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Well, should you?

Poll up in a moment.

Well, should you?

Poll up in a moment.

no

if there are catagories for people who live outside the region and want to express an opinon go for it

otherwise, no

No. You should include every possible group of people for every possible situation

If you give options to people of the other regions to vote for, or specifically state that you do not want them to vote for some sort of reason, preferably by stating in the poll "Only Aussies/Kiwis/Whatever".

Otherwise people will vote anyway and the poll's regional specificity will be nil. International fora should not have a "default" nationality, especially not one which has its servers in Europe.

I think the concept of implied intent is sufficient in my opinion.

Probably not a poll, but could start a thread regarding a topic of regional or local interest, especially if you have been on the forums long enough to know there are people in your region who would join in.

And the fact that the servers are in Europe is arbitrary. Max Barry is Australian. It's just the fact that the servers were the best of the various options that were needed.

Just give those not from the region an option to say that they are interested in seeing the poll results. An "I'm a nosey parker type" option.

And the fact that the servers are in Europe is arbitrary. Max Barry is Australian. It's just the fact that the servers were the best of the various options that were needed.

Again something pointing to the internationality of this forum. I have nothing against regionally specific threads, as those are interactive and outsiders can butt in if they wish to contribute. Polls are not. They stand there and are basicly wysiwyg.

It is basic etiquette, and sound poll design, to offer an option for those you wish to disqualify, or to mark it clearly that you don't want them to participate, hopefully for a good and polite reason (even though politeness on this forum may be too much to ask for).

Yes. Let's make a rule saying that you can't say a certain thing on this internet forum.

As an addition, I would also propose that Jews, Muslims and commies be unable to get accounts for this forum.

Just give those not from the region an option to say that they are interested in seeing the poll results. An "I'm a nosey parker type" option.
You don't need to vote in the poll, but you can just as surely post on opinion on the poll on the thread.

Yes. Let's make a rule saying that you can't say a certain thing on this internet forum.

As an addition, I would also propose that Jews, Muslims and commies be unable to get accounts for this forum.

How is that even remotely relevant? Or are you just pulling off-topic crap out of your ass?

Again something pointing to the internationality of this forum. I have nothing against regionally specific threads, as those are interactive and outsiders can butt in if they wish to contribute. Polls are not. They stand there and are basicly wysiwyg.

It is basic etiquette, and sound poll design, to offer an option for those you wish to disqualify, or to mark it clearly that you don't want them to participate, hopefully for a good and polite reason (even though politeness on this forum may be too much to ask for).
If you don't want to or can't or shouldn't participate, then don't.

You don't need to vote in the poll, but you can just as surely post on opinion on the poll on the thread.

No, you dont need to vote, but unless you vote you have to keep waiting to see the poll results, and can not see the comments at the same time.
If there is no space, then fine drop the I'm nosey option, otherwise what does it hurt to include it?

If you don't want to or can't or shouldn't participate, then don't.

What if I want? What if I can (which you always can)? What if people vote anyway, because people do. That's why any region centric poll here ends up being dreadfully skewed one way or the other, because people want to be able to vote in polls they find interesting.

Don't ask me why, but they do. Just look at all the US election polls - John Kerry always won those by a crushing margin. USians didn't like John Kerry that much at all; could all those other votes come from people who should not have voted, but who voted anyway either because there was no clear "I am not eligible to vote" option for them, or because there was no clear text asking them not to vote?

Again, I don't even demand poll options all the time. Just clear directives. It's awfully presumptuous to expect that your poll will not be interesting to people from other regions, and rude to just act as if they weren't there.

How is that even remotely relevant? Or are you just pulling off-topic crap out of your ass?

No need to be insulting. If you didn't find it funny, ignore it.

No, you dont need to vote, but unless you vote you have to keep waiting to see the poll results, and can not see the comments at the same time.
If there is no space, then fine drop the I'm nosey option, otherwise what does it hurt to include it?
It doesn't hurt, but if people don't want to, I don't care.

What if I want? What if I can (which you always can)? What if people vote anyway, because people do. That's why any region centric poll here ends up being dreadfully skewed one way or the other, because people want to be able to vote in polls they find interesting.

Don't ask me why, but they do. Just look at all the US election polls - John Kerry always won those by a crushing margin. USians didn't like John Kerry that much at all; could all those other votes come from people who should not have voted, but who voted anyway either because there was no clear "I am not eligible to vote" option for them, or because there was no clear text asking them not to vote?
Of course, this is the NS general forum, with self selecting polls. Self selecting polls aren't all that accurate in the first place for various reasons. And people are going to vote even if they are directed not to.

Again, I don't even demand poll options all the time. Just clear directives. It's awfully presumptuous to expect that your poll will not be interesting to people from other regions, and rude to just act as if they weren't there.
One should be able to assume that if a poll is obviously targeted like "who are you going to vote for in the election" then it is region specific it seems pretty obvious to me. I don't vote in polls relating to "who are you going to vote for in the dutch elections." It seems incredibly obvious to me.

What if I want? What if I can (which you always can)? What if people vote anyway, because people do. That's why any region centric poll here ends up being dreadfully skewed one way or the other, because people want to be able to vote in polls they find interesting.

Don't ask me why, but they do. Just look at all the US election polls - John Kerry always won those by a crushing margin. USians didn't like John Kerry that much at all; could all those other votes come from people who should not have voted, but who voted anyway either because there was no clear "I am not eligible to vote" option for them, or because there was no clear text asking them not to vote?

Again, I don't even demand poll options all the time. Just clear directives. It's awfully presumptuous to expect that your poll will not be interesting to people from other regions, and rude to just act as if they weren't there.
Um ... off-topic, but, seeing as I am an actual US citizen that follows politics here rather closely, John Kerry did NOT always win those by a crushing margin. the polls all showed Bush and Kerry neck-and-neck pretty much most of the way, with some swings after the conventions (much more of a bounce after the Republican one) and the debates (small advantage to Kerry). Actually, Bush was ahead more than Kerry in most of the polls taken before the election. The only polls that got questioned were the ones that were not released to the public: the exit polls that showed Kerry leading, but the actual results were different.

It doesn't hurt, but if people don't want to, I don't care.
Then what is this thread about? You asked a question you don't care about the answer to?

Um ... off-topic, but, seeing as I am an actual US citizen that follows politics here rather closely, John Kerry did NOT always win those by a crushing margin. the polls all showed Bush and Kerry neck-and-neck pretty much most of the way, with some swings after the conventions (much more of a bounce after the Republican one) and the debates (small advantage to Kerry). Actually, Bush was ahead more than Kerry in most of the polls taken before the election. The only polls that got questioned were the ones that were not released to the public: the exit polls that showed Kerry leading, but the actual results were different.

I was talking about NS polls. Real life US polls really mean nothing to me.

Well, should you?Should you be able to make a region-centric poll on an international forum? Hallelulla! I believe no. After all, if regions had their own way, there'd be no generalization betweeen individuals.

Of course, this is the NS general forum, with self selecting polls. Self selecting polls aren't all that accurate in the first place for various reasons. And people are going to vote even if they are directed not to.

They're not accurate IRL, but they could be accurate for NSian (General) USians. The way they ended up made them impossible to interpret.

One should be able to assume that if a poll is obviously targeted like "who are you going to vote for in the election" then it is region specific it seems pretty obvious to me. I don't vote in a poll relating to "who are you going to vote for in the dutch elections." It seems incredibly obvious to me.

Often "US elections" isn't even stated most of the time - anything "election" is apparantly taken to be "US election" be default. One clicks the link to vote, and, lo, no valid option for non-USians. What does one do? Sigh, yet again, or vote anyway? Either or is just as easy.

Also, I do not think you realise the scale at which US centric polls are exclusive or not marked to be exclusive.