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Let's begin by making it clear I am not refering to people with a legitimate medical or psychological conditions that limits their ability to work, as well as carers (ie stay at home mothers and partners of those with medical or psychological problems).

I'm talk about the million out there who have no reason they can't work, but are just too lazy to. Now, some of you may think I'm being harsh. But I was unemployed for 11 days before I found an awesome job.

You might say that's because I have an excellent track record in marketing, but I'm only young and really haven't been employed at my past jobs long enough for them to be decent references.

I mean come on, check your local paper, go to http://www.seek.com.au or the many employment sites out there! Don't have any references? Email me at wesleywidlend@hotmail.com and I'll write you one.

Hell, if you live in Brisbane, Australia and can legally work (ie work visa, travel visa etc) and have no major criminal convictions, I'll give you a job! No joke.

It is not that hard people! Get off your arses and find yourself a bloody job.

I agree with you, but it's their choice in life if they just wanna be lazy sods. Of course in that case, they shouldn't expect handouts, which for some reason 90-odd percent of them do.

I agree with you, but it's their choice in life if they just wanna be lazy sods. Of course in that case, they shouldn't expect handouts, which for some reason 90-odd percent of them do.
Hell yeah, It's a pitty there's no effective way to tell. I can understand why people who are actually between jobs need it to keep up with rent, or why people who literally can't work need it. But those that abuse the system, perticually those claiming mulitple benifits really get to me. I don't work ten hour days s they can scratch their arse and watch cable!

Let's begin by making it clear I am not refering to people with a legitimate medical or psychological conditions that limits their ability to work, as well as carers (ie stay at home mothers and partners of those with medical or psychological problems).

I'm talk about the million out there who have no reason they can't work, but are just too lazy to. Now, some of you may think I'm being harsh. But I was unemployed for 11 days before I found an awesome job.

You might say that's because I have an excellent track record in marketing, but I'm only young and really haven't been employed at my past jobs long enough for them to be decent references.

I mean come on, check your local paper, go to http://www.seek.com.au or the many employment sites out there! Don't have any references? Email me at wesleywidlend@hotmail.com and I'll write you one.

Hell, if you live in Brisbane, Australia and can legally work (ie work visa, travel visa etc) and have no major criminal convictions, I'll give you a job! No joke.

It is not that hard people! Get off your arses and find yourself a bloody job.

I've been working since I was 14 basically, I've got two jobs now and though I agree that there are people that do this there are also a people that can not find a job. Not everyone without a medical condition can be flung into this catigory.

Honestly it is hard to find a job at times. I know three people at the moment that can not find a job, it is not because they are not stable workers when they work but there isn't anything around at the moment that they have the skills to do.

On the other hand I know people that refuse to get a job that pays even a little less then their old job or isn't exactly their dream job, in that situtation I think you should suck it up and try and get a job even if you don't like it for the moment. You can always look for your dream job while you have a temporary one. These people I have a problem with, but there is little we can do to monitor this and we should not take away things such as unemployement benifits away from the whole to stop some people's abuse of it.

At one of my jobs I am a manager and I've had to deal with someone trying to claim unemployment for a part-time seasonal job opening which is completely ridiculous. They knew they were only working a month at most when they started and part time employees even if not a seasonal job would not get benifits if they were let go. Pretty much we wrote a letter and the issue was laughed off. That's the kind of people that sicken me. It's got to be individually or very well defined because not all people are that stereotype we have in our heads.

I've been working since I was 14 basically, I've got two jobs now and though I agree that there are people that do this there are also a people that can not find a job. Not everyone without a medical condition can be flung into this catigory.

Honestly it is hard to find a job at times. I know three people at the moment that can not find a job, it is not because they are not stable workers when they work but there isn't anything around at the moment that they have the skills to do.

On the other hand I know people that refuse to get a job that pays even a little less then their old job or isn't exactly their dream job, in that situtation I think you should suck it up and try and get a job even if you don't like it for the moment. You can always look for your dream job while you have a temporary one. These people I have a problem with, but there is little we can do to monitor this and we should not take away things such as unemployement benifits away from the whole to stop some people's abuse of it.

At one of my jobs I am a manager and I've had to deal with someone trying to claim unemployment for a part-time seasonal job opening which is completely ridiculous. They knew they were only working a month at most when they started and part time employees even if not a seasonal job would not get benifits if they were let go. Pretty much we wrote a letter and the issue was laughed off. That's the kind of people that sicken me. It's got to be individually or very well defined because not all people are that stereotype we have in our heads.
What skills DO your friends have, and where do they live?

There are also certain situations where working is less desirable other than "laziness".

I knew a guy once, who obviously had some issues as he had this habit of moving from state to state, getting married having a kid or two and then doing a runner. Now, he was up for a heck of a lot of child support payments (when I knew him, I think he'd fathered about 7 kids).

What he pointed out to me was that it was actually cheaper to be unemployed because while he was on the dole he wasn't required to make child support payments. He told me he worked out of a sense of pride and definitely not for the money.

Anyway, to define anyone (other than the exceptions you did state) that is unemployed as a slacker is a little too broad for my liking. Each to their own, I guess.

You know, not everyone can have jobs - there aren't enough jobs out there to keep everyone employed. I've been told that a certain level of unemployment is actually good for the economy. I think that the vast majority of the unemployed would gladly work if they had the chance.

Besides, it's senseless to hate even the small fraction of the unemployed who are just plain lazy, if anything you should feel sorry for them. That sort of laziness never leads to a very happy life, and why you'd waste your time hating people who live like that is completely beyond me.

You know, not everyone can have jobs - there aren't enough jobs out there to keep everyone employed. I've been told that a certain level of unemployment is actually good for the economy. I think that the vast majority of the unemployed would gladly work if they had the chance.

Besides, it's senseless to hate even the small fraction of the unemployed who are just plain lazy, if anything you should feel sorry for them. That sort of laziness never leads to a very happy life, and why you'd waste your time hating people who live like that is completely beyond me.
I hate that theory. Literally hate it. Why can't the economy be judged by the quality of life a nation enjoys, rather than by the nonsense economiss usse now.

Let's start making enough jobs for as many people as physically possible. I can employ 15 people before I have to take a pay cut. I'll employ 20 people! Come on. This isn't a joke.

Let's work together to drop unemployment! Can you make more positions where you work? I'll help out. You help out. And if the unemployed get off their asses. Just because the government won't do anything... what's the expression "ask not what your country can do for you..."

There are also certain situations where working is less desirable other than "laziness".

I knew a guy once, who obviously had some issues as he had this habit of moving from state to state, getting married having a kid or two and then doing a runner. Now, he was up for a heck of a lot of child support payments (when I knew him, I think he'd fathered about 7 kids).

What he pointed out to me was that it was actually cheaper to be unemployed because while he was on the dole he wasn't required to make child support payments. He told me he worked out of a sense of pride and definitely not for the money.

Anyway, to define anyone (other than the exceptions you did state) that is unemployed as a slacker is a little too broad for my liking. Each to their own, I guess.
A man who fathers 7 kids and becomes unemployed to avoid looking after his obligations is scum. I'm sorry, but he's exactly who I'm talking about.

Let's begin by making it clear I am not refering to people with a legitimate medical or psychological conditions that limits their ability to work, as well as carers (ie stay at home mothers and partners of those with medical or psychological problems).

I'm talk about the million out there who have no reason they can't work, but are just too lazy to. Now, some of you may think I'm being harsh. But I was unemployed for 11 days before I found an awesome job.

You might say that's because I have an excellent track record in marketing, but I'm only young and really haven't been employed at my past jobs long enough for them to be decent references.

I mean come on, check your local paper, go to http://www.seek.com.au or the many employment sites out there! Don't have any references? Email me at wesleywidlend@hotmail.com and I'll write you one.

Hell, if you live in Brisbane, Australia and can legally work (ie work visa, travel visa etc) and have no major criminal convictions, I'll give you a job! No joke.

It is not that hard people! Get off your arses and find yourself a bloody job.

I don't have a job now. I don't need to. I have enough money saved up from working at other times in my life that I don't need to work right now. Am I lazy? Yep. Have I earned my laziness by busting my balls? Absolutely.

What skills DO your friends have, and where do they live?

They are young, none have the money for college to get skills needed for getting a job in the area. And right now no one is highering entry leave jobs. I spent all my freetime this fall between my two jobs and school looking for one good solid job and even with my managing background, long stable history with one company, and various other side jobs I have taken as a secondardy job I could not get a job.

None of these friends have received unemployment. Although they worked full time hours they were not considered full time employees, but there are people in this same sistuation that are having the same problems.

They have tired everything not excluding jobs they would hate and it is not due to references that they can not get a job because I know their references - one of them is an ex-employee of mine, due to seasonal hiring - and I know where and who they have worked with in the past.

They should have no problem getting into a gas station, small shop job, or some physical labor(mostly road consturction which doesn't begin till the snow is gone) but it's not there right now.

As for wear we are, a rural community in Wisconsin, they have branched out into nearby cities where jobs would be expected but have yet to find anything.

I don't have a job now. I don't need to. I have enough money saved up from working at other times in my life that I don't need to work right now. Am I lazy? Yep. Have I earned my laziness by busting my balls? Absolutely.


Now that's the way to do it!

A man who fathers 7 kids and becomes unemployed to avoid looking after his obligations is scum. I'm sorry, but he's exactly who I'm talking about.

Might want to keep your prejudices in check.

I never said he was unemployed. Only that unemployment was the easier option for him.

I knew the guy because he worked at the same place I did.

I hate that theory. Literally hate it. Why can't the economy be judged by the quality of life a nation enjoys, rather than by the nonsense economiss usse now.

Let's start making enough jobs for as many people as physically possible. I can employ 15 people before I have to take a pay cut. I'll employ 20 people! Come on. This isn't a joke.

Let's work together to drop unemployment! Can you make more positions where you work? I'll help out. You help out. And if the unemployed get off their asses. Just because the government won't do anything... what's the expression "ask not what your country can do for you..."

In a capitalist country, sadly, this sort of thing isn't reallt viable. Any big company that employed more people than it needed would quickly be put out of business by competitors offering the same services for less. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's true. At least as matters stand, most of the jobs in this country are controlled by big business, and that's not changing any time soon.

I think we have to accept that for the forseeable future some unemployment is inevitable. It would be nice if our culture provided some sort of purpose for the unemployed though - maybe make them do some social work in return for their benefits or better yet, make then do some sort of schooling to learn useful skills while unemployed.

Since right now I'm a student/teaching assistant, I personally can't employ anyone right now :D.

I was unemployed and on benifits for over six months recently, not out of lazyness, but because I didn't want to take the first minimum wage job that came my way (such is my right to do so). I have a degree in Software Engineering and I was not prepared to waste my skills working as a Kitchen Porter or Telemarketer (which the vast majority of unskilled work availiable is in my area). I even was prepared to move to different counrties in order to secure decent employment. Does this make you sick?
Being unemployed is not fun in the slightest, it is extreamly depressing and the longer you stay unemployed the more of a rut you get in. The people I met at the Job Centre were not lazy, system exploiting scum; they were decent people, who had in some way been failed by the education system in the past, and who wanted nothing more than to secure a decent and reasonable job. Unfortunately for them the only jobs around are either insecure (and hence the job centre gets alot of returnees), hard pysical labour, or have unfeasable working hours that are simply unacceptable to people with families.

In a capitalist country, sadly, this sort of thing isn't reallt viable. Any big company that employed more people than it needed would quickly be put out of business by competitors offering the same services for less. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's true. At least as matters stand, most of the jobs in this country are controlled by big business, and that's not changing any time soon.

I think we have to accept that for the forseeable future some unemployment is inevitable. It would be nice if our culture provided some sort of purpose for the unemployed though - maybe make them do some social work in return for their benefits or better yet, make then do some sort of schooling to learn useful skills while unemployed.

Since right now I'm a student/teaching assistant, I personally can't employ anyone right now :D.

1) most of the jobs in the USA are not "controlled" by big business. Your local mom and pop store is the largest employer.

2) below a certain amount of unemployent, inflation runs rampant. Unemployment is no big deal, it is long term unemployment that is a problem. Some of the uneployed very temporarily(changing jobs, industries moving, medical reason ect), this type of unemployment is fine. Its the people who are consistantly unemployed(through lack of skills or desire) that we need to concern ourselves with.

I was unemployed and on benifits for over six months recently, not out of lazyness, but because I didn't want to take the first minimum wage job that came my way (such is my right to do so). I have a degree in Software Engineering and I was not prepared to waste my skills working as a Kitchen Porter or Telemarketer (which the vast majority of unskilled work availiable is in my area). I even was prepared to move to different counrties in order to secure decent employment. Does this make you sick?
Being unemployed is not fun in the slightest, it is extreamly depressing and the longer you stay unemployed the more of a rut you get in. The people I met at the Job Centre were not lazy, system exploiting scum; they were decent people, who had in some way been failed by the education system in the past, and who wanted nothing more than to secure a decent and reasonable job. Unfortunately for them the only jobs around are either insecure (and hence the job centre gets alot of returnees), hard pysical labour, or have unfeasable working hours that are simply unacceptable to people with families.

The key words being job center, the people there are not the types he is talking about. He is talkng about those who do not even go to the jobs center, they just sit around and collect a check

The key words being job center, the people there are not the types he is talking about. He is talkng about those who do not even go to the jobs center, they just sit around and collect a check

Doesn't work like that where I live, if you don't turn up to sign on they stop the cheque.

if unemployment goes down too far, history has shown that inflation will go way way up, the government knows this but of course they'll constantly attack the unemployed and say bad things about them cause they are easy cheap shots.

i've had friends that are unemployed, and they've said that you still have to constantly fill out job applications every week or 2 in order to get your centrelink payments.

the bottom line for me though is that, even though there are people that will always be bums, they are in the minority, most people have self respect and self-worth, it is much better to be giving them a paycheck every fortnight, as little as it seems, cause really the amount the government gives you isn't enough at all, then it is to see people homeless and dying in the streets.

What makes me sick are empty headed bigots.

people always seem to forget the severe negative psycological impact being at the bottom of the ladder can bring. i'm sure it'd be highly anti-motivational. why go get a job when you're worthless & unloved, living on the streets? what is the point in living, yet alone getting a job?

Lets hope Rotovia never gets laid off or has trouble finding a job, we wouldn't want to make him sick of himself.

As an older worker, I'm 54 today (no applause...just throw $10s and $20s), it is harder for me to find employment. A couple of years ago I lost my job and it took me almost 6 weeks to find another one. I'm an accountant. Employers seemed to be looking at younger people with more working years ahead of them rather than someone with 30 years of experience. I work for an MPO and there is a very real possibility that it may close in the next year or two. I shudder to think how difficult it might be for me to find another job if this happens.

Here in the US we have families with the 4th generation living on government entitlements. There is something wrong with a welfare system that allows this. How has living on a bare minimum subsistence become a preferable lifestyle?

There are also certain situations where working is less desirable other than "laziness".

I knew a guy once, who obviously had some issues as he had this habit of moving from state to state, getting married having a kid or two and then doing a runner. Now, he was up for a heck of a lot of child support payments (when I knew him, I think he'd fathered about 7 kids).

What he pointed out to me was that it was actually cheaper to be unemployed because while he was on the dole he wasn't required to make child support payments. He told me he worked out of a sense of pride and definitely not for the money.

Anyway, to define anyone (other than the exceptions you did state) that is unemployed as a slacker is a little too broad for my liking. Each to their own, I guess.

Right, your example is not a lazy bum, he's just a selfish irresponsible father. Cut him some slack!

As an older worker, I'm 54 today (no applause...just throw $10s and $20s), it is harder for me to find employment. A couple of years ago I lost my job and it took me almost 6 weeks to find another one. I'm an accountant. Employers seemed to be looking at younger people with more working years ahead of them rather than someone with 30 years of experience. I work for an MPO and there is a very real possibility that it may close in the next year or two. I shudder to think how difficult it might be for me to find another job if this happens.

Here in the US we have families with the 4th generation living on government entitlements. There is something wrong with a welfare system that allows this. How has living on a bare minimum subsistence become a preferable lifestyle?

I sympathize, it must be very hard when you have fewer productive(job wise) years ahead of you. Still, 6 weeks is pretty good given I have known young people who have been on unemployment for many months. Oddly, everyone seems to find work as the time limit on benefits approaches.

I dont know how people live their whole lives on govt entitlements. I suppose that if you grow up with them, you sort of get used to it.

I hate that theory. Literally hate it. Why can't the economy be judged by the quality of life a nation enjoys, rather than by the nonsense economiss usse now.

Let's start making enough jobs for as many people as physically possible. I can employ 15 people before I have to take a pay cut. I'll employ 20 people! Come on. This isn't a joke.

Let's work together to drop unemployment! Can you make more positions where you work? I'll help out. You help out. And if the unemployed get off their asses. Just because the government won't do anything... what's the expression "ask not what your country can do for you..."

It is very naive of you to think that way. Quite cute though.

Without unemployment what would happen to an economy? Stagnation and stalemate. No new business could open - where would they get employees from? Innovation would be stifled - many small business are spurred by circumstances and go on to success. Inflation would take of as the only way a company could get staff would be to hire people away from their competitor for more money. During slow economies companies would have no ability to trim costs and would go out of business (causing even MORE unemployment) Without risk of termination many empolyees would have less momentum to perform. Those unwilling to perform their task to ability would drag down performance since they would not be hired.

Ever been to a store or restaurant and received bad service? Without some unemployment it would be impossible for the owner to fire the offender and hire a replacement. We'd be stuck with horrible service everywhere and naught to do about it. The risk of unemployment is a marvelous motivator for trouble workers.

Finally there ARE enough jobs for everyone - take a look at your help-wanted ads. The trouble is that some people are too arrogant to take many of those jobs. During the tech-wreck I remember IT people waiting around in coffee shops for someone to hand them a six-digit job. They had no idea that their field was overcrowded and the bubble was over. Unemployment has a way of shifting workers from fields that have too many people to those that don't have enough.

Unemployment sucks, no doubt, but it is also an effective tool at keeping the economy balanced. Forced labor would not be a blessing at all.

I sympathize, it must be very hard when you have fewer productive(job wise) years ahead of you. Still, 6 weeks is pretty good given I have known young people who have been on unemployment for many months. Oddly, everyone seems to find work as the time limit on benefits approaches.

I dont know how people live their whole lives on govt entitlements. I suppose that if you grow up with them, you sort of get used to it.

Dude! You should consider a crossover field - financial planing, banking, lending, tax preperation, bookeeping, or whatever. Get your CPA and it will help (presumes you to be in the USA) I know there are CFPs out there who would LOVE to have a CPA on their team. Some firms now have accounting and financial planning bundled. A great way to enhance income. You may have to study a bit to make yourself more attractive, but there are PLENTY of good paying jobs in crossover industries.

I have to agree. Rotovia's theory on no unemployment wouldn't work under capitalism. All the more reason to eliminate capitalism, though.

I have to agree. Rotovia's theory on no unemployment wouldn't work under capitalism. All the more reason to eliminate capitalism, though.
Right, who needs freedom when you can be a slave of the state.

Dude! You should consider a crossover field - financial planing, banking, lending, tax preperation, bookeeping, or whatever. Get your CPA and it will help (presumes you to be in the USA) I know there are CFPs out there who would LOVE to have a CPA on their team. Some firms now have accounting and financial planning bundled. A great way to enhance income. You may have to study a bit to make yourself more attractive, but there are PLENTY of good paying jobs in crossover industries.

I've always been in cost accounting, and the last couple of years I've gone into fund accounting. Comparing either of those to a CPA is comparing apples to oranges. I have a CPA do my taxes!! Accounting firms in this area are big into recruiting at the universities and they are looking for double majors in accounting and computer engineering. If the worst happens and I am unable to find another job, and I can manage my budget, I will probably go back to school and work on a degree in child psychology.

Not everyone who is unemployed for a large period of time wants to be unemployed. If you have been previously convicted of a felony, it is extremely difficult to find a job (even if it was for something you did when you were young and stupid and have long since outgrown). Also, some people have no experience or skills for X or Y reason. Others are discriminated against due to age, handicap, looks, etc.

Someone I know personally is a perfect example. She is an older woman who worked alot when she was young (she supported herself since she was 17), but stopped working when she got married. Her husband convinced her that she would never have to work again because he would support her, so she dedicated herself to raising her kids and maintaining the household. Well, when she ended up getting a divorce, she found herself having to reenter the job market in her 40s with a huge experience gap, outdated skills (the keypunch machines she was trained to operate no longer exist, having been replaced by computers), and only a high school education. She is trained a secretary, but no one wants an old secretary they want a young attractive one. The result is that she has spent a great deal of time unemployed. She was able to get work at Walmart (one of the few companies willing to hire older people) but had to quit because the job involved heavy lifting that was just too much for her over 50 year old body. So, she is once again unemployed and cant find work no matter how hard she tries.

The moral of the story? not everyone who is unemployed chooses to be so.

Unemployment is not always the fault of the unemployed person. Take a look back at Britain in the 80's and early 90's, unemployment was really high. Why? Because the jobs weren't available, this was caused by only one thing. The Conservative Government of that time.

Do unemployed people in situations and times like that make you sick?

Unemployment is not always the fault of the unemployed person. Take a look back at Britain in the 80's and early 90's, unemployment was really high. Why? Because the jobs weren't available, this was caused by only one thing. The Conservative Government of that time.

Do unemployed people in situations and times like that make you sick?
Of course becuase they should invent jobs :rolleyes:

That's why it's called a crossover field. Banking has little to do with Financial Planing, yet people do it. I know many engeneers who retired then started a second career in accounting. Little in common, but enough for them to transition comfortably. Don't rule out too many options - if you're smart enough to do cost accounting you're smart enough to do any of the others I mentioned and many more I didn't.

no one wants an old secretary they want a young attractive one. .

Sounds like an excuse to me.

Any professional will tell you, we don't give a rats arse how our secretary looks. (except one guy I know who has a jealous wife and a short attention span - he looks for frumpy women who won't disract him) All I care about is that my Adminastrative Assistant (more PC and accurate than 'Secratery' ) is able to do her job and maintain a pleasant disposition with me and my clients. Frankly I prefer an older one because she won't take maternity leave, she's not likely to be out late on dates and arriving hungover, and she has the maturity experience to relate well to those around her.

Of course, my new assistant is male - but then we don't need to get into a discussion about gender roles right now, lets stay in context.

If you'r friend believes she's too 'ugly' to get a job she had better look within...


The moral of the story? not everyone who is unemployed chooses to be so..
of course not, but that does not mean they don't deserve to be. Not all do, but many people are fired with good cause every year. There are plenty of folks who never deal with that cause.

I think what gets to me most is the people who clain benefits when they don't need them. It tends to put a stigma on all people who claim benefits - like those of us with health reasons for not being able to work; people still tend to view us all as "spongers", just because some are.

Of course becuase they should invent jobs :rolleyes:

They were closing down many state owned places of employment, there inability to not fuck the economy up caused many thousands of bussinesses to shut down, they also sold off most public transport.

Those things caused the unemployment.

Sounds like an excuse to me.

Any professional will tell you, we don't give a rats arse how our secretary looks. (except one guy I know who has a jealous wife and a short attention span - he looks for frumpy women who won't disract him) All I care about is that my Adminastrative Assistant (more PC and accurate than 'Secratery' ) is able to do her job and maintain a pleasant disposition with me and my clients. Frankly I prefer an older one because she won't take maternity leave, she's not likely to be out late on dates and arriving hungover, and she has the maturity experience to relate well to those around her.
And studies show that an inherent, though usually not recognized, basis for hiring people is their looks: proportions of the face, age, size, etc. To pretend that's not the case is pure ignorance. Even without this knowledge I would call your statement lies and misinformation and if not that, a biased opinion of the entire workplace based on your opinion of yourself.

They were closing down many state owned places of employment, there inability to not fuck the economy up caused many thousands of bussinesses to shut down, they also sold off most public transport.

Those things caused the unemployment.
Do I really need sarcasm tags when including the rolleyes emoticon?

Those things caused the unemployment.
Silly me, I always thought it was overcapacity and lack of demand.

Oh, and unemployed state workers?? That is a good thing. I wish there were more of 'em. The government is too big as it is.

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding some of the original post. I've noticed some people mention being between jobs and/or just having difficulty finding a new one. I'm pretty sure he is talking about people that just don't try and live off the system and other people. I'm responding without reading every post, so I may end up seeming stupid because I missed something.

I don't work and I have tried to get one little crappy job this year. I didn't get it and I didn't care or try much. But I don't have to work, my wife makes enough money for both of us. I've met a lot of people that are bothered so much by my wife working and me being jobless. I'm just curious am I one of the people that make you sick?

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding some of the original post. I've noticed some people mention being between jobs and/or just having difficulty finding a new one. I'm pretty sure he is talking about people that just don't try and live off the system and other people. I'm responding without reading every post, so I may end up seeming stupid because I missed something.

I don't work and I have tried to get one little crappy job this year. I didn't get it and I didn't care or try much. But I don't have to work, my wife makes enough money for both of us. I've met a lot of people that are bothered so much by my wife working and me being jobless. I'm just curious am I one of the people that make you sick?
I think we are just arguing with B0zzy now, my assumption based on his nature and him repeatedly replying

And studies show that an inherent, though usually not recognized, basis for hiring people is their looks: proportions of the face, age, size, etc. To pretend that's not the case is pure ignorance.

Hmm, I'd would consider basing one's failure solely on their appearance over their ability is ignorance. Maybe not pure, but certainly refined.

Appearance certainly is a factor, but not the only one in considering job applicants. Also, I'd ammend that from 'appearance' to 'charisma'. I'm sure we've all met some frumpy looking folks who we instantly liked anyway - mark it up to charisma. I certainly look for charisma when looking for a person who will be dealing with my clients - particularly over the phone where looks are meaningless.

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding some of the original post. I've noticed some people mention being between jobs and/or just having difficulty finding a new one. I'm pretty sure he is talking about people that just don't try and live off the system and other people. I'm responding without reading every post, so I may end up seeming stupid because I missed something.

I don't work and I have tried to get one little crappy job this year. I didn't get it and I didn't care or try much. But I don't have to work, my wife makes enough money for both of us. I've met a lot of people that are bothered so much by my wife working and me being jobless. I'm just curious am I one of the people that make you sick?
Not many people make me sick. I only have a problem with people sponging off the system through laziness, not through difficulties of any kind. In fact, if I get better I fully intend to bring in an income while my partner is at home - same situation as you.

A man who fathers 7 kids and becomes unemployed to avoid looking after his obligations is scum. I'm sorry, but he's exactly who I'm talking about.

He didn't avoid work. He had a job, according to the post, because the person said he worked for pride, not money.

The fact is that you will always have people that dont want to work. I run a business which pays very well. Of course you have to show up for work to get paid. But its a good job. Socially its alot of fun. You have a good time while at work. Also you make alot of new friends if you wanted. But I have a hard time sometimes getting people to show for work. They call in with every excuse you can think of. I have to run a business. So after the third time of calling in 10 minutes before there shift I will fire them.
Basically some people are lazy. They dont have a work ethic and it will sometimes put them on the street. Its been like that throughout history. Neither you or I and the government can make the unwilling want to work. Just that simple. People please dont reward them by giving them money on the street corners. This only encourages this kind of behavior.

Hmm, I'd would consider basing one's failure solely on their appearance over their ability is ignorance. Maybe not pure, but certainly refined.

Appearance certainly is a factor, but not the only one in considering job applicants. Also, I'd ammend that from 'appearance' to 'charisma'. I'm sure we've all met some frumpy looking folks who we instantly liked anyway - mark it up to charisma. I certainly look for charisma when looking for a person who will be dealing with my clients - particularly over the phone where looks are meaningless.
But it is an inherent one. Two people with the same or similar qualifications, the better looking one will get better treatment and be preferred for the job. You are again biasedly basing your opinion of unemployed people, that person's whoever she was namely, solely on your perception of yourself. You pretend how you treat people is how EVERYONE does and thus no one should be unemployed ever and if they have a legitimate excuse it is moot becaus you wouldn't judge some one like that.

That's why it's called a crossover field. Banking has little to do with Financial Planing, yet people do it. I know many engeneers who retired then started a second career in accounting. Little in common, but enough for them to transition comfortably. Don't rule out too many options - if you're smart enough to do cost accounting you're smart enough to do any of the others I mentioned and many more I didn't.

Oh, I know I could branch into another accounting field, but, to be honest, I'm bored silly. I thrive on challenge and new ideas so, until recently, I have been in accounting jobs that allow me to analyze and interpret. I also love kids. Kids would offer a fresh perspective every day and if I could help them with their lives in some way it would be a win/win for me. This appreciation for young people and their ideas is probably one of the main reasons I enjoy NS so much.

You hate unemployed people, Rotovia? Well for the millions of people of people around the world who have been laid off due to restructuring, downsizing, stock market downturns and moving jobs off-shore, I borrow a line from Monty Python and 'fart in your general direction'.

You make it sound like most people who are or have been unemployed chose to be out of a job. As someone who has been downsized or restructured twice and spent months alternating between freaked out stress and depression while I looked for a new job, I'd really like to say a few things to you that would be extremely inappropriate on a public forum.

The same with the rest of you who think the same way he does.

You hate unemployed people, Rotovia? Well for the millions of people of people around the world who have been laid off due to restructuring, downsizing, stock market downturns and moving jobs off-shore, I borrow a line from Monty Python and 'fart in your general direction'.

You make it sound like most people who are or have been unemployed chose to be out of a job. As someone who has been downsized or restructured twice and spent months alternating between freaked out stress and depression while I looked for a new job, I'd really like to say a few things to you that would be extremely inappropriate on a public forum.

The same with the rest of you who think the same way he does.

I don't think that anyone disagrees that there are times when folks are "between jobs". What is under discussion are the eternally unemployed. They don't want to work and prefer to live on government subsidies supported by the working majority.

Let's begin by making it clear I am not refering to people with a legitimate medical or psychological conditions that limits their ability to work, as well as carers (ie stay at home mothers and partners of those with medical or psychological problems).

I'm talk about the million out there who have no reason they can't work, but are just too lazy to. Now, some of you may think I'm being harsh. But I was unemployed for 11 days before I found an awesome job.

You might say that's because I have an excellent track record in marketing, but I'm only young and really haven't been employed at my past jobs long enough for them to be decent references.

I mean come on, check your local paper, go to http://www.seek.com.au or the many employment sites out there! Don't have any references? Email me at wesleywidlend@hotmail.com and I'll write you one.

Hell, if you live in Brisbane, Australia and can legally work (ie work visa, travel visa etc) and have no major criminal convictions, I'll give you a job! No joke.

It is not that hard people! Get off your arses and find yourself a bloody job.

Maybe they're trying specifically to piss you off :eek:

Oh, I know I could branch into another accounting field, but, to be honest, I'm bored silly. I thrive on challenge and new ideas so, until recently, I have been in accounting jobs that allow me to analyze and interpret. I also love kids. Kids would offer a fresh perspective every day and if I could help them with their lives in some way it would be a win/win for me. This appreciation for young people and their ideas is probably one of the main reasons I enjoy NS so much.
You could always take a 50% cut in pay and teach... :cool:

I knew a guy once, who obviously had some issues as he had this habit of moving from state to state, getting married having a kid or two and then doing a runner. Now, he was up for a heck of a lot of child support payments (when I knew him, I think he'd fathered about 7 kids).


This guy should be neutered.

Besides, it's senseless to hate even the small fraction of the unemployed who are just plain lazy, if anything you should feel sorry for them.

Why should I feel sorry for someone who refuses to work and is content to live off my tax dollars?

Why should I feel sorry for someone who refuses to work and is content to live off my tax dollars?
People need to feel sorry for you more than them. You being all the self-righteous people who believe they are better than everyone else and sense they have a job and are ok, everyone else should be and if they don't its not their fault. If you ever go broke or are lying half-dead in a gutter somewhere, I would'nt suggest asking for help

I would kill for a decent job. "Too old" and "too disabled." :(

Let's work together to drop unemployment! Can you make more positions where you work? I'll help out. You help out. And if the unemployed get off their asses. Just because the government won't do anything... what's the expression "ask not what your country can do for you..."

In the US, there is a difference between unemployment and welfare. Unemployment is designed to help people who become unemployed through no fault of their own such as lay-off or company going out of business. The employers pay the unemployment taxes. Unemployment compensation is not unlimited as you can only collect it for a specific amount of time.

Welfare on the other hand is a different story. It is a long-term program and people can literally stay on it for years. This program really is abused here in the US. The money for this program comes out of Federal and State taxes. This program really needs an overhaul

I would kill for a decent job. "Too old" and "too disabled." :(

Write a book, dude. You've written about sixty thousand words on NS, so why not? It'd be a job, you'd be your own boss, and no asshole would be able to call you 'too old' or 'too disabled'.

Rotovia, you've put your email address on a public forum. Whats more, you've posted a thread that could well piss a few people off to the degree that they sign you up to certain websites.

Do you enjoy spam?

They are young, none have the money for college to get skills needed for getting a job in the area.

As for wear we are, a rural community in Wisconsin, they have branched out into nearby cities where jobs would be expected but have yet to find anything.

There are all kinds of Federal and State programs (loans, grants, etc.) to help people get a college or technical school education.

As far, as jobs go, have they tried the fast food and convince store business? Not exactly great jobs, but a start.

Another option that will give them a full time job with great benefits and training is the military. Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard would probably be the best branches to join given the current situation.

Write a book, dude. You've written about sixty thousand words on NS, so why not? It'd be a job, you'd be your own boss, and no asshole would be able to call you 'too old' or 'too disabled'.
I've started one, but writing a book is far easier said than done. Thank you for at least taking the time to make the suggestion! :fluffle:

As an older worker, I'm 54 today (no applause...just throw $10s and $20s), it is harder for me to find employment. A couple of years ago I lost my job and it took me almost 6 weeks to find another one. I'm an accountant. Employers seemed to be looking at younger people with more working years ahead of them rather than someone with 30 years of experience. I work for an MPO and there is a very real possibility that it may close in the next year or two. I shudder to think how difficult it might be for me to find another job if this happens.

Here in the US we have families with the 4th generation living on government entitlements. There is something wrong with a welfare system that allows this. How has living on a bare minimum subsistence become a preferable lifestyle?

If there is a very real possibility that your company will close within a year, may I suggest you start looking for a job now if you haven't already? The best time to find a new job is while you are still employed. It's tough enough finding a job at our age without the added stress of unemployment.

When I was 55 I started looking for another job because the working conditions at the company I was working for were deteriorating. I found an excellent job with a much better company and a 10% pay raise. Good luck to you.

The fact is that you will always have people that dont want to work. I run a business which pays very well. Of course you have to show up for work to get paid. But its a good job. Socially its alot of fun. You have a good time while at work. Also you make alot of new friends if you wanted. But I have a hard time sometimes getting people to show for work. They call in with every excuse you can think of. I have to run a business. So after the third time of calling in 10 minutes before there shift I will fire them.
Basically some people are lazy. They dont have a work ethic and it will sometimes put them on the street. Its been like that throughout history. Neither you or I and the government can make the unwilling want to work. Just that simple. People please dont reward them by giving them money on the street corners. This only encourages this kind of behavior.
i don't think these people are 'lazy' but simply that, for them, money is not a good motivator - they are motivated to do stuff, be it work or otherwise, by something other than money.

i say this because i am one of those. its not that i don't have a work ethic - if i like the work i'll work hard at it and produce the best result i can - but the prospect of money isn't what gets me going. i don't really mind how much i earn - i don't particularily want 'things'... just so long as i have enough money to eat, buy weed and beer i'm as content as i can be. the problem is, i don't actually know what does motivates me, if not money. its not the thrill of challenge because i shy away from challenge and really hate stress, and its not that sense of accomplishment one gets having completed a task - i rarely seem to feel anything of the sort. so i don't know what motivates me and am becoming increasingly convinced i'm going to end up unemployed and on the street :(


maybe that will shed some light on a viewpoint not previously voiced so far in this arguement (sorry if it has, i can't be bothered to read through all those posts ;) )

I agree!

the unemployed make me sick

yea totally.

there was this bum who coughed as i was walking by, and i think i'm getting a cold or something

If the worst happens and I am unable to find another job, and I can manage my budget, I will probably go back to school and work on a degree in child psychology.

When unemployment goes up, college admissions goes up. Many people go back to school to update their skills or retrain. Problem with a psychology degree is you need an MS or PhD to make a decent salary. Lots of school unless you have an undergraduate major in the area of study. But if that's your cup of tea, the schooling can be lots of fun and very rewarding. :)

I don't work and I have tried to get one little crappy job this year. I didn't get it and I didn't care or try much. But I don't have to work, my wife makes enough money for both of us. I've met a lot of people that are bothered so much by my wife working and me being jobless. I'm just curious am I one of the people that make you sick?

Hey, nothing wrong with what you are doing. You are not living off the unemployment system or the welfare system. I think the original poster is sick of the people who live off the system. Also, there is nothing wrong with a "stay at home dad."

I also love kids. Kids would offer a fresh perspective every day and if I could help them with their lives in some way it would be a win/win for me. This appreciation for young people and their ideas is probably one of the main reasons I enjoy NS so much.

Hey Zooke, why not go back to school part time and start working on that psychology degree now. Even if you never go into the field, you'll have a lot of fun in school and will be better prepared if something does happen. Think about it.

i don't think these people are 'lazy' but simply that, for them, money is not a good motivator - they are motivated to do stuff, be it work or otherwise, by something other than money.....

Laziness has nothing to do with unemployment in my experience.

I'm possibly the laziest person in Britain. I've been known to wait upto four hours for people to get home so I don't have to find the remote control. Or even so I don't need to strech and pick it up. However, I have a job and I do it well, because it's not so bad being there and, frankly, I get paid for it.

My Brother, on the other hand, is extremely hard working. He'll clean his entire house in a couple of hours. I don't think I've cleaned my house in a couple of years, personally, but hey, he just likes things clean. He's dedicated. He'd also been unemployed for upwards of four years until about 4 months ago.

Now, no-one can possibly deny that I'm vastly more charming, better looking and quick-witted than my brother ( ;) ), but he's probably a better worker than I am. Among other things, he's very organised. So why was he unemployed for so long, and I wasn't?

Unemployed people aren't automatically lazy worthless good-for-nothings leeching off the state. Those are LAWYERS. It's much easier to be lazy when you've got a job, really; it's just you have to be lazy at 9:00AM every day rather than 11:30.

There are all kinds of Federal and State programs (loans, grants, etc.) to help people get a college or technical school education.

As far, as jobs go, have they tried the fast food and convince store business? Not exactly great jobs, but a start.

Another option that will give them a full time job with great benefits and training is the military. Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard would probably be the best branches to join given the current situation.

College isn't an option for everyone, espeically when you can't get grants because of your parents income. They base your financial aid in this state on your parents income until you are 21 (possibly older then that I think now, I haven't worked in the UW offices for a year and a half now). Also need to be able to work and go to school at the same time if you want to pay rent, etc. Tution is not the only thing to worry about when going to college. If I wasn't living at home - paying only 200 in rent, plus a few other bills a month - I would have never made it as far as I did and even with that I only got an Assosicates Degree in Arts and Science which means zero to employers. There is no way I can afford another two years at a four year college and finish my degree without saving up for another three years before starting again. Financal aid is failing and tution is raising.

They have tried fast food - the one was a former shift manager and he still can't get in - they have tired all kinds of jobs. Retail, hardlabor, factor, etc. There isn't anything. They're still looking because you can't pay rent or eat when you don't have a job or unemployment. Two of them are about to loose their phones so they won't even be able to get calls from possible employeers anymore. Had to get a job if the employers can't get back to you, trust me I'd hired people without phones and it's a pain in the ass, most employers will not go though the hassle of getting through to the people for an interview.

As for military careers it's a said day when you have to sell your soul to live. They might has well prosititute themselves out if they're only going into the military just for money. Only one has that option as one is completely weak and small and would never pass the intial tests you need to even sign up (my sister when though the test and though the military is willing to cheat on results you couldn't get this girl though), one has a chest that was broke as a child and never repaired so it stickes out two inches and one good impact could kill him by punchiering lungs (they will not take him), and the other I think the last would be able to stoumch it.

All three are looking, I am hiring two for temperary work but that's all I can do because I only have temp Spring/Summer jobs which they normally work part time for me when they had other jobs, but what I can give really isn't enough and not real jobs. There are no jobs in the area and its not for lack of looking.

You being all the self-righteous people who believe they are better than everyone else and sense they have a job and are ok, everyone else should be and if they don't its not their fault.

Nope, I never feel I am better than someone else. Everyone no matter what their skills or station in life has some good qualities and abilities that I myself might not possess. So, don’t go there with me.

I have been unemployed three times in my life and was fortunate enough to collect unemployment for a couple of months (March to June) only one time. That was in 1970 when I left a job making $360.00 a week for medical reasons. I ended up taking a job for $115.00 a week and started over. I’ve been there also.

I have no problem with people who are temporarily out of work receiving unemployment, or those who are unable to work because of physical or mental disabilities receiving welfare. What I do have a problem with is people who will not work because the “job doesn’t pay enough” or “its not what I want to do” or… and live off the welfare system. Those are the people we are talking about here, the people who refuse to do anything for themselves and sponge of the rest of society.

I would kill for a decent job. "Too old" and "too disabled." :(

I understand and if I'm not mistaken you got your disability serving your country. Thank you. Fellow vet.

Hey guys, I've got a confession to make...

(whisper it quietly)

I'm unemployed. Oh that dirty word.

I hate that theory. Literally hate it. Why can't the economy be judged by the quality of life a nation enjoys, rather than by the nonsense economiss usse now.

Let's start making enough jobs for as many people as physically possible. I can employ 15 people before I have to take a pay cut. I'll employ 20 people! Come on. This isn't a joke.

Let's work together to drop unemployment! Can you make more positions where you work? I'll help out. You help out. And if the unemployed get off their asses. Just because the government won't do anything... what's the expression "ask not what your country can do for you..."


Most of the companies around my area walk the razor thin edge of bankruptcy, your not going to convince any of them that they should somehow squeeze in as many new workers as possible in the name of what? To what end? Already they are forced to make daily budget cuts to employee benefits and wages in effort to keep their businesses alive, now you think they should cut even more to make room for all the others who are jobless just because you want the world to be a smiley happy place with love and flowers?

The huge majority of jobs in the state where I live were all industrial. Those jobs are all gone now permanently, a few million positions that are all relocated to other countries, and they aren't coming back no matter how good the economy gets in the rest of the country, this state has been thoroughly stripped.. Consider that just four years ago all these positions were also filled by workers in their 50s+, who have rooted here their whole life, had no formal education beyond the first two years of high school, and had been just on the edge of retirement. You can't just tell them to go send out their resumes. Their resume says they are factory workers. Guess what, there aren't any more factories, their all in Mexico or China now. These are people who are unemployed at a time when the entire state economy has to redefine itself from the ground up. What these people are expected to do now is not impossible, but will take at least another 4-6 years of economic hell before things clear back up again. Many are simply moving, but many more are not so mobile, they have homes and families here, and they are angry about the prospect of having to do this.

There is no incentive at all to do what your talking about above. We can't just make room in my office for dead weight. There are tech jobs available where I work. We need a graphics artist and a programmer. How many of the few million ex industrial workers are there now that can fit that position? By the time they invest the money they dont have to retrain to fill either of these positions - the positions will have been filled by some kids fresh out of college who will work for virtually nothing. The only thing that these people are able to do right now is industrial work. If the employers had force retained all these people just to make you happy, the companies themselves would collapse and cease to exist completely. So instead of a few million people out of work, they all would have been out of work.

Laziness has nothing to do with unemployment in my experience.

I'm possibly the laziest person in Britain. I've been known to wait upto four hours for people to get home so I don't have to find the remote control. Or even so I don't need to strech and pick it up. However, I have a job and I do it well, because it's not so bad being there and, frankly, I get paid for it.

My Brother, on the other hand, is extremely hard working. He'll clean his entire house in a couple of hours. I don't think I've cleaned my house in a couple of years, personally, but hey, he just likes things clean. He's dedicated. He'd also been unemployed for upwards of four years until about 4 months ago.

Now, no-one can possibly deny that I'm vastly more charming, better looking and quick-witted than my brother ( ;) ), but he's probably a better worker than I am. Among other things, he's very organised. So why was he unemployed for so long, and I wasn't?

Unemployed people aren't automatically lazy worthless good-for-nothings leeching off the state. Those are LAWYERS. It's much easier to be lazy when you've got a job, really; it's just you have to be lazy at 9:00AM every day rather than 11:30.
you're the laziest person in britain!? while on a day-to-day basis i may not be able to compete (waiting 4 hours for a remote... lmao!), i often wish - very lazily - that i could just lay down and die, as it would be easier than life :(

hows that for lazy?

you're the laziest person in britain!? while on a day-to-day basis i may not be able to compete (waiting 4 hours for a remote... lmao!), i often wish - very lazily - that i could just lay down and die, as it would be easier than life :(

hows that for lazy?


wow

wow
so lazy its a problem :p

As for military careers it's a said day when you have to sell your soul to live. They might has well prosititute themselves out....

I'm sorry you feel that way. I spent over 26 years in the military and don't consider myself a prostitute. As a result of that military service, I have received marketable skills, a Masters Degree, a pension, and other benefits. Of course, I didn't go into the military just for money there were other reasons such as benefits, education, retirement and patriotism. I’m very proud of my service to my country. :(

I'm sorry you feel that way. I spent over 26 years in the military and don't consider myself a prostitute. As a result of that military service, I have received marketable skills, a Masters Degree, a pension, and other benefits. Of course, I didn't go into the military just for money there were other reasons such as benefits, education, retirement and patriotism. I’m very proud of my service to my country. :(

Thank you for it. :cool:

yeah, me too.

rank?

the prospect of money isn't what gets me going. i don't really mind how much i earn - i don't particularily want 'things'... just so long as i have enough money to eat, buy weed and beer i'm as content as i can be. the problem is, i don't actually know what does motivates me,
Umm, the 'problem' is pretty much right there for you to see in your own post. Once you identify it you can then move on to the solution.

Hey guys, I've got a confession to make...

(whisper it quietly)

I'm unemployed. Oh that dirty word.


How long? What type of work you looking for? Where are you?

At first, i saw the title and expected to see a long-winded flame towards all people who cannot work and some sort of advocation of eugenics and stamping out medical problems. Luckily, I was totally wrong.

Yeah, i agree with you, Rotovia. There are too many people that are taking advantage of the system in a way that's draining it of resources for people who actually need them. If someone can work and needs to work, they should be working or looking for a job. Although there are some cases where it's tough to find a job, usually there's something available is one looks hard enough.

Yeah, the unemployed make me sick too. Some homeless guy sneezed on me, and now I have a cold!

I'm sorry you feel that way. I spent over 26 years in the military and don't consider myself a prostitute. As a result of that military service, I have received marketable skills, a Masters Degree, a pension, and other benefits. Of course, I didn't go into the military just for money there were other reasons such as benefits, education, retirement and patriotism. I’m very proud of my service to my country. :(

If you would read the entire statement I said if that is the only reason for going into the military. The fact that people go in because it's the only way to survive for some is kinda of a scary idea to me. The first people to die are always the lower class. My point was totally missed because you found a buzz word, way to go.

Umm, the 'problem' is pretty much right there for you to see in your own post. Once you identify it you can then move on to the solution.
i see two factors you might identify as 'problems'. first, the weed. second, the fact that i don't know what motivates me.

i am too tired to think about which one you mean :confused:


fyi, the weed is not a problem. when i have things i think need doing, i don't smoke. i rarely smoke during the day either, mostly at night or the evening to help me relax - some people have a glass of wine or some beers, i enjoy a nice joint or two. i have a tendancy to 'over-think' (can never ever stop thinking about stuff... anything - my mind makes up things to think about if i stop, pause, or reach some kind of logical end to what i was thinking about), so the weed helps me shut my head up :headbang:

There will always be about 5% of the population who do not have a job. Its a standard economic truth. Those people who loose their jobs temporiarly (i.e. in a recession or just bad luck) should recieve unemployment benefits. They help ease the effects of a recession and prolong periods of prosperity. We should help the unemployed however we can.

How long? What type of work you looking for? Where are you?

How long?

For a while, I think, about 7 months.

What type of work are you looking for?

Adminstration, clerical.

Where are you?

The UK.

Let's begin by making it clear I am not refering to people with a legitimate medical or psychological conditions that limits their ability to work, as well as carers (ie stay at home mothers and partners of those with medical or psychological problems).

I'm talk about the million out there who have no reason they can't work, but are just too lazy to. Now, some of you may think I'm being harsh. But I was unemployed for 11 days before I found an awesome job.

You might say that's because I have an excellent track record in marketing, but I'm only young and really haven't been employed at my past jobs long enough for them to be decent references.

I mean come on, check your local paper, go to http://www.seek.com.au or the many employment sites out there! Don't have any references? Email me at wesleywidlend@hotmail.com and I'll write you one.

Hell, if you live in Brisbane, Australia and can legally work (ie work visa, travel visa etc) and have no major criminal convictions, I'll give you a job! No joke.

It is not that hard people! Get off your arses and find yourself a bloody job.

Have you considered the following?

a) Does the australian government have a NAIRU policy? Google it. In the UK in the 80s, the NAIRU was thought to be 10-15% so the government took economic measures to keep at least 10% of the population unemployed to keep inflation down. In the US currently, I am told, many in the government believe the NAIRU is around 5%

b) If the "bad" unemployed are so bone idle, why would you want them to work for you? I suggest that the part of the tax take that goes on unemployment benefits is a small price to pay to keep bone idle, deluded, badly behaved, undisciplined, unhygienic etc people out of the workforce, and thus out of my face.

c) Do you know the relative cost of unemployment welfare and corporate welfare in your country? I don't know it for mine, but I'f be interested to find out.

d) There is no unemployment in "traditional" ie stone-age societies. Hunter-gatherers, subsistence farmers etc. Welfare is a replacement, provided by the state, ie society, ie you, for your denial to people of their natural right to pick food off the trees and eat it, farm whereever there's a spare bit of land, and build a house out of leaves or whatever.

How long?

For a while, I think, about 7 months.

What type of work are you looking for?

Adminstration, clerical.

Where are you?

The UK.

You've been unemployed for 7 months, looking for clerical work in the UK? Why?

If I actually knew what you were asking, I would answer your question.

Why are you still unemployed?

or

Why are you looking for clerical work?

I totally agree with this and it is for that reason i am for the freezing of welfare in any country because as welfare increases the more people apply for it and remain jobless. If it were up to me i would reduce it but lets face it there would be an outcry. So simply freeze welfare at where it is and people will evetually realize that the only way they can survive is with a job. So for all the lazy welfare cases GET A JOB YOU BUM!

yeah, me too.

rank?

No I bathe and use deodorant. :D Retired as a Senior Master Sergeant (SMSgt.)
E-8, USAF.

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This thread reminded me of a converstaion i had with someone the other day. This is taken directly from my msn log, with the names removed:

Them:[finishing long rant about how they hate 'chavs] they cud easily be as smart as anbody else
Them: and make something useful with their life
Me: Have you got a job atm?
Them: no
Them: I lose my benefits if i get a job n then i wont be able to pay for rent
Me: i dont think i need to say anything else on the subject :P

Some people amaze me :/