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Bush wouldnt even know which end of the knife to use and which to hold

Blair is cunning, bush seems slow and stupid. without guns, Blair would kick ass

I imagine Bush wouldn't need the knife to win.

Bush wouldnt even know which end of the knife to use and which to hold

Yet he has some how managed to get more legistlation through congress than any president I can think of. Oh, and he managed to fight 2 wars, rebuild 2 countries, deal with 9/11 and a freak hurricane event in florida. And if I didnt mention our economy has also expanded by the largest amount in 5 years. And interest rates are low and next to no inflation.

What would it take to convince you of his competance? People lke you would be bitching even if he figured out a way to defy the laws of physics.

Grow up and pay attention to reality.

Bush would probably end up stabbing himsself i dont no how but yea probably :eek:

rebuild 2 countries

Haha! That is just delusional!

Yet he has some how managed to get more legistlation through congress than any president I can think of. Oh, and he managed to fight 2 wars, rebuild 2 countries, deal with 9/11 and a freak hurricane event in florida. And if I didnt mention our economy has also expanded by the largest amount in 5 years. And interest rates are low and next to no inflation.

What would it take to convince you of his competance? People lke you would be bitching even if he figured out a way to defy the laws of physics.

Grow up and pay attention to reality.

You are confusing the puppet with the puppetmasters (namely, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove).

Also, when the dollar is weakening, it artificially inflates GDP numbers, and inflation is stable only because food/energy prices aren't included in the numbers.

And the jobs that the Bush economy lost still haven't been fully replaced (admittedly, last I checked, a couple of months ago).

Grow up and pay attention to reality.

How about the fact that he's broken the record for largest defecit EVER?

Yet he has some how managed to get more legistlation through congress than any president I can think of. Oh, and he managed to fight 2 wars, rebuild 2 countries, deal with 9/11 and a freak hurricane event in florida. And if I didnt mention our economy has also expanded by the largest amount in 5 years. And interest rates are low and next to no inflation.

What would it take to convince you of his competance? People lke you would be bitching even if he figured out a way to defy the laws of physics.

Grow up and pay attention to reality.

Well I don't think the fighting two wars is something to be proud of, it shows he lacks the intelligence to work things out in a peaceful way. If he can't jump the first hurdle, he'll blow them all up instead. And I don't think he really rebuilt two countries, he destroyed most of the infrastructure in both, most Iraqis are actually worse off in terms of living standards than before the war. And with 9/11 didn't he sit in a classroom reading a book upside-down while the World Trade Centres burned? Good leadership there. I also thought the US economy is going down the drain, well thats what is said here. The dollar is getting weaker, which is making going abroad for Americans even more expensive, and making American exports cheaper for Europe. Well sure, he may have done some good things, but the things you just mentioned were not his best points.

Blair would win, but he would sustain wounds in the process, dying later on after contracting the flesh eating superbug in a drity NHS hospital.*

* Feel the burn of my cutting political satire :D

Is Blair allowed to smile? This is his main means of disarming the opponent, it being one of the four most horrific sights that mankind has ever been exposed to.
If not - Bush, (Blair is the anti-epitomy of a man of action, wheras Bush at least knows how to move a little)
If Blair is alowed to smile, he wins a knife fight against almost anyone who is not blind.

Dude you just got yourself into a heap full of arguments. Lets just skim some "minor" points to your conclusion. George W. Bush has yet to veto a billl in his upcoming 5 years in office. He made tax cuts for the wealthy. attempting to privitize social security, faught a war under false pretenses. he has sucessfully stolen two elections, Florida and Ohio. he somehow got condoleeza rice as the secretary of state. Face it, money buys power, and im no john kerry fan either, but when you just get laid out in all 3 debates by a guy with a horse face, something has to be up. I could basically go on and on. There is no way to change this government. Its not the government, its the people who run the government, its the people. Now dont tell me to grow up. you conservative loser

Yet he has some how managed to get more legistlation through congress than any president I can think of. Oh, and he managed to fight 2 wars, rebuild 2 countries, deal with 9/11 and a freak hurricane event in florida. And if I didnt mention our economy has also expanded by the largest amount in 5 years. And interest rates are low and next to no inflation.

What would it take to convince you of his competance? People lke you would be bitching even if he figured out a way to defy the laws of physics.

Grow up and pay attention to reality.

oh ya you dumbass why the fuck would you bring up a stupid ass argument like this in a knife fight debate.

And the jobs that the Bush economy lost still haven't been fully replaced (admittedly, last I checked, a couple of months ago).
They were replaced, IIRC, albeit by only with a small, small surplus.

G W B would win, no question. Cowboy against a pathetic English gentleman, what do you think.

Blair will slash Bush in the throat. After Bush reels from the hit, he lunges at blair and stabs him right in the heart. Blair then says something along the lines of well played, chap. They both fall to the ground and die like warriors.

You are confusing the puppet with the puppetmasters (namely, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove).

Also, when the dollar is weakening, it artificially inflates GDP numbers, and inflation is stable only because food/energy prices aren't included in the numbers.

And the jobs that the Bush economy lost still haven't been fully replaced (admittedly, last I checked, a couple of months ago).

1) do you have some insight into the goings on of the president that you care to tell us about? Are you a Washington insider who knows whats what? I dont have this type of access, so i am willing to give the person who the people elected the benefit of the doubt.

2) how does a weak dollar ARTIFICIALLY inflate gdp? explain this one to me. All it does is boost exports and increase tourism. Of Course, its been a few years since I got my MBA in Finance so I could easily be overlooking something

3) Check the jobs figure again. Also pay attention to the houseold survey which is more relevent to a white collar/consultancy/services type of economy than the payroll(works better for manufacturing economies). While your at it you could look at the unemployment rate and initial jobless claims numbers. You might also want to check median income levels and wage growth ex inflation. Given that this is how I make my living, I am pretty happy with the economy(not that I think any president has much control over the economy)

4) Food and energy have ALWAYS been excluded, why bring up the point now? Do you think Bush directly controls the price of oil? Did Clinton have this power? It would be a nice thing to have short of opening up our strategic reserves. If the green freaks let of for a little bit maybe we could build a new refinery or two, given that we havent built one in 30 odd years. When you run at 95+capacity year round, there is bound to be pricing pressure. Maybe we could stick to less than 10 differant gasoline standards, that would be nice. So that maybe if there was a shortage of gas in california, they could import some from Nevada(cant do that now).

G W B would win, no question. Cowboy against a pathetic English gentleman, what do you think.

Heheh. Only though Blair isn't a pathetic English gentleman, hes a hardcore rockstar! Before he went into Politics he was in a punk rock band! Strange but true!

How about the fact that he's broken the record for largest defecit EVER?

As a percent of our gdp he hasnt come close. Of course I dont have to explain to someone of your intellect that $100 50 years was worth more than $100 today. Surely you can grasp this concept, and were just saying this to be funny. It isnt because you have been spoon fed your info and mindlessly repeat everything you hear.

Bush will win it because he's from Texas and texans know how to fight!

G W B would win, no question. Cowboy against a pathetic English gentleman, what do you think.
I remember what a cowboy all the other presedents were in Vietnam

Bush would probably end up stabbing himsself i dont no how but yea probably :eek:

You imply President Bush is stupid, but you cannot spell, use punctuation, and do not know how to capitalize. :(

How about the fact that he's broken the record for largest defecit EVER?

Hard to fight a war without a defecit.

They're both idoits. :mad:

Bring on the General election Tories for government, they cant do worse than labour! :headbang:

1) do you have some insight into the goings on of the president that you care to tell us about? Are you a Washington insider who knows whats what? I dont have this type of access, so i am willing to give the person who the people elected the benefit of the doubt.

2) how does a weak dollar ARTIFICIALLY inflate gdp? explain this one to me. All it does is boost exports and increase tourism. Of Course, its been a few years since I got my MBA in Finance so I could easily be overlooking something

3) Check the jobs figure again. Also pay attention to the houseold survey which is more relevent to a white collar/consultancy/services type of economy than the payroll(works better for manufacturing economies). While your at it you could look at the unemployment rate and initial jobless claims numbers. You might also want to check median income levels and wage growth ex inflation. Given that this is how I make my living, I am pretty happy with the economy(not that I think any president has much control over the economy)

4) Food and energy have ALWAYS been excluded, why bring up the point now? Do you think Bush directly controls the price of oil? Did Clinton have this power? It would be a nice thing to have short of opening up our strategic reserves. If the green freaks let of for a little bit maybe we could build a new refinery or two, given that we havent built one in 30 odd years. When you run at 95+capacity year round, there is bound to be pricing pressure. Maybe we could stick to less than 10 differant gasoline standards, that would be nice. So that maybe if there was a shortage of gas in california, they could import some from Nevada(cant do that now).

1)Yes. :D

2)If goods become more expensive, the dollar amount of GDP goes up assuming the same amount of goods are sold. Since food and oil are included in the GDP but excluded from the inflation rate, price increases here can inflate the GDP and make the economy look better than it really is.

Also a weak dollar theoretically increases the cost of imports (Notice that we still have a huge freakin' trade deficit?), though the influence of Wal-Mart has held this effect down somewhat, as it is the largest importer of goods from China and isn't willing to adjust to cost increases absorbed by suppliers.

3)http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3

OK, looking at this graph, the number of jobs might have broken even since Nov 04. However, the unemployment rate is higher because the economy still has not generated enough jobs to keep up with workforce growth.

However, real wages are flat or falling (http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_07162004), depending on what statistic you want to look at.

4)Yes, they always have been excluded from the official inflation rate. Too bad I can't exclude inflation in the food and energy sectors from my pocketbook. It still affects the economy.

Ever notice when companies, especially retail, report below expected earnings, they can usually be heard mumbling something like "lack of discretionary income due to rising energy prices?"

Yes, the bottleneck in refining capacity has some influence over oil prices--so does the increasing cost of crude. The latter is where foreign policy can have LOTS of effect, like pressuring Saudi Arabia (supposedly Bush's friend?) to increase output. This is where I get to blame Bush. :D

1)Yes. :D

2)If goods become more expensive, the dollar amount of GDP goes up assuming the same amount of goods are sold. Since food and oil are included in the GDP but excluded from the inflation rate, price increases here can inflate the GDP and make the economy look better than it really is.

Also a weak dollar theoretically increases the cost of imports (Notice that we still have a huge freakin' trade deficit?), though the influence of Wal-Mart has held this effect down somewhat, as it is the largest importer of goods from China and isn't willing to adjust to cost increases absorbed by suppliers.

3)http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3

OK, looking at this graph, the number of jobs might have broken even since Nov 04. However, the unemployment rate is higher because the economy still has not generated enough jobs to keep up with workforce growth.

However, real wages are flat or falling (http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_07162004), depending on what statistic you want to look at.

4)Yes, they always have been excluded from the official inflation rate. Too bad I can't exclude inflation in the food and energy sectors from my pocketbook. It still affects the economy.

Ever notice when companies, especially retail, report below expected earnings, they can usually be heard mumbling something like "lack of discretionary income due to rising energy prices?"

Yes, the bottleneck in refining capacity has some influence over oil prices--so does the increasing cost of crude. The latter is where foreign policy can have LOTS of effect, like pressuring Saudi Arabia (supposedly Bush's friend?) to increase output. This is where I get to blame Bush. :D

1) fair enough. Though some details about your insight wold go a long way to convincing me.

2) As the dollar weakens, imports become(as you stated) relatively more expensive and a substittion effect takes place. Many goods have a domestic counterpartwhose price would not have risen). Companies also alter their selling prices within reason to maintain market share.

Yes, high food and oil prices will add to the gdp, but their drag(especially oil) on the economy is more significant. If anything, I believe that high oil prices act as a deflater to the gdp. A substition effect also takes place with food and oil. It leads to less discretionary spending meaning that consumers might forgo a trip to the movies or eating out because they have to spend more on food and oil, so whatever increase that higher food and oil prices might have had on gdp is offset by less spending on other facets of life.

Imports from china are not as relevant to a weak dollar as you might ordinarily think because the Chinese currency is pegged to the dollar. The chinese exporter gets the same regardless of the dollars strength or weakness. The only differance is that he might get more money by selling his goods to another country, but there is only so much of this effect that can take place given that the US is(I believe but havent looked into it) China's largest trading partner.

If you were paying attention to the latest round of earnings(just finishing) most companies had great earnings..even retail.

3) job growth is not as great as I would like, but it is still pretty damn good given the last 4 years. Hardly a painful recession especially given the scope of the bubble that preceeded it.

as far as real wages go, I will have to state that I really dont like your source. Given your apparant knowledge, you should know what that site is all about. here is a link from factcheck http://www.factcheck.org/article208.html

I will give better links when i get to work on monday.

4) I am not making an argument justifying that they should be excluded,
both numbers are readily available. There is a great deal of value in knowing the "core" inflation rate. And yes, we have to pay for oil and food regardless of whether economists want to include it or not..Life is weird that way.

It is my understand(though this isnt my field) that Saudi Arabia is almost at capacity. It is venezuela thats the real problem and Putin fucking around with Ukos.Oil prices are not at crippling levels yet and nowhere near as bad(inflation adjusted) as they have been during some other presidents(name withheld because of my disgust with the man, and no it isnt Clinton whom I think did a pretty decent job). And the huse is Saud is friends with anyone who will keep them from being killed by their own population.

The world oil market has to deal with the fact that because of China and India the demand for oil has far outstripped capacity. New fields are being developed, this isnt a 1 or 2 year problem. We get most of our oil from Canada and Venezuela and Mexico in any case. Only something like 16% comes from the middle east.

Let me emphasize once again though, the largest impact on the price of gas and heating oil is that our refineries are at max capacity. Thats not something that the president can do without the help of congress. We can also put up more nuke and coal plants instead of using oil and gas for electricity production. Coal is pretty clean these days, but the greens wont have it

I think Blair would win. His deputy is John Prescott, the hardest politician around. He punched up an annoying reporter!!! The worst Cheney has ever done was to tell a Democrat to fuck themselves. :rolleyes:

Yet he has some how managed to get more legistlation through congress than any president I can think of. Oh, and he managed to fight 2 wars, rebuild 2 countries, deal with 9/11 and a freak hurricane event in florida. And if I didnt mention our economy has also expanded by the largest amount in 5 years. And interest rates are low and next to no inflation.
What has any of this got to do with knife-fighting?

Hard to fight a war without a defecit.

It's not the first war the US has fought

Also, in a knife-fight, state competence is irrelevant, Blair would just get in there and chop bush to pieces because he's fat and lazy, whereas Blair is fighting fit.

In a knife fight? They'd realize they both have problems with [insert world leader] and team up and hunt the [insert previously inserted world leader] down

I think Blair would win. His deputy is John Prescott, the hardest politician around. He punched up an annoying reporter!!! The worst Cheney has ever done was to tell a Democrat to fuck themselves. :rolleyes:


What has any of this got to do with knife-fighting?

well, some guy was saying that Bush is so incompetant that he would wind up stabbing himself. So I am pointing out things that might make him reconsider his views on Bush's competance. If I knew something about his knife fighting ability, I would have used that instead..but we all have to work with what we have.

G W B would win, no question. Cowboy against a pathetic English gentleman, what do you think.

Blair was born in Scotland so he's a natural born fighter.

Blair works out.

He'd wup Bush's arse.

I think Blair would win. His deputy is John Prescott, the hardest politician around. He punched up an annoying reporter!!!

I think it was a farmer (your talking about the egg throwing incident right?)

Bush seems to be larger and would probably have the longer reach. Long reach would probably be very important in a knife fight so I'd have to give the advantage to Bush.

Bush and Blair would both cower away from each other, curl up into a foetal position in opposite corners of the room, whimper, sob, suck thumbs, urinating and shitting themselves, before Blair got to his knees, Bush got back onto his feet, meeting in the middle of the room for a bit of 'While you're down there' action.

Yet he has some how managed to get more legistlation through congress than any president I can think of. Oh, and he managed to fight 2 wars, rebuild 2 countries, deal with 9/11

Considering Congress don't even read a lot of legislation that goes through, that doesn't surprise me. Ah, the lovely U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act: has a nice name, and look how cleverly they made the name an acronym... must be good for America, let's pass it. Rebuild two countries? I think you spelled 'annihilate' incorrectly there. Deal with 9/11? How!? (Note: I don't expect answers, see sig.)


On the topic of the knife fight, I voted Blair in the poll but now I've reconsidered that although Bush is a political idiot, he's a violent type and so probably recieved training in case any terrorists/communists/democrats/muslims come near him.

look, i live in britain and tony blair is a, well i can't really say what he is, but hes a crap prime-minister, he keeps raising taxes to give to islamic asylum seekers, bush kills the at least

:mp5: :sniper:

Oh, and he managed to fight 2 wars, rebuild 2 countries, deal with 9/11 and a freak hurricane event in florida.

Three words: My. Pet. Goat.

look, i live in britain and tony blair is a, well i can't really say what he is, but hes a crap prime-minister, he keeps raising taxes to give to islamic asylum seekers, bush kills the at least

:mp5: :sniper:
:rolleyes:

Get back under your bridge.

Three words: My. Pet. Goat.

Yes and?

Isanyonehome your such a flame

while bush is figureing out how to hold the knife best to defeat "terriosts" tony would stab him ^_^

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse.4605028?zoom=yes#zoom

By the time Blair finished his 'Let's have a fight!' sentence, Bush would not only have stabbed him but cut up his corpse, prepared it neatly and served it up at the annual 'WE ARE EVIL POLITICIANS AND WE EAT HUMAN FLESH' convention. Even then he'd still be talking.

Damnit! :mad:

The poll closed before I found it, I reckon Blair would win, he's that bit slyer and more cunning, wheras Bush strikes me as a strong, but dull witted silver-back who'd be outwitted and fought by the smart monkey.

What I'd like though would be for the pair of them to get in lethal blows and then die of their wounds at the same time, in each others arms, thus maintaining the special relationship. ;)