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watch this (http://www.bodeba.com/devvo/thursday.htm) video, its a fly-on-the-wall documentary of a real chav in the UK. the guy takes some bad pills and end up properly fucked, about 3 minutes into it. personally, i found it quite... disturbing


the problem is that without government regulation bad pills, evidently like the ones taken in the video, and many other - especially manafactured/synthesised - drugs can knowingly produced to be 'bad' - inferior quality and potentially dangerous - drugs.

these people have indeed taken the risk of taking the drug in the first place, but without regulation the risk is needlessly higher than it need be if production of bad drugs were eliminated.

this couldn't be stamped out using police as what would be the point of only eliminating the suppliers of bad drugs when you may as well try to eliminate all suppliers, good or bad.

if there were one (or a few) main producer(s) of currently illegal recreational drugs then this sort of drug quality regulation could be enforced. this would require either state control of the production and supply - even sale - of these drugs.

alternatively, those drugs could be legalised, but somehow enforced so that only a few private-sector 'firms' (cartel's) could produce and supply the drugs.


of course you could just not try and regulate it at all and hope market forces work to produce a 'normal' market, with a higher firm concentration ratio... 'proper' businesses.



this isn't particularily my opinion, but i thought it was like recorded evidence for one of the main 'state control of drugs' arguements, and, in a way, the 'legalise drugs' arguement

i dunno... just thinking aloud

You sure do think a lot...

there is this hilarious old black and white movie of some troops (british i think) on lsd (or some drug that they say is put in their water each morning)

You sure do think a lot...
I think I have pills that can fix that.

there is this hilarious old black and white movie of some troops (british i think) on lsd (or some drug that they say is put in their water each morning)Ah the power of the placebo effect, or at the least not LSD. LSD degrades veddy, veddy quickly in average water.

You sure do think a lot...
i do. it keeps me awake at night :headbang:

I think I have pills that can fix that.
i've been smoking all evening to try and fix it... just can't seem to get high at the moment :( :(

Keep your thinking to yourself. Im just kiddin, at least you do ponder your thoughts, thats better than most people.

there is this hilarious old black and white movie of some troops (british i think) on lsd (or some drug that they say is put in their water each morning)

Hehehe! Seen it. :D

To me drugs are bad.. But I think it should be legalised for the sake of getting rid of cartels and black market.

My brother once told me, there should legalise drugs and build special 'drug houses'..

Where you can go there, pay a fee, and take your drugs in a safe environment under watchful eyes by professional doctors & nurses, so that you don't OD, die or injure other people. Plus your anonymity would be safely guarded.

Though no gurantee's can be given if you do die, but at least you have a better chance of surviving than taking drugs at home.

However this 'drug house' concept can backfire lots of ways though. But I think it's a better alternative than it currently is.

There are compelling reasons why all consensual crimes should be legalized. Recreational drugs, prostitution, gambling or anyothers. This is my favorite book on the reasons. The whole book is free online.
http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/toc.htm

He was rolling before he took that bong hit, his eyes were nothing but pupils.

If you take that massive amount of just about anything you are going to be seriously fucked up.

There are compelling reasons why all consensual crimes should be legalized. Recreational drugs, prostitution, gambling or anyothers. This is my favorite book on the reasons. The whole book is free online.
http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/toc.htm
Ooh, book!
I'll read it later when I'm bored.

There are compelling reasons why all consensual crimes should be legalized. Recreational drugs, prostitution, gambling or anyothers.
Yep, making something you want to do a crime doesn't stop you from doing it, it only unnecessarily makes you a criminal and can increase the consequences of such actions above and beyond the added consequence of it being illegal. Violence over drug sales or std's spreading through unregulated prostitution for example.

I think half the problem is not the victimless crime but the crimes like robbery linked with it to feed the habit.

I think half the problem is not the victimless crime but the crimes like robbery linked with it to feed the habit.
If the prices weren't so insanely high due to being black market items, the need to steal in order to afford it would also be reduced. Also, if the drug was legal, people would be more open about their use and could therefore be more easily monitored for such things. Also, it should be quite obvious that these crimes still exist in addition to the crime of using in and of itself, and that outlawing the drug has done nothing to stop, or even really slow either.

So really, you've got nothing.

I'd say it was more likely the LSD laced bong he had that messed him up as much as that, not to mention the fact that he was already rather far gone before the bong, which he subsequently followed with pills (and how many of them?) Too much of everything, not necessarily a bad pill.

I'd say it was more likely the LSD laced bong he had that messed him up as much as that, not to mention the fact that he was already rather far gone before the bong, which he subsequently followed with pills (and how many of them?) Too much of everything, not necessarily a bad pill.
I'd guess PCP myself, from what I've heard LSD tends to lost much of its potency when smoked (and pot and LSD are my two favorite drugs). But when I smoked pot laced with PCP, just 3 hits, and my brain was scrambled for the next 6 hours at least...

Edit: Ahh, seems the guy himself says it's LSD, but still, I highly doubt one hit of LSD laced pot alone would have done that to him and it probably was the pills that did him in.