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the reason this all happened, is because the black woman cut in line of the man on the phone. all he said is that it may take longer to get the pizza. that is when this ensued.

the reason this all happened, is because the black woman cut in line of the man on the phone. all he said is that it may take longer to get the pizza. that is when this ensued.

I don't know what race had to do with it other than coincidence. This is merely an example of a couple of people with a total lack of social skills and good sense. People like this come in all colors.

And again I wait for a sane, indisputable reason for racism.

And again I wait for a sane, indisputable reason for racism.
Have a cushion. You might be here for a while.

And again I wait for a sane, indisputable reason for racism.

There is no reason for racism. We are all descended from the same source. Our physical differences come from adaption to differing environments.

And you got it from ebaums world...how credible...

Well wherever this came from I have to agree with the original poster. My question is why didnt anyone else jump up and try to stop this guy from getting beat? I know if I were there with my friends this wouldnt have gone down like this.

Here is some more reading. This has to do with the Mardi Gras riots in Seattle. Alot of Black on White crime here. How do I know this. I was there. There is alot of articles out there about this. This one is an interesting one.

www.eaif.org/Newsrelease/needforfbi_24aug01.htm (http://www.eaif.org/Newsrelease/needforfbi_24aug01.htm)

She didn't do it because he's white, she did it because she's stupid.

There is a high probability that her partner is rotting in jail right now.

All those people standing around doing nothing. What a sad, sad world we live in. Oh well.

All that and they didn't get their pizza.

Again if you think these are isolated incidents here is another good example. This one points out that media downplays this as racial. Which it clearly is.

www.adversity.net/Cincinnati_Race_Riots/Editorial%20-%20Black%20on%20White%20Violence.htm

Well wherever this came from I have to agree with the original poster. My question is why didnt anyone else jump up and try to stop this guy from getting beat? I know if I were there with my friends this wouldnt have gone down like this.
The guy looks pretty heavy and my friend is useless, personaly I would think twice before doing something.
The thing is, if in a group, people always wait for someone else to make a move first.

Heres some more statistical info on race crimes.

www.jabpage.org/features/racestat4.html (http://www.jabpage.org/features/racestat/racestat4.html)

And again I wait for a sane, indisputable reason for racism.

There is no sane reason. Indisputable? Read the above links. If this doesnt get your head out of the sand then I dont know what will.

Wow. Next we'll have proof how the Negro is an inferior being to the Great White Race. I love unbiased posters making unbiased points about completely nonsubjective topics!

Wow. Next we'll have proof how the Negro is an inferior being to the Great White Race. I love unbiased posters making unbiased points about completely nonsubjective topics!

This isnt about people saying that blacks are inferior. This is a point that there is alot of black on white violence. But yet again by your post here this illustrates why people need to realize this kind of thing. Get a damn clue people.

What a bunch of pussies. I would have jumped in and stabbed the shit out of the big dude and his wife. Unless I had my pistol on me of course. I can't beleive people just stand around and watch stuff like this happen.

This isnt about people saying that blacks are inferior. This is a point that there is alot of black on white violence. But yet again by your post here this illustrates why people need to realize this kind of thing. Get a damn clue people.
Actually I've only twice had to fight black people. Most of my fights have been against whites. One against a Puerto Rican.

I don't know what race had to do with it other than coincidence. This is merely an example of a couple of people with a total lack of social skills and good sense. People like this come in all colors.
Very true, Zooke. One of the primary reasons that it's easier to remember black-on-white violence, as opposed to say white-on-white violence, is that African-Americans are an easily identifiabe "out group." Skin color is readily identifiable, and helps fix a particular incident in our memory.

No reasonable person would deny that black-on-white violence exists, but I strongly suspect it forms a much smaller percentage of violent crimes than white-on-white or black-on-black or even white-on-black. Some valid statistics on this would be interesting.

This isnt about people saying that blacks are inferior. This is a point that there is alot of black on white violence. But yet again by your post here this illustrates why people need to realize this kind of thing. Get a damn clue people.

Oh oh I need to realize this kind of thing? Tell me why I need to 'realize' it. Tell me what good it does to know. Tell me what you plan on doing to make the world a better place because you possess this vastly important and secret knowledge that... could only have been gained by looking at a handful of statistics and watching an ebaumsworld video?

This IS about blacks are inferior. It's about racism! It's about correlating bullshit to race, so that people can continue to ramble on about which race has the biggest penis. How about black on black violence, or white on white, white on black, black on half-white, half-black on three-quarters white? Let's make sure to include all of the millions of possible cominbations of genetics that lead to so-called "race" distinctions.

Or let's not.

What a bunch of pussies. I would have jumped in and stabbed the shit out of the big dude and his wife. Unless I had my pistol on me of course. I can't beleive people just stand around and watch stuff like this happen.
That passed through my mind too. What's really interesting to me is how much more polite everyone is here in dear old North Carolina since we passed the concealed carry law. :D

Oh oh I need to realize this kind of thing? Tell me why I need to 'realize' it. Tell me what good it does to know. Tell me what you plan on doing to make the world a better place because you possess this vastly important and secret knowledge that... could only have been gained by looking at a handful of statistics and watching an ebaumsworld video?

This IS about blacks are inferior. It's about racism! It's about correlating bullshit to race, so that people can continue to ramble on about which race has the biggest penis. How about black on black violence, or white on white, white on black, black on half-white, half-black on three-quarters white? Let's make sure to include all of the millions of possible cominbations of genetics that lead to so-called "race" distinctions.

Or let's not.

Your an idiot.

Most violent crimes committed by blacks are against other blacks. The same with whites. Most murders are committed by someone the victim knows. Especially when the victim is a woman. A woman is most likely to be murdered by her significant other.

Your an idiot.

Haha, a racist who can't even spell "you're" is calling someone else an idiot! *giggles*

Your an idiot.

Maybe YOU'RE an idiot. :p

Your an idiot.

Complete inability to respond to a single point or answer a single question or make a single intelligent statement renders your argument and opinion neutralized and irrelevant to this discussion!

Have a nice day.

Again if you think these are isolated incidents here is another good example. This one points out that media downplays this as racial. Which it clearly is.

www.adversity.net/Cincinnati_Race_Riots/Editorial%20-%20Black%20on%20White%20Violence.htm


honey, I live in cincinnati, let me tell you how it really breaks down. That guy that got shot by the officer had a previous record, I warrant for his arrest and known gun violence. So if he reached down like he was going for a gun then that cop had every right to shoot him and I would have done the same thing, because I would rather kill someone than be killed. If that man didn't want any trouble his ass should have stopped running and cooperated wiht the officer like the law requires, not go running through alleys.

A woman is most likely to be murdered by her significant other.
BK, I love you like a sister, but I'm going to need some proof of this.

Maybe YOU'RE an idiot. :p
And maybe, just maybe, we're all "idiots" from time to time, yes? :D

I live in cincinnati
I use to live in Forest Park, and work at that massive GE Aircraft Engine Group complex over off of Highway ... 75 was it??? :)

Complete inability to respond to a single point or answer a single question or make a single intelligent statement renders your argument and opinion neutralized and irrelevant to this discussion!

Have a nice day.

Number one Im not a racist as someone said earlier. In fact married to a black women. If you want a pic I can put it up for you all. I am just pointing out in this post there is alot of racial hatred coming from the black community. I have personally heard alot of racial slanders towards me while with my wife out in public. This doesnt come from whites. So to sit there and call me a racist. I think not.

I am trying to back up the original posters point. Which there is a problem with racial violence in America. Yes whites and Hispanics are involved too.

Another thing is evident by your somewhat lame attempts to counter the truth. Is that it shows that to many people have there head in the sand.

Now I say good day!

honey, I live in cincinnati, let me tell you how it really breaks down. That guy that got shot by the officer had a previous record, I warrant for his arrest and known gun violence. So if he reached down like he was going for a gun then that cop had every right to shoot him and I would have done the same thing, because I would rather kill someone than be killed. If that man didn't want any trouble his ass should have stopped running and cooperated wiht the officer like the law requires, not go running through alleys.


Ok, Did you read that whole link? Just wondering..

Your an idiot.
Potent counter-argument you got there. Hard to overcome that powerful logic ;)

Haha, a racist who can't even spell "you're" is calling someone else an idiot! *giggles*

What a comeback. Write something intelligent next time

There is no sane reason. Indisputable? Read the above links. If this doesnt get your head out of the sand then I dont know what will.

Right. I took a look at these "indisputable" links.

#1 and #2 are each someone's opinion about a situation. In neither case, according to the op pieces, did the news media actually identify any racial motivation for anything. According to the pieces, the media "declined to mention" this "fact". In addition, the emotive language they use is over the top and far from anything found in fact-based journalism.

So, do they have a slanted view of the situation, or is the media as a group covering something up? I'm betting on the media this time. They're never shy to print a sensationalist story when they facts actually support it.

#3 purports to be a statistical analysis. Now, the guy writes 18 pages of racial hatred, backing it up with selective statistics. He does touch on urbanization and poverty, both of which are undoubtedly part of the real problem. But he looks for simple answers and when no one factor fits the data, he states each time that "blacks are violent". Nowhere does he consider:

- there might be a combination of factors
- there might be other factors he does not consider
- correlation is not the same as causation

And his language is more egregious than the others, and hardly limiting himself to blacks. To wit: "The Jews won't have you betraying your country before they have had first crack at it!" (page 5) and "Wetbacks to one side" (page 11).

Even without dissecting the statistics (which I did a bit of, but it's too tedious looking up enough data to get a clear picture right now), it's clear the author is approaching the subject from a biased view, a clear indication the statistical analysis will be flawed.

What a comeback. Write something intelligent next time

You should have followed your own advice.

Oh, and you are most definitely racist.

Number one Im not a racist as someone said earlier. In fact married to a black women. If you want a pic I can put it up for you all.
pic! pic! pic!

Number one Im not a racist as someone said earlier. In fact married to a black women. If you want a pic I can put it up for you all. I am just pointing out in this post there is alot of racial hatred coming from the black community. I have personally heard alot of racial slanders towards me while with my wife out in public. This doesnt come from whites. So to sit there and call me a racist. I think not.

I am trying to back up the original posters point. Which there is a problem with racial violence in America. Yes whites and Hispanics are involved too.

Another thing is evident by your somewhat lame attempts to counter the truth. Is that it shows that to many people have there head in the sand.

Now I say good day!

Anyone could type that shit and it not be true.

I don't know what race had to do with it other than coincidence. This is merely an example of a couple of people with a total lack of social skills and good sense. People like this come in all colors.

Would it be a coincidence if a white person attacked a black person? No, it'd be a hate crime.

BK, I love you like a sister, but I'm going to need some proof of this.

For every age group female murder victims are more likely than
male victims to have been killed by an intimate

Percent of all murders by intimates, 1976-2002
Male victims Female victims

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Under 18 1 % 6 %
18-24 2 29
25-29 5 37
30-34 7 41
35-39 8 43
40-44 10 41
45-49 10 40
50-59 10 32
60+ 7 20

Most victims of intimate homicide are killed by their spouses,
although much less so in recent years
From this site: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/intimates.htm

Homicide victim/offender relationship
In 1992, about 32 percent of female victims of homicide were known to have been killed by a non-intimate relative or acquaintance, while 40 percent of male homicide victims were killed by a non-intimate relative or acquaintance. Also, in 1992, strangers killed 8.6 percent of female homicide victims and 15 percent of male homicide victims.


Crime in the United States 1992, Uniform Crime Reports 1992, Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Department of Justice.

FBI press office: 202-324-3691, FBI

That was from this one: http://www.bmsg.org/pcvp/FAMILYV.SHTML

Of all the people a woman is likely to be killed by, a mate or ex-mate is the most likely.

Would it be a coincidence if a white person attacked a black person? No, it'd be a hate crime.

No, no it wouldn't.

And maybe, just maybe, we're all "idiots" from time to time, yes? :D

I only said that to point out that if he's going to call someone an idiot he should know the difference between "your" and "you're."

If I'm going to call someone an idiot, I try not to make it too obvious that I might be one too.

Anyone could type that shit and it not be true.

Its completely true. I dont make up things like that. Just hard to accept by some people. So one gets flamed for pointing out the truth. Who says that all you type is true? I mean you could say that about any post by anyone. Everything I say I can back up with either a link or a common known fact. More than I could say for some people.

Right. I took a look at these "indisputable" links.

#1 and #2 are each someone's opinion about a situation. In neither case, according to the op pieces, did the news media actually identify any racial motivation for anything. According to the pieces, the media "declined to mention" this "fact". In addition, the emotive language they use is over the top and far from anything found in fact-based journalism.

So, do they have a slanted view of the situation, or is the media as a group covering something up? I'm betting on the media this time. They're never shy to print a sensationalist story when they facts actually support it.

#3 purports to be a statistical analysis. Now, the guy writes 18 pages of racial hatred, backing it up with selective statistics. He does touch on urbanization and poverty, both of which are undoubtedly part of the real problem. But he looks for simple answers and when no one factor fits the data, he states each time that "blacks are violent". Nowhere does he consider:

- there might be a combination of factors
- there might be other factors he does not consider
- correlation is not the same as causation

And his language is more egregious than the others, and hardly limiting himself to blacks. To wit: "The Jews won't have you betraying your country before they have had first crack at it!" (page 5) and "Wetbacks to one side" (page 11).

Even without dissecting the statistics (which I did a bit of, but it's too tedious looking up enough data to get a clear picture right now), it's clear the author is approaching the subject from a biased view, a clear indication the statistical analysis will be flawed.

I was at the Seattle riots. Yes it went down as they described. They actually left alot out. Like the police sitting by and watching the whole thing go down. The young man that was killed was a block away from police officers. Face it guys this is a real problem. But yet we have so many others that these kind of things get swept under the rug.

You should have followed your own advice.

Oh, and you are most definitely racist.

Yeah Im a racist. Married to a black woman and half mixed kids. Kind of a paradox dont you think? Your one liners are more than pathetic.

I watched that through a few times and I can't make out a damn thing - the audio distortion gets pretty trippy sounding after a while, though.

It's impossible to tell what we were supposedly seeing in the clip.

Well that's proof of senseless violence.

And the assaulting parties do appear to be black although the ethnicity of the victim is unclear.

But what's your point? A single incident proves nothing except the temperment of the parties involved in that incident. I don't generalize white kids based on the incident in '87 when a pack of drunk punks tried to end my life. Or say SUV owners based on the one yuppie asshole who wanted to go to blows 2 years ago because I wouldn't back up into traffic so he could have a choice parking place. Such generalizations are pointless.

Blacks kill whites!
Whites kill blacks!
There are black racists
There are white racists

We know all this already :/

Black on white madness! Everybody dance!

http://www.popmatters.com/features/images/040706-mulatto.jpg

The people ... the other people ... they ... they just stood there ... stood there and watched ... and watched ... as the guy got beat up ... agh.

:( :( :(

I think I'm going to curl up and die now. Thanks.

One more reason to carry a concealed weapon. Then you can shoot anyone who tries to assault you. No matter what race/ethnicity they are. Its legal where I live, and we don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

The people ... the other people ... they ... they just stood there ... stood there and watched ... and watched ... as the guy got beat up ... agh.

:( :( :(

I think I'm going to curl up and die now. Thanks.
If you listen carefullly they don't even call 911 until long after the couple are gone, at the end of the clip.

Really this is more evidence of group apathy than anything else-it's not so much that they didn't do anything (though, that guy was HUGE), it's that they where so calm about it.

Black on white madness! Everybody dance!

http://www.popmatters.com/features/images/040706-mulatto.jpg

That made my day :D

If there's a fight with a black woman involved I'm staying at least a mile from it. Mind you I never lost a fight in my life, mainly because I know not to mess with a black woman. Even the slightest remark can set her off into a frenzy, destroying everything within a five block radius, also her underlings out of fear of her tyranny may assist her as so they won't get their asses kick later.

If a black woman threatens you in anyway either plead for your life, or run like hell. Pretty simple really...

Edit: I just watched it and all I'm going to say is I would've went to town on her fat ass boyfriend and then I would've knock her out just to shut her up. I'm almost ashamed how timid some people are just to stand there and take that kinda punishment.

Yeah Im a racist. Married to a black woman and half mixed kids. Kind of a paradox dont you think? Your one liners are more than pathetic.

Racism nowadays is making a negative comment about any person who may be of a different ethnicity or race than you.

One more reason to carry a concealed weapon. Then you can shoot anyone who tries to assault you. No matter what race/ethnicity they are. Its legal where I live, and we don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

That guy would have had no chance to use a firearm unless he pulled it out right at the start of the conflict before things got heated.

That guy would have had no chance to use a firearm unless he pulled it out right at the start of the conflict before things got heated.
And there would be just as much chance then that the big guy had a gun as well, and now something that merely sucked is fatal. Fantastic, that's much better....

Well wherever this came from I have to agree with the original poster. My question is why didnt anyone else jump up and try to stop this guy from getting beat? I know if I were there with my friends this wouldnt have gone down like this.

a)It's human nature to watch, bypassing positive intervention.

b)If the person had helped the white person, the helper would have been branded a racist. In terms of news reporting and resulting public perception, any helper would be better off helping the black person beat up the white person.

My main gripe these days (about people in general) is that poor manners and a general lack of courtesy seems prevalent.

There are just certain things that MUST be taught to children, like:

a)You do not cut in line
b)You say "thank you" when someone else does something for you
c)You say "please" when you want something someone else has or something they can do for you

simple things like that.

b)If the person had helped the white person, the helper would have been branded a racist.
yeah, no. No, they wouldn't.

yeah, no. No, they wouldn't.

Don't be so sure. News organizations are loathe to pin negative judgment on minorities, even if it is well warranted.

One more reason to carry a concealed weapon. Then you can shoot anyone who tries to assault you. No matter what race/ethnicity they are. Its legal where I live, and we don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
It's illegal where I live. I do it anyway. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

There are just certain things that MUST be taught to children, like:

a)You do not cut in line
b)You say "thank you" when someone else does something for you
c)You say "please" when you want something someone else has or something they can do for you

simple things like that.

I completely agree with you, it's almost unbelievable how many people have a complete lack of courtesy and most of the parents either ignore or encourage it. <sigh>

All those people standing around doing nothing. What a sad, sad world we live in. Oh well.

All that and they didn't get their pizza.

Yes. Notice the folk standing around were also black? I've watched this happen before in bars. I've seen whites defend blacks but not the other way around. I think blacks, at least American blacks, are more prone to violence than any other race in the U.S. Victim mentalities and such.

Racism nowadays is making a negative comment about any person who may be of a different ethnicity or race than you.Unless those comments are based on the persons race, I disagree with you. I can say Condoleeza Rice is a facist bitch for example and that, while certainly being a negative comment, is in no way racist.

If nothing else this thread does pose an interesting question: what would you have done?
I've not watched the video, i don't see any reason to, but i'd like to think i couldn't stand by while another man got beaten up. I try to avoid fights but i'm not afraid of them. A big, well built guy would probably kick my arse, but that'd be better than living with apathy.

Don't be so sure. News organizations are loathe to pin negative judgment on minorities, even if it is well warranted.
First-a scuffle in a pizza parlor is not man-bites dog. It would not make the news, and if it did it would be a blurb.

Second-the video clearly shows who the agressor is.

Third-Public reaction is not a fuse switch where x=y everytime.

Since ancedote rules the day in this thread, let me lay one out: On several occasions when I worked at a record store one of our employees, a shaved head punk rocker, would have to chase down minority (and cracker) shoplifters and tackle them in the parking lot. And yet, given the exagerated circumstances, the only ones who EVER noticed was us. Does this demonstrate that no one ever jumps to those conclusions? No, but it is not a lock by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who tells you different is selling you something.

Racism nowadays is making a negative comment about any person who may be of a different ethnicity or race than you.

How is Marrakech A racist? I have read through this whole post. All I see is postings backing up the original claim. Since when is it bad to point out a problem in society. Personally I think people get to carried away with labels. If the facts are out there that people from a certain race do certain things to others of different races. How is it by pointing out those facts as a problem considered racist. I mean black Americans talk about slavery. Does that label them a racist? For those that are quick to call racist need to stop flaming someone trying to make a point.

This is this sort of behavior that must be stopped before it gets grown out of preportion. We need to remember we'rr all Americans first.

Personally I think people get to carried away with labels. If the facts are out there that people from a certain race do certain things to others of different races.
Catch 22

This is this sort of behavior that must be stopped before it gets grown out of preportion. We need to remember we'rr all Americans first.


Well said. I will quote Rodney King for this one "Cant we all just get along?!"

Well said. I will quote Rodney King for this one "Cant we all just get along?!"
I thought that was Reginald Denny.

I'm getting sick of all the "I am Christian fundamentalist and proud racist" threads.

Would it be a coincidence if a white person attacked a black person? No, it'd be a hate crime.
If the ethnicity was reversed in that first link. It definately would be called a hate crime. Fass you got your self mixed up if you dont think so. Although you are from another country. Your perspectives are probably way off from an American point of view. First off your country is predominately white. So I dont take your opinion as valuable as someone from lets say Detroit or New York for that matter

I thought that was Reginald Denny.

Reginald Denny was the driver of the cement truck that got dragged out by a group of blacks.

I'm getting sick of all the "I am Christian fundamentalist and proud racist" threads.


Who said anything about Christian fundamentalist? Who said they were a proud racist? Maybe try reading through the thread first. Your no better than the other flamers on here calling people racist

the reason this all happened, is because the black woman cut in line of the man on the phone. all he said is that it may take longer to get the pizza. that is when this ensued.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/pizzafight.wmv

because whites never commit violence against blacks :rolleyes:

what is the difference?

I'm getting sick of all the "I am Christian fundamentalist and proud racist" threads.
Who said anything about Christian fundamentalist? Who said they were a proud racist? Maybe try reading through the thread first. Your no better than the other flamers on here calling people racist
Pffff, yeah Swimmingpool-don't go labeling him while he's labeling another group...what're you thinking........

Would it be a coincidence if a white person attacked a black person? No, it'd be a hate crime.

I can't tell from the audio if race had anything to do with this attack, or just a couple of fat people getting aggressive trying to get their pizza fix. Whichever, racism isn't exclusive to one or two races. It's a behavioral problem in all races. There are crimes of black on white, white on black, Christian on Muslim, Muslim on Jew, young on old, old on young (when one of us takes our vitamins and gets frisky ;) ) Asian on Hispanic....It doesn't matter what color skin you wear, if you hate someone for looking or thinking differently, you have a serious problem. If we could just stop and realize, we aren't Asian-American, African-American, Italian-American, Native American...we're all just plain American. Maybe in a few hundred years we will have mixed the races enough that folks can fuss over being light-American, brown-American, or even polka-dot American. Or, maybe, we will come to realize that at times we are our own worst enemy.

If you're not American, please apply as you deem appropriate.

Wow. Next we'll have proof how the Negro is an inferior being to the Great White Race. I love unbiased posters making unbiased points about completely nonsubjective topics!

Nah!...

Those of African descent, sometimes live under different conditions than the average 'white' male. I'm a hundred percent sure that their high death rate is due to the drug war, and the condition of being in a 'ghetto'. Although not all 'black' males are in those conditions, and many aren't dealing with those problems.

Being 'inferior' is subject to a particular standard, and many people or cultures can be deemed inferior to certain standards; although a race or color is very unlikely to indentify inferiority. Especially in a society like this.

im confused by this thread

did someone suggest that black people are never violent toward white people? that black on white crime doesnt exist?

yeah this does prove that sometimes black assholes assault white people over their place in the pizza line (the perpetrator was just sentenced to prison)

so whats the point?

Am I the only person thinking;

"I really gotta try a slice of that pizza, it really must be good!"

any violence is senseless. not many suffer from trama in war. except maybe the snipers who can't handle it. think about it. in the infantry the bullet is addressed "to whom it may concern" but the sniper's bullet is "YOU!" some can't handle that. the ones that can are the ones who realize that they must kill the enemies in order to save their brothers-in-arms.