have lived, and 0.0_1 is the smartest person ever to have lived.

If I have this wrong, please correct me, This is what I was told when I took my test.
Wrong way around buddy.

Yea, and what's yours? 25, 30 maybe?

Your a dickwad, seriously. Keep your moronic, racist ramblings to yourself.

(P.S. The average white American IQ is probably more around 85-90, given the fact that uneducated people tend to bring the average down. Not bashing Americans, here, just stating a valid fact [the bringing down part, the numbers I made up].)

Oh, and to contribute something to the topic: the average is still 100; it's been recalibrated several times. I'm circa 145. Somewhat of a genius, but still not up there much (1.5th percentile, I believe.).

Oh, now the Canadians are getting uppity. Canada: So smart it/they didn't realize land in the sub-arctic would be less valuable than the temperate zone just to the south called "The United States". Canadians like to "chuck it from the cheap seats". Canada: "We're better than you, but we can't prove it." You're just angry your only contribution to society, hockey, has all but evaporated from existence. I lied, you guys make a mean snowball too.

Try doing the next one when you're high. Some people get better scores, some people get worse.
I scored 10 points better when on Ritalin on an official IQ test, but that's probably because I have ADD, not because of the "getting high" bit.

Yeah, I posted this before I realized you weren't dillusional and you were trying to be funny, in your own special way...

My intention was to mock all the people posting their genius level IQs. To look at the IQs of people posting here, you'd think NationStates was an unwitting meetingplace for Mensa.

Wrong way around buddy.

Ok, well, I need to go shoot my school guidance councilor. Thanks. ^.^

To other guy: Wow, your an idiot. Shut up. I didn't say the average Canadian intelligence, I said mine. I know plenty of stupid Canadians, and our average IQ is probably not much better. So shut it.

This debate is stupid. There is no such thing as a general fixed intelligence level, and even if there was those internet tests wouldn't measure it anyway, you always score like a 140 so you feel compelled to buy their stupid products to learn more about what a genius you are.

There first IQ test invented by a scientist named Alfred Binet in 1904 was designeed to find students struggling in school and bring them up to speed with there peers. Binet rejected the notion of that people are born with a fixed inteligence level and greatly feared his system would be used to weed out "stupid kids" by labeling them as such . Binet explained his system,

"The scale, properly speaking does not permit the measure of the intelligence, because intellectual qualities are not superposable, and therefore cannot be measured as linear surfaces are measured."

After creating his system Binet bragged about how his system had tremendous success, when children who fared poorly on these IQ tests were given special smaller sized classrooms, which gave them individualized attention they were able to greatly increase their IQ scores. The ability for students to drasticly improve their scores refuted the idea that these IQ tests measured a fixed inate intelligence level.

His ideas were later twisted to the idea that IQ was a fixed charactaristic and was hereditary.

Anyway read "The Mismeasure of Man" by Steven Jay Gould if you want a good explanation of what intelligence is and why ideas like IQ it is commonly understood and the "bell curve" are bogus ideas.

Ok, well, I need to go shoot my school guidance councilor. Thanks. ^.^

Gee you're an angry young man. Quit taking everything anyone says as a personal attack on you, they're just trying to help or have a laugh. Oh, except this, I suppose you could count this as a personal attack on you.
*But it's all in fun :) *
I'm from the Staffordshire in the UK and surrounded by morons if it makes anyone feel better...

HAHA.

Note to VE: The bias is in the test, dumbass.

Bias? Where is the bias in simple math and spelling? Oh I forgot, since they're a minority group we can't expect them to do simple math, what was I thinking!

You're a racist yourself, yet you don't realize it. There is no bias, any human being should be able to solve simple math equations, spell, read, and have more than twenty words in his vocabulary.

I scored 10 points better when on Ritalin on an official IQ test, but that's probably because I have ADD, not because of the "getting high" bit.

ADD is a load of bullshit made by capitalistic drug companies, and lazy parents who refuse to raise their children properly. Smack them across the face and they'll stop being "ADD."

ADD is a load of bullshit made by capitalistic drug companies, and lazy parents who refuse to raise their children properly. Smack them across the face and they'll stop being "ADD."

What a shame you undid what was a decent point in your previous post with this load of rubbish.

I scored 10 points better when on Ritalin on an official IQ test, but that's probably because I have ADD, not because of the "getting high" bit.
pretty much everybody will perform better on such tests if they are given drugs like Ritalin. this is because Ritalin and other "attention" enhancing drugs don't fix some particular quirk in ADD patients; ADD people just happen to have levels of certain chemicals in their brains which are low enough that they interfere with their ability to function normally. drugs can enhance either production or retention of these chemicals, or can enhance the sensitivity of the brain to the chemicals that are already there. this effect will, obviously, enhance normal brains just as well as ADD brains.

it's kind of like steroids; there are people who medically need to be on steroids because their bodies are deficient and need the steroids for help. however, ANYBODY who takes steroids is going to see a change in their body.

Bah. IQ doesn't mean much of anything. One can be high on the IQ scale, and have no initiative or common sense, and can be totally useless. Or you could be lower and motivated and be useful.
I took a real (as opposed to internet) IQ test with the school psycometrician and got a 144. Top 99.8% of people. What does it mean? It means nothing except that I can think fast.

pretty much everybody will perform better on such tests if they are given drugs like Ritalin. this is because Ritalin and other "attention" enhancing drugs don't fix some particular quirk in ADD patients; ADD people just happen to have levels of certain chemicals in their brains which are low enough that they interfere with their ability to function normally. drugs can enhance either production or retention of these chemicals, or can enhance the sensitivity of the brain to the chemicals that are already there. this effect will, obviously, enhance normal brains just as well as ADD brains.

it's kind of like steroids; there are people who medically need to be on steroids because their bodies are deficient and need the steroids for help. however, ANYBODY who takes steroids is going to see a change in their body.
But I don't see mass amounts of prescriptions of steroids or similar drugs to people for no real reason.

ADD is a load of bullshit made by capitalistic drug companies, and lazy parents who refuse to raise their children properly. Smack them across the face and they'll stop being "ADD."
Well, you could come over and smack me, but I somehow doubt that it would affect my ability to concentrate short of making it a bit harder to due to the stinging hand-shaped red mark on my face. Raising me properly has nothing to do with the fact that I cannot properly pay attention without constant reminders or chemical help.

But I don't see mass amounts of prescriptions of steroids or similar drugs to people for no real reason.
Umm, huh?
I don't see any connection between that statement and what bottle said.

But I don't see mass amounts of prescriptions of steroids or similar drugs to people for no real reason.
you don't? wow, where have you been? abuse of prescription drugs of all kinds is sky-rocketting.

i'm not saying it's right to precribe performance enhancing drugs to normally-functioning people...far from it. it is just as wrong to prescribe Ritalin to a kid who's a little hyper as it would be to give steroids to a kid who's not especially good at baseball. you don't try to "fix" normal imperfections with drugs, at least not if you are a decent parent. however, there ARE medical situations in which it would be stupid not to prescribe steroids, just as there are medical situations in which it would be stupid not to prescribe Ritalin or similar drugs.

ADD isn't fictional at all, it's just way over diagnosed. that's a serious problem, to be sure, but it's NOT a reason to deny that ADD exists.

I'm in full time educate post-16 in the UK. I do find it hard to believe that the average IQ is only 100. Personally, I've never scored below 110 in recent years on 'internet tests' (yeah, from 112 to 169... I'm therefore not posting my IQ because I don't know what it is :P)... and my friends are all above average at this rate. I'm not exactly an elitist... well, not until I found this out... But for everyone above 100, surely theres an equal number below 100?

So is this across the world? Or just in Western countries? Could someone really fill me in on the know?

http://www.indiana.edu/%7Eintell/flynneffect.shtml#why <-- this page tells why it's important to use CURRENT data on IQs...

And yes, the average is 100.
And furthermore, unless you have had an actual IQ test administered under controlled cirumstances by a trained professional, whatever results you've gotten online are worth the paper they're written on.

And furthermore, unless you have had an actual IQ test administered under controlled cirumstances by a trained professional, whatever results you've gotten online are worth the paper they're written on.
seriously. the rule of thumb is:

if you honestly believe that the results of an online IQ test mean a damn thing, that means you have an IQ lower than 100.

Yes there are biases in the in the testing of IQ but they are not by necessity race based, it only appears that way on the surface. The schism of potential to learn between this race or that is meaningless if one is considering the vast ability humans have for learning*. The biases occur when social class discrimination allows or disallows acsess to the knowledge base and/or the skilled instructors. It just so happens that most social class lines are also drawn along racial ones because most folk are still too unevolved to not think that someone who has a pigment variation in their skin than they do must be "THEM" and not "US"**, and thus where there is a minority of one 'color' amid a majority of another they will be the likeliest target for social rejection. Due to that rejection, they are also likliest to end up in the lower economic rungs- this means, in countries that spend enough money to feed the world on their military and hardly enough to feed their instructors like the US***, that they will receive a poorer edjucation.

A metaphor: if mediocre minds do the data entry on a computer do the mediocre results bear relavance on the potential of the computer?
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REVSCRJ
-The Theocracy of Gnostic Alliances


*Yes, even the Canadians
** For the benefit of my fellow American- that is not a referance to the United States.
*** Whereas that was

Yes there are biases in the in the testing of IQ but they are not by necessity race based, it only appears that way on the surface. The schism of potential to learn between this race or that is meaningless if one is considering the vast ability humans have for learning*. The biases occur when social class discrimination allows or disallows acsess to the knowledge base and/or the skilled instructors. It just so happens that most social class lines are also drawn along racial ones because most folk are still too unevolved to not think that someone who has a pigment variation in their skin than they do must be "THEM" and not "US"**, and thus where there is a minority of one 'color' amid a majority of another they will be the likeliest target for social rejection. Due to that rejection, they are also likliest to end up in the lower economic rungs- this means, in countries that spend enough money to feed the world on their military and hardly enough to feed their instructors like the US***, that they will receive a poorer edjucation.

A metaphor: if mediocre minds do the data entry on a computer do the mediocre results bear relavance on the potential of the computer?
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REVSCRJ
-The Theocracy of Gnostic Alliances


*Yes, even the Canadians
** For the benefit of my fellow American- that is not a referance to the United States.
*** Whereas that was

You also have to factor in poorly written questions. For instance, one that one of my psychology professors mentioned:

The question was: Which does not belong?
The four pictures given were:

a cow
a dog
a chicken
a chair.


When the question was administered, apparently a significant number of children circled the chicken, which baffled the test administrators. Finally, they got one of the kids and asked, "Why did you choose the answer you chose?"

The kid's reply was the chicken was the only thing in the set that did not have four legs.

You also have to factor in poorly written questions. For instance, one that one of my psychology professors mentioned:

The question was: Which does not belong?
The four pictures given were:

a cow
a dog
a chicken
a chair.


When the question was administered, apparently a significant number of children circled the chicken, which baffled the test administrators. Finally, they got one of the kids and asked, "Why did you choose the answer you chose?"

The kid's reply was the chicken was the only thing in the set that did not have four legs.

HEY KIDS! WHICH OF THESE DOES NOT BELONG?

A. hammer
B. wrench
C. George W. Bush
D. sandwich

HEY KIDS! WHICH OF THESE DOES NOT BELONG?

A. hammer
B. wrench
C. George W. Bush
D. sandwich
Bush, because you can't eat him.

Bush, because you can't eat him.
lol, good thing i wrote "Bush" instead of "Clinton," in that case :P.

that was a nice try, but the correct answer is D, because, unlike the other options, a sandwich is not a tool.

HEY KIDS! WHICH OF THESE DOES NOT BELONG?

A. hammer
B. wrench
C. George W. Bush
D. sandwich

Sandwich. All the rest are tools. ;)

Sandwich. All the rest are tools. ;)
tee hee. old joke, i know, but i still get a giggle from it.

ADD is a load of bullshit made by capitalistic drug companies, and lazy parents who refuse to raise their children properly. Smack them across the face and they'll stop being "ADD."

I have ADD, but I don't take medicine for it. I used to, and I was a lot calmer, but I stopped taking it because it slowed down my thinking, and I wasn't able to do any complex calculations in my head anymore.

My intention was to mock all the people posting their genius level IQs. To look at the IQs of people posting here, you'd think NationStates was an unwitting meetingplace for Mensa.

I think I saw you in Boston the other day, do you spend time in Southie a lot? I was going to an art gallery.

I doubt it. Mankind has gotten dumber since that was created, or at least it seems that way. When I was 6 I tested 140 on the IQ scale, I wonder what I am now at 21.

The IQ test gives a number of points based on your age when you're under 18. That can either help or hurt you though.

I think I saw you in Boston the other day, do you spend time in Southie a lot? I was going to an art gallery.

I haven't been down there in a few weeks, so I doubt it was me you saw.

It's funny how you say the bias is in the test. Take an IQ test and ask yourself - how is it aimed at allowing whites to do better than blacks?
No, the reason why the average is low for Blacks in America and Africa is because the education systems are terrible for both - in America, poverty-stricken areas are intentionally underfunded, including through education. Its a system to keep other races down while keeping the whites up.

If they really wanted to accomplish anything, most of them would have done so. White immigrants came here with nothing, didn't run around asking for welfare, and most white people are out of the ghetto. Blacks on the other hand have been here for longer than most whites, because there hasn't been a significant African immigration here since the slave trade was outlawed in 1808.

When i took an IQ test it said:
40 - 55 Mentally disabled (Less than 1% of test takers)
55 - 70 Learning difficulty (2.3% of test takers)
70 - 85 Below average
85 - 115 Average (68% of test takers)
115 - 130 Gifted
130 - 145 Genius (2.3% of test takers)
145 - 160 Extraordinary genius (Less than 1% of test takers)
160+ "Unmeasurable" genius

You know, this really cheapens the meaning of the word "genius." By this scale, we've got some 5 million geniuses in America, maybe two million of them extraordinary. Screw that. If you don't qualify for the Giga Society, the best result you can hope for is "smart."

I'm in full time educate post-16 in the UK. I do find it hard to believe that the average IQ is only 100. Personally, I've never scored below 110 in recent years on 'internet tests' (yeah, from 112 to 169... I'm therefore not posting my IQ because I don't know what it is :P)... and my friends are all above average at this rate. I'm not exactly an elitist... well, not until I found this out... But for everyone above 100, surely theres an equal number below 100?

So is this across the world? Or just in Western countries? Could someone really fill me in on the know?

There are definite cultural biases to most IQ tests as well as educational ones. They are the best measurement tool we have at the present time and have a valid place in our scope of human knowledge. The 100 mark, is fairly accurate, though its application across cultures is questionable.

There are definite cultural biases to most IQ tests as well as educational ones. They are the best measurement tool we have at the present time and have a valid place in our scope of human knowledge. The 100 mark, is fairly accurate, though its application across cultures is questionable.

No, its a good indicator. As people said before, the only reason "cultural biases" are brought into account, is because liberals don't want to make certain people cry. I think a good indicator of intelligence would be countries/continents that these races live in.

You know, this really cheapens the meaning of the word "genius." By this scale, we've got some 5 million geniuses in America, maybe two million of them extraordinary. Screw that. If you don't qualify for the Giga Society, the best result you can hope for is "smart."

lol true. I scored a 148 on one IQ test that was heavy in verbal skills and 129 in another that involved puzzle solving and mathmatics.

A few people I know scored very well, but are complete idiots if you spoke with them. IQ is simply your capicity to learn, nothing more.

The fact that modern takers of old IQ tests score higher than older generations seems to prove that IQ does not measure something that is entirely inherent in the genes. Evolution does not work that fast. It strongly suggests that environmental factors play an important role, and would explain the differences seen between different races.

It is hardly controversial to say that blacks receive worse education that whites. Jews and Orientals, who have higher IQ scores, have a reputation for being harder workers than most, which would tie in with anecdotal evidence that you can work to improve your IQ score. It also adds a cultural element to the causes of different IQ scores. The fact that race and culture are closely intertwined may explain why it appears that race determines IQ to a degree.

However, this doesn't imply some sort of 'cultural bias.' I fail to see how anything in the tests that I have done has any cultural content at all, unless you are calling exposure to a more rigorous education 'cultural.'

Well, you could come over and smack me, but I somehow doubt that it would affect my ability to concentrate short of making it a bit harder to due to the stinging hand-shaped red mark on my face. Raising me properly has nothing to do with the fact that I cannot properly pay attention without constant reminders or chemical help.

Becuase of this chemical imbalance you should sterilized to prevent more people like yourself from breeding.

Becuase of this chemical imbalance you should sterilized to prevent more people like yourself from breeding.
But I thought you said drug companies made up the illness and it doesn't exist?

Either way, I am sterile, being a transsexual and all.

No, its a good indicator. As people said before, the only reason "cultural biases" are brought into account, is because liberals don't want to make certain people cry. I think a good indicator of intelligence would be countries/continents that these races live in.

You clearly haven't studied the formation of psychological testing and the impact that extraneous variables have on statistical validity. Education alone can skew results dramatically on IQ tests. IQ is very difficult to test because there are so many variables and communication barriers cause be cultural differences is only one of many. I still believe use of IQ tests has significant validity, but as with anything, one has to be aware of its limitations.

Also wanted to mention that the biases are not intentional and apply to more than one racial background.

Becuase of this chemical imbalance you should sterilized to prevent more people like yourself from breeding.
ahhh, eugenics...

what i love most is that the smartest living human being (Stephen Hawking) is also the perfect argument against eugenics :).

ahhh, eugenics...
It's even funnier that his first statement was that ADD doesn't really exist, then he said to kill people with ADD.

How does that work?

It's even funnier that his first statement was that ADD doesn't really exist, then he said to kill people with ADD.

How does that work?
it works through the magic of a process i like to call...

WACKY EUGENICS!

Let's sterilize all people who have diseases that don't actually exist! We must prevent them from passing on the genetic traits they don't actually have!

it works through the magic of a process i like to call...

WACKY EUGENICS!

Let's sterilize all people who have diseases that don't actually exist! We must prevent them from passing on the genetic traits they don't actually have!


Now now you two, be nice. Just because his/her ideas are suspect, it doesn't mean we have to mock ;)

it works through the magic of a process i like to call...

WACKY EUGENICS!

Let's sterilize all people who have diseases that don't actually exist! We must prevent them from passing on the genetic traits they don't actually have!
Actually, I think I rather like it!
Kill off all the humans and you can be sure that every single unwanted genetic trait is gone!
It works!

Now now you two, be nice. Just because his/her ideas are suspect, it doesn't mean we have to mock ;)
for your information, i suffer from a non-existant disease called Compulsive Mocking Syndrome (CMS).

You clearly haven't studied the formation of psychological testing and the impact that extraneous variables have on statistical validity. Education alone can skew results dramatically on IQ tests. IQ is very difficult to test because there are so many variables and communication barriers cause be cultural differences is only one of many. I still believe use of IQ tests has significant validity, but as with anything, one has to be aware of its limitations.

Also wanted to mention that the biases are not intentional and apply to more than one racial background.

It doesn't skew it by that much, maybe 5 points or so. If not for IQ tests, then we should use the situations of the respective races as a gauge to test the intelligence of the races.

Becuase of this chemical imbalance you should sterilized to prevent more people like yourself from breeding.
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It doesn't skew it by that much, maybe 5 points or so. If not for IQ tests, then we should use the situations of the respective races as a gauge to test the intelligence of the races.

I assume that 5 points is a figure that you have got from an authenticated source rather than one that you just plucked out of the air? Or should I not?

It doesn't skew it by that much, maybe 5 points or so. If not for IQ tests, then we should use the situations of the respective races as a gauge to test the intelligence of the races.

By "situation," are you talking about how blacks are "stupid enough to live in ghettos"; "stupid enough to be disproportionately imprisoned"; or "stupid enough to sign on for a few centuries of slavery and one more of Jim Crow"?

Just curious.

Actually, I think I rather like it!
Kill off all the humans and you can be sure that every single unwanted genetic trait is gone!
It works!

Kinda like the Darwin Awards :) Except they do it themselves... Even better for DADAP, saves people like him from wasting time having to eradicate such imperfections from the pool.

I assume that 5 points is a figure that you have got from an authenticated source rather than one that you just plucked out of the air? Or should I not?

Yeah, I pulled it out of the air. but that is a big number, percentile-wise.

It doesn't skew it by that much, maybe 5 points or so. If not for IQ tests, then we should use the situations of the respective races as a gauge to test the intelligence of the races.
OK, as long as you don't cherry pick situations. With that rule, I know you will have problems proving your point

By "situation," are you talking about how blacks are "stupid enough to live in ghettos"; "stupid enough to be disproportionately imprisoned"; or "stupid enough to sign on for a few centuries of slavery and one more of Jim Crow"?

Just curious.

How about:

1. Most italians have been here for between 80 and 100 years, they're out of the ghetto, and have been since the 1950's.
2. Blacks commit more crimes.
3. If blacks are equal to whites, why do they end up promoting gangsterism so disproportionally? If they were equal, they'd be pulling themselves out of the ghetto. Instead they try to get reparations through Jessie Jackson, and they sit around on welfare, degrading the country.

How about:

1. Most italians have been here for between 80 and 100 years, they're out of the ghetto, and have been since the 1950's.
2. Blacks commit more crimes.
3. If blacks are equal to whites, why do they end up promoting gangsterism so disproportionally? If they were equal, they'd be pulling themselves out of the ghetto. Instead they try to get reparations through Jessie Jackson, and they sit around on welfare, degrading the country.
I JUST SAID - only without cherry picking situations.

The average IQ is not necessarily 100. 100 is, by definition, the median (50% of individuals score below 100 50% score above) with a standard devetion of 15 (it used to be 20 but the highest scores, IQ's of 180-190, just sounded to elitist). If you take internet tests most of thase are meaningless scientifically speaking.
Anarchists of the world unite!

It's even funnier that his first statement was that ADD doesn't really exist, then he said to kill people with ADD.

How does that work?

ADD does not exist, biologically speaking. But many of you have convinced yourselves that it does, so much, that you are now useless. You can't face the fact that you're an idiot, nothing more.

ADD does not exist, biologically speaking. But many of you have convinced yourselves that it does, so much, that you are now useless. You can't face the fact that you're an idiot, nothing more.
lol, buh bye!

just so you know, flaming isn't something NS mods put up with.

ADD does not exist, biologically speaking. But many of you have convinced yourselves that it does, so much, that you are now useless. You can't face the fact that you're an idiot, nothing more.
I like candy, how about you

The average IQ is not necessarily 100. 100 is, by definition, the median (50% of individuals score below 100 50% score above) with a standard devetion of 15 (it used to be 20 but the highest scores, IQ's of 180-190, just sounded to elitist). If you take internet tests most of thase are meaningless scientifically speaking.
Anarchists of the world unite!

When was the SD = 20 ?

You seem to be talking like you know but... If you knew how the bell distribution worked, you would know that the AVERAGE is EQUAL to the MODE and the MEDIAN on a bell curve (on an intelligence distribution).

Yet this doesn't mean that if they're all equal, the average IQ is 100. Average white christians on their respective countries have 102. Average white Jews (european or ashkenazis) have 115 (the highest scoring group yet). Average non white jews have an average of 17 points below white jews. Average black americans are one SD below white christians (except the blacks from detroit, that are a little higher). Average Japanese/Hong Kong/Koreans have 107 of IQ. Average arabs have 82 of IQ on their respective countries. Average africans have 75 on IQ, but there are some countries with an average around 60. Average chinese are on 100. Average french have 96 (but that's because there are currently above 10 million poor countries immigrants), the white french could have, presumably 102. Average israelis have 94 of avg. IQ (A mix of 40% white jews with 115, and the rest of non-white jews and arabs does that average.... what a shame). Hispanic-americans tend to have 90, but puertoricans (or cubans?) are said to be a little below that.

All this differences are mainly racial, but the environment, lack of nutrition, different culture, etc. influences some. Read the bell curve and the jewish mystique for more information. (And none of those are written by either white supremacists or Jews)

When was the SD = 20 ?

You seem to be talking like you know but... If you knew how the bell distribution worked, you would know that the AVERAGE is EQUAL to the MODE and the MEDIAN on a bell curve (on an intelligence distribution).

Yet this doesn't mean that if they're all equal, the average IQ is 100. Average white christians on their respective countries have 102. Average white Jews (european or ashkenazis) have 115 (the highest scoring group yet). Average non white jews have an average of 17 points below white jews. Average black americans are one SD below white christians (except the blacks from detroit, that are a little higher). Average Japanese/Hong Kong/Koreans have 107 of IQ. Average arabs have 82 of IQ on their respective countries. Average africans have 75 on IQ, but there are some countries with an average around 60. Average chinese are on 100. Average french have 96 (but that's because there are currently above 10 million poor countries immigrants), the white french could have, presumably 102. Average israelis have 94 of avg. IQ (A mix of 40% white jews with 115, and the rest of non-white jews and arabs does that average.... what a shame). Hispanic-americans tend to have 90, but puertoricans (or cubans?) are said to be a little below that.

All this differences are mainly racial, but the environment, lack of nutrition, different culture, etc. influences some. Read the bell curve and the jewish mystique for more information. (And none of those are written by either white supremacists or Jews)
huh? :confused:

is this all possibly related to the evolution of enticing a possible mate?

maybe white prople and asians have had to use intelligence more to attract members of the opposite sex

whereas ... is it possible that non-whites, non-asians have used, perhaps, physical attributes to woo members of the opposite sex moreso than their brains?



(just a thought.. and of course education has probably a whole lot to do with it, especially reading comprehension and the ability to do math in your head)

i dont understand...so if i have an IQ of 115 (last time I checked I was 115 which was around a year ago) then why am I in the top 60 percentile of my class?

Then sign me up the position of deathcamp operator. 1488! \/\/|73 p0\/\/3r!

lol, I'm not a white supremacist, but hey, if it's feasible :P
Seriously tho, I hate all white people. And I can say that cuz I am white. :D

PS- to anyone who has a good lookin male relative, me and them...damn. Tell them the sex is great :fluffle:

for your information, i suffer from a non-existant disease called Compulsive Mocking Syndrome (CMS).

LOL :D :D :D very well. I can probably find you some meds. for that. Since it is a compulsivity disorder we might even have samples here... hmmm... :p ;)

It doesn't skew it by that much, maybe 5 points or so. If not for IQ tests, then we should use the situations of the respective races as a gauge to test the intelligence of the races.

I'm glad you didn't live 1000 years ago. You'd have been slaughtered.

The situations of the respective races have little to do with intelligence. They have much more to do with a sets of values and social norms than intelligence. If you really want to go with who scores highest on apptitude and IQ tests, those coming out of Far Eastern cultures and studying in Western schools should probably rule the world. How's that sound to you.

Two things, first how can Asians not be above 115. Also, the reason we arent gettign average or below average IQ scores are because of embraasment, and ppl playin an online pol sim game in their free time isnt excalty an across the board sample.

Two things, first how can Asians not be above 115. Also, the reason we arent gettign average or below average IQ scores are because of embraasment, and ppl playin an online pol sim game in their free time isnt excalty an across the board sample.

I would think that'd skew us on the "dummy" side of the bell.

Two things, first how can Asians not be above 115. Also, the reason we arent gettign average or below average IQ scores are because of embraasment, and ppl playin an online pol sim game in their free time isnt excalty an across the board sample.

I would think that'd skew us on the "dummy" side of the bell. All the smart guys are out chasing skirts and drinking beers by now.

i dont understand...so if i have an IQ of 115 (last time I checked I was 115 which was around a year ago) then why am I in the top 60 percentile of my class?

IQ and grades are not the same. I made a big mistake, that I only realized a few months ago, of slacking off in high school. Now I'm working my ass off. My GPA as of the beginning of this year was 2.4/2.5. I don't know what it is now, but its higher because my grades have been better.

I'm glad you didn't live 1000 years ago. You'd have been slaughtered.

The situations of the respective races have little to do with intelligence. They have much more to do with a sets of values and social norms than intelligence. If you really want to go with who scores highest on apptitude and IQ tests, those coming out of Far Eastern cultures and studying in Western schools should probably rule the world. How's that sound to you.


I think we should all just stay away from eachother. China is the biggest threat facing America, seconded by Arabs. 90% of the middle eastern population holds a negative opinion of us, so if they actually had democracy, we'd lose access to the oil. China is a big threat because they are: communist, fake-capitalist, taking our industries, taking our jobs, taking our money, and moving America backwards.

90% of the middle eastern population holds a negative opinion of us, so if they actually had democracy, we'd lose access to the oil.

Perhaps one of the reasons they hate us is because we continue to prop up brutal and oppressive dictatorships in their nations.

An internet IQ test is perhaps more of a test of arrogance than anything else, yes we've all done them, I got 169 or something silly like that, it honestly means diddly squat. They most likely rig the scores because lets face it no one is going to buy a nice framed certificate at a price of £4.50 +postage if they got a score of 85.

Perhaps one of the reasons they hate us is because we continue to prop up brutal and oppressive dictatorships in their nations.


Yeah, maybe that, but maybe because they practice Whabamisn (not sure of the spelling). Whabamisn is when they think everyone that doesn't practice their religion is an infidel, and should die.

Yeah, maybe that, but maybe because they practice Whabamisn (not sure of the spelling). Whabamisn is when they think everyone that doesn't practice their religion is an infidel, and should die.
Or it could be that we prop up and support oppressive dictatorships, that would explain hatred for us in other lesser developed countries as well.

Two things, first how can Asians not be above 115. Also, the reason we arent gettign average or below average IQ scores are because of embraasment, and ppl playin an online pol sim game in their free time isnt excalty an across the board sample.

Tough shit, they're around the 107 mark. There's another group that I mentioned that does have a 115 average, which puts in evidence nazi theories of superiority, and most of all, who and why do these people 'rule' according to others.

i would refer you guys to post 12#

Tough shit, they're around the 107 mark. There's another group that I mentioned that does have a 115 average, which puts in evidence nazi theories of superiority, and most of all, who and why do these people 'rule' according to others.

Which is why an ideal white nation would include Jews.

W00t for theories about racial superiority... :rolleyes: